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(originally in “pods:non-historical pods”, originally started by “jolo”)

Points of Divergence : Non-historical PODs

Description

Most PoDs focus on events as they happened (the more spectacular the event, the more people tend to think about alternative outcomes). But there are quite a few times where history could have taken completely different turns more or less “out of the blue”. Wars could have started much earlier or later, technologies could have developed completely differently, and so on. Most wars and other developments started from rather minor events. Such events could have happened at any time.

PoDs
  • Earlier WWI due to Morocco crisis, against Russia in 1905, or at any other time.
  • WWII started not by Germany (in Europe), but by another country - Germany trying to unite with Austria in 1934 and Italy intervening, Britain trying to stop communist Russia from liberating her colonies, and so on.
  • A Later American Civil War, usualy by giving more concessions to the South.
  • A Earlier American Civil War, some “sparking points” are often the South Carolina Nullification Crisis of 1832, or the Compromise of 1850 falling though.

(originally in “alternate history:alternate political leaders”, originally started by “Akiyama”)

Alternate Political Leaders

United States

Presidential elections are held every four years.

2004

OTL result
50.7% - George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (R)
48.3% - John Kerry and John Edwards (D)
1.0% - all others

Possible Democrat candidates
Most likely: John Kerry (OTL candidate), Howard Dean, John Edwards, Al Gore
Less likely: Joe Biden, Carol Braun, Wesley Clark, Dick Gephardt, Bob Graham, Gary Hart, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Lieberman, Al Sharpton

Japan

The Japanese political system is similar to that of the United Kingdom. The leader of the largest party in the House of Representatives serves as Prime Minister. The monarch, advised by the Prime Minister, decides when elections are held; generally every four years. The electoral system is a mixture in which single member constituencies are elected by a first-past-the-post system and multi-member constituencies by proportional representation.

Since 1955, when the American occupation ended, the centre-right Liberal Democrats have won almost every election. Check out their cool logo! *link

Statistics are from Psephos. *link
The percentages are averages, taken by multiplying the percentage vote for each type of seat by the number of that type of seat, and then dividing the total by the total number of seats.

2001 Liberal Democrat leadership election

Yoshiro Mori, the Prime Minister, was one of Japan's most unpopular and incompetent prime ministers. He resigned in 2001. The subsequent leadership contest was contested by the former PM Ryutaro Hashimoto and the charismatic maverick Junichiro Koizumi. Mr Koizumi won.

2003 general election

40.7% - Liberal Democrats - Junichiro Kiozumi (237 seats)
37.0% - Democrats - Naoto Kan (177 seats)
6.4% - Komeito (34 seats)
8.0% - Communists (9 seats)
7.9% - all others (23 seats)

2005 general election

44.3% - Liberal Democrats - Junichiro Koizumi (296 seats)
34.4% - Democrats - Katsuya Okada (113 seats)
5.9% - Komeito (31 seats)
7.2% - Communists (9 seats)
8.2% - all others (31 seats)

2006 Liberal Democrat leadership election

Junichiro Koizumi's five-year term as party leader ended in 2006 and he decided not to stand in the next leadership contest. The candidates were Shinzo Abe, Taro Aso and Sadakazu Tanigaki. Yasuo Fukuda, a possible contender, decided not to run. Shinzo Abe, Mr Koizumi's favoured successor, was the winner.

United Kingdom

In the United Kingdom the leader of the largest party in the House of Commons becomes Prime Minister. The monarch, advised by the Prime Minister, decides when general elections are held; generally every four or five years. The first-past-the-post electoral system means a small majority in the percentage of votes can translate into a large majority in the number of seats in the House of Commons.

2001 general election

Labour under Tony Blair was seen as having done a good job of running the country.

40.7% - Labour - Tony Blair (412)
31.7% - Conservatives - William Hague (166)
18.3% - Liberal Democrats - Charles Kennedy (52)
9.3% - all others (28)

2001 Conservative leadership election

After the 2001 general election, William Hague resigned as leader of the Conservative party. Iain Duncan Smith, a right-winger, won the subsequent leadership election.

