Alternate Electoral Maps II

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  1. naraht Well-Known Member

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    Washington DC should certainly go for Trump then...
     
  2. kodak Has much to learn

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    It should, but only narrowly. DC’s population is 47% black, and white voters there are just as solid-D as them.
     
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  3. naraht Well-Known Member

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    Both *very* blue. But I think the blacks are even higher...:)
     
  4. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    alternate barra elections 544 A.C..PNG
     
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  5. Temeraire Well-Known Member

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    What election is this? Also, is this meant to be an AMS-style election similar to what's used in Scotland?
     
  6. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    It's a consolidated canton-commune election much like Corsica OTL, but with a Scotland-style electoral system. So yes, the Additional Member System is in effect.
    The Liberals got 47 of 93 seats and the independents who were elected were essentially former Liberals, so in the end they have a rock-solid majority.
    The Nationalists are essentially like CiU pre-2010, the Liberals are the traditional party of power in Barra, the Conservatives ultimately have a Northern base but limited support in South, and vice versa for Labour.
     
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  7. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    Another thing about the constituency map is that the regions on which the AMS system is based are conterminous with the House of Commons constituencies. The area covered by each Commons constituency each has 21 constituencies, and 10 AMS members are elected within each region.
    In the end the Liberals did well enough on constituency level they obviously didn't get any of the AMS seats, bar one seat in the North, where the traditionally Conservative city of Hamilton ended up disproportionately electing Conservatives, indirectly giving the Liberals one seat via the AMS system. And even then the Tories did so well in Downtown Hamilton, the Conservative vote was so intensely strong they still got more members in the NE region via the AMS system than the Liberals did (though that was also partly because the Liberals swept a lot of close rural constituencies in the hinterland areas - a 5% swing from the Liberals to the Conservatives in the North would have probably cost them their majority, even if you take into account Independents).
    Finally, the Nationalists did pretty poorly canton-wide, and their voting strength is extremely even throughout the canton. Their few constituency wins are probably attributable to them having strong, local incumbents who are good at retail politics. If it wasn't for the AMS system, they would have been reduced to single digits in terms of seats.
    I didn't actually calculate vote % because the intricacies of the AMS system confuse me. However, if I had to make a wild guess, it wouldn't be all that different from the Scottish 2011 Holyrood election in terms of vote share between the parties, with the Liberals taking the place of the SNP and the Nationalists taking the place of the Lib Dems, and Labour and the Tories switching places. (incidentally, just like the SNP in 2011, the Liberals got a narrow overall majority, outright, despite the electoral system making such a feat hard)
     
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  8. Temeraire Well-Known Member

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    What's confusing about it? Each voter has two separate votes: One for the constituency and for for the proportional region. They usually aren't too different, although smaller parties tend to do better proportionally than in constituencies. Generally, you'd be counting the proportional vote, or just show both the constituency and proportional vote canton-wide. I think the Scottish elections page already does this.
     
  9. Utgard96 basically a load of twaddle about freedom

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    Baden-Württemberg actually ignores that and calculates based on constituency vote, giving list seats to those failed candidates who came closest to being elected.
     
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  10. OwenM Red Tory Scum

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    The first bit is not an unpopular suggestion in Welsh Labour (though it's not that popular because it's not seen as going far enough).
     
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  11. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

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    huh, guess I was wrong.
    Is the form of AMS practiced in Wales any different?
     
  12. Temeraire Well-Known Member

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    Not from what I can tell. The only difference is that Wales has more FPTP to regional seats (40-20) than the Scots (73-56).
     
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    It seems the basic system used on that map isn't purely Scotland- or Wales-style then, it's got Germany blended in.
     
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    Does anyone know why AH.com was down?
     
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    Apparently server area.
     
