So the crown lands of Austria were merged, but the titles retained, or are the crown lands untampered with and directly incorporated into the Reich?

Basically everything left over of Cisleithania following the removal of the Bohemian Crown, Galicia and Dalmatia, are part of the Kingdom of Austria. Within the Kingdom of Austria, there are the various subordinate titles, such as Duke of Carinthia and Archduke of Upper and Lower Austria, which which have varying degrees of autonomy from the Austrian Crown in the same way that the Kingdom of Prussia is divided into various subdivisions in the Rhineland, East and West Prussia, Schleswig-Hostein and the like. Hope that makes sense.

This means that Slovenian lands are part of the German Reich as a subsection of the Kingdom of Austria.
 
I like how German realpolitik means the world doesn't end up in a two sided cold war parallel. Communist countries are a bit less scary and they have less control over communist parties in capitalist countries, so we end up with the Germans building bridges with them. Does this mean the French, US and British will keep the trend of working with fascists and reactionaries?

Would communist parties in other countries try to give parliamentary support to coalitions willing to work with other communist nations? OTL, it did happen, but they were more dependent on Moscow than they are here.

And the biggest question of them all: will communist Italy manage to redeem the country's track record if another war break out? After the civil war, they should be a lot less complacent than OTL Italians. On the other hand, they're probably much further behind on the naval game.
 
ITTL Sicily will be a Third World country.

Well, considering Sicily's placement and the involvement of the Mafia, they are in a prime position to dominate Europe's illicit trade networks. Sure, they might become a third world country, but it might work out for them. A mafioso's paradise so to say.

I like how German realpolitik means the world doesn't end up in a two sided cold war parallel. Communist countries are a bit less scary and they have less control over communist parties in capitalist countries, so we end up with the Germans building bridges with them. Does this mean the French, US and British will keep the trend of working with fascists and reactionaries?

Would communist parties in other countries try to give parliamentary support to coalitions willing to work with other communist nations? OTL, it did happen, but they were more dependent on Moscow than they are here.

And the biggest question of them all: will communist Italy manage to redeem the country's track record if another war break out? After the civil war, they should be a lot less complacent than OTL Italians. On the other hand, they're probably much further behind on the naval game.

How sustainable the current status quo will be is very much a question. Personally, I think that without the shock of defeat in the Great War, a more moderate Communism and without direct Russian control of the movement - making people think of Communists as little more than Moscow's stooges - the Germans would probably be the state most open to working things out with the Communists.

I don't know if it will be any sort of consistent trend, but it does seem like a possible direction for them to go in.

It would be difficult, but certainly not impossible. One of the main issues is with the different interpretation of vanguard parties ITTL, with the idea being to unite all leftist interests in a single party and manage internal differences out of sight of the public - a reaction to the extreme fractiousness of many leftist political parties. You are likely to see a lot of the more radical left joining together in communist parties, but the relationship with social democrats will be rather tense. I am playing around with the idea of Social Democratic ideology diverging even further from the rest of the leftist ideologies but haven't decided yet.

I don't quite know what direction Italy will go, but the rivalry between Sicily and Italy will be an ongoing issue for quite a while.
 
How sustainable the current status quo will be is very much a question. Personally, I think that without the shock of defeat in the Great War, a more moderate Communism and without direct Russian control of the movement - making people think of Communists as little more than Moscow's stooges - the Germans would probably be the state most open to working things out with the Communists.

France could have, if they hadn't mishandled it completely...

As for Germany, avoiding the plots to use the defeat to discredit the left and tank the economy to avoid repayment will do wonder. The SPD will probably remain strong because of that.

It would be difficult, but certainly not impossible. One of the main issues is with the different interpretation of vanguard parties ITTL, with the idea being to unite all leftist interests in a single party and manage internal differences out of sight of the public - a reaction to the extreme fractiousness of many leftist political parties. You are likely to see a lot of the more radical left joining together in communist parties, but the relationship with social democrats will be rather tense. I am playing around with the idea of Social Democratic ideology diverging even further from the rest of the leftist ideologies but haven't decided yet.

On the other hand, the pre WW2 social democrat movements had quite a few democratic socialists within them, and those would probably be more open to arguments from the left, and react badly to moving right. They may not back revolution, but they could definitely work with communists electorally, especially if they get to be senior partners. So you could see social democrat parties with either a trend of moving right, and shedding their most leftwing members, to oppose communists, or moving left, depending on how well they can work with leftists in their countries and how much of a threat they are. For example, in places where the revolutionary left isn't strong enough to be a danger, they could try the latter.
 
