List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

[Asami]

List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
The go-to place to dump your poorly-written (or masterfully written) presidential, monarchistic, dictatorial or whatever lists-- all lists are welcome and encouraged!
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[Cevolian]

Ok, so the list I had prepped in my test thread to post here first deleted itself, so none of you are allowed to post until I've rewritten it

 

[shiftygiant]

1979-1988: Margret Thatcher (Conservative)
def. 1979: Jim Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
def. 1983: Michael Foot (Labour), David Steel (Liberal), Roy Jenkins (Social Democrats)
1988-1993: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
def. 1988: Margret Thatcher (Conservative Party), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/Social Democratic Alliance)
1993-1995: Norman Tebbit (Conservative)
def. 1993: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Alex Carlile (Social and Liberal Democrats), David Owen ('Continuity' Social Democratic)
1995-????: Gordon Brown (Labour)
def. 1995: Norman Tebbit (Conservative), Alex Carlile (Social and Liberal Democrats), Malcolm Rifkind (Unionist)

So the idea is that the Falklands never happens, and without the patriotic surge 1983 isn't such a big victory for Thatcher. The Brighton Bomb attack is subsequently butterflied, with the Conservatives winning 1983 without the big increase (instead doing around 30% of the vote and 340 seats). Kinnock subsequently wins the next election, and runs the Country about as well as expected. Tebbit becomes Tory leader, and wins the next election on a 'law and order' campaign, and slips in with a narrow majority. The majority quickly erodes, with Brown coming in and winning a respectably large majority whilst the Scottish wing of the Conservative Party just up and leaves.

 

[Zaffre]

Best of luck for the new thread!

 

[Brundlefly]

After the recent US election, here's a new version of a German-US analogue list (did one in the old thread, but I wasn't that happy with it).


1948-1952: Ernst Reuter / Kurt Schumacher (SPD)
def. Jakob Kaiser / Wilhelm Külz (CDU/CSU), Kurt-Georg Kiesinger / Theodor Oberländer (GB/BHE)

1952-1960: Erwin von Witzleben / Franz-Josef Strauß (CDU/CSU)
def. Carlo Schmid / Wilhelm Hoegner (SPD)
1956 def. Carlo Schmid / Erwin Schoettle (SPD)

1960-1963: Willy Brandt / Gustav Heinemann (SPD)
def. Franz-Josef Strauß / Eugen Gerstenmaier (CDU/CSU)

1963-1964: Gustav Heinemann (SPD)
1964-1968: Gustav Heinemann / Herbert Wehner (SPD)
def. Ludwig Erhardt / Walter Hallstein (CDU/CSU)

1968-1973: Franz-Josef Strauß / Karl Carstens (CDU/CSU)
def. Herbert Wehner / Karl Schiller (SPD), Hans Filbinger / Ulrich de Maizière (NPD)
1973-1974: Franz-Josef Strauß / Rainer Barzel (CDU/CSU)
def. Peter von Oertzen / Egon Bahr (SPD)

1974-1976: Rainer Barzel / Richard von Weizsäcker (CDU/CSU)

1976-1980: Erhard Eppler / Johannes Rau (SPD)
def. Rainer Barzel / Helmut Kohl (CDU/CSU)

1980-1988: Lothar Späth / Heribert Hellenbroich (CDU/CSU)
def. Erhard Eppler / Johannes Rau (SPD), Norbert Blüm / Klaus von Dohnanyi (Free Voters)
1984 def. Johannes Rau / Ingrid Matthäus-Meyer (SPD)

1988-1992: Heribert Hellenbroich / Matthias Wissmann (CDU/CSU)
def. Björn Engholm / Hans-Jochen Vogel (SPD)

1992-2000: Gerhard Schröder / Joschka Fischer (SPD)
def. Heribert Hellenbroich / Matthias Wissmann (CDU/CSU), Dietmar Hopp / Dieter Wellershoff (Free Voters)
1996 def. Helmut Kohl / Gerhard Meyer-Vorfelder (CDU/CSU), Dietmar Hopp / Joachim Starbatty (Pro DM)

2000-2008: Roland Koch / Steffen Heitmann (CDU/CSU)
def. Joschka Fischer / Günther Verheugen (SPD), Hans-Christian Ströbele / Freya Klier (Greens)
2004 def. Franz Müntefering / Matthias Platzeck (SPD)

2008-2016: Karamba Diaby / Wolfgang Tiefensee (SPD)
def. Manfred Wörner / Kristina Schröder (CDU/CSU)
2012 def. Dieter Althaus / Friedrich Merz (CDU/CSU)

