List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
What's interesting is if you just google 'Hillary Clinton Vice president', you get three recurring names: Evan Bayh, Tom Vilsack, and Wesley Clark.
Funny that.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Do understand the point I'm getting at; I'm not trying to discourage you, but instead point out that fairly quick research that can help the list greatly. Not saying crawl through books and write a dissertation, or do a million footnotes (though they do help), but it's just the little and blatant things like Clinton's VP being a man who at that point was seen as scumbag No.1 in the press instead of the ones she considered IoTL that sticks out like the sorest of thumbs and lets it down.
TransUral Empire - All Too Real, All Too Possible
All Too Real, All Too Possible
2016-2019: Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican)
2015 def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic)
2020: Mike Pence/None (Republican) [1]
2020-2021: Jim Justice/Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) [2]
2020 def. Mike Pence/Lindsay Graham (Republican)
2021-2021: Tulsi Gabbard/None (Democratic) [3]
2021-2024: Tulsi Gabbard/Julian Castro (Democratic)
2024: Tulsi Gabbard (Lord of Darkness) [4]
2025-98631: Marduk (Non-Partisan) [5]
98631-????: Jill Stein/John Q. Taxpayer Jr. (Green)
98631 def: Marduk (Non-Partisan)
[1]: Donald Trump is found dead in his tub after a heart attack, Mike Pence succeeds to the Presidency.
[2]: Jim Justice won the Democratic primary after a high-risk game of arm wrestling and Tulsi Gabbard becomes his running mate after coming second in the arm wrestling competition.
[3]: Jim Justice disappears while swimming in Lake Michigan, Tulsi Gabbard succeeds to the Presidency.
[4]: Tulsi Gabbard reveals her evil intentions on a live broadcast: She intends to revive the Babylonian god Marduk so that he may reign on earth for 100,000 years as the Dark Lord.
[5]: Marduk balances the budget and sets up elaborate death camps for the entire human population. Is defeated by Jill Stein in the election of 98631 after forgetting to register for the election.
2016-2019: Donald Trump/Mike Pence (Republican)
2015 def. Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine (Democratic)
2020: Mike Pence/None (Republican) [1]
2020-2021: Jim Justice/Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic) [2]
2020 def. Mike Pence/Lindsay Graham (Republican)
2021-2021: Tulsi Gabbard/None (Democratic) [3]
2021-2024: Tulsi Gabbard/Julian Castro (Democratic)
2024: Tulsi Gabbard (Lord of Darkness) [4]
2025-98631: Marduk (Non-Partisan) [5]
98631-????: Jill Stein/John Q. Taxpayer Jr. (Green)
98631 def: Marduk (Non-Partisan)
[1]: Donald Trump is found dead in his tub after a heart attack, Mike Pence succeeds to the Presidency.
[2]: Jim Justice won the Democratic primary after a high-risk game of arm wrestling and Tulsi Gabbard becomes his running mate after coming second in the arm wrestling competition.
[3]: Jim Justice disappears while swimming in Lake Michigan, Tulsi Gabbard succeeds to the Presidency.
[4]: Tulsi Gabbard reveals her evil intentions on a live broadcast: She intends to revive the Babylonian god Marduk so that he may reign on earth for 100,000 years as the Dark Lord.
[5]: Marduk balances the budget and sets up elaborate death camps for the entire human population. Is defeated by Jill Stein in the election of 98631 after forgetting to register for the election.
@Premier Taylerov that list is a thing of beuaty! Stop doing the Uhura's Mumbolian thing better than me! 
Seriously though that's a brilliant and fantastically creative list mate
Seriously though that's a brilliant and fantastically creative list mate
No obviously not. Footnotes are so passé - it's massive fuck off paragraphs that are the future, Shifty.
I did, very much.
EDIT: Although apparently I never actually liked it which is a huge oversight on my part
if this thread has thought me anything is that this needs more Tulsa Gabbard
Clearly what we need is an ASB Timeline featuring an election between Woodrow Wilson/ Tulsi Gabbard and Donald Trump / Donald Rumsfeld.