I'm wondering if I could make a scenario based on this TL for the Triumph of Chaos board game. Does anyone else know of this game?
 
Is there any chance we could get a map of the current situation? I'm esp. curious what the borders between the various Russian states are.
 
Keep in mind that the Germans already accepted a Communist Russia after spending years fighting against them and that the Communists border on their Austrian border, far from anywhere that the power brokers in Berlin view as significant.

Furthermore, Communism has a significantly more mixed reputation in Germany than in say the US, France or Britain. Rosa Luxembourg and other German Communists aren't exactly viewed as mainstream, but they also aren't viewed as irredeemable terroristic monsters, and this has an effect on how the rest of the political establishment views the Milanese communists. Hell, Gramsci proved downright decent when it came to handing over actual terrorists like Berneri. The German government views Communist Italy as a significant, but dangerous, opportunity to challenge British dominance of the Mediterranean at some point in the future.

It is more Mitteleuropa than the EU. Germany is clearly the central hegemon of the powerblock and little happens without Berlin's sanction. Furthermore, there is a flood of German business into the region hoping to exploit the underprovided markets of Eastern Europe and to secure control of the vast natural resources of the region. It is a synergetic relationship, but the Germans definitely reap far more benefits than their partners.

Max's title as King of Austria is implemented to create a formal state in the German Reich, similar to Bavaria, Baden or Prussia. Within the Kingdom of Austria are all the subsidiary titles held by Max.
Would Austria not prefer the title of Archduchy, not only out of historical understandings, but also as a component of the Habsburg myth, and a somewhat arrogant reluctance to place a state that once ruled an empire on the same level as, say, a pitiful fiefdom like Saxony?
 
Would Austria not prefer the title of Archduchy, not only out of historical understandings, but also as a component of the Habsburg myth, and a somewhat arrogant reluctance to place a state that once ruled an empire on the same level as, say, a pitiful fiefdom like Saxony?
That's what I was thinking
 
I'm wondering if I could make a scenario based on this TL for the Triumph of Chaos board game. Does anyone else know of this game?

I don’t know the game, and don’t know what I can do to help, but adapting the scenario sounds awesome.

Is there any chance we could get a map of the current situation? I'm esp. curious what the borders between the various Russian states are.

There are several maps in the thread, one of them is even threadmarked covering the Russian borders.

Would Austria not prefer the title of Archduchy, not only out of historical understandings, but also as a component of the Habsburg myth, and a somewhat arrogant reluctance to place a state that once ruled an empire on the same level as, say, a pitiful fiefdom like Saxony?

The Archduchies of Upper and Lower Austria, as they are officially known, are still in existence and are held by Max von Habsburg. The Austrian half of Austria-Hungary was known as Cisleithania, not as the Archduchy of Austria. The title of King is more of an effort to ensure that the new Austrian addition to Germany is put on an equal footing to Bavaria, Saxony and Prussia.
 
After having been caught up with this TL for a while I have to say it's quite amazing. How you've managed to cover such a wide breadth of regions and topics at such detail, all the while keeping a relatively fast pace and the story moving, is truly astounding.

On this last update, as well as topics yet uncovered, I'd like to share some thoughts and questions.
First regarding the expansion of the Zollverein I'd expect some resistance from the SPD fearing the danger of loan dumping due to unskilled immigration from the east (might be explained by immigration restrictions) and the flooding of German markets by cheap agricultural products harming a voter base they're just trying to capture (as mentioned in the update regarding the Prussian juncker estates).

On the issue of 'Kingdom' or 'Archduchy' (or whatever) I'd be rather skeptical of the Austrians/Habsburgs accepting a 'King' as there's really no historical precedent for it. This issue has been discussed a few times on the board but there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Considering that 'Cisleithania' was an informal name for the official 'The Kingdoms and Lands represented in the Imperial Diet' it would probably be something ham-fisted like that while colloquially 'Archduchy of Austria' would be used.

Finally, I'm curious how female suffrage is progressing as we're getting deeper into the 20s and I'm looking forward to the update on developments in science and technology (e.g. what's Fritz Haber up to now that he isn't trying to create gold from water to repay Germany's war reparations?).
 
While there are several maps, they are only regional, and spread across different updates, so a proper world map would be nice. There is no map for the Middle East, for example, other than the one showing the Persian partition (unless i have overlooked it?). I would volunteer to make a map, but i use an iPad, and have unfortunately no idea what program to use, lol.
 