2016- : Uli Hoeneß / Günther Oettinger (CDU/CSU)
def. Gesine Schwan / Ralf Stegner (SPD)


Trump was a bit of a tricky one, as I dabbled with two other options. My first ideas were pop music producer/professional TV nerve-wracker Dieter Bohlen (as he's both more vulgar and sexist than Uli Hoeneß, plus he also oozes Trump's nouveau riche vibe) or developer Jürgen Schneider (similar career like Trump; he's also been involved in quite a few large scandals - unlike Trump, he went to jail, though). But I think Hoeneß fits better, because like Trump he always had connections to the political scene, and he's more of an ultimate "love him or hate him"-figure. And I guess unlike the other two, he'd probably also play the economically populist "man of the people" card during an election campaign.

 

[Cevolian]

Ok, my first list of the thread. Hope you all like it! (Major credit to @Uhura's Mazda whose last list this is heavily inspired by and @Comisario who came up with some of the stuff about Elliot in a PM list game we participated in).

A STEADY STATE
The wonders a firm hand can bring...​

1935-1937: Austen Chamberlain (National Government of Conservatives, National Liberals, National Independents and National Labour)

When the Abyssinian Crisis forced Stanley Baldwin to resign in 1935, Austen Chamberlain was brought in as the only figure who could command the support of enough in the house to keep the National Government standing. An opponent of appeasement, Chamberlain recommitted Britain to the concept of collective security, using the power of economic sanctions and committing to rearmament to "remind" facist Germany and Italy of the dangers of war. With a "Second Entente" formed between Britain, France, Poland, and Czechoslovakia and Germany contained, Chamberlain stepped down as PM in 1937 due to health concerns, dying just a few minutes this later. The only blip in his premiership was the "Abdication Crisis" of 1936, but aside from a few young appeasers breaking away from the Conservative party to sit as "King's Men" little came of it...

1937-1943: Walter Elliot (National Government of Conservatives, National Liberals, National Independents and National Labour)
def 1939 - Clement Attlee (Labour), John Simon (National Liberal), Herbert Samuel (Liberal), Phillip Sassoon (King's), Ramsay MacDonald (National Labour)

The popular First Secretary of State and Home Secretary Walter Elliot took over from Chamberlain as Prime Minister, continuing the government'S policies towards Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy. When Hitler tried to bully and cajole Austria into joining the "Third Reich" in 1938, Elliot out his foot down and said that the cost of any annexation would be war to enforce the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler backed down, and Elliot was widely praised, winning the Nobel Peace Prize that year, along with the French foreign minister. His government's implementation of "New Deal" policies following the 1939 election (which he had campaigned on the concept of a "Doctor's Mandate" in brought Britain on the road to recovery. Before the dissolution of Parliament for an election a number of technocrats were brought into high office, including John Anderson (an "Independent National") as Chancellor and the geographer and geostrategist Halford Mackinder (a Conservative elected on Elliot's urging in 1939) as Foreign Secretary. The ambitious young Anthony Eden was made First Secretary of State and Home Secretary, and was widely seen as the heir presumptive going into 1943.

1943-1944: Walter Elliot (National Majority)
def 1943 - Stafford Cripps (Labour-"Left" Liberal-Communist "Popular Front"), Herbert Samuel/Leslie Hore-Belisha (Liberal/"Continuity" National Liberal Alliance), Herbert Morison (Social Democratic)

The parties of government finally united in 1943 to form the "National Party", although a few National Liberals joined with the Liberal Party to avoid uniting with the increasingly interventionist Tories. Elliot won out against a far-left Popular Front made up of Cripps' Labour, Beveridgite Liberals avoiding alliance with Hoare-Belisha and the deeply unpopular Communists. With another large majority ensured, Elliot handed over to Anthony Eden...

1944-1948: Anthony Eden (National Majority)

After over a decade of National rule (either for the government or party) Eden was destined to have a difficult time. Leading the party into the new "European Steel and Coal Community" (designed to prevent war through economic entanglement), Eden received backslash from the left and the extreme right of his own party. Transitioning into a new era which pitted the Capitalist west against the Communist East (following the conclusion of the Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Nationalist-Communist United Front brining China into the Soviet orbit), Eden's biggest success was in fact Mackinder's - brining the USA into the Entente. In 1948 Eden was forced to call an election, and went down in a blaze of mediocrity despite a divided left...

