Alternate Electoral Maps II

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  1. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    They did, and I think that I had Bill Clinton's Presidency in the 1990s turn out differently, leading to the present partisan alignment. And you of course, are aware of my prior scenario, where Holland wins a massive landslide reelection against a Steve King-like Republican. Mississippi, which Tex Arkana depicts as going >60% Republican in the first election, was the only holdout the next time around; that makes sense. And the relative closeness of Idaho and Wyoming does as well, since Tex Arkana depicts them as >60% states here also. 17 states flip between the two elections.

    But I'm also trying to guess what the vote by racial demographic would look like here. I think it would probably be similar to California last year, where Clinton won whites 50-45, blacks 88-9, Hispanics 71-24, and Asians 70-17. Does this sound reasonable?
     
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  2. killertahu22 I Hate Ronald Reagan

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    Yeah it does

    And I’m not trying to sound rude with what I’m about to say, because I personally don’t know anything about demographics

    But do you make these maps and then just ask us what happened?
     
  3. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    That is my usual practice. It's because I, like you, am not an expert in all things relating to demographics, voting patterns, etc. There's a lot of things with these scenarios that I try to figure out, and I ask people with more knowledge about such things, so that those scenarios can be plausible, and not without reason or evidence. I also like to see how people speculate about certain things, and how these guesses compare. American presidential elections have been a recent fascination of mines.
     
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  4. killertahu22 I Hate Ronald Reagan

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    Same to the tee actually
     
  5. DPKdebator Hmm...

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    How does Holland lose Strafford County, New Hampshire but win the state as a whole? If Strafford is red, that means New Hampshire voted Republican by at least 5% and the GOP is probably winning every county besides Grafton and maybe Cheshire.
     
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  6. killertahu22 I Hate Ronald Reagan

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    Even in a landslide the democrat can’t win stafford ):
     
  7. Tex Arkana Spice for President!

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    King County, Texas, which Trump won with over 95% of the vote, goes Democratic while Strafford County, NH goes Republican... that's a bit interesting.
     
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    Keep in mind that this is an alternate timeline, so partisan alignments are not the same.
     
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    1992:

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    Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic) - 41.2% - 448 EVs
    George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle (Republican) - 35.1% - 77 EVs
    Ross Perot/James Stockdale (Independent) - 22.5% - 13 EVs

    In July, Perot considered dropping out of the race due to multiple reasons, but he didn't in the end. Polls would show him losing support. By November, he was just at 23%. This didn't stop him from winning 13 electoral votes though. He managed to keep his lead in Kansas, Alaska, and Maine. He came in second in Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming. Due to vote splitting, Clinton wins the electoral college in a landslide.

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    Bill Clinton/Al Gore (Democratic) - 38.1% - 358 EVs
    Bob Dole/Jack Kemp (Republican) - 35.2% - 157 EVs
    Richard Lamm/Lowell Weicker (Reform) - 24.9% - 23 EVs

    Clinton won again, but this time with a much stronger opposition.

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    George W. Bush/Dick Cheney (Republican) - 34.1% - 246 EVs
    Al Gore/Joe Lieberman (Democratic) - 34.7% - 245 EVs
    Donald Trump/Jesse Ventura (Reform) - 28.1% - 47 EVs

    The electoral vote count was just as narrow as the popular vote. Thankfully for the Republicans, they had the majority in the House and Senate and were able to chose Bush and Cheney despite protests.
     
  10. X_X Well-Known Member

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    Hillary Clinton wins in 2016 leading to a red wave in 2018. Some of the hardest losses for the Democrats come from Senators Amy Klobuchar and Martin Heinrich, both considered rising stars, losing their seats.


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  11. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    Interesting concept. I would like to see more of these.
     
