Hail, Britannia

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  1. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    -Ah, mea culpa then as I thought there were other standing military operations ongoing (might've confused "past concurrent" deployments with "current day" ones). Good to see the Commonwealth pulling together for joint operations. Out of curiosity, are we going to see a comprehensive list of just who is in the Commonwealth in the future? I figure the Empire and Common Travel Area states, along with India, the Nordic Union, and Hanover, are members but not sure who else would be.

    -Interesting, I imagine there isn't any "Vietnam"-esque quagmire that discredited conscription like with OTL's U.S. If you have a need for developing a more detailed force structure across the Branches, I'd like to lend a hand (with your final approval of course), as I'm a bit of an OOB fan. And I like the idea of mandating some form of National Service, even if not in a field or combat capacity; I feel that makes the average citizen perceive having "skin in the game" in terms of national policy.
     
  2. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    My assumption is that The Thick of It ITTL is more like OTL Veep, in terms of episode length, season length and plotlines. Probably including a lot of the same characters from both series.

    I might do an infobox on the series if I get chance.

    During the Republican Rebellion (1848-1851) the republicans in Carolina and anglophone Louisiana/Florida were united in the "Southern Confederacy", so the series Confederate works as an independent Carolina, Louisiana, western Virginia (OTL Kentucky) and northern Florida.

    Well there are military deployments in parts of the Middle East and Somalia. But the only "active" conflict is in West Africa. I've got a wikibox done for the Commonwealth, I'll try and get a write-up done over the next few days with a map. There are 46 full members and 14 associate states (Portugal, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, United Gulf Emirates, Oman, Nepal, Bhutan, Japan, East Timor, New Granada, Santo Domingo, Dahomey, Iraq).

    Well the analogue of the Vietnam War is the Second Indochina War, but it's less of a quaqmire. I'd appreciate any help :)

    That is indeed one of the ideas behind continued national service.
     
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  3. Threadmarks: Oregon; 2015 general election; 2017 general election

    LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    Next up, something I've had coming for a while, and I finally broke the block today to actually get the write up finished! I might add to it though but I wanted to get it out there to try and get back into the swing of things and out of my rut.

    Here's Oregon and the two most recent elections held in the nation, including one today. The list of First Ministers and the election navbox will follow in the next few days when I get time to convert them into the correct format.

    I hope you all enjoy this :)

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    Centre-Right Cruises to Victory in Oregon

    VICTORIA – The National Unionists have secured a victory in the general election held in Oregon today over their opposition, the incumbent Progressive Democrats. Despite having been the largest party in the General Assembly since the 2015 election, the NUP will now be invited to form a government after securing the support of both the Moderates and Independent Citizens party. Incoming First Minister Christy Clark (NUP) thanked the people or Oregon for choosing "hope over division" and praised her party for a well fought campaign, whilst the outgoing First Minister Brian Cronin (PDP) announced his resignation as party leader saying that "the people have spoken".

    Whilst details on the form the new government will take are unclear at present, party insiders say that the Moderates have agreed to a formal coalition agreement, with leader Sherrie Sprenger serving as Deputy First Minister. Independent Citizens leader Shawn Vulliez has made it clear that his party would not be entering a formal agreement, instead pursuing a more ad hoc arrangement with the NUP, agreeing to vote on issues based on "merit rather than a pre-determined agreement".

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    The Dominion of Oregon is a constituent country of the United Kingdom located on the Pacific Coast of North America, bordered by the Dominion of Canada to the north and northeast, the Commonwealth of Missouri to the east, the Kingdom of the Californias to the south, and the Pacific Ocean to the west.

    Paleo-Indians first inhabited modern Oregon approximately 13,200 years ago, with permanent settlements established across the nation by the 8000 BCE, although the majority were concentrated along the lower Kolumbiya and Willamette Rivers as well as the western valleys. By the time European explorers first reached the region, Oregon was home to dozens of Aboriginal American groups, and although the native inhabitants welcomed European traders, the influx of foreign diseases devastated local populations. Spanish sailors became the first European visitors to the region that is now modern Oregon, with Juan de Fuca undertaking detailed mapping and surveys in 1592. Explorers came, primarily by sea, in search of the Northwest Passage to link Europe and Asia. Expeditions began to be undertaken with increasing frequency in 1774, when the Spanish frigate Santiago, captained by Juan Pérez, explored the coast of the Pacific Northwest from modern California to Alaska. British explorer James Cook explored the Oregon Coast in 1778 in search for the Northwest Passage, whilst George Vancouver explored Puget Sound and the Kolumbiya, claiming the region for Britain.