1948-1953: Megan Lloyd-George (Social Democratic-Socialist Labour-Action Coalition)
def 1948 - Anthony Eden (National), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal), Stafford Cripps (Socialist Labour), Ernest Millington (Action), Various ("Right" Independent Liberals), Various (Anti-ESCC Nationals)

Coming to office at the end of the period of prosperity following the Depression, Megan Lloyd-George led a disparate coalition... The new Social Democraic Party was roughly the right of Labour and some of the left liberals, the Socialist Labour Party the Crippisite Labour left and a scattered assortment of ILP members Communists and Socialists, and the radically libertarian socialist "Action" Party was formed of a handful of left liberals and dissatisfied former Labour members. Britain's first female premier had genuinely noble intentions, seeking to create a "Fair Society" and modelling herself on a mixture of FDR and her own father. Unable to reach a compromise on anything, the coalition wheeled out a disastrous "National Health Association" and commenced with failed coal and steel nationalisations. The collapse of the "Great Northern Rail" project which it had opposed led the Action Party to pull support from the coalition and bring down the government...

1953-19---: Noel Skelton (National-Unionist-Liberal Coalition)
def 1953 - Megan Lloyd-George (Social Democratic), Peter Thornycroft (Unionist), Nye Bevan (Socialist Labour), Clement Davies (Liberal), Richard Acland (Action), Rajani Palme-Dutt ("Continuity" Communist)

Having suffered a brief Cancer scare in the thirties, Noel Skelton returned to government under Elliot, then served first as President of the Board of Trade and then Chancellor under Eden. Advocating "Industrial Democracy", he was securely to the technocratic left of the National Party. His ascension to the left solidified the split between the right and mainstream of the party, but he was able to form an amicable alliance with the new "Unionist" party (made up of the largely Classical Liberal right wings of the former Conservative and National Liberal parties). Whilst forced to moderate his policies by more laissez-faire coalition partners, Skelton's first months in office nevertheless saw the teasing of Britian's first nuclear bomb and the future of his government looks bright...

 

[KiwiEater]

>When you get last post on the first thread

 

[Japhy]

You could have at least started the new one with an actual list...

 

[Cevolian]

You could have at least started the new one with an actual list...

I had a list all prepped and ready for it as well...

 

[shiftygiant]

Anyway, here's something:

1979-1986: Margret Thatcher (Conservative)
def. 1979: James Callaghan (Labour), David Steel (Liberal)
def. 1983: Michael Foot (Labour), David Steel/Roy Jenkins (Liberal/Social Democratic Alliance)
1986-1989: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative)
def. 1988 (Social Democratic Supply and Confidence): Neil Kinnock (Labour), David Steel/David Owen (Liberal/Social Democratic Alliance)
1989-1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
def. 1989: Cecil Parkinson (Conservative), David Steel/Lord Hillhead (Liberal/'anti-Government' Social Democratic Alliance), David Owen ('pro-Government' Social Democratic)
1992-1994: Gerald Kaufman (Labour)
1994-199?: Roy Major (Conservative)
def. 1994 (Social Democratic Coalition): Gerald Kaufman (Labour), Alex Carlile (Liberal Democrats), John Cartwright (Social Democratic)

Basically, Parkinson never 'dips his wick', and as a result Thatcher steps down in 1986, thinking that he's 'ready' for the top job. He makes a bit of a pigs ear of the next couple of years and a minor recession emerged just as he has to call an election, although the advantageous position the Tories are in by the late 80's lets them hold on as the largest party, though without a majority. Owen breaks with Steel and offers Social Democratic supply and Confidence to Parkinson, resulting immediately in a split between the 'pro-Government' and 'anti-Government' factions of the SDP. Supply and Confidence lasts as long as there are Social Democrats willing to keep it going, and within a few months Parkinson is forced to go to the country once more in a bitter January election, decisively trumped by Kinnock. Kinnock has a decent few years, fairly middle of the road, but is hit by a sever economic crash in 1992, and as a result steps down. John Smith, political poison as the crash happened on his watch, is unable to run, and resultantly former Foreign Secretary Gerald Kaufman steps up, positioning himself as an alternative to the 'Red Tory' Prescott. Kaufman is Kaufman, and as a result a bright young man who made a deal with his more powerful colleagues walks though the door of Number 10 (with some help) on the promise of fiscal responsibility and a morally respectable Government...