Most likely: Ken Clark, Michael Portillo
Less likely: Michael Ancram, David Davis, Iain Duncan Smith (OTL winner), Michael Howard, Francis Maude, John Redwood, Malcolm Rifkind, Ann Widdecombe

2003 Conservative leadership non-election

Iain Duncan Smith proved to be a poor leader of the Conservative Party, and in 2003 lost a vote of confidence by the party's MPs. Michael Howard was elected unopposed as the new leader.

Other possible candidates might have been Michael Ancram, Ken Clark, David Davis, Oliver Letwin, Theresa May or Michael Portillo. David Cameron was an unknown prior to the 2005 general election, after which he became shadow education secretary.

2005 general election

Blair had become less popular, partly due to the Iraq war. However, as Conservative leader, Michael Howard was lacking in charisma.

35.3% - Labour - Tony Blair (356 seats)
32.3% - Conservatives - Michael Howard (198 seats)
22.1% - Liberal Democrats - Charles Kennedy (62 seats)
10.1% - Others (30 seats)

2005 Conservative leadership election

After losing the 2005 general election, the Conservatives elected a new leader, the little-known David Cameron, who presented himself as a modern, progressive candidate.

Most likely: Ken Clarke, David Davis
Less likely: Michael Ancram, David Cameron (OTL winner), Liam Fox, Boris Johnson, Oliver Letwin, Theresa May, George Osborne

Alternative Labour leaders, 1994 to 2007

During this period, John Prescott was deputy leader of the Labour Party. Had there have been a leadership contest for some reason, the following people might have become leader.

Gordon Brown (most likely), David Blunkett (2001-2004), Robin Cook (1994-2005), Alan Milburn (1999-2007), John Prescott (1994-2006), John Reid (2002-2007), Jack Straw

Canada

Like the United Kingdom, Canada's prime minister is leader of the majority political party in the House of Commons. Major political parties include the Liberals, the Conservatives, the New Democratic Party (NDP), the Green Party, and the Bloc Quebecois, with majorities usually being exchanged between the Liberals and Conservatives; the NDP and Bloc Quebecois usually constitute the second-highest majorities after the Liberals and Conservatives, and while the Green Party currently has no seat in the House of Commons, it is popular among Canadian hippies, retired highschool teachers, and university students. The Bloc Quebecois runs in, and seeks to represent, only the province of Quebec, with its sizeable French-speaking and generally independent-minded French-Canadian population.

Party Leadership

STEPHEN HARPER: Leader of the Conservative Party and current Prime Minister. Largely shuns the public spotlight, looks something like a robot, but as such leads his supporters to see him as a 'strong leader'.

STEPHANE DION: Leader of the Liberal Party and leader of the official opposition in the House of Commons. Ridiculed by the Conservatives for his bumbling nature and speech impediment which is actually a French accent.

JACK LAYTON: Leader of the NDP and vocal opponent of everything proposed by the Liberals and Conservatives.

GILLES DUCEPPE: Leader of the Bloc Quebecois; in keeping with the BQ leadership's traditional haughty nature.

… and who cares what the name of the Green Party's leader is.

2006 Elections

Conservatives: 36.3% (124 seats)

Liberals: 30.2% (102 seats)

NDP: 17.5% (29 seats)

BQ: 10.5% (51 seats)

Green: 4.5% (2 seats- members have since become Independents)

2008 Elections upcoming . . .

Germany

OTL candidates are always listed at the first place under “Alternate winners”.

