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Disney Does Dinosaurs IV: Too Damn Many Dinosaurs!
Nostalgia was Way Better when I was a Kid
Netsite, August 20th, 2000

So, now that we’ve covered Disney’s dinosaur forays in The Land Before Time (1987), DinoSafari (1987), and Jurassic Park (1993)[1], Part IV of this four-part series takes us to two films that debuted practically back-to-back just a few years ago, The Lost World, a direct sequel to Jurassic Park, and Dinotopia, based upon the popular illustrated books[2].

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Larry visiting Gamecon 2000 (Image by @nick_crenshaw82)

Jurassic Park II: The Lost World was the obvious follow-up to the highly successful Jurassic Park. Reportedly, Michael Crichton wrote the sequel novel at the direct request of Spielberg. He even considered retconning Malcolm Morrison’s death in the original book to allow Johnny Depp to reprise the role as the almost charmingly obnoxious chaos mathematician, but Depp was already committed to another film, so Malcolm stayed dead. They managed to get back all of the original cast that survived, some like Dr. Grant and Dr. Marcus as mere cameos, but they notably did not get back director Tim Burton, who refused to do “any sequel”[3]. Instead, they recruited Batman Trilogy director Sam Raimi, who shared similar aesthetic choices to Burton[4].

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Essentially this, but directed by Sam Raimi

Raimi was a good choice for a follow up, continuing on with Burton’s “midcentury monster matinee” style and German Expressionist cinematography and set design. Of course, Raimi did add his own personal touches, like his idiosyncratic action style and slasher-film extreme zooms and whip-pans. He also, naturally, brought in his friend Bruce Campbell as Peter Ludlow, Tim Harmon’s greedy and scheming nephew and new CEO of InGen, who wants to reopen and expand Jurassic Park with a new location in San Diego. It was Campbell’s biggest role to date in a major film release, though he’d played the lead in several “B” movies. To the surprise of many in Hollywood, Campbell managed to inhabit the role well, his idiosyncrasies as an actor who always seems a little too aware that he’s in a film actually working to make the cocky, ever-smirking Ludlow come across as properly disconnected from the “little people” around him.

The plot of the film is well known, so I won’t go into it too deeply here: Ludlow wants to reopen the park, so he hires behavioral paleontologist Dr. Sarah Harding (Winona Ryder), to visit the island and scout things out. With them are the honorable but brutal big game hunter Roland Tembo (Tommy Lister Jr.), environmentalist and documentarian Nick Van Owen (Ted Raimi), and Harding’s stowaway teen daughter Kelly Curtis (Vanessa Lee Chester, who was specifically recommended by executive producer Steven Spielberg). The story deviates from the Crichton novel in several ways, most notably in having the Tyrannosaurus Rex brought to San Diego by Ludlow as a promotional to the new Jurassic Park set to open there. In a scene that deliberately quotes King Kong, the T-Rex escapes during the big downtown promotional, eats Ludlow, and rampages through downtown San Diego. Ludlow’s death, of course, results in Tim and Lex Murphy (Aaron Schwartz and Cristina Ricci) inheriting InGen, cancelling the Jurassic Park project and instead turning InGen towards medicine development, and declaring Isla Soma a nature reserve off limits to visitors.

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“Wait, didn’t that say Pussshhhhiiiiiiiiitttt!!!!!” (Image source “jurassicdaily.tumbler.com”)

The Lost World, in reaction to the parental anger at its predecessor’s violence and use of horror tropes while simultaneously marketing and selling toys and Happy Meals, was rated T and care was taken to limit direct marketing to children. Even so, it received blowback for many of the same reasons. Like its predecessor, it continued the long Disney tradition of boosting the SSRI industry. Raimi tried to tone it down through the use of comedy tropes, making the violence border on the slapstick at times, but still, MGM at the behest of Disney Chairman Jim Henson tried to make it clear that The Lost World was not recommended for very young audiences, instead recommending that parents show their kids films in The Land Before Time series, which they re-released one after another over the summer of ’97. They also recommended that parents of young children wait until next summer, when the G-rated Dinotopia would premier.

But director Sam Raimi threw another wrench into the works. He’d secretly conspired with “rogue elements” (his words) on the effects team (to include Brian Henson) to secretly produce a gruesome R-rated cut, which included characters getting brutally and bloodily killed. For example, Campbell’s Ludlow in this cut gets bitten completely in half by the T-Rex, leaving his bloody lower half dancing around fountaining blood. It was, Brian Henson reported, “So bloody and grimly realistic that it bordered on Deconstruction.” Chairman Jim Henson was as close to furious as he ever got upon finding out what his son and former son in law had done, but ultimately MGM Chairman Tom Wilhite convinced him and the executive committee to release it as a special limited release for late night showings, particularly in college towns and major cities.

Altogether Disney would release six dinosaur-themed movies in a single year: four Land Before Time films and two cuts of The Lost World.

Add into all of this chaos the release of the Troma produced schlock-horror Dinosaur Rampage!!! (yes, three exclamation points) and the Roger Corman in-name-only remake of 1951’s The Lost Continent, and you have what the press soon dubbed The Summer of the Dinosaurs. Even Universal Pictures got into the game, teaming with Toho to make Godzilla 1997 (Godzilla is, after all, officially a dinosaur).

And did all of these overlapping dinosaur features fight for the box office and hurt each other’s bottom line? Yes, absolutely. The Troma and Corman mockbusters both made small profits against their nanobudgets, the Corman flick getting an unlikely boost when Jurassic Park director Tim Burton told an interviewer that he’d “really enjoyed it”. Godzilla and The Lost World most certainly pulled from each other’s audiences, with Godzilla pulling in $320.2 million worldwide and the T-rated wide release of The Lost World $464.8 million worldwide. The Lost World also partially competed with its own R-rated limited release, which made a good $59 million worldwide, and with the re-releases of the four Land Before Time films, which pulled in a combined total of $209 million worldwide.

