List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[BlackentheBorg]

No Mike Gabbard?

I think by the time of the Warren administration he'd be a bit old, no?

 

[Oppo]

I think by the time of the Warren administration he'd be a bit old, no?

I meant before 2016.

 

[Tzaero]

Is Warren a cyborg by the time she becomes president?

 

[BlackentheBorg]

I meant before 2016.

Ah. Well, the list was supposed to be a dig at the dislike for Tulsi and Tulsi alone. Therefore, she was the sole component.

Is Warren a cyborg by the time she becomes president?

No, just very, very old, hence the untimely expiration in office. But if you want to think she's a cyborg, and that a severe malfunction caused a big explosion, then by all means go with that, because that sounds awesome by comparison.

 

[Stolengood]

Just A Bit of Dicking Around...

1969-1973: Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
def. 1968: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie
1973: Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
def. 1972: George McGovern/Sargent Shriver
1973-1974: Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford
1974-1976: Gerald Ford/Ronald Reagan
1976-1981: Gerald Ford/Ronald Reagan
def. 1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
1981-1982: Henry Jackson/Morris Udall
def. 1980: Ronald Reagan/William Simon
1982-1985: Morris Udall/John Glenn
1985-1989: Morris Udall/John Glenn
def. 1984: George Bush/Jack Kemp
1989-1993: Charlton Heston/Bob Dole
def. 1988: John Glenn/Al Gore
1993-1996: Paul Tsongas/Paul Wellstone
def. 1992: Charlton Heston/Bob Dole
1996-1997: Paul Wellstone/Joe Biden
1997-2001: Paul Wellstone/Joe Biden
def. 1996: Bob Dole/Pete Wilson
2001-2005: Paul Wellstone/Joe Biden
def. 2000: Steve Forbes/Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
2005-2009: Joe Biden/Dianne Feinstein
def. 2004: John Ellis Bush/Alan Keyes
2009-2013: Colin Powell/Jack Ryan
def. 2008: Joe Biden/Dianne Feinstein
2013-2017: Colin Powell/Kelly Ayotte
def. 2012: Dianne Feinstein/Evan Bayh
2017-2021: Amy Klobuchar/Jason Kander
def. 2016: John Huntsman/Kelly Ayotte

 

[Ferguson97]

Feminist Movement, 1886
This is extremely unlikely, but I just did this one for fun.
1887-1885: Victoria Woodhull/Fredrick Douglass
1885-1889: Susan B. Anthony/Elizabeth Cady Stanton
1889-1897: Belva Ann Lockwood/Charles S. Wells
1897-1905: Charles Matchett/Matthew Maguire
1905-1913: Eugene V. Debs/Benjamin Hanford
1913-1921: Arthur E. Reimer/August Gillhaus
1921-1929: Lucy Burns/Alice Paul
1929-1937: Alice Paul/Nellie Tayloe Ross
1937-1945: Nellie Tayloe Ross/Franklin D. Roosevelt
1945-1953: Norman Thomas/Darlington Hoopes
1953-1961: Thomas E. Dewey/Dwight D. Eisenhower
1961-1965: John Kasper/J. B. Stoner
1965-1973: Martin Luther King, Jr./John F. Kennedy
1973-1981: Marilyn Monroe/Ronald Reagan
1981-1989: Ed Clark/David Koch
1989-1993: David Koch/Ron Paul
1993-2001: James Warren/Esetelle DeBates
2001-2005: Bernie Sanders/Ralph Nader
2005-2013: Hillary Rodham/Mary Alice Herbert
2013-present: Virgil Goode/Jim Clymer

Prohibition Party
State's Rights Party
Socialist Party
Feminist Party
Equality Party
Liberty Party

 

[ZMF]

A little thing I whipped up for my first alternate list.