2005 Elections

OTL winner: Angela Merkel (CDU)

Alternate winners: Gerhard Schröder (SPD, incumbent), Edmund Stoiber (CSU)

2002 Elections

OTL winner: Gerhard Schröder (SPD, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Edmund Stoiber (CSU), Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) - without the OTL scandal, Roland Koch (CDU)

1998 Elections

OTL winner: Gerhard Schröder (SPD)

Alternate winners: Helmut Kohl (CDU, incumbent), Wolfgang Schäuble (CDU) - if Kohl had let him

1994 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Kohl (CDU, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Rudolf Scharping (SPD), Gerhard Schröder (SPD), Björn Engholm (SPD) - without the OTL scandal, Oskar Lafontaine (then SPD)

1990 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Kohl (CDU, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Oskar Lafontaine (then SPD), Johannes Rau (SPD)

1987 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Kohl (CDU, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Johannes Rau (SPD), Hans-Jochen Vogel (SPD)

1983 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Kohl (CDU, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Hans-Jochen Vogel (SPD), Johannes Rau (SPD)

1980 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Schmidt (SPD, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Franz Josef Strauß (CSU), Helmut Kohl (CDU)

1976 Elections

OTL winner: Helmut Schmidt (SPD, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Helmut Kohl (CDU), Franz Josef Strauß (CSU)

1972 Elections

OTL winner: Willy Brandt (SPD, incumbent)

Alternate winners: Rainer Barzel (CDU), Franz Josef Strauß (CSU)

Template for longest threads

(* - since last major update)

Outdated list of threads longer than 200 posts

This list will stay here temporarily until removed.

Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900

The World Would be Better Off Today If . . .
*link

Favorite Lost Cause?
*link

More reasonable Islam?
Mostly discussion. *link

The British Empire……LIVES!!!
Mostly discussion. *link

WI: A Third Hittite Empire is established.
POD circa 1200 BC. *link

The Sea People
POD 1178 BC. *link

Ancient Egypt survives to this day
POD circa 600 BC. *link

Answers for Milinda
POD 183 BC. *link

Historia Mundi
POD 103 BC. *link

Roman Timeline
POD 47 BC. *link

A much larger Rome that survives until the present day.
POD 44 BC. *link

Basileus' Interference Timeline
POD circa 30. *link

Mithras Supreme
Mostly discussion *link

The Coronation of the Hun
POD 450. *link

Composite TL II
POD 500. *link

ATL Dark ages map
POD 540. *link

No Islam
POD unspecified, but probably before 622. *link

The Song of Roland
POD 778. *link

The Guns of the Tawantinsuya
POD circa 800. *link

Medieval Map II
Mostly discussion *link

These Hills Sing of Saxon Kings
POD 1066. *link

The Greater Norman Empire and its successor states
POD 1066. *link

A fractured HRE (a map of a WI)
POD 1069. *link

Unholy Roman Empire
POD circa 1190. *link

Prince of Peace (edited) by Faeelin
POD 1196. *link

Chaos TL: A world without Genghis Khan's conquests
POD 1200. *link

The Anti-Habsburg TL
POD circa 1250. *link

Northern Star, a timeline with a united Scandinavia
POD 1387. *link

The Sport of Kings
POD 1425. *link

1493 Sign Up Thread
POD 1493. *link

Henry the Great.
POD 1612. *link

Anglo-Dutch Empire
POD 1678. *link

Darien Succeeds….
POD 1695. *link

Look to the West
POD 1727. *link

God is a Frenchman
POD 1759. *link

The Franco-American War of 1798
POD 1798. *link

The Three Thrones
POD 1808. *link

Decades of Darkness
POD 1809. *website *thread

If you wait you may become King of Sweden
POD 1809. *link

Anglo-Hanoverian TL
POD 1819. *link

The Talleyrand Plan
POD 1830. *link

Carving up Russia and China
POD circa 1856. *link

A healthy baby boy…
POD 1859. *link

So the Union looses a war with the British then what?
POD 1860s. *link

Another preview of one of my timelines
POD circa 1862. *link

Britain declares war on the Union in 1862….
Mostly discussion. *link

Would Qing China done better as a colony by foreigners?
POD 19th century; mostly discussion. *link

