Alternate Electoral Maps II

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  1. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

    Apr 11, 2015
    DFW area, Texas (no, Tibecuador)
    it's rather ironic that a Southern Democrat losing the 1976 election helps Democrats hold on to the South more easily, doesn't it?
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  2. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    I agree. Another POD is that Ronald Reagan never becomes President in this timeline. Therefore, the Reagan Revolution does not take place, to the same extent that it did in OTL.

    This is actually the list of Presidents for the scenario that I came up with:

    38. 1974-1981: Gerald Ford (R-Michigan)
    39. 1981-1989: John Glenn (D-Ohio)
    40. 1989-1993: Bruce Babbitt (D-Arizona)
    41. 1993-2001: Richard Lugar (R-Indiana)
    42. 2001-2009: Al Gore (D-Tennessee)
    43. 2009-2013: Mitt Romney (R-Utah)
    44. 2013-2021: William C. Rutherford (D-Texas)
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  3. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

    Apr 11, 2015
    DFW area, Texas (no, Tibecuador)
  4. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
  5. Riley Uhr Muldoon did nothing wrong

    Jul 26, 2016
    Looks like Lupe Valadez got pretty slaughtered. It will be interesting to compare this with the actual results.
  6. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
    Yeah, I think she loses by about ~20%.
  7. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    This is a pretty good map. For the most part, your map of Colorado seems accurate as well, with some exceptions. Why do you have Polis winning Weld County? And it looks like you gave him Mineral County as well. Those counties should go Republican. Polis should definitely have a good shot at carrying Garfield County and Chaffee County though, and he will certainly win Pueblo, Los Animas, and Huerfano Counties, counties that Trump won over Clinton in 2016, and that Bennet carried over Glenn.
  8. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
    I think both Weld and Mineral will be very close, but since I think Polis will win by low double digits statewide, I gave him both.
  9. leecannon_ If I'm not posting I don't have serive/power/both.

    Dec 29, 2017
    South Carolina
    Is that a James Smith victory in Soyth Carolina? It looks very close
  10. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
    No, McMaster wins narrowly, I think.
  11. GermanDjinn did you commit crimes?? CALL THIS NUMBER!

    Nov 26, 2017

    No way Wagner's gonna get that much in PA, he's gonna get demolished espcially after that video of him threatening Wolf with stompng golf spikes into his head
  12. MoralisticCommunist Banned

    Sep 27, 2015
    The Seventh Party System: Part LIV
    Map of the United States
    Part I - Metropotamia
    Part II - Alta California
    Part III - North Carolina
    Part IV - New Jersey
    Part V - Adams
    Part VI - Alabama
    Part VII - Rhode Island
    Part VIII - Sequoyah
    Part IX - Assenisipia
    Part X - East Florida
    Part XI - Tennessee
    Part XII - Kansas
    Part XIII - Dakota
    Part XIV - Arizona
    Part XV - Delaware
    Part XVI - Oregon
    Part XVII - Ozark
    Part XVIII - New Hampshire
    Part XIX - Western Connecticut
    Part XX - New York
    Part XXI - Santo Domingo
    Part XXII - South Carolina
    Part XXIII - Baja California
    Part XXIV - Chersonesus
    Part XXV - Canal Zone Territory
    Part XXVI - West Florida
    Part XXVII - Missouri
    Part XXVIII - Colorado
    Part XXIX - Trinidad and Tobago
    Part XXX - Pennsylvania
    Part XXXI - Wisconsin
    Part XXXII - Lincoln
    Part XXXIII - Deseret
    Part XXXIV - Platte
    Part XXXV - Kiribati
    Part XXXVI - New Mexico
    Part XXXVII - Maine
    Part XXXVIII - Alaska
    Part XXXIX - Hamilton
    Part XXXX - Mississippi
    Part XXXXI - North Virginia
    Part XXXXII - Bioko
    Part XXXXIII - Hawaii
    Part XXXXIV - Louisiana
    Part XXXXV - Seward
    Part XXXXVI - Illinoia
    Part XXXXVII - Georgia
    Part XXXXVIII - Columbia
    Part XXXXIX - Maryland
    Part L - Texas
    Part LI - District of Columbia
    Part LII - Vermont
    Part LII - Yazoo

    Jefferson is the other state dominated by Libertarians besides their famous stronghold of Colorado, though ever since the Second Great Depression the Jeffersonian branch of the Libertarian has struggled to reach the levels of hegemony that the Coloradan Libertarian Party currently possesses.

