Alternate Electoral Maps III

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by killertahu22, Jan 28, 2019.

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  1. Titanicus Very Well-Hated Member

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    Yeah, no, people still get to bitch because it's a victory by the EC not a victory by PV. Victory by EC is still stupid no matter by how much a margin.
     
  2. DrWalpurgis ha ha ha OH WELL

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    I am eternally amused by the concept that a bunch of business magnates and military leaders decided that the best possible leader of their anti-socialist coup was the most outspoken leftist in the Armed Forces.
     
  3. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    Unless if you had wanted Douglas to become President instead, under this scenario. Fortunately however, this didn't actually happen.
     
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  4. Titanicus Very Well-Hated Member

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    Still doesn't matter because Abraham Lincoln would have won by PV. Of course, if you take such an scenario where they all unite, yes, he loses. But did such circumstances exist? No.
     
  5. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    Yet managed to drag politics outside of Chat for the second time after being warned in the past.

    Kicked for a week
     
  6. Gentleman Biaggi Leader of the bisexual agenda

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    You could also argue Douglas took votes away from Lincoln he was only able to get by not having to appeal to the south like he’d have to if he was running on a unity ticket
     
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  7. mjwebb76 Well-Known Member

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    This is a topic that political theorists have debated for decades. Basically, the question is in a pairwise election was Lincoln the preferred candidate of a minority of voters in all cases. In other words, if there were only two candidates would all the non-Lincoln votes go to that other candidate. There were of course 4 candidates Lincoln, Breckenridge, Douglas and Bell. You are assuming that Douglas>Lincoln (and may be assuming that Breckenridge>Lincoln, Bell>Lincoln). That is in fact not necessarily accurate. In a very detailed and complex paper Tabarrok and Lee suggest that Lincoln would have beaten Breckenridge (even in the popular vote) but that it would have basically been close between Douglas, Lincoln and Bell (although they think Douglas probably would have won in a pairwise competition with Lincoln). https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5112/4f39f5ab264ef5d819bbde6b9b0db7b0c2ed.pdf

    The basic issue is that Breckenridge would only get votes in the South (albeit by a large majority) but the south is only a small fraction of the population. Bell was largely supported by former Whigs who were trying to elide the slavery issue. It is plausible that a number of these folks would have gone to Lincoln (who was after all a Whig) if a Douglas/Lincoln only election. The really interesting point is that Breckenridge was basically the person who ensure Lincoln's election despite the fact that he himself could not win in any possible set of scenarios.
     
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  8. CELTICEMPIRE Well-Known Member

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    Dewey defeats... Roosevelt!

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  9. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    It was not my intention to devise an alternate timeline, or to determine how the election would have gone if it had been a one-on-one race. All I was doing here was to create a map combining all of the anti-Lincoln votes under one ticket, to show the extent to which he was opposed by the South, and the critical role the Electoral College played in his victory. I didn't mean for it to be anything more elaborate or complex than that.
     
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  10. Fleetlord #AtvarDidNothingWrong

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    The problem with using PV totals for 1860 was that, IIRC Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in most of the Southern states. Not that he would've win them if he had, but perfectly democratic elections, these were not.
     
  11. Gentleman Biaggi Leader of the bisexual agenda

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    they’re also not democratic for the whole slavery part
     
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