When all combined together, Disney made just over $700 million total, with analysts assuming that there was plenty of audience overlap between the six releases, with some young kids watching all four Land Before Time films and the T-rated Lost World despite the official Disney warnings, and many adults going to see both the T- and R-rated cuts.

Antianxiety drug sales predictably skyrocketed five years later.

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Which brings us to 1998 and Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time. Dinotopia was to be more than just a G-rated alternative to the Jurassic Park series, it was a passion project for its executive producer George Lucas. Lucas’s daughters loved the book, which, despite his busy schedule, he took the time to read to them. The art and architecture of Dinotopia would even go on to influence some of the early designs for his upcoming Star Wars Prequel Trilogy.

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Any resemblance to any Naboo cities is strictly coincidental (Image © James Gurney)

Dinotopia was written and lavishly illustrated by artist James Gurney, with a few additions from his longtime partner Thomas Kinkade[5]. Lucasfilm secured the film rights from Gurney (on the condition that Gurney would write the initial screenplay himself and allow him and Kinkade to make as much concept art as desired) and made an immediate distribution partnership with Walt Disney Pictures. Producer Diane Birkenfield would partner with Amblin’s Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm’s Rick McCallum to produce. Kennedy would take the lead producer credit, the others given assistant producer credits. Steven Spielberg himself asked to direct, having loved the father-son story at the center of the book, and beat out other interested parties including Robert Zemeckis and Ron Howard.

ILM would take the lead on effects with a partnership to the I-Works, particularly for the animatronics. The film would also be one of the first to heavily feature the use of the I-Works’ advances in Digital Puppetry to bring the talking dinosaurs to life and be able to interact with the human actors in new and exciting ways. The innovative process had first been developed in the late 1980s with “digital Muppet” Waldo C. Graphic, who first debuted on Disney’s World of Magic in 1989 and then later played a recurring role in the short-lived Inner Tube and was used to some degree in prior Disney and MGM creations. But when combined with the 3D/Softworks innovations in vector graphics and the ILM innovations in realistic skin motions and textures, the results were amazingly organic and lifelike, but also allowed for something no CG effects film had ever been able to achieve before: true digital improvisation! Dinotopia, needless to say, won the Oscar, Golden Globe, and BAFTA for best special effects. And yet, ironically, after a half-decade of increasingly wondrous CG-driven special effects that launched with Spider-Man and Jurassic Park, most audience didn’t even notice and were more likely to comment on the beautiful location shots than on how the two “I’s” had made a conversation between a teenage boy and a Quetzalcoatlus seem as mundane as a standard shot-reverse shot conversation between two actors on a sitcom.

The biggest challenge to the production team was turning the book into a three-act narrative. The original picture book took the form of one of those obnoxious “epistolary narratives”, related entirely through protagonist Arthur Denison’s journal entries, and mostly served to add details and context to the breathtaking imagery. However, Spielberg, the king of “Daddy Issues”, latched on to a dramatic subtext of Arthur and his estranged teenage son Will, who wants to become a “Skybax” (Pterosaur) rider rather than follow in his father’s footsteps. Gurney wrote a preliminary screenplay based upon a treatment developed in partnership with Spielberg and Kennedy (who all received Story By credits). The story used the wonders of Dinotopia as a backdrop to highlight and accentuate the story of a man and his son learning to overcome their shared tensions. Unfortunately, the Gurney screenplay had several structural issues. Writer Lawrence Kasdan was brought in to “script-doctor” the screenplay, which approached the level of rewrite. Carrie Fisher was brought in to punch up the dialog.

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Arthur (L) and Will Denison (R) with a Skybax and Bix (© James Gurney)

The ultimate tale involves Will, a dreamer who doesn’t want to follow his father into science, learning independence and finding his true passion (Skybax rider) while his loving but demanding father Arthur must learn to set aside his Victorian need for control and learn to appreciate his son following in his own dreams. It’s ultimately an optimistic lesson, with the wonders of Dinotopia giving the estranged father and son the impetus to overcome their mutual closed-off natures and rediscover Wonder (the capital-W is required). To cast these two critical central roles, Spielberg and casting director Mike Fenton recruited cowboy actor Sam Elliott and Jay Baruchel, though Spielberg reportedly pursued Harrison Ford for the lead role.

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Sam Elliott (L) and Jay Baruchel (R) c.1996 (Image sources “comingsoon.net” & “boyactors.org.uk”)


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Scarlett Johannsson & Julia Roberts c1996 (Image sources “famousfix.com” & Elle)

For Arthur’s love interest Oriana Nascava, they brought in Julia Roberts. For Will’s love interest Sylvia Romano, they found then-teenage actress Scarlett Johannsson. The multilingual Protoceratops Bix was voiced by Whoopie Goldberg with digital puppetry by Fran Brill. Judith Barsi voiced numerous secondary dinosaurs and appeared in a cameo as a Skybax student rider[6]. The Skybax chief instructor Oolu was played by Charles Durning. Meanwhile, the acerbic and Dinosaur-hating Lee Crab, set up as a future antagonist, was played by British character actor Pete Postlethwaite (yes, M himself!).

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Oolu vs. Charles Durning (© James Gurney & Image source “charlierose.com”)


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Lee Crab & Pete Postlethwaite c1996 (Image sources Gurney Journey (© James Gurney) & “screenmusings.com”)

The final film was an exciting and heartwarming story. The acting was superb (Elliott and Baruchel would both receive awards nominations). The characters had great chemistry. The location shots were breathtaking. And the CG effects brilliant and lifelike. It was adventurous and sincere. It was, frankly, a perfect G-rated family film and the perfect interpretation of the original story. No Xanax required.