 

[Catalunya]

Presidents of the United States of America

2001 - 2001: George W. Bush / Richard 'Dick' Cheney (Republican)
2000: Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic)

2001 - 2002: George W. Bush / vacant (Republican)

2002 - 2009: George W. Bush / Rudy Giuliani (Republican)
2004: Howard Dean / Tom Vilsack (Democrat)

2009 - 2011: Hillary Clinton / Barack Obama (Democrat)
2008: Rudy Giuliani / Tim Pawlently (Republican)

2011 - 2012: Barack Obama / vacant (Democrat)

2012 - 2013: Barack Obama / John Kerry (Democrat)

2013 - 2013: Donald Trump / Tom Tancredo (Republican)
2012: Barack Obama / John Kerry (Democrat)

Footnotes coming soon...

 

[Asami]

You could have at least started the new one with an actual list...

You could have at least not been so rude, so there.

Here is a work in progress; I haven't gotten near the end yet, because I'm still fleshing out ideas in-universe, but hey. I'll post it anyway.

First Citizen of the Human Federation (1956 - 2170)

Key:
First Citizen
List of First Ministers

1956 - 1969: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1956 - 1964: Nikita Khrushchev (All-Union) [1]
1964 - 1967: James Nesmith (All-Union) [2]
1967 - 1969: David Burke (Integrity)
1969 - 1994: Josip Broz Tito
1969 - 1975: David Burke (Integrity) [3]
1975 - 1983: Ziya al-Din Boulos (Populist Democratic) [4]
1983 - 1991: Greg Himes (Pan-Human Democratic Party) [5]
1991 - 1994: Sven Horacek (Union) [6]
1994 - 2010: Gregory Davidson
1994 - 2001: Eldred Kertész (Peace and Justice) [7]
2001 - 2010: Sigiward Opeyemi (Populist) [8]
2010 - 2034: Wayland Lourde
2010 - 2011: Sigiward Opeyemi (Populist) [9]
2011 - 2032: Jaakkima Frank (Government of National Security) [10]
2032 - 2034: Sadie Iulia Kulkarni (Reform) [11]

[1] Nikita Khrushchev was the last leader of the Soviet Union before Operation Crossroads and the evacuation of humanity to the stars. He, after the transition, as a symbol of unity between Earthlings, became the first head of government for the new monarchy-esque regime of the Human Federation. He was ousted by internal politic in 1964 when he was defeated in a leadership challenge for his party. James Nesmith succeeded him after the All-Union party won the 1964 election.

[2] James Nesmith was a disaster of a leader. While some of his domestic policies, namely the National Health Service and Combine Union were centerpieces of the 'New Human Age' policies, he suffered numerous set backs--Grand Mesa Famine. During the particularly bitter winter of 1964, the Mormon-majority colony of Grand Mesa, located in the mountainous regions north of Stronghold 'Independence' (the federal capital) was cut-off from major supply lines as heavy snowfall and blocked the Brigham Young Pass, the only way to undertake an ascent of Grand Mesa and reach the Stronghold. Despite attempts by the Air Legion (whose capacity as an arm of the military was largely logistics based) to deliver goods to the settlement, it was a significantly difficult situation to behold. In January 1965, Grand Mesa declared independence from the Human Federation due to the frustrations of the First President of the Latter-Day Saints with the central government's complete failure to respond in a "competent manner".

His party would later break up in 1966, leading to his defeat in 1967 by David Burke, one of the men advocating secession from his party.

[3] ...

 

[Japhy]

You could have at least not been so rude, so there.

That's not even remotely rude.

 

[True Grit]

That's not even remotely nude.

*raised eyebrows*

 

[Ferguson97]

Future Presidents (2017-2073)
Donald Trump/Mike Pence (2017)*
def. 2016: Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
Mike Pence/Vacant (2017)**
Paul Ryan/Kelly Ayotte (2017-2021)
Kamala Harris/Cory Booker (2021-2029)
def. 2020: Paul Ryan/Kelly Ayotte
def. 2024: Ted Cruz/Tom Cotton
Marco Rubio/Nikki Haley (2029-2037)
def. 2028: Cory Booker/Tulsi Gabbard
def. 2032: Chris Murphy/Tammy Dukworth
Tulsi Gabbard/Brian Schatz (2037-2041)
def. 2036: Rand Paul/Scott Taylor
Elise Stefanik/Jim Banks (2041-2049)
def. 2040: Tulsi Gabbard/Brian Schatz
def. 2044: Ruben Kihuen/Eric Swalwell
Joe Kennedy III/Aidan Morris (2049-2057)
def. 2048: Jim Banks/Mike Gallagher
def. 2052: Barry Goldberg/Nicole Udall
Ed Rodriguez/Olivia Wald (2057-2061)
def. 2056: Ashley Mathews/Lucas Waters
Mary Anderson/Jenna Edwards (2061-2065)
def. 2060: Ed Rodriguez/Olivia Wald
Aidan Morris/Sarah Ahmed (2065-2073)
def. 2064: Mary Anderson/Jenna Edwards
def. 2068: Janelle Jenkins/Tim Wallace

*Donald Trump was removed from office three months into his presidency after being found guilty of treason.
**Mike Pence resigned after two weeks after incriminating information linked him to the treason Trump was impeached for. Having not confirmed a Vice President, the Speaker of the House Paul Ryan ascended to the presidency.