Then watch as the biggest flame war in history erupts.
Then watch as the biggest flame war in history erupts.
Sithlent - Power, Persecution, and the Police State
Power, Persecution, and the Police State
1969–1973: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic) [1]
1968 Def. George Romney / Norris Cotton (Republican), George S. McGovern / John Tower (Independent Republican)
1973–1976†: George S. McGovern / Alexander Haig (Republican) [2]
1972 Def. Hubert Humphrey / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic), Charles Mathias / Howard Baker (Independent)
1976–1976: Alexander Haig / None (Republican) [3]
1976–1985: Alexander Haig / Jim Rhodes (Republican) [4] [5]
1976 Def. Birch Bayh / Cliff Finch (Democratic), Howard Baker / Roman Gribbs (National Coalition)
1980 Def. Alan Cranston / Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1985–1993: Daniel Patrick Moynihan / Jim Wright (Democratic) [6] [7]
1984 Def. John Connally / Al D'Amato (Republican), John V. Lindsay / Larry Mellon (National Coalition)
1988 Def. Jim Thompson / Mack Mattingly (Republican)
1993–1997: Jim Wright / Bruce Babbitt (Democratic) [8]
1992 Def. Thomas Kean / Bob Dole (Republican)
1997–2005: Tom Pickering / George Voinovich (Republican) [9] [10]
1996 Def. Bruce Babbitt / James Blanchard (Democratic)
2000 Def. Zell Miller / Dick Gephardt (Democratic), Dennis Kucinich / Ed Markey (Independent)
2005–2011†: George Voinovich / Mitt Romney (Republican) [11] [12]
2004 Def. Evan Bayh / Bob Graham (Democratic)
2008 Def. John Edwards / Jeanne Shaheen (Democratic)
2011–2013: Mitt Romney / Kit Bond (Republican) [13]
2013–present: Bill Clinton / Bob Casey Jr. (Democratic) [14]
2012 Def. Mitt Romney / Kit Bond (Republican)
Footnotes will be up eventually, but the general premise is that George McGovern is the exact political opposite of himself in OTL — instead of being a hardcore New Left liberal who supposedly supports "acid, amnesty, and abortion", Senator (and eventually President) McGovern is now a hardcore Reagan-esque conservative that is stereotypically portrayed as a supporter of "power, persecution, and the police state". He'd probably also be praised by the modern GOP as a shining example of the modern conservative even though he would no doubt be cast down as a RINO by 2016's standards. There are also a few other OTL divergences in here as well, including a more left-leaning and centrist Howard Baker who never becomes a Tennessee Senator and instead co-founds TTL's equivalent to the Reform Party, and a variety of other small divergences.