    Back in the 1970s and 80s Jefferson was a state dominated by the Republicans as its state consisted of educated middle class whites. The Constitution also had a sizable hold over the outer fringes of the state, with the Progressives dominating the cities with their minority populations of Hispanics, Blacks, and Asians.

    However, the reign of Republican governor Richard Lamm would prove to the stake in the Republican's run of the state, with his controversial views that were vehemently opposed to immigration and multiculturalism turning off many Jeffersonians. The reign of Progressive governor Gail Schoettler would prove just as controversial, with her excessive spending proving far too much for the middle class residents of Jefferson. As such, with voters turned off by both xenophobic parties as well as fiscally left wing parties, the only option remained that of a party which was on the rise in much of the Mountain states, the Libertarian party.

    First winning a plurality in 1988, the Libertarians would continue to grow in strength throughout the 1990s and 2000s, to the point where their dominance over the state almost rivaled that of Colorado. Promoting both immigration and ease of business Jefferson experienced continual growth over these two decades, which seemed to confirm the success of the Libertarians' laissez-faire policies.

    Yet this continual growth had its limits, with the Great Depression collapsing the state's economy putting hundreds of thousands of Jeffersonians out of work. With the Libertarian refusing to implement any sort of welfare programs the Progressive government was swept into victory in 2010, as the Libertarian went from the hegemonic ruling party to a tiny minority in the House overnight. However the Progressives soon found they had trouble financing their welfare plans, due to the existence of Jefferson's Taxpayer's Bill of Rights which required a two thirds majority in both houses of the legislature to raise any sort of taxes. And with the Libertarians still have a fair amount of seats in the FPTP Senate, though still a minority, the Progressives' efforts to raise taxes were continually blocked.

    As a result, the state government of Jefferson ended up defaulting on their loans in 2013, putting the Progressives' attempt at welfare programs to a halt and making the Libertarians seem like the only party which could govern the state successfully, leading to their victory in 2014. However since the Libertarian government still needed to gather revenue to pay off the debts incurred during the Progressive era, the Jeffersonian state government took two unprecedented steps, selling off all of their state parks and starting a joint research contract with the East Asian Prosperity Sphere on nuclear reactions. While those on the left protested the selling of Jefferson's state parks and those on the right protested letting the East Asian government into the state's abandoned uranium mines the two ventures, especially the latter, proved themselves to be extremely profitable, enabling the government of Jefferson to pay off all their debts and even have some left over to repair the state's aging infrastructure.

    Now in 2018 the Libertarian party has once again won a typical victory by a landslide in the Senate, and with a strong plurality in the House, which seems to be business as usual. However, just days after the election a damning article came out the Denver Businessweek which accused the Libertarian government's "joint research contract" with the East Asian Prosperity Sphere, of in fact being nothing more than money laundering for what the state's government was truly selling, access to federal military bases. In exchange for billions upon billions of dollars the Jeffersonian government, in collaboration with several microchip manufacturers, installed spyware chips on motherboards destined for US military bases located in Jefferson, foremost among them being NORAD's headquarters.

    The Libertarian Party of Jefferson has unequivocally denied such claims and the federal government has refused to comment on the matter until further investigation. However the fact that NORAD's HQ has seemingly gone dark ever since the article came out suggests that there may be merits to these accusations of treason and espionage.

    Libertarian - The natural governing party of Jefferson ever since the 1990s, they are the second strongest branch of the Libertarian party next to the Libertarian Party of Colorado. Emphasizing their position of no taxation, sparse regulations, socially liberal policies, and liberal immigration laws, the Front Range has become a booming paradise for business, especially among those who view Las Vegas as too lawless and full of drug traffickers. However, if these recent accusations against the Libertarian Party of Jefferson are to be believed, then it seems as though this branch of the Libertarian party has also been involved in rather shady business.

    Republican - The center right party of Jefferson, they represent not only those conservatives who believe the Libertarians' policy of absolutely zero taxation is a bit extreme, but also those mildly social conservatives who take issue with the Libertarian governments' liberal approach to LGBT rights, immigration issues, and drug legalization. Nevertheless, in the House they are pretty much forced to provide supply to the Libertarians, as the last time they tried to support a Progressive government their party lost more than 75% of their seats as many of their conservative voters accused the GOP of being Republicans In Name Only.

