Muwahahahaha!!!
Err...um, I mean nothing to worry about!I'll be happy to testify on your behalf, @Guajolote, and officially this Doctor is straight. Even NPH wasn't quote yet aware he was gay at this point IIRC.
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Err...um, I mean nothing to worry about!
Was there any prequel stories in the EU before the Prequel trilogy?
I don't think so, because IIRC, Lucasfilm put a hard ban on content shortly before the OT (the Prequel era), so that's likely to happen here. Tales of the Jedi is an exception as it's an era that is so long ago (the Old Republic), that the events that happened there don't really matter to the existing canon.
I suspect that if George doesn't get around to Anakin and Obi-Wan in the Clone Wars, somebody else will (ban or not). Wonder how that'll turn out.
Too bad Legacy of the Force is a goner - I'm starting to think a Luke/Talon sequel trilogy is stupid enough to work.
Too bad Legacy of the Force is a goner - I'm starting to think a Luke/Talon sequel trilogy is stupid enough to work.
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Probably not, as unofficial stories made by fans don't really count for Lucasfilm and the ban is still held up for writers that work on official releases. Still, I do remember that the Clone Wars were referenced in works before the Prequels in some form, where the clones were actually the villain army. So that's something to think about for the movies.
Oh god no.
[Looks askance at his copy of Han Solo at Star's End]
Yes? I'm ambiguous on the timing but I know of a couple of Han Solo and Lando Calrissian (fairly short) novels that came out around-if-not-before Zhan wrote the bestsellers.
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If he can successfully butterfly-wing Vince McMahon into poverty, I'll call this a pop culture utopia and never mind the weirdness with Dr. Who.
Do the Exar Kun and Naga Sadow Sith Wars comics from Dark Horse count?
That doesn't count, since they're set 5000-3000 years before the OT. Too long ago to be considered prequels.
Lucasfilm was thinking of timeframes very close to the OT when it came to the ban.
As seen in these quotes the broad strokes for Phantom Menace have been around for decades. To me they also kinda better than what we got OTL.
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I haven't seen any from the times before the Prequels, but I'm interested if there was any from fan conventions or even usenet articles.
Thank god George Lucas made these rough drafts for the Prequels. That does make Geekhis's job a lot easier when it comes to coming up with a narrative for the Prequel Trilogy, although what changes Geekhis will do to the story is something I'm also interested in.
I'm hoping that Tales of the Jedi doesn't get butterflied, as the Old Republic era is simply too good to pass up and opens up a whirlwind of possibilities for the franchise. Even if Revan is butterflied ITTL due to random events in the timeline that is still worth it in my book.
I mean, Lucas already wanted a Maul + Talon buddy cop game; if the idea for her to be his apprentice in the sequels carries over, eventually she's going to run into Luke, and we know what usually happens to villainesses that meet protagonists...
Yeah, I'll stop while we all still have our sanity.
There's a "money printer goes brrrrrr" joke to be had here.
I think a decently well-organized hatedom would still manifest, given the extreme shift. The best comparison to OTL would be how, in the 1990s, DC Comics turned Hal Jordan into an insane mass murderer. It poisoned the well for the new Green Lantern, Kyle Rayner, and there was a fan group called H.E.A.T. that took out protest ads and would insult GL's writer to his face at conventions. It wouldn't be comparable to modern day fandom blowback, but I definitely think you'd see death threats faxed in and the like — which would seem new & extreme for its day. As you say, the internet is still limited in 1991-93. But H.E.A.T arose in 1994 when the 'net was still tiny, and the British Doctor Who fandom has the benefit of being tighter knit than American fandom simply due to smaller geographic distances & pre-existing communities.
God I love deep fake tech for demonstrating alternate history possibilities:
The realistic part begins about 1:30 into the video.
Is it Getting Warmer?
Remembering When the Cold War Ended
Those Was the Times What Was Netlog, by Hippolyta “Hip” O’Campus
Those who grew in the Cold War will never forget it. It was like having a sword perpetually hanging over your head at all times, Armageddon in 30 minutes or less or your money back. Whether it was the Cuban Missile Crisis for the Boomers or The Day After for Gen X, we all quietly suspected that we’d be radioactive mutants battling killer cockroaches in a Mad Max like wasteland by the time we hit 30.
And then, in a blink of an eye, it was over. Not in a series of nuclear clouds rising on the horizon, but a series of political events, some flashy and headline-grabbing, some barely noticed amid the usual chaos of life.
New York Times, November 9th, 1989 (Image source New York Public Library)
Most famous was, of course, the fall of the Berlin Wall in November of 1989. In hindsight it turned out to be a bureaucratic mistake, but once it started, the cards began to fall on the shaky house of cards that was the Warsaw Pact. Sure, not everyone was celebrating – a few dedicated Leninists and Stalinists looked on as though it were a literal Armageddon – but most in the world watched enraptured as the people of Berlin, East and West, stood atop the once-deadly barrier and chipped away at it, like they were debriding the last of the scar tissue from World War II.
This would be the start of the collapse of the Eastern Bloc. When anticommunist uprisings began in places like Poland and Romania, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev declined to invoke the old Brezhnev Doctrine and send in the tanks. He let the change happen, and it ultimately cost him dearly, but that’s a story for later.