1969–1973: Hubert Humphrey / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic) [1]
1968 Def. George Romney / Norris Cotton (Republican), George S. McGovern / John Tower (Independent Republican)
1973–1976†: George S. McGovern / Alexander Haig (Republican) [2]
1972 Def. Hubert Humphrey / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic), Charles Mathias / Howard Baker (Independent)
1976–1976: Alexander Haig / None (Republican) [3]
1976–1985: Alexander Haig / Jim Rhodes (Republican) [4] [5]
1976 Def. Birch Bayh / Cliff Finch (Democratic), Howard Baker / Roman Gribbs (National Coalition)
1980 Def. Alan Cranston / Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
1985–1993: Daniel Patrick Moynihan / Jim Wright (Democratic) [6] [7]
1984 Def. John Connally / Al D'Amato (Republican), John V. Lindsay / Larry Mellon (National Coalition)
1988 Def. Jim Thompson / Mack Mattingly (Republican)
1993–1997: Jim Wright / Bruce Babbitt (Democratic) [8]
1992 Def. Thomas Kean / Bob Dole (Republican)
1997–2005: Tom Pickering / George Voinovich (Republican) [9] [10]
1996 Def. Bruce Babbitt / James Blanchard (Democratic)
2000 Def. Zell Miller / Dick Gephardt (Democratic), Dennis Kucinich / Ed Markey (Independent)
2005–2011†: George Voinovich / Mitt Romney (Republican) [11] [12]
2004 Def. Evan Bayh / Bob Graham (Democratic)
2008 Def. John Edwards / Jeanne Shaheen (Democratic)
2011–2013: Mitt Romney / Kit Bond (Republican) [13]
2013–present: Bill Clinton / Bob Casey Jr. (Democratic) [14]
2012 Def. Mitt Romney / Kit Bond (Republican)
Footnotes will be up eventually, but the general premise is that George McGovern is the exact political opposite of himself in OTL — instead of being a hardcore New Left liberal who supposedly supports "acid, amnesty, and abortion", Senator (and eventually President) McGovern is now a hardcore Reagan-esque conservative that is stereotypically portrayed as a supporter of "power, persecution, and the police state". He'd probably also be praised by the modern GOP as a shining example of the modern conservative even though he would no doubt be cast down as a RINO by 2016's standards. There are also a few other OTL divergences in here as well, including a more left-leaning and centrist Howard Baker who never becomes a Tennessee Senator and instead co-founds TTL's equivalent to the Reform Party, and a variety of other small divergences.
BlackentheBorg - The Gabbardening
BlackentheBorg
Banned
2021 - 2024: Bernie Sanders/Tulsi Gabbard
Mike Pence/Darryl Glenn
2024 - 2024: Tusli Gabbard[1]/[vacant]
2025 - 2029: Tulsi Gabbard/Chris Murphy
Tom Cotton/Kris Kobach
2029 - 2033: Nikki Haley/George Brauchler
Chris Murphy/Thomas Perez
2033 - 2035: Elizabeth Warren/Ruben Gallego
Nikki Haley/George Brauchler
2035 - 2035: Ruben Gallego/[vacant]
2035 - 2045: Ruben Gallego/Tulsi Gabbard[2]
Tom Graves/Eric Cantor
George P. Bush/George LeMieux
2045 - 2059: Tulsi Gabbard[3]/P.G. Sittenfeld
Elsie Stefanik/Adam Kinzinger
2059 - 2067: Aaron Schock/Luke Phillips
Tulsi Gabbard/P.G. Sittenfeld
Mahlon Mitchell/Steve Simon
2067 - 2071: Luke Phillips/Devon Kurtz
Julia Khan/Jeremy Cronig
2071 - ????: Nikolao Gabbard[4]/Alexa Weinstein
Luke Phillips/Devon Kurtz
[1]: Runs as a placeholder after Bernie dies from a stroke. Decides not to run for second term.
[2]: Is picked for VP by Gallego after Warren suffers a similar fate. Think of that proposed Reagan/Ford bit.
[3]: Runs again in '45 because technically she was only really elected once.
[4]: One of her fictional kids, kinda like a Democratic Dubya.
TPL99 - A Not Real List
A Not Real List
2017-2017: Donald Trump† (R-NY) / Mike Pence (R-IN) [1]
2016: Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2017-2018: Mike Pence† (R-IN) / [vacant] [2]
2018-2018: Paul Ryan† (R-WI) / [vacant] [3]
2018-2018: Orrin Hatch† (R-UT) / [vacant] [4]
2018-2018: Rex Tillersonˆ (R-TX) / [vacant] [5]
2018-2019: Steve Scalise (R-LA) / [vacant]
2019-2019: Steve Scalise† (R-LA) / Rick Perry (R-TX) [6]
2019-2019: Rick Perry† (R-TX) / [vacant] [7]
2019-2019: Steny Hoyer (D-MD) / [vacant] [8]
2019-2020: Mitch McConnell (R-KY) / [vacant] [9]
2020-2020: Colin Baker (I-DC) / [vacant]
2020-2021: Colin Baker (I-DC) / Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) [10]
2021-: Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) / John Bel Edwards (D-LA) [11]
2020: Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Ben Sasse (R-NE)
[1] Trump has been killed in November 22, 2017 in US-Mexico border by a eagle who carried a brick who fall on Donald's head killing him immediately.