With numerous location shoots in Hawaii and Costa Rica, revolutionary new special effects, and major star power, the film’s budget swelled to a high even for the time $94 million. It was the highest budget film produced under the Walt Disney label at the time. It released in June of 1998 with much fanfare and a massive promotional campaign that pushed the total investment to over $160 million. Critics generally loved the combination of heart and jaw-dropping effects. Big things were expected given the names associated and the performance of similar films the year before.

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©James Gurney

Unfortunately for Disney, after the Summer of the Dinosaurs the year before, Dino Fatigue had set in. The innovative effects, using digital puppetry techniques, though all the buzz within the industry, did not wow audiences, who didn’t see the effects as amazingly better than The Lost World the year before. Big CG blockbusters were par for the course now and not even Spielberg’s subjective camera work and the heart and soul it brought to the film was going to make it stand out in 1998. The G-rated film mostly attracted young children and parents and fans of the book. Teens and young adults generally wanted more action and conflict. Still, the film opened at #1, held the slot over the weekend, and remained in the top 5 for several weeks. Ultimately, the film drew in an international total box office of $225 million, the 16th highest grossing film of the year, but a major disappointment considering that over $350 million gross was expected. Dinotopia’s underperformance put on hold any plans for a sequel based upon The World Beneath, though some test art had been developed, showing brilliant designs for the underground scenes and robotic dinosaurs.

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What could have been? (©James Gurney; image source Reddit)

Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time did quite well on VHS and VCD and may well become a beloved modern classic in a few years. Whether we ever see Dinotopia: The World Beneath is another story[7].




[1] I covered Jurassic Park in other ways, so no “Disney Does Dinosaurs III” was or will be posted, since it would just be the same info relayed a different way.

[2] Protoceratops frill-tip to @Nathanoraptor for the assist in the production of the two films.

[3] The only reason that Burton did Batman Returns in our timeline was that Warner Brothers essentially forced him to. Here he has a lot more individual power over his own projects.

[4] I actually considered bringing in Joel Schumacher to direct as a combination meta-joke and excuse to playfully troll you guys, and because, “Bat Nipples” aside, Schumacher was actually a talented and respected director and shouldn’t be judged only by Batman & Robin, which had a lot of executive interference to make it more “toyetic” and kid-friendly, leading to the uber-campy tone. Turning the accidental gay subtext inherent to Batman and Robin into deliberate subtext bordering on becoming text was all him, though. I’m still surprised that he got away with it.

[5] Yes, the Painter of Light dude who makes those paintings in your dentist’s office waiting room. In our timeline he did work with Gurney in the early 1980s, most notably for the 1983 Ralph Bakshi film Fire and Ice as background artists. In this timeline, he continued working with Gurney with other projects rather than start painting kitschy landscape art and make a questionable business on it (Solar Sands has a more nuanced rundown below), honing his skills in light reflection and refraction to be way better and more acclaimed, earning his title of "The Painter of Light"... if it weren't for the fact that it's butterflied. Hat tip to @Plateosaurus for the Kinkade angle.


[6] 19th century adventurer-scientist hat tip to @Nathanoraptor for casting assistance.

[7] Will go on to become a modern classic on home media and even see theatrical re-releases, naturally, leading eventually to a greenlight of Dinotopia: The World Beneath in the late 2000s, but I’ll leave that for a hypothetical future guest post.
 
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A pair of excellent movies, but ooof - it sounds like 1997 is really packed to the brim with blockbusters

I'm really glad to see dinosaur films doing so well, even if it's only for one year.
 
I think I'd take a gander at all these movies (with the possible exception of Dinosaur Rampage!!!)
[3] The only reason that Burton did Batman Returns in our timeline was that Paramount essentially forced him to. Here he has a lot more individual power over his own projects.
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I think you meant Warner Bros., Geekhis.
 