The More The Things Change, The More They Stay The Same
1961-1969: Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Everett Dirksen (R-IL) [1]
def. 1960: Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/Stuart Symington (D-MO)
def. 1964: Mike Mansfield (D-MT)/John Sparkman (D-AL)
1969-1974: John Connally (D-TX)/Happy Chandler (D-KY) [2]
def. 1968: Everett Dirksen (R-IL)/Daniel J. Evans (R-WA)
def. 1972: John Lindsay (R-NY)/Thomas Kuchel (R-CA)
1974-1976: Happy Chandler (D-KY)/Vacant [3]
1976-1977: Happy Chandler (D-KY)/Fred Harris (D-OK) [4]
1977-1985: Thomas Kuchel (R-CA)/Arlen Specter (R-PA) [5]
def. 1976: Happy Chandler (D-KY)/Fred Harris (D-OK)
def. 1980: Clyde M. See, Jr. (D-WV)/Ted Schwinden (D-MT)
1985-1993: Larry McDonald (D-GA)/Vance Hartke (D-IN) [6]
def. 1984: Arlen Specter (R-PA)/John Spellman (R-WA)
def, 1988: Mark Hatfield (R-OR)/Jack Kennedy (R-MA), Hunter S. Thompson (FP-CO)/George McGovern (I-ND)
1993-1997: Vance Hartke (D-IN)/Mary Landrieu (D-LA) [7]
def. 1992: Ron Paul (R-TX)/George Bush (R-CT)
1997-2005: Jack Kennedy (R-MA)/Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT) [8]
def. 1996: Vance Hartke (D-IN)/Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
def. 2000: Mark Pryor (D-AR)/Mark Begich (D-AK)
2005-2013: Haley Barbour (D-MS)/Joe Lieberman (D-CT) [9]
def. 2004: Jon Huntsman Jr. (R-UT)/Buddy Roemer (R-LA)
def. 2008: Michael Bloomberg (R-NY)/Jim Jeffords (R-VT), Gary Johnson (iR-NM), Rand Paul (iR-TX)
2013-present: Barry Obama (R-HI)/George Bush (R-CT) [10]
def. 2012: John Edwards (D-NC)/Natalie Tennant (D-WV)
def. 2016: Ted Cruz (D-TX)/Evan Bayh (D-IN)

[1] "Though Dick could not be here tonight, I am assured he looks down upon us with happiness, as he has seen what we can, and we will, accomplish."
[2] "Now, I have not, nor will I ever, lie under oath in a court of law. I did not take that money."
[3] "Today, we must move forward from the mistakes of the past. We must march to a new tomorrow."
[4] "Our nation is in a crisis of confidence, and my opponent is too unqualified to lead us out of it."
[5] "We will fix the mistakes of our predecessors, we will clean up Washington, and we will set the nation on the right path forward."
[6] "I will bring the United States back to sensibility and I will regain the respect we have lost from other nations.
[7] "We will further our nation to heights it has never seen before."
[8] "Our nation is one of progress and innovation, and we cannot allow ourselves to be held back by the chains of the past."
[9] "The people demand change, and by God almighty, we will give it to them."
[10] "Our nation cannot live in fear and it will not live in fear. Tomorrow, people will believe in the American dream again."

 

[Zaffre]

The Three Term Precedent (Mk. 2)