    Progressive - The main left wing opposition in Jefferson, as in most Western states, they have been far more successful in Jefferson than in the other Libertarian state of Colorado, as they actually managed to form a government from 2010 to 2014. Nevertheless, this government was still a very broad coalition, involving the Greens and Hispanos Unidos in 2010 and even involving the Republicans as well in 2012. However this coalition collapsed spectacularly in the 2014 election, after the Jeffersonian state government defaulted on their loans in 2013. Nevertheless, the party still has a large base of ethnic minorities, as well as the working class in general.
    Greens - The other left wing party in Jefferson, they have nearly identical social policies to the Progressives, however economically are much closer to the center. As such, they are very popular among middle and upper class college students and yuppies. Their strongholds are concentrated among the skiing towns of west central Jefferson, whose inhabitants are acutely aware of how the ski slopes have received less and less snow every year.
    Constitution - The far right party for social conservatives, they believe in the rule of Christ above all else. Unlike the Republicans who begrudgingly support the Libertarians, the Constitutionists vehemently oppose the Libertarian party for their support of socially liberal policies, and whenever the Libertarian Party legalizes some new drug droves of Constitutionists show up to protest in Jefferson Springs.
    Hispanos Unidos - The party for centrist Hispanics who dislike the social liberalism and anti-business attitudes of the Progressives, with 21.5% of the Jeffersonian population being Hispanic they have plenty of potential supporters. Nevertheless, they have to compete for these voters with both the Progressives on the left as well as the Libertarians on the right, so they are not as powerful as the mere demographics might suggest. However among older Hispanics, who tend to be more socially conservative and economically conservative, they have found a base of voters who they can rely on.


    Credit for the basemap goes to Chicxulub.
  13. Michigan Mapper Well-Known Member

    Jul 21, 2017
    Just wondering, why would Ingham County go red? It has Lansing, which makes it one of the most left-leaning counties in the state.
  14. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
    Yeah, I made a couple mistakes with this map since I just made it quickly without any reference points. Most states are still accurate imo though.
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  15. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
    I have Wagner losing by double digits. Wolf gets huge margins out of the Philly suburbs + Pittsburgh but narrowly loses several counties in Western PA.
  16. GermanDjinn did you commit crimes?? CALL THIS NUMBER!

    Nov 26, 2017
    Having Fetterman on the ticket is gonna help him in those western vounties where it's gonna be close, Fettermen is very popular in the western part of the state
  17. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2017
    Colorado Springs, Colorado
    And for those interested, here is some statistical information for the New Rutherford Scenario (which can also be found here:,_2016_(Alternate_Version)#Results_by_state. That link also contains more detailed statistical tables that will not be reproduced here, for the sake of length and relevance):

    Here is the state by state map, reproduced for convenience:

    And here are the state by state results, which have not been posted here previously:​

    AL-47.55 (1,009,663) 52.45 (1,113,708) LEACH
    AK-65.91 (209,995) 34.09 (108,613) RUTHERFORD
    AZ-51.15 (1,316,174) 48.85 (1,256,991) RUTHERFORD
    AR-56.06 (633,833) 43.41 (490,808) RUTHERFORD
    CA-66.95 (9,494,578) 33.05 (4,687,017) RUTHERFORD
    CO-65.68 (1,826,066) 34.32 (954,181) RUTHERFORD
    CT-67.81 (1,115,420) 32.09 (527,855) RUTHERFORD
    DC-92.46 (287,798) 6.53 (20,326) RUTHERFORD
    DE-69.50 (308,451) 30.50 (135,263) RUTHERFORD
    FL-56.51 (5,323,264) 43.48 (4,095,833) RUTHERFORD