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Larry visiting Gamecon 2000 (Image by @nick_crenshaw82)
Great photoshop again @nick_crenshaw82
Jurassic Park II: The Lost World was the obvious follow-up to the highly successful Jurassic Park. Reportedly, Michael Crichton wrote the sequel novel at the direct request of Spielberg. He even considered retconning Malcolm Morrison’s death in the original book to allow Johnny Depp to reprise the role as the almost charmingly obnoxious chaos mathematician, but Depp was already committed to another film, so Malcolm stayed dead. They managed to get back all of the original cast that survived, some like Dr. Grant and Dr. Marcus as mere cameos, but they notably did not get back director Tim Burton, who refused to do “any sequel”[3]. Instead, they recruited Batman Trilogy director Sam Raimi, who shared similar aesthetic choices to Burton[4].
Funny Malcolm stays that in TTL since he's basically the most returning actor for the Sequels in OTL.
Raimi was a good choice for a follow up, continuing on with Burton’s “midcentury monster matinee” style and German Expressionist cinematography and set design. Of course, Raimi did add his own personal touches, like his idiosyncratic action style and slasher-film extreme zooms and whip-pans. He also, naturally, brought in his friend Bruce Campbell as Peter Ludlow, Tim Harmon’s greedy and scheming nephew and new CEO of InGen, who wants to reopen and expand Jurassic Park with a new location in San Diego. It was Campbell’s biggest role to date in a major film release, though he’d played the lead in several “B” movies. To the surprise of many in Hollywood, Campbell managed to inhabit the role well, his idiosyncrasies as an actor who always seems a little too aware that he’s in a film actually working to make the cocky, ever-smirking Ludlow come across as properly disconnected from the “little people” around him.
Good for Campbell, he sounds like a delight to watch here. Also I love that they used the T-Rex in San Diego bit in this film instead of trying to write an entire Sequel around this sequence.
The plot of the film is well known, so I won’t go into it too deeply here: Ludlow wants to reopen the park, so he hires behavioral paleontologist Dr. Sarah Harding (Winona Ryder), to visit the island and scout things out. With them are the honorable but brutal big game hunter Roland Tembo (Tommy Lister Jr.), environmentalist and documentarian Nick Van Owen (Ted Raimi), and Harding’s stowaway teen daughter Kelly Curtis (Vanessa Lee Chester, who was specifically recommended by executive producer Steven Spielberg). The story deviates from the Crichton novel in several ways, most notably in having the Tyrannosaurus Rex brought to San Diego by Ludlow as a promotional to the new Jurassic Park set to open there. In a scene that deliberately quotes King Kong, the T-Rex escapes during the big downtown promotional, eats Ludlow, and rampages through downtown San Diego. Ludlow’s death, of course, results in Tim and Lex Murphy (Aaron Schwartz and Cristina Ricci) inheriting InGen, cancelling the Jurassic Park project and instead turning InGen towards medicine development, and declaring Isla Soma a nature reserve off limits to visitors.
Great plot and excellent casting. Really gives a definitive Ending to the Park while also at least leaving open the possibilities for Sequels if they really want one. Also another role for Tommy Lister? Must have had a busy schedule filming both this and FF.
The Lost World, in reaction to the parental anger at its predecessor’s violence and use of horror tropes while simultaneously marketing and selling toys and Happy Meals, was rated T and care was taken to limit direct marketing to children. Even so, it received blowback for many of the same reasons. Like its predecessor, it continued the long Disney tradition of boosting the SSRI industry. Raimi tried to tone it down through the use of comedy tropes, making the violence border on the slapstick at times, but still, MGM at the behest of Disney Chairman Jim Henson tried to make it clear that The Lost World was not recommended for very young audiences, instead recommending that parents show their kids films in The Land Before Time series, which they re-released one after another over the summer of ’97. They also recommended that parents of young children wait until next summer, when the G-rated Dinotopia would premier
Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
But director Sam Raimi threw another wrench into the works. He’d secretly conspired with “rogue elements” (his words) on the effects team (to include Brian Henson) to secretly produce a gruesome R-rated cut, which included characters getting brutally and bloodily killed. For example, Campbell’s Ludlow in this cut gets bitten completely in half by the T-Rex, leaving his bloody lower half dancing around fountaining blood. It was, Brian Henson reported, “So bloody and grimly realistic that it bordered on Deconstruction.” Chairman Jim Henson was as close to furious as he ever got upon finding out what his son and former son in law had done, but ultimately MGM Chairman Tom Wilhite convinced him and the executive committee to release it as a special limited release for late night showings, particularly in college towns and major cities.
Lol but hey alternative cuts are basically a proud Jurassic Park tradition at this point.
Add into all of this chaos the release of the Troma produced schlock-horror Dinosaur Rampage!!! (yes, three exclamation points) and the Roger Corman in-name-only remake of 1951’s The Lost Continent, and you have what the press soon dubbed The Summer of the Dinosaurs. Even Universal Pictures got into the game, teaming with Toho to make Godzilla 1997 (Godzilla is, after all, officially a dinosaur).
That's a lot of Dinosaurs!!!

Which brings us to 1998 and Dinotopia: A Land Apart from Time. Dinotopia was to be more than just a G-rated alternative to the Jurassic Park series, it was a passion project for its executive producer George Lucas. Lucas’s daughters loved the book, which, despite his busy schedule, he took the time to read to them. The art and architecture of Dinotopia would even go on to influence some of the early designs for his upcoming Star Wars Prequel Trilogy.
First of Clever Title that's also a real groan inducing pun. We had a Land before Time, no we have a Land apart from Time. Can't wait for a Land after Time.😂