And yet something even bigger than the Fall of the Wall happened early that December, even when nobody recognized it at the time. Even the largest newspapers hardly gave it much notice at the time, little more than a small column on the front page, if that. On December 2nd and 3rd, 1989, US President Bush and Premier Gorbachev met in Malta, Bush assuring the many skeptics in the West that Gorbachev would negotiate in good faith. Nothing was signed, nothing was formal, but what was accomplished was sublime.
The Malta Summit brought an end to the Cold War.
At the meeting Gorbachev agreed in principle to the formal reunification of Germany. He agreed to not oppose the end of the Warsaw Pact. He and Bush agreed to work openly together to deescalate tensions and begin denuclearization efforts, resulting in the START I & II Treaties. They in all but words agreed to call an end to nearly 50 years of post-WWII animosity.
Monument to the Malta Summit
Said Gorbachev: “The world is leaving one epoch and entering another. We are at the beginning of a long road to a lasting, peaceful era. The threat of force, mistrust, psychological and ideological struggle should all be things of the past,” and “I assured the President of the United States that I will never start a hot war against the USA.”
Said Bush: “We can realize a lasting peace and transform the East-West relationship to one of enduring co-operation. That is the future that Chairman Gorbachev and I began right here in Malta.”
And for once the two formerly belligerent powers meant every word.
It wasn’t the end of war. Just two weeks later the United States would invade Panama in an effort to topple President Manuel Noriega, himself a vestige of the Cold War Great Power struggle.
New York Times, December 20th, 1989
It also wasn’t, as some at the time were predicting, an “end to history”. But for a moment in time the people of the world could take a deep breath, perhaps only just then realizing how much the tensions of the Cold War weighed down upon them, and celebrate Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards Men (and Women!).
Those Was the Times What Was Netlog, by Hippolyta “Hip” O’Campus
Those who grew in the Cold War will never forget it. It was like having a sword perpetually hanging over your head at all times, Armageddon in 30 minutes or less or your money back. Whether it was the Cuban Missile Crisis for the Boomers or The Day After for Gen X, we all quietly suspected that we’d be radioactive mutants battling killer cockroaches in a Mad Max like wasteland by the time we hit 30.
And then, in a blink of an eye, it was over. Not in a series of nuclear clouds rising on the horizon, but a series of political events, some flashy and headline-grabbing, some barely noticed amid the usual chaos of life.
New York Times, November 9th, 1989 (Image source New York Public Library)
Most famous was, of course, the fall of the Berlin Wall in November of 1989. In hindsight it turned out to be a bureaucratic mistake, but once it started, the cards began to fall on the shaky house of cards that was the Warsaw Pact. Sure, not everyone was celebrating – a few dedicated Leninists and Stalinists looked on as though it were a literal Armageddon – but most in the world watched enraptured as the people of Berlin, East and West, stood atop the once-deadly barrier and chipped away at it, like they were debriding the last of the scar tissue from World War II.
This would be the start of the collapse of the Eastern Bloc. When anticommunist uprisings began in places like Poland and Romania, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev declined to invoke the old Brezhnev Doctrine and send in the tanks. He let the change happen, and it ultimately cost him dearly, but that’s a story for later.
And yet something even bigger than the Fall of the Wall happened early that December, even when nobody recognized it at the time. Even the largest newspapers hardly gave it much notice at the time, little more than a small column on the front page, if that. On December 2nd and 3rd, 1989, US President Bush and Premier Gorbachev met in Malta, Bush assuring the many skeptics in the West that Gorbachev would negotiate in good faith. Nothing was signed, nothing was formal, but what was accomplished was sublime.
The Malta Summit brought an end to the Cold War.
At the meeting Gorbachev agreed in principle to the formal reunification of Germany. He agreed to not oppose the end of the Warsaw Pact. He and Bush agreed to work openly together to deescalate tensions and begin denuclearization efforts, resulting in the START I & II Treaties. They in all but words agreed to call an end to nearly 50 years of post-WWII animosity.
Monument to the Malta Summit
Said Gorbachev: “The world is leaving one epoch and entering another. We are at the beginning of a long road to a lasting, peaceful era. The threat of force, mistrust, psychological and ideological struggle should all be things of the past,” and “I assured the President of the United States that I will never start a hot war against the USA.”
Said Bush: “We can realize a lasting peace and transform the East-West relationship to one of enduring co-operation. That is the future that Chairman Gorbachev and I began right here in Malta.”
And for once the two formerly belligerent powers meant every word.
It wasn’t the end of war. Just two weeks later the United States would invade Panama in an effort to topple President Manuel Noriega, himself a vestige of the Cold War Great Power struggle.
New York Times, December 20th, 1989
It also wasn’t, as some at the time were predicting, an “end to history”. But for a moment in time the people of the world could take a deep breath, perhaps only just then realizing how much the tensions of the Cold War weighed down upon them, and celebrate Peace on Earth and Goodwill towards Men (and Women!).
That were very interesting time...and yes, it's hard to image now how the idea of doom was fatalistically accepted at a certain level
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