  12. Caprice Psephologising since 2011

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    The Nevada Abomination
    First United States Congress


    When the United States Constitution was ratified in 1788, the various legislatures of the eleven states that had so far ratified realized that it was time to elect members of Congress. The Constitution had bodged together some representative numbers in advance of the first Census of 1790, followed by the provision that would later be colloquially known as "the Nevada Abomination." However, this would not take effect until the 3rd Congress, so the framers of the Constitution had to improvise for the time being.

    Two major factions arose regarding the Constitution. The Cosmopolitans generally supported the Constitution and a more federalized government, while the Localists preferred the Articles of Confederation, which had been more of an association of states. There was little-to-no Localist presence in the four New England states, New Jersey, and most of Delaware. New Jersey had a strong independent contingent, however, that would manage to get a representative elected in 1789. New Hampshire, notably, had the Administration party, whose entire reason of existence was to vote with whoever was in charge. They also elected a single representative in 1788.

    Massachusetts, New York, Virginia, and both Carolinas used a district system. The other eight states either had just one representative each or couldn't be bothered. Notably for the time, these states did not elect their representatives via block vote like in the United Kingdom at the time. Instead, they used a system in which slates of representatives would be split based on how much they each got in the election. A textbook example of this is in Pennsylvania, where each slate managed to get four representatives elected.

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    Here's the start of a TL I've been thinking of, starting with Presidential elections and branching out to the rest of elected governments. Basically, it'll consist of various forms of messing around with OTL returns. This includes, but is not limited to, STV, PPV, and the aforementioned Nevada Abomination. Some of you may know what it is and why I call it thus. :p
     
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    That's not quite the Nevada Abomination, but that definitely comes up later on.
     
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    While the national branches of the Democratic party and the Social Credit party have no alliance whatsoever they share a large number of ideological similarities, so much that Labor has famously nicknamed Social Credit as the "Democrats of the North." In some states such as New Jersey, and mostly recently Pennsylvania, the two parties have in fact formed an alliance which has lead to victory in both cases, leaving both Labor and the Republicans fearful of a national alliance. However both the Democratic and Social Credit leaders are proud of their independence and with the Democratic party itself being rife with factionalism such a large merger of the Democratic and Social Credit parties it nothing but a pipe dream for members of these two nativist parties.

    Democratic Party - The party of the South and social conservatism they also have sizable state branches in the Midwest, Mid-Atlantic, Southwest, and even Alaska. The oldest of the big three parties they were founded after the Democratic-Republican party of the 1800s split up into the reformist Whigs and conservative Democrats. After the rise of the Republicans the party kept their social conservative but started to lean left economically, seeking to oppose the laissez-faire policies of the GOP. While the rise of Labor and Populists had most of the party lurched back to the center in the early 1900s following the Great Depression the party once again shifted to the left and joined the National Union party with Labor and the Populists against the Republicans. While most Southern states kept their state branches of the Democratic party on a national level the Democrats were but a part of the National Union coalition.

    Then, everything changed when LBJ attacked. In 1964 President Lyndon B. Johnson, fed up with the Mormons refusal to obey federal court orders marched the US Army into Deseret and declared the entire state indefinitely under martial law. Seeing this invasion as a blatant violation of state's rights many Democratic leaders began fear that the South might next as LBJ was becoming more and more sympathetic to Martin Luther King Jr.'s cause everyday. As such negotiations with the Republicans to start a Conservative party began behind close in absolute secrecy. The necessity for the formation of an anti-National Union party hastened when LBJ managed to get the Civil Rights Act passed in 1967 by a such a slim majority that the Vice President had to brought in to break a 50-50 tie in the Senate. Despite the launching of a State's Rights party by Strom Thurmond in the 1968 Presidential Election a lack of unity among the right, not to mention the countless splinters among the anti-war left, meant that LBJ just barely got a majority in the Electoral College, though the National Union party lost its majority in both houses of Congress for the first time since the beginning of their reign in 1932.