[2] President Pence died by unclarified causes in February 16, 2018, but many theories appoint for a death likely of French president Félix Faure in 1899.
[3] Paul Ryan, after sworn in, revealed a childhood dream: descend the Niagara Falls on a barrel. He made it, and passed in April 1, 2018.
[4] 84-years-old President Hatch made a self-criticism saying what needed an "update" and started to found memes. After this, he (along Senators McConnell, Graham and McCain) asked if they are real villain. They said "technically not". After try to teach they to be villain, President Hatch was launched by a cannon and perished in July 25, 2018.
[5] SoS under his late four presidents, Tillerson tried to govern, but after a poisoned Pepsi drink, he gone crazy thinking de facto, he was a Tyrannosaurus rex. He was declared incapacited in October 31, 2018.
[6] Same saying dozen of times of his non-envolvement with Klan, President Scalise's body was found burned in New Orleans in June 6, 2019 along with a white strange clothes.
[7] Former Secretary of Energy and Governor of Texas, Rick Perry sworn as VP two months before Scalise's death, but, unlucky as he is, Lucifer had come to Earth in night of September 7, 2019 and took his soul after bet with him if he knew the name of three departments that would be extinguished by him the next day.
[8] The 80-years-old President Hoyer was controversial as Speaker, but gone crazy (not like Tillerson) in White House. He died after a drunkenness and drive the offical helicopter drunk thinking he was Santa Claus and crashed in the Capitol, causing minor damages on the structure in December 24, 2019.
[9] After 13 days as President, McConnell revealed his true face as the real Valeyard and started the Doom Era, closing the Congress and abolishing the Constitution of 1787. After intense months of battle, Colin Baker has join the Rebel Army and shooting Valeyard-McConnell with a shoe in his face, he was defeated in March 16, 2020.
[10] The reopened Congress approved the 28th (repealing the 25th) and 29th Amendment (Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment) putting Congress to elect, indirectly, a President in absence of a President and VP. So, unanimously, Colin Baker, hero of Second Civil War and the man who ended the Doom Era, has been elected president promising to lead USA to order until January 20, 2021. Unfortunately, after President Warren president drink party he drank carrot juice and died some hours after his departure of White House, appearing like in distress.
[11] After an intense battle in the still hot coals of Second Civil War, "Super Betty" has been elected 55th President against a boring, but the last leader, of GOP, Mitt Romney. Who'll happen after January 21, 2021? Who knows!
2017-2017: Donald Trump† (R-NY) / Mike Pence (R-IN) [1]
2016: Hillary Clinton (D-NY) / Tim Kaine (D-VA)
2017-2018: Mike Pence† (R-IN) / [vacant] [2]
2018-2018: Paul Ryan† (R-WI) / [vacant] [3]
2018-2018: Orrin Hatch† (R-UT) / [vacant] [4]
2018-2018: Rex Tillersonˆ (R-TX) / [vacant] [5]
2018-2019: Steve Scalise (R-LA) / [vacant]
2019-2019: Steve Scalise† (R-LA) / Rick Perry (R-TX) [6]
2019-2019: Rick Perry† (R-TX) / [vacant] [7]
2019-2019: Steny Hoyer (D-MD) / [vacant] [8]
2019-2020: Mitch McConnell (R-KY) / [vacant] [9]
2020-2020: Colin Baker (I-DC) / [vacant]
2020-2021: Colin Baker (I-DC) / Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) [10]
2021-: Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) / John Bel Edwards (D-LA) [11]
2020: Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Ben Sasse (R-NE)
[1] Trump has been killed in November 22, 2017 in US-Mexico border by a eagle who carried a brick who fall on Donald's head killing him immediately.