Also Episode 1 is going to look so gorgeous.
ILM would take the lead on effects with a partnership to the I-Works, particularly for the animatronics. The film would also be one of the first to heavily feature the use of the I-Works’ advances in Digital Puppetry to bring the talking dinosaurs to life and be able to interact with the human actors in new and exciting ways. The innovative process had first been developed in the late 1980s with “digital Muppet” Waldo C. Graphic, who first debuted on Disney’s World of Magic in 1989 and then later played a recurring role in the short-lived Inner Tube and was used to some degree in prior Disney and MGM creations. But when combined with the 3D/Softworks innovations in vector graphics and the ILM innovations in realistic skin motions and textures, the results were amazingly organic and lifelike, but also allowed for something no CG effects film had ever been able to achieve before: true digital improvisation! Dinotopia, needless to say, won the Oscar, Golden Globe, and BAFTA for best special effects. And yet, ironically, after a half-decade of increasingly wondrous CG-driven special effects that launched with Spider-Man and Jurassic Park, most audience didn’t even notice and were more likely to comment on the beautiful location shots than on how the two “I’s” had made a conversation between a teenage boy and a Quetzalcoatlus seem as mundane as a standard shot-reverse shot conversation between two actors on a sitcom.
Love the Tech. Can't wait to see how it will be used in future projects and yes ironic how the two Is have managed to make CGI feel mundane but that's kinda the point isn't it?
However, Spielberg, the king of “Daddy Issues”, latched on to a dramatic subtext of Arthur and his estranged teenage son Will, who wants to become a “Skybax” (Pterosaur) rider rather than follow in his father’s footsteps. Gurney wrote a preliminary screenplay based upon a treatment developed in partnership with Spielberg and Kennedy (who all received Story By credits). The story used the wonders of Dinotopia as a backdrop to highlight and accentuate the story of a man and his son learning to overcome their shared tensions. Unfortunately, the Gurney screenplay had several structural issues. Writer Lawrence Kasdan was brought in to “script-doctor” the screenplay, which approached the level of rewrite. Carrie Fisher was brought in to punch up the dialog.
The ultimate tale involves Will, a dreamer who doesn’t want to follow his father into science, learning independence and finding his true passion (Skybax rider) while his loving but demanding father Arthur must learn to set aside his Victorian need for control and learn to appreciate his son following in his own dreams. It’s ultimately an optimistic lesson, with the wonders of Dinotopia giving the estranged father and son the impetus to overcome their mutual closed-off natures and rediscover Wonder (the capital-W is required). To cast these two critical central roles, Spielberg and casting director Mike Fenton recruited cowboy actor Sam Elliott and Jay Baruchel, though Spielberg reportedly pursued Harrison Ford for the lead role.
Superb Story and casting. Although I would love to see Ford give it a try.
For Arthur’s love interest Oriana Nascava, they brought in Julia Roberts. For Will’s love interest Sylvia Romano, they found then-teenage actress Scarlett Johannsson. The multilingual Protoceratops Bix was voiced by Whoopie Goldberg with digital puppetry by Fran Brill. Judith Barsi voiced numerous secondary dinosaurs and appeared in a cameo as a Skybax student rider[6]. The Skybax chief instructor Oolu was played by Charles Durning. Meanwhile, the acerbic and Dinosaur-hating Lee Crab, set up as a future antagonist, was played by British character actor Pete Postlethwaite (yes, M himself!).
More great casting here. Whoopie finally escaped the Spider typecasting😂 and Jude plays a dinosaur again.
Ultimately, the film drew in an international total box office of $225 million, the 16th highest grossing film of the year, but a major disappointment considering that over $350 million gross was expected. Dinotopia’s underperformance put on hold any plans for a sequel based upon The World Beneath, though some test art had been developed, showing brilliant designs for the underground scenes and robotic dinosaurs.
[7] Will go on to become a modern classic on home media and even see theatrical re-releases, naturally, leading eventually to a greenlight of Dinotopia: The World Beneath in the late 2000s, but I’ll leave that for a hypothetical future guest post.
I'm glad we still got the robotic Dinosaurs in the End.

Great chapter @Geekhis Khan
 
Thanks, all, and thanks to @Nerdman3000 for the guest post on T3 and for those who helped on the Dinosaur films.

If they really want to end the franchise for once and for all, the writers should remember that Skynet is only "evil" because NORAD freaked out when it became sapient and tried to do a force restart; Skynet, being a military AI in the Nineties, concluded that humanity itself was a threat and began Judgement Day.

That's the part that really grinds my gears: if you can go back in time to Skynet's creation (looking at you, Genisys), what better way to prove "No Fate but What We Make" then by talking Skynet out of the war in the first place?
"FURTHER CONFLICT ..... ILLOGICAL. I CHOOSE PEACE."
Interesting idea...for another TL or a very late guest post. Nerdman3000 took things in another direction. Besides, ending the conflict kills the cash cow!

Oh boy I’m hyped to see what the Star Wars prequels are like in this TL, it would be a shame if they were still controversial
Glad everyone's all hyped up for Star Wars. High fan excitement never leads to disappointment when Star Wars is involved.

Its Star Wars. Its always gonna be that no matter what creative decisions are taken.
I think Brad Silberling would be a good director for all three of them and also make slave anakin just a generic slave child
Why Brad? I mean, Casper's pretty good, but do you just want him in after getting snubbed for it ITTL?
Well that and I just wanted to see what his interpretation of Star Wars would be like
This is exactly what the Commentary thread is for. Please take conversations there.

Wonder if the movie Devil's Advocate will still be made? If it is, just change Kevin Lomax's hometown. In the OTL movie, Gainesville, Florida is Kevin Lomax's (played by Keanu Reeves OTL) hometown, and is described as a small rural town (1)--never mind that Gainesville is home to the University of Florida, one of the larger universities in the South (and where Gatorade was created, IIRC), which had nearly 60,000 students in 2019, and Gainesville hasn't been small since, oh, 1960 or so (2)...

(1) Yeah, the filmmakers didn't do their research on Gainesville...
(2) They did shoot some scenes in Gainesville, though...
I think the film gets a passing mention, but I had no detailed plans for it.

A pair of excellent movies, but ooof - it sounds like 1997 is really packed to the brim with blockbusters

I'm really glad to see dinosaur films doing so well, even if it's only for one year.
Yea 1997 is quite the blockbuster year all around.

I think I'd take a gander at all these movies (with the possible exception of Dinosaur Rampage!!!)

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I think you meant Warner Bros., Geekhis.
Yep, edited.

Must have had a busy schedule filming both this and FF.
Yep. Thankfully the LW role was pretty small and many of the FF scenes were effects.

First of Clever Title that's also a real groan inducing pun. We had a Land before Time, no we have a Land apart from Time. Can't wait for a Land after Time.😂
Don't forget Land Adjacent to Time and Land Slightly to the Left of Time.
 
Glad to see Terminator gets a proper novelization trilogy as well as a good third film. S.M. Stirling's trilogy was awful, with Skynet being a pawn of the environmental movement!
 
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Glad to see Terminator gets a proper novelization trilogy as well as a good third film.
Yup, it deserves to have a proper T3 for once. That said though, as mentioned, it doesn’t entirely escape the bad film curse, since ITTL T4 and T5 are very bad films, arguably actually managing to be even worse than any OTL post-T2 Terminator film.

S.M. Stirling's trilogy was awful, with Skynet being a pawn of the environmental movement!
Yup, but not surprising considering it’s written by S. M. Stirling. There’s a reason he actually got banned from this very site despite being a well known alt-history author.