    Finally in 1972, with their perfect candidate Richard Nixon, the Conservative party was launched as a merger of the Democratic and Republican parties. Sweeping into power with a two thirds majority in both houses of Congress the Conservative Revolution had begun. However this revolution took a sour turn when both Nixon and then Spiro Agnew where impeached from the Presidency, tainting the image of the Republican among most conservatives. This sparked the ambition of Senate Majority Leader George Wallace, who plotted a coup to put the Democrats in total control of the Conservative party to ensure the survival of segregation forever. Thus in 1976 the Democratic Coup would take place, wherein Wallace would purge the Conservative party of all Republicans the day after the election, impeaching President Rockefeller and taking his place. While backdoor bribes meant that most Republicans defected to Wallace the ones who did resist were ruthless attacked by Ethics Committees which arrested dozens of Republicans on trumped up charges, resulting in the Democrats seizing two thirds of the House and the Senate. Thus a second wave of amendments passed in a flurry through Congress and the state legislatures, this time keen on devolving as much power as possible to the states at the expense of the Federal Government.

    However when Wallace was voted out by a joint Labor-Republican coalition the Democrats would shrink back to their Southern core and lose all of their support to Republicans in Western and Northern states. Fiercely supportive of states' rights to this day the modern Democratic party is heavily divided by internal factions which hampered their vote share until the Nationalist surge started in 2016.
    • Wallacites are the largest faction of the Democrats and forms the core of the party. Lead by the ideals of George Wallace the party has since given up its hopes for a "Thousand Years of Segregation" but remains committed to suppressing civil rights wherever it can. Economically the Wallacites are committed to welfare, just so long as it goes only to the whites and not the blacks, browns, yellows, or worse of all, socialist labor unions. Socially the party is extremely socially conservative, fervently denying the validity of abortion, gay marriage, and women's rights. Lastly on diplomacy the party tends to favor war, however they are less hawkish than Labor or the Haigites and supported the Republicans in their ending of the UAR war.
    • Longites are the second largest faction of the Democratic and form the main left wing camp of the party. Committed to the principle of "every man a King" they support increasing taxes on the rich to give to the poor, while at the same time denouncing socialism as a product of the Devil. With their main base of support coming from Louisiana and Appalachia the party holds up the Democratic standard position on global warming, that is to deny its very existence. The party is also just as committed as the Wallacites on the issue of segregation and social issues, however they are slightly more moderate when it comes to foreign policy.
    • Haigites are the third largest faction of the Democratic party and was founded in 1979 by Alexander Haig, a Pennsylvanian Democrat who thought that excessive states' rights would impede American efforts to combat communism and the Asian threat. Nearly being expelled from the Democratic party Wallace's fall from power would prevent such a scenario and enabled Haig to continue gaining power within the Democratic party. Through Haig's efforts the Pennsylvania Democratic party stayed steadily while those of other northern states would fall into shambles. Often thought of as a right wing opposition to Wallacite power their caucus continues to push for jingoism abroad and national unity above all else. At the same time, however, the party still follows the main line in regards to economics and social issues, believing that the Labor party betrays "white America."
    • Pact of Christ is the fourth largest faction and one of the most religiously fervent, believing in the rule of God over the Constitution. Composed of an alliance of extreme social conservatives of all races, their current chairman Ben Carson has drawn the ire of the Wallacites and Longites who think that a black Democrat is an oxymoron. Despite this antagonism the faction remains a part of the Democrats in opposition to the Constitution, which they detest for their support of laissez-faire. The Pact of Christ also holds the Democratic line on environmental and diplomatic issues which has put them in conflict with Haigites for control of Maryland's Democratic party time and time again.
    • Almaites make up the most contradictory of all Democratic factions. Their beliefs are derived from those of Alma Bridwell White, a feminist who persecuted blacks, Catholics, and Jews. As such the modern day faction remains feminist and pro-choice, leading the Pact of Christ to call them leftists in disguise. And at the same time their belief that Catholics are all puppets of the Pope has made many Catholic Haigites call them far right religious extremists. The Almaites have also been denounced as a cult by a variety of churches affiliated with the Constitution party, who say that the Almaite tradition of "Holy Rolling" is nothing less than satanic behavior. Yet the faction has recently gained in popularity in Arizona and Baja California as Hispanophobia continues to grow among the border states. And with the faction often defaulting to the Wallacite line on economics and foreign policy they have remained a tolerated, yet secretly disdained part of the Democratic party.
    • Nullifiers are one of the smaller Democratic factions, based primarily in South Carolina. They are also the oldest surviving ideological strand of the Democratic party, still believing in state's right to nullify federal law and wishing to abandon the Constitution entirely for new Articles of Confederation. Nevertheless, besides the crazy speeches about how "South Carolina will rise again" their actual policies follow those of the Wallacites to a T, which is the main reason why they still are accepted by the rest of the Democratic factions.
    • Conservation is the more left wing of all Democratic factions, being the only one to believe in the existence of climate change. Conservationists also believe in peace with blacks, much like the Pact of Christ, which has lead many to call them Democrats In Name Only. However their continued belief that homosexuality is "not just another normal optional life style" and that abortion is "the taking of human life" has meant that most on the center-left have written off Ralph Gore and Al Bredesen as green conservatives. Conservation also still upholds the standard platform on economics and foreign policy, and as such the Longites, Haigites, as well as moderate Wallacites have continued to vote down any attempts to oust this faction from the Democratic party.
    • Contract Concord are the smallest faction of the Democratic party, concentrated around the state of Kentucky. Founded by Newt Paul in 1994, they saw the long reign of Republicans during the 1980s as a sign that the Democrats needed to drop their old welfare policies and adopt neoliberal ones instead. Of course Newt Paul was proven utterly wrong in that year's elections as Labor won itself an incredible majority in both the House and the Senate. Nevertheless the Kentucky Democratic Party, through its eternal alliance with the Kentucky Republican Party, has continued to uphold the tenets of Newt Paul and with Labor's failure to fix the Second Great Depression Republican-esque policies are becoming acceptable once again. Nevertheless the party still is at odds with the Republicans on many issues as it upholds socially conservatism and foreign militarism, and has managed to remain acceptable to the Wallacite leaders.