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    The Seventh Party System: Part XXXXI
    Map of the United States
    Part I - Metropotamia
    Part II - Alta California
    Part III - North Carolina
    Part IV - New Jersey
    Part V - Adams
    Part VI - Alabama
    Part VII - Rhode Island
    Part VIII - Sequoyah
    Part IX - Assenisipia
    Part X - East Florida
    Part XI - Tennessee
    Part XII - Kansas
    Part XIII - Dakota
    Part XIV - Arizona
    Part XV - Delaware
    Part XVI - Oregon
    Part XVII - Ozark
    Part XVIII - New Hampshire
    Part XIX - Western Connecticut
    Part XX - New York
    Part XXI - Santo Domingo
    Part XXII - South Carolina
    Part XXIII - Baja California
    Part XXIV - Chersonesus
    Part XXV - Canal Zone Territory
    Part XXVI - West Florida
    Part XXVII - Missouri
    Part XXVIII - Colorado
    Part XXIX - Trinidad and Tobago
    Part XXX - Pennsylvania
    Part XXXI - Wisconsin
    Part XXXII - Lincoln
    Part XXXIII - Deseret
    Part XXXIV - Platte
    Part XXXV - Kiribati
    Part XXXVI - New Mexico
    Part XXXVII - Maine
    Part XXXVIII - Alaska
    Part XXXIX - Hamilton
    Part XXXX - Mississippi


    North Virginia is almost two states in one, Appalachia and Alexandria, each with their own unique, yet intertwined political system.

    The state was a creation of the American Civil War, formed out the loyalist counties which succeed from the Confederacy back into the United States. As such, even back then there existed two distinct regions of the state, the Western region with its rural coal mines and the Eastern region with its bustling trading ports. Of course back then, the West was far more populated than the East, and as such the state was dominated by whoever held coal country, switching hands between first the Republicans, then Labor, and finally the National Union party.

    Being under the control of Charlestown for over a century, the 1980s brought out a tremendous demographic shift as people began fleeing the Western hills for the Eastern suburbs, threatening to shift the balance of power to Arlington and Alexandria. Seeing the writing on the wall, the North Virginia Labor party took advantage of the Labor surge in 1994 surge to implement a system which they thought would keep them in the power, one state, two assemblies.

    Under this principle the state would be divided into two regions, Appalachia and Alexandria, which would each elect their own assemblies. These assemblies would have a fair amount of devolved powers, however their most important power would be the ability to call a vote of no confidence on the state government. If even one of the regional assemblies successfully passed a vote of no confidence by just a 50% majority then the state House would be dissolved and new elections would be called next year. With Appalachia under the iron grip of the Labor party, the party essentially ensured that no coalition could rule the state without their permission.

    In the Alexandrian Assembly Labor faced a steep uphill battle, however, with defections from both the left to the Greens and Black Panthers, as well as to the right by Hispanos Unidos. To combat this and ensure their continual supremacy the IRV bonus system was invented, with every voter getting two votes, one for their normal proportional representation seats, and a second vote where they could rank the parties. With this bonus giving the winner 30 additional seats, this winner was pretty much guaranteed to dominate the Assembly. And through constant propaganda and fear mongering about the heartless, austerity loving Republicans Labor always managed to get enough second and third preferences to come out ahead.

    While Labor would manage to dominate the North Virginian political system from 1994 to 2012, national movements would bring about the beginning of the end. This national movement was the historic agreement between Labor and the Progressives for a non-competition pact, marking a sharp turn to the left from the party normally conservative social outlook. This caused massive amounts of outrage among the Appalachian section of the Labor party, which split to form its own party, the Appalachian Labor party, which would be dedicated to both social conservative and the welfare state.

    With the Labor party proper now confined to Alexandria, immediate negotiations were held with the ALP to ensure that they would not call a vote of no confidence on the Labor government, demands which the ALP finally agreed to in return for increased coal subsidies.