    The presence of the Alaskan colony to the north of Oregon gave rise to the Oregon boundary dispute between Britain and Russia. The friendly dispute remained unresolved prior to Britain’s seizure of Alaska during the Crimean War, although the areas north and west of the Kolumbiya River were “jointly occupied” by the two powers, Russian influence can be seen in many places and family names throughout Oregon, as well as small Russophone populations in the north of the country. The Lewis and Clark Expedition in the 1800s, as well as the surveys of David Thompson, publicised the abundance of fur-bearing animals in Oregon, leading to the fur trade in the territory.

    Oregon continued to be administered separately to the United Colonies in the east of British America, and saw a population boom in the early 19th century as pioneers made the difficult overland journey along the “Oregon Trail” to settle the region. At the outbreak of the Republican Rebellion, regular British troops with withdrawn and sent east, and Oregon was spared any major fighting during the conflict. The Gold Rush of the 1850s led to the rapid development of modern Oregonian cities like Victoria and Vancouver. Granted formal government in 1871, Oregon became the 5th dominion to ratify the 1876 Acts of Union, and acceded to the Union as one of the original dominions on 4 July 1876.

    In the 1880s railroads assisted the development of the nation’s forestry and farming industries, triggering the rapid growth of its cities. Throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Oregon became an important manufacturing and trade hub for the British Empire to expand its influence in the North Pacific. Like all the British American dominions except Louisiana, Oregon was spared the destruction of the First World War, until the outbreak of a Communist uprising in the neighbouring Canadian province of Alaska saw violence to spread into northern Oregon. During the interwar and post-war periods, Oregon became a focus for war and defence industries, such as Boeing, and home to several bases for the Royal Navy, as well as playing a role in the creation of Britain’s first atomic bombs.

    In the 21st century Oregon is the fifth-largest and the ninth most populous British Dominion, boasting the eleventh largest economy and a very high HDI score. Economically the nation is dominated by natural resource, particularly fishing, logging and mining, as well as the aerospace and defence industries, and Oregon is well known for several prominent international companies such as Microsoft, Amazon and Boeing. Demographically, Oregon remains dominated by those of European descent, but there is a substantial Asian population, which makes up the most visible minority group.

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    The 2015 Oregonian general election was held on 11 August 2015 to elect, under the mixed member proportional representation system, the 284 members of the Oregonian House of Delegates.

    In a shock result the incumbent coalition government, led by the broad tent centre-left Progressive Democrats, lost their majority in the House, with the PDP being reduced to the second largest party behind the centre-right liberal conservative National Unionists. Senior coalition partner, the Greens lost 9 seats, with their leader Blair Wilson losing re-election and resigning the party leadership, whilst Independent Citizens, the rebranded Pirate Party, saw their share of the vote hold steady.

    Of remaining four parties, all were able to secure an increase in seats with the progressive conservative Moderates, under second-time leader Dave Reichert, left-wing Socialists, right-wing Christian Heritage and the Libertarian all increasing their share of the popular vote and representation in the General Assembly. Despite pundits claiming the PDP had lost the election, incumbent First Minister Brian Cronin was able to survive in office by securing a confidence and supply agreement with the Socialists to prop up his weakened coalition. However the loss of the Green party leader and the weakening of the two main coalition partners has many predicting that the government will collapse before the end of the four-year General Assembly.

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    The 2017 Oregonian general election was held on 19 September 2017 to elect, under the mixed member proportional representation system, the 284 members of the Oregonian House of Delegates.

    Held just under two years early, the 2017 election was called following the decision by Independent Citizens and the Socialists to withdraw their support from the coalition following the Progressive Democrats refusal to back copyright law reform. The weakening of the government led to the opposition National Unionists to call for a vote of no confidence, which was pre-empted by First Minister Brian Cronin asking the viceroy to dissolve the General Assembly. Dame Judith Guichon originally declined his request and asked opposition leader Christy Clark to form a government, but when it became clear that she would be unable to command the support of the House, the viceroy agreed to call an early election.

    The campaign was fought mainly around the historically successes and failures of the two largest parties, with the PDP championing their support of the environment and lowering the voting age to 16, whilst slamming the NUP for its support of big business and nuclear power. The NUP in turn criticised the PDP for the rising budget deficit, and pointed to their historic success at balancing Oregon’s budget, as well as championing a balanced approach in the energy sector between renewables and nuclear. The PDP suffered throughout the campaign as the Independent Citizens party criticised them for claiming several of their policy initiatives as their own, whilst the Greens under new leader Adam Olsen distanced themselves from the Progressive Democrats. Another key issue was the health service in Oregon, with the PDP accusing the NUP of wanting "privatisation by subterfuge", whilst the NUP called the PDP "reckless in their funding of non-essential services".

