How did you live the war: Geo-Politics and Technology

Landshark · Jun 7, 2006

I've created this thread strictly for discussion of the nations that appear in the HDYLTW thread.

To thrash out their borders, government systems and other technical matters to hopefully result in a more coherent main thread.

1: New England. I think we're all agreed that the nation of New England covers the six states usually associated with that name. I would like to raise the point of whether New England would actually be a monarchy?

2: New York. Again I think there's general agreement that the nation of New York is the territory of New York State.

3: Pennsylvania. Does anyone object to PA being called the Free Republic of Pennsylvania and that it include New Jersey?

4: Maryland. This nation is the OTL territory of Maryland and Delaware.

5: Virginia. The Republic of Virginia. OTL Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky.

6: Carolina. The current sticking point seems to be whether this should include South Carolina.

7: The New Confederacy. Or as some would have it the Independent Confederation of Mississippi Alabama and Georgia. Again South Carolina is the issue here.

8: Florida. Everyone OK with the Republic of Florida?

Offcial names for countries would also help when the final maps are being done and please feel free to express your opinions on what needs doing.

1: The Dominion of Canada

2: New England

3: Republic of New York

4: Free Republic of Pennsylvania

5: Virginia

6: The Carolinas

7: New Confederacy

8: Republic of Florida

9: Great Lakes Confederation

10: Republic of Louisiana

11: Republic of Texas

12: Mormon Republic of Deseret

13: Republic of California

14: Pacifica

15: Republic of Cuba

16: Iowa

17: Dakota

18: Alaska

19: Maryland

20: Dominion of Newfoundland

21: Kingdom of Hawaii (British)

22: United States of Nebraska and Kansas

23: Rocky Mountain Confederation

24: Aztlan

Berlin89 · Jun 7, 2006

Proposed new nation:

Wisconsin!

SionEwig · Jun 7, 2006

Landshark said:
I've created this thread strictly for discussion of the nations that appear in the HDYLTW thread.

To thrash out their borders, government systems and other technical matters to hopefully result in a more coherent main thread.

Excellent idea!

1: New England. I think we're all agreed that the nation of New England covers the six states usually associated with that name. I would like to raise the point of whether New England would actually be a monarchy?

Yeah, make it a monarchy.

2: New York. Again I think there's general agreement that the nation of New York is the territory of New York State.

Check.

3: Pennsylvania. Does anyone object to PA being called the Free Republic of Pennsylvania and that it include New Jersey?

Sounds good to me, but give PA the part of Deleware down to the Chesepeake and Deleware Canal. After all Deleware used to be a part of PA.

4: Maryland. This nation is the OTL territory of Maryland and Delaware.

See PA, but otherwise yes.

5: Virginia. The Republic of Virginia. OTL Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky.

Yes.

6: Carolina. The current sticking point seems to be whether this should include South Carolina.

Should include South Carolina for the reasons you gave earlier and it is closer culterally to NC.

7: The New Confederacy. Or as some would have it the Independent Confederation of Mississippi Alabama and Georgia. Again South Carolina is the issue here.

You know what name I want. No to South Carolina.

8: Florida. Everyone OK with the Republic of Florida?

Like it.

Offcial names for countries would also help when the final maps are being done and please feel free to express your opinions on what needs doing.

1: The Dominion of Canada

2: New England

3: Republic of New York

4: Free Republic of Pennsylvania

5: Virginia

6: The Carolinas

7: New Confederacy

8: Republic of Florida

9: Great Lakes Confederation

10: Republic of Louisiana

11: Republic of Texas

12: Mormon Republic of Deseret

13: Republic of California

14: Pacifica

15: Republic of Cuba

16: Iowa

17: Dakota

18: Alaska

19: Maryland

20: Dominion of Newfoundland

21: Kingdom of Hawaii (British)

22: United States of Nebraska and Kansas

23: Rocky Mountain Confederation

24: Aztlan

They all look fine to me, except for #7 of course and you know what I want as the name

. Still want Heartland for Kansas and Nebraska.

Wendell · Jun 8, 2006

Alaska is a militaristic Constitutional Monarchy ruled by a Tsar. The Chancellor heads its government.

BlackMage · Jun 8, 2006

I like the idea of New England as a monarchy under the rule of the Kennedy-Rockefeller dynasty; otherwise, there isn't much reason for Vermont to revolt, and I like the idea of Marxist guerrilas in Vermont.

So this is my vote for a monarchal New England.

Actually, if they still have a parliament, what would they call their Republican Party?

Nicole · Jun 8, 2006

Monarchist Party? Or maybe the Whig Party?

Landshark · Jun 8, 2006

Conservative Party?