 

[Mumby]

i never did finish this tl

Call To The People

1918-1926: William Adamson (Labour)
1918 (Coalition with other Socialists, supply and confidence from Independent Labour) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative and Unionist), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal), none (Independent Labour)
1922 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Horatio Bottomley (National), Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), H.H. Asquith (Liberal)
1926-1930: Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour)
1926 (Majority) def. David Lloyd George (Reform), Thomas Pilcher (National), John Simon (Liberal), fragmented (Conservative)
1930-1934: Lt. Oswald Mosley (National)
1930 (Coalition with Reform, supply and confidence from Christian Democrats) def. Sgt. James Chuter Ede (Labour), David Lloyd George (Reform), G.K. Chesterton (Christian Democrat), Neville Chamberlain (Anti-Lloyd George Reform), John Simon (Liberal)

 

[ajm8888]

Future Presidents (2017-2073)
Donald Trump/Mike Pence (2017)*
def. 2016: Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine
Mike Pence/Vacant (2017)**
Paul Ryan/Kelly Ayotte (2017-2021)

*Donald Trump was removed from office three months into his presidency after being found guilty of treason.
**Mike Pence resigned after two weeks after incriminating information linked him to the treason Trump was impeached for. Having not confirmed a Vice President, the Speaker of the House Paul Ryan ascended to the presidency.

I have something similar to this plotted out for a story I am woriking on.

 

[Utgard96]

*Donald Trump was removed from office three months into his presidency after being found guilty of treason.

lol

 

[Rosa Luxemburg]

[43] George W. Bush | Dick Cheney (2001-2005)
Defeat: Al Gore | Joe Lieberman

[44] John Kerry | John Edwards (2005-2009)
Defeat: George W. Bush | Dick Cheney

[45] George Allen | Rudy Guiliani (2009-2013)
Defeat: John Kerry | John Edwards

[46] Martin O'Malley | Tim Kaine (2013-2017)
Defeat: George Allen | Rudy Guiliani, Rick Santorum | Mike Huckabee

[47] Ted Cruz | Carly Fiorina (2017-2025)
Defeat: Martin O'Malley | Tim Kaine, Jeb Bush | Chris Christie, Bernie Sanders | Elizabeth Warren

 

[Heliogabalus]

US Presidents

1961-1965: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
def. 1960 John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democrat)
1965-1969: John F. Kennedy / Hubert Humphrey (D)
def. 1964 Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R)
1969-1977: Nelson Rockefeller / William Scranton (R)
def. 1968 John F. Kennedy / Hubert Humphrey (D)
def. 1972 Hubert Humphrey / Robert Kennedy (D)
1977-1981: William Scranton / John B. Anderson (R)
def. 1976 George McGovern / Birch Bayh (D)
1981-1985: Mo Udall / Edmund Muskie (D)
def. 1980 William Scranton / John B. Anderson (R)
1985-1989: Howard Baker / John B. Anderson (R)
def. 1984 Mo Udall / Jimmy Carter* (D)
1989-1993: Lee Iacocca / Tip O'Neill (Independent)
def. 1988 Pat Buchanan / Jack Kemp (R)** and Jesse Jackson / Gary Hart (D)
1993-2001: Al Gore / Bill Bradley
def. 1992 Lee Iacocca / Tip O'Neill (I) and Dan Quayle / Christie Todd Whitman (R)
def. 1996 Ross Perot / Bob Dole (R)
2001-2005: Christie Todd Whitman/ John McCain
def. 2000 Ralph Nader / John Kerry (D)
2005-2013: Nancy Pelosi / Colin Powell (D)
def. 2004 Christie Todd Whitman / John McCain (R)
def. 2008 Gary Johnson / Larry Lessig (R)
2013-: Donald Trump / Hillary Rodham (R)
def. 2012 Martin O'Malley / Ronald Reagan Jr. (D)
def. 2016 John F. Kennedy Jr. / Barack Obama (D)

*Muskie opted not to run for re-election
**Buchanan defeated Baker in the Republican Primaries