[2] President Pence died by unclarified causes in February 16, 2018, but many theories appoint for a death likely of French president Félix Faure in 1899.
[3] Paul Ryan, after sworn in, revealed a childhood dream: descend the Niagara Falls on a barrel. He made it, and passed in April 1, 2018.
[4] 84-years-old President Hatch made a self-criticism saying what needed an "update" and started to found memes. After this, he (along Senators McConnell, Graham and McCain) asked if they are real villain. They said "technically not". After try to teach they to be villain, President Hatch was launched by a cannon and perished in July 25, 2018.
[5] SoS under his late four presidents, Tillerson tried to govern, but after a poisoned Pepsi drink, he gone crazy thinking de facto, he was a Tyrannosaurus rex. He was declared incapacited in October 31, 2018.
[6] Same saying dozen of times of his non-envolvement with Klan, President Scalise's body was found burned in New Orleans in June 6, 2019 along with a white strange clothes.
[7] Former Secretary of Energy and Governor of Texas, Rick Perry sworn as VP two months before Scalise's death, but, unlucky as he is, Lucifer had come to Earth in night of September 7, 2019 and took his soul after bet with him if he knew the name of three departments that would be extinguished by him the next day.
[8] The 80-years-old President Hoyer was controversial as Speaker, but gone crazy (not like Tillerson) in White House. He died after a drunkenness and drive the offical helicopter drunk thinking he was Santa Claus and crashed in the Capitol, causing minor damages on the structure in December 24, 2019.
[9] After 13 days as President, McConnell revealed his true face as the real Valeyard and started the Doom Era, closing the Congress and abolishing the Constitution of 1787. After intense months of battle, Colin Baker has join the Rebel Army and shooting Valeyard-McConnell with a shoe in his face, he was defeated in March 16, 2020.
[10] The reopened Congress approved the 28th (repealing the 25th) and 29th Amendment (Equal Opportunity to Govern Amendment) putting Congress to elect, indirectly, a President in absence of a President and VP. So, unanimously, Colin Baker, hero of Second Civil War and the man who ended the Doom Era, has been elected president promising to lead USA to order until January 20, 2021. Unfortunately, after President Warren president drink party he drank carrot juice and died some hours after his departure of White House, appearing like in distress.
[11] After an intense battle in the still hot coals of Second Civil War, "Super Betty" has been elected 55th President against a boring, but the last leader, of GOP, Mitt Romney. Who'll happen after January 21, 2021? Who knows!
AidanM - Dewey Defeats Truman!
Dewey Defeats Truman!
1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman
def. 1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman/Vacant
1949-1957: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
def. 1948: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley
def. 1952: Hubert Humphrey/Dwight D. Eisenhower
1957-1965: W. Averell Harriman/Adlai Stevenson II
def. 1956: Earl Warren/Richard Nixon
def. 1960: Nelson Rockefeller/William Scranton
1965-1973: Barry Goldwater/Harold Stassen
def. 1964: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington
def. 1968: Eugene McCarthy/Stephen M. Young
1973-1975: Harold Stassen/George Romney
def. 1972: John Lindsay/Robert F. Kennedy
1975-1977: George Romney/Vacant [1]
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Jerry Brown [2]
def. 1976: George Romney/Gerald Ford
def. 1980: Bob Dole/John B. Anderson
1985-1989: John B. Anderson/Ben Fernandez
def. 1984: Jerry Brown/Jimmy Carter
1989-1997: Donald J. Trump/Bill Blythe III [3]
def. 1988: John B. Anderson/Ben Fernandez
def. 1992: Michael Dukakis/George H. W. Bush
1997-2005: Hillary Rodham Goldwater/John Kasich [4]
def. 1996: Bill Blythe III/Joe Biden
def. 2000: John McCain/Al Gore
2005-2013: Bill Blythe III/Wesley Clark
def. 2004: John Kasich/George W. Bush
def. 2008: Mitt Romney/Rudy Giuliani
2013-2017: Barack Obama/Paul Ryan [5]
def. 2012: John Kerry/Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
2017-present: Michael Bloomberg/Ted Cruz [6]
def. 2016: Barack Obama/Paul Ryan
[1] Harold Stassen was assassinated on December 3, 1975 by Robert Cole Brown. George Romney was inaugurated as the 38th President of the United States. Following the inauguration of Ronald Reagan two years later, an Amendment was passed that would allow a President to nominate a new Vice President following a vacancy in the position, with confirmation from both the House and the Senate.