After having been caught up with this TL for a while I have to say it's quite amazing. How you've managed to cover such a wide breadth of regions and topics at such detail, all the while keeping a relatively fast pace and the story moving, is truly astounding.

On this last update, as well as topics yet uncovered, I'd like to share some thoughts and questions.
First regarding the expansion of the Zollverein I'd expect some resistance from the SPD fearing the danger of loan dumping due to unskilled immigration from the east (might be explained by immigration restrictions) and the flooding of German markets by cheap agricultural products harming a voter base they're just trying to capture (as mentioned in the update regarding the Prussian juncker estates).

On the issue of 'Kingdom' or 'Archduchy' (or whatever) I'd be rather skeptical of the Austrians/Habsburgs accepting a 'King' as there's really no historical precedent for it. This issue has been discussed a few times on the board but there doesn't seem to be a consensus. Considering that 'Cisleithania' was an informal name for the official 'The Kingdoms and Lands represented in the Imperial Diet' it would probably be something ham-fisted like that while colloquially 'Archduchy of Austria' would be used.

Finally, I'm curious how female suffrage is progressing as we're getting deeper into the 20s and I'm looking forward to the update on developments in science and technology (e.g. what's Fritz Haber up to now that he isn't trying to create gold from water to repay Germany's war reparations?).

That is absolutely fantastic to hear, I do put a good deal of time into preparing it so seeing it appreciated is always great.

While the SPD is trying to break into the rural voting base, for the time being it is more of an issue on the right, particularly with the DKP and DNVP who have significant junker backing. Furthermore, the harm done to the rural voter base by cheap agricultural produce is more than made up for by the positive reactions on the part of urban populace who are able to enjoy cheap food. The flood of cheap food is part of the general euphoria of the 1920s, with many enjoying their freedom to enjoy food given the near-starvation faced by many during the Great War. Additionally, the Zollverein doesn't include migration provisions - it is a trade, customs and tariff union. Not quite the EU Four Freedoms. That said, there is a good deal of unskilled migrant labor from the east, but not as many as you might expect given the German exploitation of natural resources in Eastern Europe requiring a great deal of local labour force.

On the issue of Kingdom v. Archduchy, the issue with that title has more to do with historical accident than an unwillingness of the Habsburgs to make Austria a kingdom. When they only held Austria, there were several attempts to have the Archduchy elevated, but this was met with considerable resistance on the part of other powers with an interest in holding back the Habsburgs. By the time the Habsburgs had the power to elevate the Archduchy, they were already kings several times over and as such saw little need to elevate the title. As for there being no historical precedent, I could say the same for Bavaria, Saxony or Württemberg when they were elevated.

You are correct on the usage of Cisleithania being a bureaucratic term not used outside of a very limited circle of people, although they also wouldn't have used Archduchy of Austria - they would have used "Austrian Lands" instead, which excluded the Bohemian Crown Lands, Dalmatia and Galicia. The Austrian Lands are the lands absorbed by Germany ITTL. Those lands were not referred to as being a single Archduchy - hell, there are two Archduchies within the Austrian Lands, Upper and Lower Austria.

I have a book called The German Genius by Peter Watson which deals with the development of German intellectual and scientific thought from Friedrich the Great and until the end of WW2 (might go further than that, but I haven't gotten into it in any great detail quite yet) which I hope to draw on inspiration for. I am not sure what Haber will be doing tbh. As for female suffrage, thanks for reminding me, I will have to include a section on it.

While there are several maps, they are only regional, and spread across different updates, so a proper world map would be nice. There is no map for the Middle East, for example, other than the one showing the Persian partition (unless i have overlooked it?). I would volunteer to make a map, but i use an iPad, and have unfortunately no idea what program to use, lol.

I don't trust myself to make a full map tbh, which is why I have been limiting the focus to regional maps as much as possible. That said, if anyone wants to take the initiative, I am happy to help in any way possible. I would love a world map but I just don't have the knowledge, time or talent for it.
 
I can make a worlda map of the whole world if you want.

That would be absolutely fantastic. Just PM me if you need any notes or details to help fill stuff out. You should have most of the differences in the various maps I have posted so far, but if there is anything that pops out just let me know. I would like to see it in a PM prior to posting though.
 
That would be absolutely fantastic. Just PM me if you need any notes or details to help fill stuff out. You should have most of the differences in the various maps I have posted so far, but if there is anything that pops out just let me know. I would like to see it in a PM prior to posting though.
No problem.
 
Interlude Three: Sardar's World Map - 1926
The World of "A Day In July" in 1926

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