Famous quotations that never were
Mostly discussion. *link

Alternate History Discussion: After 1900

XXth C: Discussion Thread
POD 1900. *link

The 20th Century
POD 1900. *link

Anglo-German Alliance
POD 1901. *link

Pour le coeur
POD 1904. *link

In His Own Right
POD 1904. *link

In His Own Right, Part II
POD 1904. *link

In His Own Right, Part III
POD 1904. *link

In His Own Right, Part IV
POD 1904. *link

Zionist Uganda
POD 1905. *link

Superpower Empire: China
POD 1912. *link

The Collaborative Central Powers TL?
POD 1914 or shortly after. *link

Rule Britannia!
POD 1915. *link

Treaty of Brest-Litovsk post-CP victory map!
POD 1917/18. *link

Aurora Australis
POD 1919. *link

Our Treaty of Versailles
POD 1919. *link

Logical Middle East Borders
POD ~1920. *link

AH Challenge: The Weimar Republic survives TL
POD 1920. *link

A Fitter Italian Military
POD 1922-40. *link

New Britain (My Latest Attempt at a TL)
POD 1929. *link

The Death of Göring and the Victory of the Luftwaffe
POD 1935. *link

US politics in a Nazis Win TL
POD 1939-45 (not specified). *link

Ministry of Space, or Briiiiiits iiiiin Spaaaaace!
POD 1945. *link

The Cuban Missile War Timeline
POD 1962. *link

The War of Mexican Intervention? (~1995)
POD 1995. *link

A Spanish-Moroccan War in 2002
POD 2002. *link

AH challenge:more liberal america
mostly discussion. *link

the best movies never made
mostly discussion. *link

Alternate Headlines
mostly discussion. *link

Best case scenario for mid-east
mostly discussion. *link

How did you live the war: Geo-Politics and Technology
POD deliberately unclear (later became 1861). *link

DBWI: how did you live the war?
POD deliberately unclear (later became 1861). *link

Timelines and Scenarios

None yet - threads here tend to be rather short.