[2] Ronald Reagan remains a Democrat after becoming dissatisfied with the first Goldwater administration in 1968.
[3] Donald Trump, in this timeline, served as the Governor of New York from 1983 until is inauguration in 1989. Bill Clinton kept his biological father's name in this timeline, and therefore goes by "Bill Blythe III".
[4] After volunteering for Barry Goldwater's campaign as a high school senior, Hillary Rodham met and started dating Barry Goldwater, Jr. Eventually, the two became married. Hillary remained a Republican for the rest of her life.
[5] Barack Obama is a Republican in this timeline after becoming inspired by how the second Goldwater administration turned the economy around.
[6] Ted Cruz became a Democrat in this timeline after Canadian healthcare saved his life as a child.
1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman
def. 1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman/Vacant
1949-1957: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
def. 1948: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley
def. 1952: Hubert Humphrey/Dwight D. Eisenhower
1957-1965: W. Averell Harriman/Adlai Stevenson II
def. 1956: Earl Warren/Richard Nixon
def. 1960: Nelson Rockefeller/William Scranton
1965-1973: Barry Goldwater/Harold Stassen
def. 1964: John F. Kennedy/Stuart Symington
def. 1968: Eugene McCarthy/Stephen M. Young
1973-1975: Harold Stassen/George Romney
def. 1972: John Lindsay/Robert F. Kennedy
1975-1977: George Romney/Vacant [1]
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Jerry Brown [2]
def. 1976: George Romney/Gerald Ford
def. 1980: Bob Dole/John B. Anderson
1985-1989: John B. Anderson/Ben Fernandez
def. 1984: Jerry Brown/Jimmy Carter
1989-1997: Donald J. Trump/Bill Blythe III [3]
def. 1988: John B. Anderson/Ben Fernandez
def. 1992: Michael Dukakis/George H. W. Bush
1997-2005: Hillary Rodham Goldwater/John Kasich [4]
def. 1996: Bill Blythe III/Joe Biden
def. 2000: John McCain/Al Gore
2005-2013: Bill Blythe III/Wesley Clark
def. 2004: John Kasich/George W. Bush
def. 2008: Mitt Romney/Rudy Giuliani
2013-2017: Barack Obama/Paul Ryan [5]
def. 2012: John Kerry/Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
2017-present: Michael Bloomberg/Ted Cruz [6]
def. 2016: Barack Obama/Paul Ryan
[1] Harold Stassen was assassinated on December 3, 1975 by Robert Cole Brown. George Romney was inaugurated as the 38th President of the United States. Following the inauguration of Ronald Reagan two years later, an Amendment was passed that would allow a President to nominate a new Vice President following a vacancy in the position, with confirmation from both the House and the Senate.
[2] Ronald Reagan remains a Democrat after becoming dissatisfied with the first Goldwater administration in 1968.
[3] Donald Trump, in this timeline, served as the Governor of New York from 1983 until is inauguration in 1989. Bill Clinton kept his biological father's name in this timeline, and therefore goes by "Bill Blythe III".
[4] After volunteering for Barry Goldwater's campaign as a high school senior, Hillary Rodham met and started dating Barry Goldwater, Jr. Eventually, the two became married. Hillary remained a Republican for the rest of her life.
[5] Barack Obama is a Republican in this timeline after becoming inspired by how the second Goldwater administration turned the economy around.
[6] Ted Cruz became a Democrat in this timeline after Canadian healthcare saved his life as a child.
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