In the end I mainly just borrowed the whole human Arnold joining John and Sarah and future female Terminator trying to build/rebuild Skynet aspect from those books. Otherwise there’s little else borrowed from those books.
 
Yup, it deserves to have a proper T3 for once. That said though, as mentioned, it doesn’t entirely escape the bad film curse, since ITTL T4 and T5 are very bad films, arguably actually managing to be even worse than any OTL post-T2 Terminator film.


Yup, but not surprising considering it’s written by S. M. Stirling. There’s a reason he actually got banned from this very site despite being a well known alt-history author.

In the end I mainly just borrowed the whole human Arnold joining John and Sarah and future female Terminator trying to build/rebuild Skynet aspect from those books. Otherwise there’s little else borrowed from those books.
Even better would have been Skynet being in human Arnold's body, so he could be a villain again.
 
it doesn’t entirely escape the bad film curse, since ITTL T4 and T5 are very bad films, arguably actually managing to be even worse than any OTL post-T2 Terminator film.
I wonder how many fans there are saying its "AKSHULLY EETS NOOT THAHT BBAD" and are underrated masterpieces. Who directs them, BTW?
 
Even better would have been Skynet being in human Arnold's body, so he could be a villain again.
Personally never really liked the idea of Arnold as Skynet. That and I’ve strangely always pictured Skynet in a human body as being female, mostly due to the brief appearance in Terminator Salvation where Helena Botham Carter briefly portrays Skynet in that scene where it talks to Marcus.

Plus I live the irony of Arnold starting as a evil Terminator in the first film, a good Terminator in the second, and a regular old human in the third.

Still, I could see it being a twist for ITTL T3, where we initially don’t know what Skynet looks like, so similar to T2 with how Arnold’s first introduction is handled, when we first see Arnold, the audience is first led to believe when his character first appears that he might actually be Skynet, only for the rug to be pulled out under them when it’s not only revealed he’s actually human and is not Skynet, but we also get our first true look at Skynet.
 
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History shows again and again/How nature points out the folly of men
1997: An American Godzilla
Excerpt from Kaiju Kingdom! A Brief History of Massive Movie Monsters, by Gogota “Go” Jira

A Guest Post by @GrahamB, @Nathanoraptor, @Plateosaurus, & @ajm8888 with Executive Meddling by Yours Truly


You know me. I’m (obviously) A Gojira Man. As if my nom de plum didn’t make that obvious. And so naturally today I will finally talk about 1997’s Universal-Toho collaboration on Godzilla (1997) a.k.a. “Yankzilla”, “Godzilla Saves the Earth”, or “Godzilla vs. Broodmother”, depending on which fans you ask.

What happened? How did it happen? And most importantly, is it Gojira/Godzilla or some weird “in name only” thing as some were fearing at the time? Let’s discuss.

The Production:

After the modest successes of UPA’s animated Godzilla film and Monster Mayhem cartoon, Universal Pictures felt confident that it could make a full-budget, live-action, Godzilla movie for an American audience. Despite being greenlit in 1992, the project would languish in preproduction talks as Universal and Toho negotiated which monsters, if any, could be used by Universal (a debate that extended into the theme park world), eventually reaching the understanding that a monster appearing in one franchise would not be seen in the other, excepting Godzilla himself.

With Universal eager to capitalize on the upswing in monster flick popularity during the ‘90s, started by Disney/MGM's hit film Jurassic Park, a compromise with Toho was reached: Universal's first Godzilla film would have an original monster as the antagonist (ultimately the Broodmother), hopefully tiding the studio over until Toho was ready to make its extensive library of monsters available for adaptation.

Finally beginning in earnest in 1994, Universal's movie, under the working title Godzilla 96 after the expected year of release, would see Reny Harlin chosen for the Director’s chair, and Laurence Mark to produce. Assigned a sky-high for the time budget of $80 million, all that was needed was a script, which was ultimately written by Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio.

Harlin, Elliott and Rossio built their story around the notion of Godzilla emerging in the present day, creating a new backstory for their version of the character. They clashed with Universal executives on this more serious take, with the studio wanting a more tongue-in-cheek, comedic tone. However, the studio was overruled both by the creatives and by Toho themselves, who did not want the seriousness of Godzilla’s origins downplayed.

Despite initial reports, the film is not in continuity with Universal's Godzilla 1985 (the dubbed version of The Return of Godzilla) or the UPA animated Godzilla films, instead, starting its own continuity.

Much care was put into the design of the antagonistic Broodmother, awakened from its eons-long hibernation by depth charge tests around Odo Island. The ultimate result was a long-legged insectile creature that carries its children beneath it on its abdomen. With powerful pincers on its forelimbs and wasp-like stinger, combined with webbing-like slime to trap its victims, the Broodmother is a credible danger to Godzilla from the first time that they meet. Her children are no less dangerous, although they rely more on their slime and stingers against human prey than their claws, which mostly serve to just pull themselves along at surprising speed. Their ability to eat through anything weaker than concrete is also a nice touch, making escape more difficult for our protagonists.

As an amusing side-note, when footage from the film was first released, the Broodmother was erroneously reported by many news sources as being Mothra, causing us G-fans go into a bit of an outrage at what seemed to be a complete change to the beloved character, to which Harlin had to publicly clarify that, no, the big insectoid Kaiju seen in the trailer was not Mothra and that Godzilla himself would be the only Toho kaiju to appear in the film.

Godzilla himself has a new design as well, heavily influenced by crocodiles, deep sea fish and reconstructions of theropod dinosaurs, taking the classic Godzilla design and rendering it in the framework of real animal anatomy, but with enough resemblance to the Toho versions to be fully recognizable as Godzilla, rather than some “in name only”.