    Social Credit - A party founded on an economic policy long since written off both most Americans, they have managed to explode in popularity following the Second Great Depression as a socially conservative alternative to an increasingly socially liberal Labor party. Based on a triple call to end free trade, end all wars, and end all immigration they have appealed to the older white working class which Labor has left behind. While they have merged with the Democrats into a Nationalist Alliance in Pennsylvania and New Jersey in most other states they remain bitterly opposed to the Democratic party. The main points of antagonism between the two parties is Social Credit's undying support for pacifism and labor unions, which most Democrats are firmly opposed to. The National Democratic Party has also recently called out the National Social Credit Party for their Chersonesus experiment, which they deem to be "socialism-lite." All those differences aside, on racial issues the two parties remain united against the multiculturalism of the Labor coalition and also remain committed to religious and socially conservative values over all else.

    Democratic Affiliates - There are two single state parties which the Democratic party is affiliated with, both of them joint ventures with the Republican party. In Delaware this party is succinctly named the Democratic Republican party, which is a center right party formed in opposition to the hegemony of the center-left Whig-Labor. In Hawaii there exists the Christian Republican Union, which serves as a center right, socially conservative party that opposes Hawaiian Independence while still agreeing with the Good Sunday Agreement.

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    Credit for the basemap goes to Chicxulub.
     
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    Wyoming Rule plus incredibly unpopulated state?
     
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    Yep! Nevada, specifically.
     
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    Firstly, WOW, secondly, thank you so very much, and thirdly, Who is the Democratic affiliate in Hawaii
     
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    The first part of a UK-as-USA scenario, with the results of the British presidential election of 2016 (a huge upset, based on the OTL Brexit vote)
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