1789-1796: George Washington / John Adams† (Federalist)[1]
1789: John Jay, Various
1792: George Clinton, Various
1796-1797: George Washington / Vacant (Federalist)
1797-1801: George Washington / Oliver Ellsworth (Federalist)
1796: Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)[2]
1801-1807: John Marshall / Oliver Ellsworth† (Federalist)[3]
1800: Thomas Jefferson / Aaron Burr (Democratic-Republican)
1804: Thomas Jefferson / John Breckenridge (Democratic-Republican)
1807-1809: John Marshall / Vacant (Federalist)
1809-1813: John Marshall / James Hillhouse (Federalist)
1808: George Clinton / James Monroe (Democratic-Republican)
1813-1817: William Branch Giles / John Langdon (Democratic-Republican)[4]
1812: Rufus King / Fulwar Skipwith (Federalist)
1817-1825: Stephen Van Rensselaer III / Cowles Mead (Federalist)
1816: William H. Crawford / Joseph Desha (Democratic-Republican)
1821-1825: Cowles Mead / Stephen Van Rensselar III (Federalist)[5]
1820:
1825-1825: Daniel D. Tompkins† / Eleazer W. Ripley (‘High’ Federalist)
1824: Stephen Decatur, Jr. / William H. Harrison (‘Low’ Federalist)[6]
1825-1829: Eleazer W. Ripley / Vacant (‘High’ Federalist)
1829-1833: Leonard W. Covington / Zebulon M. Pike, Jr. (‘Low’ Federalist)
1828: Eleazer W. Ripley / Andrew Jackson (‘High’ Federalist)
1833-1836: Leonard W. Covington† / Henry Wheaton (‘Low’ Federalist)
1832: Louis McLane / Joseph Dane (‘High’ Federalist)
1836: Stephen Longfellow / Henry R. Warfield (‘High’ Federalist), Gorham Parks / Silas M. Stilwell (Working-Men’s)[7]
1836-1837: Henry Wheaton / Vacant (Federalist)
1837-1841: Henry Wheaton / James K. Marshall (Federalist)
1841-1845: Edward Coles / Winfield Scott (Federalist)
1840: James Buchanan / Alexander Ming (‘Working’ Federalist)
1845-: George Bancroft / Henry Lee (Anti-Monopoly)[8]
1844: Edward Coles / Winfield Scott (Federalist)


[1] John Adams tragically passed away in the summer of 1796 – and an aggravated George Washington reluctantly ran for a third term – who else could they really nominate, anyway? Washington’s third term would be by far the most partisan, with unresolved war crises with France and growing disillusionment with ‘his Aristocracy’. Washington had firmly decided to step down by 1800, and did so to little fanfare. Today he’s universally ranked among the top 10 presidents.

[2] Thomas Jefferson and the Democratic-Republican party machine was finally bold enough to outright challenge Washington for the Presidency in 1796 – Jefferson got the electors from Kentucky and Georgia and only a handful of faithless ones elsewhere. Lingering bad feelings were one of the several reasons he lost in 1800 to –

[3] John Marshall, the second President of the United States and the man who (narrowly) kept Federalists in charge. Marshall won the Barbary wars, presided over a stable economy – and unilaterally seized New Orleans when Napoleon was threatening emancipation. The stand-off with France kept Marshall popular – and torpedoed his rival Jefferson’s support in the south. Marshall won three elections, the third by a substantial margin over George Clinton – and at the end of his third term finally stepped down, in emulation of his predecessor.

[4] 1812 would mark the first peaceful transition of power between two parties – Jefferson’s protégé William Giles beat Rufus King on the strength of a united South and West – and almost immediately lost all of his goodwill when he returned New Orleans to France to join with them in the ongoing war against Great Britain. ‘Giles’ War’ (or the War of 1813 as more neutral history books call it) was a brief and dismal failure, as unprepared U.S. armies that Giles refused to fund were very quickly pushed back on all fronts. New England didn’t secede, obviously, but unpleasantly large chunks of Maine and Michigan were given up. Giles lost even his re-nomination.

[5] Van Rensselaer was technically unopposed in 1820 - but a screw-up with one faithless elector meant that Cowles Mead became President and an instant lame-duck. That flaw was subsequently very quickly amended out of the Constitution.

[6] Daniel D. Tompkins charged war heroes Stephen Decatur and William Henry Harrison as merely entryists – whereas Decatur very narrowly prevailed in the Caucus, Tompkins swept the Federalist state legislatures across the country, and with it, the election. Tompkins died shortly after the inauguration – but the split would be enduring, as the regular wing of the party swept back into power with popular Maryland Senator Covington.

[7] The ‘High’ Federalists languished in the wilderness as suffrage requirements were gradually lifted – aristocrats from Charleston to Boston could barely command a following anymore. In 1836 they were joined by a new no-hoper party – Senator Gorham Parks had split with the President on everything from trade unions to bank charters to foreign policy – and many in the lower class flocked to his banner. But without a pre-existing party organization, the Working Men’s Party failed miserably at winning over state legislatures. Both parties distrusted the yeomen farmers, the middle class, the Nouveau Riche that were seizing the reins of power. Both parties put two and two together. And now things got exciting.