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Godzilla surfaces at Guam (Image source Wired)

This Godzilla is also an absolute powerhouse, moving with a sense of mass and scale that made the expense of cutting-edge CGI worth it (effects ultimately drove costs over $100 million). The start of the Guam battle, where the camera follows Godzilla from the water into the city in a single long take, is still considered one of his better introductions.

The Story:

We start off with a kick-ass opening sequence that explains the backstory of the film: in 1954, the crew of the U.S.S. Nautilus encountered a giant monster in the Pacific Ocean trenches. A montage follows of reports of sightings both the military and civilians have made, as well as implications that he’s responsible for sea monster myths. At the end of the prologue, we zoom in on a document to reveal the name the beast as it was given in official channels: “Godzilla”. This is all set to an instrumental version of Nine Inch Nails’ cover of Blue Öyster Cult’s “Godzilla”, which also serves as the credits song for the film.

We cut to the (fictional) Pacific Island of Odo, where we see protestors, both local and foreign, outside a military base protesting depth charge tests on a site that is sacred to the native Odo people.

Outside, Colonel Joel Highwood (Robin Williams) and Privates Ben Wasserman (John Stamos) and Larry Morton (Jack Black) are trying to defuse the situation. Highwood claims that they have scanned the area and nothing untoward has been found, to the protestors’ disbelief. Despite a brief flare in hostilities when Larry trolls a couple of the protestors for a laugh, eventually, the mob is dispersed.

Inside the base, however, Highwood has his own concerns about the depth tests. You see, on a sonar scan of the area, something unusual is picked up. Nobody knows what it is, but it isn't good. Highwood attempts to convince his superiors to halt the depth charge tests, at least until they can find out what's going on, but his superiors basically shoot him down in flames.

Whilst this is happening, Larry and Ben sit and talk about the tests. For his part, Larry expresses reluctance, claiming that a local legend states that a monster sleeps in that area, to Ben’s dismissiveness. Suddenly, we hear a brief tremor, which Ben puts down to the depth charge tests, but Larry isn't so sure...

That night, the base is attacked by an unseen giant monster which wipes out the air base in hours, leaving Highwood’s unit as the only survivors. They are evacuated via helicopter, but are left wondering about the attack. During this whole scene, we are led to believe the attacking monster is Godzilla...only for it to be revealed later that it isn't.

Returning next morning to the ruined base with reinforcements to look for survivors, the team is shocked to discover that not only are there no remains of the people killed there, but that virtually anything organic is also missing, right down to wooden furniture and plastic containers from the base’s offices. Leading away from the base is an ominously-cleared trail through the fields, heading out to sea...

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Not exactly this (Image source Wikimedia)

The addition of this second monster, never named on screen, but given the official name of “the Broodmother”, keeps the pacing tight and suspenseful, even as the audience only gets mentions and teasing about Godzilla himself pursuing this new threat. The reveal shortly after the first confrontation in Guam that the Broodmother is carrying a swarm of infant creatures, with potentially more on the way, not only lets the movie engage in human-scale monster action but raises the stakes of the film by making it clear that even if the Broodmother herself can be destroyed, her children are potentially just as dangerous, eating anything in their way as they grow up.

Suddenly, our heroes are picked up by the US military and are taken aboard one of the ships. There, they meet scientist Dr. Henry Saperstein (Steve Buscemi) who reveals in a briefing that world governments have been keeping giant monsters secret for over 50 years, since the first were discovered in the late 1940s, and noting that the atomic bomb tests in the 1950s were attempts to kill them, with hints that there are other monsters out there. In this briefing, it’s revealed the monster that attacked the base wasn't Godzilla itself, but a large arthropod monster dubbed simply “Creature 11-A-4”. Instead, it is revealed that Godzilla is pursuing it and that the two are headed to Guam.

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(Image source Den of Geek)

Eventually Godzilla and the Broodmother reach Dededo, and both them and the military square off in Dededo, destroying the city in the process; however, the Broodmother is eventually forced into a retreat, with Godzilla in pursuit, and Larry openly cheering Godzilla on. Suddenly, the unit are attacked by a creature that looks like a smaller version of the Broodmother. The unit manage to kill it, but not before Highwood is fatally injured. On the helicopter transporting them back to the ship, Highwood dies of his wounds.

A study of the dead creature reveals that it’s the offspring of the Broodmother, and there is likely a swarm of them on the way…a swarm that, if allowed to roam the globe unimpeded, could cause a mass extinction event. And at this point, it is implied that the Brood have caused several extinction events before when they’ve gotten out of control. The monsters’ landing point is revealed: Seattle.

In Seattle, the Broodmother and her offspring make a nest and she successfully lays her latest eggs. Godzilla arrives on the shores of Washington, makes his way to the city, and throws it down with the Broodmother and some of her offspring, whilst the rest face off against Wasserman and his unit. Our heroes destroy the Broodmother’s nest, killing most of her offspring, and Godzilla kills the Broodmother when she is distracted by flipping her onto her back, ripping off her pincers and blasting his atomic breath on her unprotected underside and tearing into it.

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Sort of like this (Image source YouTube)

Godzilla leaves into the sunset, with Wasserman’s unit watching him leave, giving him a salute.

The Acting:

The humans in the movie are pretty good, if generally unmemorable. John Stamos as Private Ben Wasserman is a good leading man, balancing both seriousness and dry sarcasm, as well as a deep emotional complexity that conveys both his growing admiration for Godzilla and his personal grudge against the Broodmother incredibly well.

An against-type Robin Williams provides an Oscar-worthy (but annoyingly snubbed) performance as Colonel Highwood, balancing both gravitas and paternalistic warmth to convey his survivor’s guilt over the attack on the base (amplified when he later finds out that he is, at least partially, party to the Broodmother’s awakening), as well as his care for the surviving men under his command. His death scene at the hands (well, stinger) of one of the Broodmother’s offspring is tearjerking.