    The second crack in the system would come in 2017, with a Democratic surge putting a right wing coalition which included Hispanos Unidos and Asian Action just barely over the threshold for forming a government. However with both the Alexandrian and Appalachian Assemblies being narrowly under Labor control the two chambers immediately passed a vote of no confidence, ending this right wing coalition just as they had done three times before in 2004, 2005, and 2008.

    However in this 2018 election voters were finally fed up with decades of corrupt Labor government which failed to listen to the will of the people. With a surge in support for both the Republicans and Democrats in Appalachia, and a switch of many Green voters second preferences from Labor to Republican the two assemblies were both captured by right wing governments.

    While the right wing coalition alone lacked the votes to pass through constitutional amendments with support from the left wing opposition the anti-Labor forces were able to get the two-thirds majority they needed in the House to pass an amendment forever revoking not only the assemblies powers over the House but also the widely criticized IRV bonus seats. With Labor's keys to power now irrevocably dismantled the future of North Virginia looks to be a right wing one.

    Government:
    Republican - The party of business they home turf is the suburbs of Alexandria. While second and third preference votes from the Greens and Hispanos Unidos had kept the party out of power in the assembly for decades the new amendment removing the IRV seats makes Republican domination of the region almost guaranteed.
    Democrats - A party which blends social conservatism, economic centrism, and full force racism into one potent mixture the party managed to win the best result ever in Appalachia this year, giving the right coalition the seats to oust the ALP from the assembly for the first time in its 24 year history.

    Supply:
    Asian Action - A centrist party of Asian Americans, they despise the Democrats too much to enter government, but are fed up enough with Labor to offer the right wing enough supply and confidence.
    Prohibition - Founded in 2012 as a right wing splinter of the Constitution party by Sheriff Lowell Fellure, the party has shot up in popularity for their hard stance on tackling the drug epidemic which is currently plaguing Appalachia. Despite the fact that many are unsettled by the rumors of how Fellure ran his county police force more like a death squad their votes were easy bought by the Republicans and Democrats in return for the creation of a multi-million dollar drug fighting task force, which is authorized to shoot first and ask questions later.

    Opposition:
    Appalachian Labor Party - A right wing splinter of the Labor dedicated to social conservatism and the coal industry they completely dominated Appalachia's assembly up until this year's election, and now have to contend with being in the opposition.
    Labor - The twin party to the ALP, their base is considerably more diverse and socially liberal, though not the extent of the Greens. Beholden to the interests of national labor unions, the party had become infamous in North Virginia for their corruption, but this year was the first one in which enough voters dared to rank the Republican above Labor.
    Greens - Often having to play the uneasy role as Labor's partner in both the Alexandrian assembly and the state House, the party was finally fed up with Labor and turned to the Republicans in this year's election. And while the party is applauding the Republicans' repeal of the IRV seats some of its members have begun to bring attention to the issue of the Prohibition, whose hardliner anti-drug stances have just been fully funded by the GOP.
    Hispanos Unidos - A party for centrists Hispanics, they gained a fair number of seats from those who were fed up with Labor and wanted a change, though Prohibition being a part of the government's supply was not exactly the change they had in mind.
    Black Panther Party - A party for black supremacists, they continued to gain strength in North Virginia just as they have in many other states, and their abstentions on the IRV vote contributed to Labor's historic loss.
    Constitution - The party of the religious right, they have been largely overshadowed by the much more radical Prohibition party but still hold some support among those who don't go as far as Sheriff Fellure.
    United Left - An alliance of far-leftists from democratic socialists to outright communists their seat in the North Virginian house is mainly due to the low thresholds which exist in the massive electoral district of Fairfax County.
    People's Justice Party - A party for Muslim Americans, they gained a seat for the first time in 2016 and have increased their vote share slightly in 2018 as the Labor party continues to bleed its ethnic voters.

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    Credit for the basemap goes to Chicxulub.
     