[8] The New Englander shivered in the inauguration day cold, pulled his crumpled speech out of a coat-pocket, and began to speak. “The era of small government, of rule by bank, of bowing to the Bourbon powers - is over!” And at this last point the Vice President smiled.

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

1817-1825: Stephen Van Rensselaer III

I know nothing about America, but I wholeheartedly approve of the usage of a Patroon and this gorgeous colour:

George Bancroft / Henry Lee (Anti-Monopoly)[8]

 

[Utgard96]

I know nothing about America, but I wholeheartedly approve of the usage of a Patroon and this gorgeous colour:

do u lyk tertiary colours um

 

[Gonzo]

View attachment 307396

The fact this is a meme makes me feel happy.

 

[Mumby]

i had a stupid thought this morning

pls forgive me

'You can bet your bottom dollar that every one thinking they are the saviour of the Labour Party tonight is a dude'

1997-2007: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Majority) def. John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrat)
2001 (Majority) def. William Hague (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrat)
2005 (Majority) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrat)
2007-2012: Gordon Brown (Labour)
2007 (Majority) def. Edward Leigh (Conservative), Ming Campbell (Liberal Democrat)
2012-2020: Edward Leigh (Conservative)
2012 (Minority) def. Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)
2015 (Majority) def. David Miliband (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrat)

Leader of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition since 2015

2015-2017: Diane Abbott (Labour)
2017-2020: The Skeletal Wight of Theodore Roosevelt (Labour)

i think the POD is fairly obvious

EDIT: also this is literally thandes fault so you can actually Blame @Thande

 

[Uhura's Mazda]

i had a stupid thought this morning

pls forgive me

I'm not 100% sure what this is Mumby but I love you and I want to have your babies.

These are the basic facts of the matter.

 

[Mumby]

I'm not 100% sure what this is Mumby but I love you and I want to have your babies.

These are the basic facts of the matter.

You see David.

I was reading Thande's NSIAM which he has dubbed Death Town.

And in that they use the old meaning of 'dude' not infrequently, as in a wealthy Easterner going West and playing at ranching and cowboying.

Then thanks to Meadow, I saw a tweet by Jess Phillips which is the quote at the top of the list.

David.

Thanks to Thande, I couldn't get the image of cowboy dudes out of my head.

I had to make a 19th century wealthy wannabe cowboy leader of Labour.

Do you see David.



It does actually have a POD and there is a reason why those people become PM or hold elections when they do, but the premise is so batshit insane, I thought it would be fun to leave people to wonder WTF.

 

[Tzaero]

Losing Dick
When everyone goes too far..

Presidents of the United States of America (First Republic):

1953-1958: Dwight Eisenhower/Richard Nixon (Republican) [1]

def. Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman (Democratic)
def. Adlai Stevenson/Estes Kefauver (Democratic)​

1958-1961: Dwight Eisenhower/Thomas Dewey (Republican) [2]
1961-1965: Nelson Rockefeller/Goodwin Knight (Republican) [3]

def. John F. Kennedy/Albert Gore (Democratic) [4]​

1965-1973: Henry Jackson/J. William Fulbright (Democratic) [5]

def. Nelson Rockefeller/Goodwin Knight (Republican)
def. George Romney/Spiro Agnew (Republican)​

1973-1981: Peter H. Dominick/Winthrop Rockefeller (Republican) [6]

def. J. William Fulbright/Edmund Muskie (Democratic)
def. Mike Gravel/Jimmy Carter (Democratic)​

1981-1983: Jeanne Kirkpatrick/Reubin Askew (Democratic) [7]

def. George Bush/Paul Laxalt (Republican)​

1983: Robert Bergland/Vacant (Democratic) [8]


Chairmen of the United States Restoration Administration:

1983-1991: Robert Bergland (Non-Partisan)
1991-1997: Ray Marshall (Non-Partisan)