Alternate History Books and Media

Rules/Cliches of AH
*link

A Map Thread
*link

A Flag Thread
*link

Map Thread II
*link

Map Thread III
*link

A Blank Map Thread
*link

All the OTL maps from 500 CE to 2007
*link

The NEW Our TimeLine Maps Thread!
*link

MAP CONTEST: General Discussion.
*link

L Neil Smith - now in color!
*link

Europa Universalis II
*link

Your region in Dies the Fire?
*link

Map Contest Two: Discussion
*link

TIMELINE CONTEST: Sign-up & Planning Thread
*link

Prime Minister Francis Urquhart and 9/11
*link

Alternate Weapons of War thread…
*link

Map Continuation - WORLD
*link

The Map Thread for Turtledove's Great War/Southern Victory series
*link

The Official What-If Comic Character List
*link

UCS Map Thread Proposal
*link

Future History

Future History: 1967+ Timeline
POD 1967 (but mostly FH, so it's OK here). *link

DominusNovus Future History Thread
POD 2006. *link

Alternate Present: Discussion Thread
POD 2006. *link

FH TL: The Lunar Dream
POD 2018. *link

Future of Russia
Discussion. *link

Future Map Thread
*link

Challenge: Future newspaper headlines and quotes
*link

Where is the World Capital?
*link

Alternate History Writer's Forum

THERE'LL ALWAYS BE AN ENGLAND - New Story!!
*link

THE BLADE AND THE CROSS: The Final Volume of the Moonstruck Trilogy
*link

Photos from Alternate Worlds
*link

Endless Summer?
*link

Jihad on their Arse (Posleen In Saudi)
*link

NEW STORY - WHEN THE EMPIRE FALLS…
*link

The Counterfactual War
*link

SHADES OF GREY - WHEN THE EMPIRE FALLS, BOOK 2!
*link

Graf Zeppelin (The Multiverse War Book 7)
*link

Second Chance - Britain in the sea of time…
*link

The War After Roswell (The Multiverse War 4)
*link

The Three-Edged Sword (When the Empire Falls conclusion)
*link

The Third World War: Armageddon Rising
*link

The OtherWorld War (The Multiverse War Book 3)
*link

Alternate world Propaganda
*link

Skunk Works
*link

Axis of Evil (Second Chance Sequel)
*link

THE ARM'S-LENGTH WAR (Sequel to Moonstruck)
*link

NEW STORY - Outside Context Problem
*link

An unexpected turn of events - an ISOT story
*link

The Long Hard Road (Second Chance/Axis of Evil conclusion)
*link

Bootstrap (The Multiverse War Book 5)
*link

Disunited States: The Second American Civil War
*link

The Slightest Hope of Victory (Outside Context Problem - book 2)
*link

Carrier Wars - NEW STORY!!
*link

MOONSTRUCK: Luna in the Sea of Time
*link

AH.com series Bible
*link

The Yeomen of England - Posleen in England
*link

Alternate Newspapers
*link

CrossTime Semester at Sea
*link

Want to be in the Series? Don't Want to be in the Series?
*link

Anglo-Saxon Thread
*link

The Third World War: Trial of Strength
*link

Filling Stirling's Pockets
*link

EXTINCTION EVENT
*link

New Story - False Profits
*link

The Final Countdown
*link

Star Wars: Balance of Power
*link

The Lady of Anachrony … (TABAE v2.0 volume 1, New(ish) Story!!!!)
*link

The Fall of Night
*link

Alien Space Bats and Other Magic

New Interactive Nations Game
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=72724

A new cross time scooper
*link

Star Trek - Non Federation timeline
*link

AH.com members rule! (literally)
*link

2025 USA ISOTed to Peshawar Universe
*link

Mimas and the Death Star
*link

Britain of 1876 ISOTed to 1776
*link

Continuation of Feudal lord thread
*link

Draka Worldwar Aldenata Timeline
*link

ASBs make Board Members Rulers of Planet
*link

Dark Potter
*link

WI Everyone who viewed HAD to post
*link

DBWI: What if the Aliens had Crashed at Roswell, NM?
*link

DBWI: No Nonhuman races
*link

Alliance Triumphant
*link

Washington's Warlocks
*link

A Rusted Morning
*link

What's the silliest WI you can come up with?
*link

The ASB Map Thread
*link

Fantasy Map!
*link

1790 America ISOTed 400 years back to 1390
*link

Australia ISOT
*link

The Claims of Mikhail Gorbachev
*link

The League of extraordinary gentlemen continued to modern times
*link

The Time Television
*link

Dystopic Return of Magic
*link

The Lost Regiment of Videssos
*link

Shared Worlds

The Brave New World project
Central discussion thread for this project. *link

New Interactive Nations Game
Central discussion thread for this project. *link

(100+ more threads yet!)

A Little Trip

ALT Chat
*link

[ALT] We're all going on a little trip…
*link

ALT-2 Chat
*link

ALT: Major Items for Community Request
*link

ASB send us to the old west in 1878
POD today/1878 *link

Old Board Archive

AH Discussion

You can tell you're in an AH when…….
*link

The Dark Czar: Fire Eagle/Snow Bear 1926-46
*link

A Light In The East: Timeline of the Holy Roman Empire of Constantinople
*link

Fire Eagle/Snow Bear: Imperial Germany vs the Nafobor Revolution 1916-1946
*link

Playing around with headlines
*link

Mustafa the Pretender, The Ottomans stillborn, and italia: the last gasp of byzantium
*link

AH Websites:

Strange Days
*link

Alien Space Bats and Other Magic

Interplanar Alliance (or The Crosstime UN)
link

WI the discussion board had a cross time scooper?
link

Mosaic Timelines Earth
link



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