    In the end the electorate chose to return the National Unionist to power after sixteen years in opposition, although they had to rely on the Moderates, under new leader Sherrie Sprenger, in a formal agreement and the tacit support of the Independent Citizens on an ad hoc basis. ICP leader Shawn Vulliez made it clear that his party would not formally support the NUP, but would vote on an issue-by-issue basis. Whilst the PDP were the many losers on the night, the Christian Heritage party found itself in a crisis after losing four seats following leader Glenn Beck’s on mic comments calling Christy Clark a fascist for refusing to consider an electoral pact with his party.

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    Looks like Christy Clark is having more luck with her minority government than in OTL.
     
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  5. FleetMac Patriotic Scalawag

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    Sorry if I give anybody update-itis, but I noticed something a while back and have to ask; the Act of Union is on the Fourth of July, 1876 :D. Was this always part of the plan, or an off the cuff sort of choice? Not a complaint mind you, just curious about a neat factoid.

    I also have to wonder, as a side question, how influential OTL American cultural elements are ITTL's Britannia? Conversely, what would you say sticks out in your mind as remaining characteristically "British" by OTL standards?
     
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  6. sarahz Well-Known Member

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    cricket .....
     
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    What would Ohio Country's political parties look like?
     
  8. Threadmarks: First Ministers of Oregon

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    Indeed. Although I wouldn't characterise her government as stable, it's certainly better off than OTL. Anyway here are the list of first ministers (finally):

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    First Ministers of the Dominion of Oregon (1871–)
    11. 1871–1872 Sir John Foster McCreight (Independent)
    12. 1872–1878 Sir Elisha P. Ferry (Independent)
    13. 1878–1881 Sir Amor De Cosmos (Liberal majority)
    14. 1881–1887 Edward A. Stevenson (Conservative majority)
    15. 1887–1891 Sylvester Pennoyer (FarmersLiberal majority coalition)
    16. 1891–1895 John McGraw (Conservative majority)
    17. 1895–1901 John R. Rogers (FarmersLiberal majority coalition)
    18. 1901–1904 Sir James Dunsmuir (Conservative majority)
    19. 1904–1913 Richard McBride (Conservative majority)
    10. 1913–1917 George Chamberlain (Conservative majority)
    11. 1917–1922 Oswald West (Liberal majority)
    12. 1922–1927 Louis F. Hart (Conservative majority)
    13. 1927–1933 Charles H. Martin (Liberal majority)
    14. 1933–1938 Roland H. Hartley (Conservative majority)
    15. 1938–1953 Edward Taylor-Brock (Liberal majority, then Wartime Coalition, then LiberalProgressive Democrat majority coalition)
    16. 1953–1963 Tom Uphill (Progressive Democrat majority)
    17. 1963–1972 W. A. C. Bennett (Social CreditConservativeLiberal majority coalition, then National Unionist majority coalition)
    18. 1972–1977 Albert Rosellini (Progressive Democrat majority)
    19. 1977–1981 Dixy Lee Ray (National Unionist majority)
    20. 1981–1989 Iona Campagnolo (National Unionist majority)
    21. 1989–1997 Svend Robinson (Progressive Democrat majority) (1st)
    22. 1997–2001 Joseph Zarelli (National Unionist majority)
    21. 2001–2005 Svend Robinson (Progressive Democrat majority, then Progressive DemocratGreen majority coalition) (2nd)
    23. 2005–2011 Carole James (Progressive DemocratGreen majority coalition, then Progressive DemocratGreenPirate majority coalition)
    24. 2011–2017 Brian Cronin (Progressive DemocratGreenIndependent Citizens majority coalition, then minority coalition)
    25. 2017–2018 Christy Clark (National UnionistModerate minority coalition)

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  9. LeinadB93 Just Leinad

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    The Fourth of July date is a deliberate stylistic choice :)

    The popularity of cricket in North America is definitely characteristically British! As is the spread of association football and the reduced popularity of gridiron.

    In my mind British culture ITTL is a blend of OTL America and Britain. Tea drinking is more common, as is the idea of recreational sports after work (football on friday). American-style bars/diners would be less common outside major cities, replaced with British-style pubs. Political parties (at least at the imperial level) would probably have big conventions like OTL US parties, compared to the smaller affairs they are in OTL Britain. There is probably a stronger trend towards agnosticism/decline in church attendance, particularly when compared to OTL America, mirroring the trend IOTL.