Kidblast · Jun 8, 2006

For the ICMAG, the coast of S. Carolina could be a part of Georgia, while the Mountains could be a part of Carolina.

That would make sense considering demographics and economy.

Landshark · Jun 8, 2006

Not perfect as Mexico and Latin America are entirely as OTL and everything sticks to the OTL state borders as the map I've been working from doesn't show anything else but hopefully this'll give people some idea of the layout.

SionEwig · Jun 8, 2006

Good Map, I think that is a very good starting point for the beginning of the wars. I say yes.

Strategos' Risk · Jun 8, 2006

Two things I proposed:

1. Assiniboia saw a revolt there, under the resurrected Metis movement. "New Army of Louis Riel".

2. Anti-globalization "Gibsonite" anarchist types tore up Seattle, and were put down when corporate security (boosted by private contractors, no doubt) from Redmond were sent to pacify the state. But then they were put down as well, by whoever took over at the end.

Landshark · Jun 8, 2006

Why is Mexico always a shambles in these things?

SionEwig · Jun 8, 2006

Landshark said:
Why is Mexico always a shambles in these things?

Another one of those rules of AH?

Like Deseret, some form of the Confederacy, and airships.

Andromedos · Jun 9, 2006

North America looks good so far. Shall we try an outline for Europe now?

Two things I proposed:

1. Assiniboia saw a revolt there, under the resurrected Metis movement. "New Army of Louis Riel".

2. Anti-globalization "Gibsonite" anarchist types tore up Seattle, and were put down when corporate security (boosted by private contractors, no doubt) from Redmond were sent to pacify the state. But then they were put down as well, by whoever took over at the end.

I wrote that german expeditionary forces were active for Pacifica, they might have put down the corporate troops. Initially, I descriped Pacifica as a libertarian-green society. Maybe there was a strong streak of Pacifism as well.

BlackMage · Jun 9, 2006

Just a rough map I made up 15 minutes ago of how much of Vermont came under the control of the Socialist Republic of Vermont. It's pretty pointless, I know, and my constant harping on Vermont must be getting irritating, but it's just a footnote to a footnote. It's probably easier if you guys just smile and nod.

It looks rather simplistic, I know. Green is Socialist Republic of Vermont, while blue is under New England control.

And this doesn't have much relevance to anything, seeing as by the end of the war Vermont is fully under New England control and everything returns to the status quo, but, like I said, footnote to a footnote.

Redem · Jun 9, 2006

A guess Europe must have stayed lot closer it's 19th century OTL counterpart, except that they must have been a lot less "hotspot" between various power explaining why a lot countries kept the same system

.

(Right now I'm just glad that we seem fixed on North America)

Andromedos · Jun 9, 2006

Some questions fo North America are still open. For example who is ruling New England? So far, some have said the Kennedy's, others have said the Rockefellers. Some kind of Kennedy- Rockefeller dynasty was also suggested.
From what was said so far, I'd suggest that government wise, NE could be similar to Imperial Germany during the reign of Wilhelm I. A strong monarchy with a elected parliament. Does that sound right?

In Europe, let's start with Britain. What kind of nation is it? Britain still seems to have close ties to Canada, from what I read into the topic.

Nicole · Jun 9, 2006

I guess they're the Kennedy-Rockefeller dynasty and some people are just shortening it in different ways?

New England seems to be a strong monarchy with an elected parliament, but the strength of that parliament vs. the monarch is disputed...

BlackMage · Jun 9, 2006

Andromedos said:
Some questions fo North America are still open. For example who is ruling New England? So far, some have said the Kennedy's, others have said the Rockefellers. Some kind of Kennedy- Rockefeller dynasty was also suggested.
From what was said so far, I'd suggest that government wise, NE could be similar to Imperial Germany during the reign of Wilhelm I. A strong monarchy with a elected parliament. Does that sound right?

In Europe, let's start with Britain. What kind of nation is it? Britain still seems to have close ties to Canada, from what I read into the topic.

Kennedy-Rockefeller dynasty sounds good to me. I like the Imperial Germany idea as well. Maybe to resolve who has what power: the New England Assembly (two houses, one appointed, one elected) has the power to propose and pass laws, but the King keeps a power of veto. So he'd be less powerful than the Kaiser, but still maintain strong influence upon the Parliament.

Maybe the Democrats and the Republicans, having become dominated by the Kennedy and Rockefeller families respectively, have merged upon the marriage of the Kennedy and Rockefeller families into the (?) Royalist Party. So what you've got is essentially a very one-party-dominant state, under the control of the King.

Redem · Jun 9, 2006

I think California and Canada were allied, my character claimed to have done R'N'R there.