Presidents of the United States of America (Second Republic):

1997-2003: Cecil D. Andrus/Bruce Babbit (Progressive) [9]

def. Mark Hatfield/John R. McKernan Jr. (Constitutionalist)​

2003-2009: Mike Leavitt/Bob Kastin (Constitutionalist) [10]

def. Bruce Babbit/Tom Daschle (Progressive)​

2009-2015: Gary Johnson/John Thune (Constitutionalist) [11]

def. Tom Daschle/Angus King (Progressive)​

2015-Present: John Baldacci/Herb Kohl (Progressive) [12]

def. John Thune/Lindsay Graham [13] (Constitutionalist)
​

[1] On a visit to Venezuela Nixon is unexpectedly killed by protestors. The same year Mao unexpectedly dies and USSR/PRC relations recover.
[2] Eisenhower attempts to revive Dewey's political career by appointing VP and setting him up for 1960.
[3] However after all his past defeats he still isn't popular and is upstaged by Nelson Rockefeller.
[4] After too much animosity, Kennedy appoints Gore VP.
[5] In a extremely divided convention between Liberals and Southerners that ends up deadlocked, Jackson is chosen as the compromise.
Jackson starts a streak of Hawkish presidents. He pisses off Indonesia and Australia under Labor with an intervention in Java.
[6] The conservative wing's champion. Presided over crises in the middle-east. Relations with the Comintern continue to worsen.
[7] A rising star of a new Democratic politics. The first female president. Attempted to finally push the exhausted USSR over the edge which resulted in an unexpected nuclear exchange.
[8] The surviving most senior Democratic cabinet member. Established the restoration administration to connect the various survivors and state governments.
After compromises were made a looser union was restored from the recovering states.
[9] Elected on a platform of progressive federalism and environmentalism. Responsible for the push for solar renewables.
[10] Elected due to perceived overreach by the government and marginalization of the religious. Controversial for his views of polygamy.
[11] Elected on a close margin this construction magnate attempted to temper the social conservatism that party had become known for. Attempted to mend relations with the Oceanic Prosperity Community which his predecessor had damaged.
[12] The progressive hope that returned the party back to the White House.
[13] Former member of the military well known for his leadership in the Great Trek which had US citizens navigating the nuclear wasteland of Europe to home.


The British Student Uprising
A nation torn apart by an intervention abroad.

1963-1968: Quintin Hogg (Conservative)
1964 (majority) def. George Brown (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1967 (minority) def. Harold Wilson (Labour), Jo Grimond (Liberal)
1968-1969: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1969-19??: John Stonehouse (Labour)
1969 (majority) def. Edward Heath (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)

Something I originally planned for A Death at a Pool Party but ended up scrapping.
Stonehouse's role is akin to Jim Cairns was in Australia's anti-war protests except John here challenges the party's leadership and wins.

 

[Cevolian]

MADAM WEST WING
Well it's certainly political theatre...​

1997-2001: Josiah Bartlet/John Hoynes (Democratic)
2001-2001: Josiah Bartlet/vacant (Democratic)
2001-2001: Glen Allen Walken/vacant (Republican) acting
2001-2001: Josiah Bartlet/vacant (Democratic)
2001-2005: Josiah Bartlet/Robert Russel Jr. (Democratic)
2005-2013: Matt Santos/Lewis Berryhill (Democratic)
2013-2015: Conrad Dalton/Mark Delgado (Republican)
2015-2015: Elizabeth McCord/vacant (Republican) acting
2015-2016: Conrad Dalton/Mark Delgado (Republican)
2016-20---: Conrad Dalton/Elizabeth McCord (Republican)

Having seen that the Chief of Staff in Madam Secretary (a slightly crappy drama about a American Secretary of State and later Vice President) also turned up in The West Wing as part of Walken's team I decided to rationalise the two as being set in the same universe. For some reason the West Wing has Bartlet's term start in 1999, so I move down it back two years to 1997 to sort out the timeline. With little said about the previous administration in MS I decided to give Santos the full two years with Bartlet's former Secretary of State (and first choice for VP) as Vice President. Since the Republican Party of the West Wing seems much more moderate than the one IOTL, and because the Dalton administration seems like a neocon grouping run entirely by former Intelligence Officials, I made them Republicans... it's definitely a mess, and that's without even doing the defeated candidates which I may add later...