    British culture ITTL is seen as a "melting pot", although it is overwhelming based on British/European attitudes it is very much a mix of historic immigration and modern subcultures. I'm also assuming that the various dominions have their own unique cultures that are variations (to a certain degree) on mainstream British culture.

    Not got them fully mapped out at the moment, but there's a strong broadly-nationalist third party that campaigns for minority interests, plus the strongest Republican party in the Empire. Other than that I'm a bit vague on the whole thing.
     
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    BBC News Brief
    • Nine days after Hurricane Maria made landfall in Puerto Rico, the island remains without power and with dwindling supplies of water, food, and fuel. In an emotional speech, First Minister Jennifer Gonzalez pleaded with Imperial authorities to step in and restore order on the island; "people are dying here" the First Minister begged as Prime Minister Lim faces criticism for the Empire's response. The Prime Minister's office was quick to refute criticism, noting that the Royal Navy had deployed a hospital ship and that thousands of pounds of relief has been delivered to the Port of San Juan, where it remains in shipping containers unable to be delivered.
    • Ann-Marie Waters, a controversial anti-Islam activist known for her fierce opposition to the entrance of Muslims into the United Kingdom, reportedly met in private with aides of Donald Trump, whose political outfit "Team Trump" has reportedly been in contact with Nigel Farage's Populist alliance on the possibility of Team Trump folding into Farage's party. Waters, who has been critical of Farage in the past for being "weak" on immigration, reportedly lobbied Trump against the merger and offered to stand for the Imperial Parliament on his ticket. Waters did not disclose the content of the meeting with Trump aide Stephen Miller, while Trump stated on Twitter that he has "never heard" of Waters.
     
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    So how does baseball fare in this world? Is there even a Boston Red Sox and Chicago Cubs?
     
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    I could see Ohio Country showing the best result for the Progressive Conservatives in the Empire.
     
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  13. Wayside 'Cause I'm Just a Teenage SocDem, Baby

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    ALLENTOWN- Following the death of Lehigh Valley MIP Daniel McNeill, a member of the Social Democrats, earlier this month, several candidates have emerged as potential successors. McNeill, who had served in Parliament since 2005, was well-known for his outspoken personality and pro-labour advocacy. The constituency, which is dominated by the former industrial cities of Allentown and Bethlehem, is considered to be a lock for the Social Democrats in the scheduled December by-election, and many political observers are instead focusing on the SD candidate selection process. Four major contenders have emerged-Jeanne McNeill, the late MIP's wife, Michael Schlossberg, the Columbia Representative for North Allentown, John Callahan, the former Executive Mayor of Bethlehem, and J. William Reynolds, current Bethlehem city councilor. Schlossberg's bid in particular has attracted controversy, given that he isn't formally a Social Democrat, instead opting to caucus with the local Progressive Liberal Party. While he is considered to be very left of center, and has garnered attention for his advocacy on LGBT and mental health issues, some local SD politicians have decried him as impertinent and ambitious. A candidate is expected to be announced by October 10th.
     
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    We know that there is a significant population of Gaelic-speakers in North America, but what about the British Isles?
     
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    Yeah there are some in Irish speakers in Ireland and Scottish Gaelic speakers in Scotland and Ireland. There are some Welsh speakers in Wales and some Cornish speakers in Cornwall. Look on page 11 for more information of languages in the British Empire.
     
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    So I was thinking and wouldn't the province of KwaZulu-Natal in South Africa be part of the empire as well I mean in the 1960 referendum the province overwhelmingly voted to stay in the Commonwealth Realm and the province has a large English speaking population so would they join the Union or remain a part of South Africa. I feel like the official languages of the province would be English and Zulu but the minor languages would be Afrikaans, Xhosa, Sotho, and Swazi. In conclusion would Kwa-Zulu Natal be apart of the empire and would the name be different and overall how would they function and also the history as well.
     
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    "Some": So just like OTL?

    What about Minnesotan? At what point did it begin to be considered a separate language instead of a dialect of Swedish?
     
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    I honestly have no idea why Minnesotan is a different language but I would assume that Minnesotan would be a Creole of Swedish.
     
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    On closer inspection, the regions of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales that are majority-Celtic-language speaking appear to be larger than OTL, so I guess the Celtic language revival was more successful ITTL.
     
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    Yeah that's what I noticed and also whats up with the Yiddish language in the Kimberley Region of Western Australia.
     
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