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    1960

    Stevenson's second term was one which was defined by dramatic conflict over civil rights. In September 1957, when nine black students attempted to enroll in the racially segregated Little Rock Central High School in Arkansas, the state Governor Orval Faubus deployed the National Guard to support the segregationist protestors in the state. Despite President Stevenson telling Faubus not to obstruct their entry under the Brown ruling, and the demands of the mayor of Little Rock for the National Guard to be used to defend the students, the result was a stalemate, and the government did little to prevent the hostility faced by the students even after the National Guard was taken out of the equation by Stevenson.

    The results of the matter were two things Stevenson actively distanced himself from- the Cooper V Aaron case, which declared the states are bound by the Supreme Court's laws and must enforce them, and the Civil Rights Act 1958. Both of these acts, despite persistent opposition from Southern Democrats on the latter, undermined segregation significantly, and Democratic divisions did not go unnoticed by voters, and neither did the recession striking the country around the time; the Republicans came agonizingly close to taking control of the House and Senate in the 1958 midterms.

    Sensing the 1960 election could be a huge opportunity, numerous senior Republicans ran for the nomination. The frontrunner was popular Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York, with other major players being more moderate candidates like Representative Richard Nixon of California and Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine, and the more conservative Governor Jim Rhodes of Ohio. Rockefeller championed his progressive record as Governor to appeal to Northern voters who had previously backed Stevenson for two terms but were disgusted by the Democrats' stance on civil rights, and picked Nixon as his running mate to try to unite the party's factions.

    Meanwhile, in the Democratic camp, the leading figure proved to be Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson of Texas, a senior moderate with strong credentials of compromise between both wings of the party. He overcame more liberal challengers such as Senator Stuart Symington of Missouri and Senator Hubert Humphrey of Minnesota, both of whom were seen as controversially liberal by rank-and-file Democrats in the South. To try and provide a good regional balance for the party, he made his running mate Senate Majority Whip Mike Mansfield of Montana, a protege of his who played well off of him on the campaign trail and kept many western liberal voters in the Democratic camp.

    To this end, Rockefeller went on the offensive, attacking the 'missile gap' with the Soviet Union, the fact the Democratic administration and Congress had overseen the fairly weak economy of recent years, and the poor response to the Sputnik crisis. Furthermore, he bolstered his liberal credentials by calling Martin Luther King while he was imprisoned in Georgia, a move which appealed significantly to voters concerned by civil rights. In the TV debates, he managed to overshadow the older and frailer-looking Johnson and appeared more dynamic, although radio listeners favoured Johnson.

    As the results came in, allegations of voter fraud from Mayor of Chicago Richard Daley called the result in Illinois into question, and this combined with the unusually strong projected Democratic results in the west and the close results in California and the Midwest led to Johnson initially being thought to have won. As the later returns came in, however, Rockefeller just inched him out.

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    Rockefeller/Nixon (Republican): 296 EVs, 48.7%
    Johnson/Mansfield (Democratic): 234 EVs, 48.6%

    The election was surprising in numerous respects. Utah flipped to back two different losing parties twice in a row, while Democratic margins in most of the South were hacked down substantially thanks to 'states' rights' tickets springing up in numerous states (almost winning in Mississippi, beating out Rockefeller in Louisiana and giving seven electoral votes, six from Alabama and one from Oklahoma, to segregationist Senator Harry Byrd of Virginia) and the Republicans, surprisingly, floundered in the West, with only California and Wyoming (both by very small margins) staying in their camp.

    Effectively, Rockefeller had won out by playing to the Democratic ticket's weaknesses- its muddled position on segregation and the 'insider' nature of Johnson and Mansfield's relationship. The Republicans also took the opportunity to narrowly take control of the Senate in the absence of its two major players, though the House stayed firmly Democratic. Rockefeller had inherited the nation at a difficult time, and the next four years would be some of the most eventful in modern politics.

    (I've been thinking about this TL a lot lately and wanted to return to it, so yeah.)
     
  20. killertahu22 I Hate Ronald Reagan

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    Oooooo do SV

    And make Stafford vote Democrat ;)
     
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