 

[KingCrawa]

MADAM WEST WING
Well it's certainly political theatre...​

1997-2001: Josiah Bartlet/John Hoynes (Democratic)
2001-2001: Josiah Bartlet/vacant (Democratic)
2001-2001: Glen Allen Walken/vacant (Republican) acting
2001-2001: Josiah Bartlet/vacant (Democratic)
2001-2005: Josiah Bartlet/Robert Russel Jr. (Democratic)
2005-2013: Matt Santos/Lewis Berryhill (Democratic)
2013-2015: Conrad Dalton/Mark Delgado (Republican)
2015-2015: Elizabeth McCord/vacant (Republican) acting
2015-2016: Conrad Dalton/Mark Delgado (Republican)
2016-20---: Conrad Dalton/Elizabeth McCord (Republican)

Having seen that the Chief of Staff in Madam Secretary (a slightly crappy drama about a American Secretary of State and later Vice President) also turned up in The West Wing as part of Walken's team I decided to rationalise the two as being set in the same universe. For some reason the West Wing has Bartlet's term start in 1999, so I move down it back two years to 1997 to sort out the timeline. With little said about the previous administration in MS I decided to give Santos the full two years with Bartlet's former Secretary of State (and first choice for VP) as Vice President. Since the Republican Party of the West Wing seems much more moderate than the one IOTL, and because the Dalton administration seems like a neocon grouping run entirely by former Intelligence Officials, I made them Republicans... it's definitely a mess, and that's without even doing the defeated candidates which I may add later...

This is pretty good. Only problem is Dalton is stated to be a Democrat. Or have you changed it for effect?

 

[Cevolian]

This is pretty good. Only problem is Dalton is stated to be a Democrat. Or have you changed it for effect?

I vaguely remembered that but didn't actually know if I knew it or had just surmised, but yes I've changed it for effect! I get that McCord is meant to be Clinton, but their whole administration seem more like Neoconservatives than Democrats, especially not the democrats under Bartlet... plus I didn't think Republicans ruling from 1997-2016 would be hugely plausible.

 

[Asami]

I didn't think Republicans ruling from 1997-2016 would be hugely plausible.

Unless the President elected in 1996 was literally FDR(tm), then probably not, since the Democrats ruled for 20 years (1933-1953) under FDR and Truman.

 

[Gorrister]

Alternatively, for want of a dietary change and a victory on the home front...

AN AMERICA LAID BARE, AN AMERICA MADE BETTER

2017-2022: Donald J. Trump / Michael R. Pence (Republican)
2016 def. Hillary R. Clinton / Timothy M. Kaine (Democratic)
2020 def. Tom Perriello / Kamala D. Harris (Democratic), Sheryl Sandberg / Mark Warner (Independent), Austin Petersen / Jonathen Dine (Libertarian)
2022-2022: Donald J. Trump / vacant (Republican)
2022-2025: Donald J. Trump / Kris Kobach (Republican)
2025-2029: Donald J. Trump / Michael T. Flynn (Republican)
2024 def. Seth Moulton / Catherine Cortez Masto (Democratic), Mark Zuckerberg / Aaron Day (New Coalition for Change)
2029-2030: Donald J. Trump / Erik Prince (Republican)
2028 def. Jeff Jackson / Stacey Abrams (Democratic), Mark Zuckerberg / Li Guangyao (New Coalition for Change), Erin Baker / Jack Parks (Libertarian), Rosa Clemente / Cecily McMillan (Green)
2030-2030: Erik Prince / vacant (Republican)
2030-2037: Erik Prince / Sean Price (Republican)
2032 def. Jason Carter / Mark Muller (Democratic), Erin Baker / Derek Parnell (Libertarian), Lee McDonald / Iris du Pont (New Coalition for Change)