    GA-58.20 (2,394,774) 41.80 (1,719,958) RUTHERFORD
    HI-78.76 (337,831) 21.24 (91,106) RUTHERFORD
    ID-50.92 (351,478) 49.08 (338,777) RUTHERFORD
    IL-65.07 (3,602,551) 34.93 (1,933,873) RUTHERFORD
    IN-55.98 (1,531,029) 43.56 (1,191,348) RUTHERFORD
    IA-62.66 (981,275) 37.26 (583,503) RUTHERFORD
    KS-54.09 (640,643) 45.06 (533,692) RUTHERFORD
    KY-64.01 (1,231,648) 35.65 (685,959) RUTHERFORD
    LA-56.11 (1,138,490) 43.89 (890,542) RUTHERFORD
    ME-68.80 (514,574) 31.14 (232,904) RUTHERFORD
    MD-65.47 (1,821,013) 34.53 (960,433) RUTHERFORD
    MA-76.19 (2,533,353) 23.44 (779,391) RUTHERFORD
    MI-66.70 (3,201,122) 33.10 (1,588,563) RUTHERFORD
    MN-65.23 (1,920,902) 33.12 (975,322)
    MS-40.56 (490,515) 59.44 (718,842) LEACH
    MO-64.05 (1,798,912) 35.95 (1,001,268) RUTHERFORD
    MT-58.95 (293,068) 40.57 (201,693) RUTHERFORD
    NE-52.61 (441,148) 47.39 (400,079) RUTHERFORD
    NV-58.58 (659,251) 41.42 (466,134) RUTHERFORD
    NH-66.08 (491,831) 33.59 (250,009) RUTHERFORD
    NJ-65.61 (2,541,762) 33.86 (1,311,752) RUTHERFORD
    NM-68.82 (549,403) 31.18 (248,916) RUTHERFORD
    NY-68.56 (5,293,828) 31.31 (2,417,587) RUTHERFORD
    NC-56.15 (2,662,388) 43.85 (2,079,176) RUTHERFORD
    ND-57.97 (199,625) 41.88 (142,217) RUTHERFORD
    OH-62.94 (3,459,489) 37.06 (2,036,998) RUTHERFORD
    OK-55.75 (810,043) 44.25 (642,949) RUTHERFORD
    OR-63.72 (1,275,251) 35.96 (719,680) RUTHERFORD
    PA-64.92 (4,002,628) 34.70 (2,139,421) RUTHERFORD
    RI-80.87 (375,353) 19.13 (88,790) RUTHERFORD
    SC-56.17 (1,181,270) 43.13 (907,036) RUTHERFORD
    SD-55.61 (205,809) 44.39 (164,284) RUTHERFORD
    TN-55.50 (1,391,955) 44.49 (1,115,821) RUTHERFORD
    TX-63.32 (5,679,314) 36.49 (3,272,871) RUTHERFORD
    UT-54.86 (620,702) 45.14 (510,728) RUTHERFORD
    VT-72.22 (227,541) 27.78 (87,526) RUTHERFORD
    VA-53.54 (2,133,371) 46.18 (1,840,103) RUTHERFORD
    WA-62.63 (2,077,449) 37.37 (1,239,570) RUTHERFORD
    WV-67.94 (485,379) 32.06 (229,044) RUTHERFORD
    WI-62.09 (1,847,892) 37.74 (1,123,199) RUTHERFORD
    WY-56.56 (144,708) 43.44 (111,141) RUTHERFORD



    62.22-85,065,810 37.58-51,362,803 0.18-251,447 33,703,007 24.66


    1. Rhode Island-80.87 1. Mississippi-59.44
    2. Hawaii-78.76 2. Alabama-52.45
    3. Massachusetts-76.19 3. Idaho-49.08
    4. Vermont-72.22 4. Arizona-48.85
    5. Delaware-69.50 5. Nebraska-47.39
    6. New Mexico-68.82 6. Virginia-46.18
    7. Maine-68.80 7. Utah-45.14
    8. New York-68.56 8. Kansas-45.06
    9. West Virginia-67.94 9. Tennessee-44.49
    10. Connecticut-67.81 10. South Dakota-44.39

    Of the 106 largest cities in the United States, Leach won 9/106:

    1. Jacksonville
    2. Mesa
    3. Tulsa
    4. Scottsdale
    5. Glendale
    6. Gilbert
    7. Boise
    8. Birmingham
    9. Montgomery

    Rutherford carried the remaining 97.

    Leach also won Mobile, Knoxville, Chattanooga, Jefferson City, Pierre, Overland Park, Greenville.

    Congressional districts:
    -397 (91%)
    LEACH-38 (9%)

    RUTHERFORD-2,571 (82%)
    LEACH-573 (18%)

    Vote by Demographic (Exit Polls):

    Non-College Educated Whites: 58-42% Democratic
    College-Educated Whites: 52-48% Democratic
    Non-College Educated Nonwhites: 84-16% Democratic
    College-Educated Nonwhites: 79-21% Democratic
    White Women: 57-43% Democratic
    White Men: 53-47% Democratic
    All Whites: 55-45% Democratic
    African Americans: 94-6% Democratic
    Hispanics: 73-27% Democratic
    Asians: 71-29% Democratic
    Others: 60-40% Democratic

    Vote by Region:

    East 70 30
    Midwest 65 35
    South 59 41
    West 64 36​
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2018
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  18. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

    Apr 11, 2015
    DFW area, Texas (no, Tibecuador)
  19. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

    Jan 29, 2017
    Jamaica (I Wish)
  20. TimTurner Cartoon Phanatic

    Apr 11, 2015
    DFW area, Texas (no, Tibecuador)
    which states does he lose?
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