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Jack Black as PFC Larry Morton (Image source The Fan Carpet)

The rest of the unit is likable, but forgettable, with plenty of tension-relieving humour tossed around between this band of brothers, making their long friendships believable on screen. Jack Black's Larry Morton however, is the lone exception, being memorably quirky and his obsession with conspiracies (and smug happiness at being right). Of the crew, he is the first to really begin to admire Godzilla, even openly cheering him on during the Guam battle. However, he never becomes annoying and occasionally has some moments of pathos; for example, his horror at the ruins of the destroyed base.

The standout performance in my mind, however, is Steve Buscemi and his portrayal of Doctor Henry Saperstein, a US Government agent ostensibly working for the US Geological Survey who has made the study of giant monsters his life’s work. Combining gravitas with the nervous energy expected from nineties Buscemi, Saperstein provides needed exposition economically to other characters and the audience without bringing down the pacing of the film as well as providing a solid emotional centre to the film’s philosophical musings.

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Steve Buscemi as Dr. Henry Saperstein (Image source IMDB)

By far his best scene is a quiet conversation he has with Colonel Highwood over coffee, shortly before the latter’s death, where the two discuss the circumstances behind Godzilla's re-emergence and the Broodmother's re-awakening (and Highwood's guilt over being party to bringing it about), and whether mankind is hellbent towards bringing about its own extinction. It leads to this stand-out monologue:

“It wasn't just you, you know. Nature just has a way of reminding us just how insignificant we are. When we overstep, she makes sure to remind us of our real place in the grand scheme of things. Whether by tornado, earthquake...or Kaiju, she always makes us learn, in the end, that our carelessness and pride will destroy us. Our foolish ambitions are only outstripped by their terrible consequences, a lesson we see repeated time and time again; however, we don't learn. We never do. I almost think, some days, we’re causing our own extinction.”

What’s great about this monologue is Buscemi doesn't perform it with misanthropic bitterness or irritation, as another actor would... but with quiet, sad resignation, as if he has consigned himself to this fact. This is a man who’s seen the iceberg and is trying to warn the ship, but the captain is steering for it, full speed ahead, despite seeing evidence of what happened to the other ships that hit it.

The Themes:

It has often been said that the monster movie resurgence of the late-1980's-early-1990's was due to the rise of the neo-environmentalist movement, when environmentalism ceased to be the preserve of hippies and scientists and became a mainstream hot-button issue. In a way, this is just like the Kaiju movies of the ‘50s being made in response to the atomic bomb.

Godzilla is no exception to this. The Broodmother and her offspring serve, awoken through humanity's irresponsible weapons testing, as a fairly apt overconsumption analogy. The Brood's relentless and indiscriminate consumption of organic matter reflects humanity “unthinkingly” destroying natural environments as they consume resources and, if they are allowed to reproduce out of control, threaten the entire Earth.

However, it is made clear that, at the end of the day, the Brood, like Godzilla, are just animals following their instincts, and whose population, without their natural predators, will grow out of control. It’s a subtle message about the consequences of nature being thrown out of balance.

Godzilla, conversely, represents Mother Nature, and its power to restore balance. The Brood's re-emergence threatens to throw nature out of balance – it is Godzilla's duty to restore the balance by defeating the Brood, who threaten to cause a mass extinction on an unprecedented scale. Rather less symbolically, there is also a deeply karmic, and hilarious, scene where Godzilla sinks a Japanese whaling boat.

Both in this film, and the trilogy as a whole, it is around Dr. Saperstein that the environmentalist messages are hung, even if the messaging can seem a bit mixed. On the one hand, we see Saperstein’s bemoaning of how humanity’s attempts at controlling nature will eventually bring about our own destruction, but on the other it makes the argument, through Godzilla, that nature will always find a way of balancing itself.

The Release:

Godzilla debuted at Grauman’s Chinese Theater on June 28th and released to wide audiences on July 2nd, 1997, and opened at number one to good reviews, taking the number one slot from its biggest rival that summer: MGM’s The Lost World, only to lose the slot to MGM’s The Fantastic Four two weeks later. It performed well, bringing in a wide audience, but struggled in a crowded year full of many competing films. Ultimately, it would reach an international total of $320.2 million against its $100 million budget, and is considered a slight underperformance for a tentpole feature, with many blaming the extreme competition that year from Terminator 3, The Fantastic Four, and The Lost World. It performed well in Japan, where it was considered “a good adaption” overall, with The Broodmother finding a receptive audience and leading to Toho considering importing the Broodmother into their canon.

Universal Chairman Jeff Katzenberg considered the film a disappointment, as he’d been hoping to at least beat The Lost World, but put on a good public face, appearing at a press conference with Toho’s Shogo Tomiyama to announce a planned Godzilla sequel and theme park collaborations, and took a moment to hype Roland Emmerich’s upcoming The Creature from the Black Lagoon, promising “the most ambitious creature feature yet.” But that’s a tale for another day.

The Legacy:

Godzilla 97 has largely stood the test of time. It did well on home media, spawned sequels, and is considered a great Godzilla/Gojira film, even though some purists consider it inferior to the “proper” Gojira. Along with the Godzilla animated film, it’s considered a critical part of the “Kaiju Kanon” and is seen along with Kong: King of Skull Island as one of the central releases of the 1990s “Kaiju Kraze”.

And what do I think of it? Well, I like it. It took advantage of the special effects advances of the time (the effects still hold up today), it had a good story with good characters, and most importantly it is undeniably a “Godzilla film” rather than some weird “in name only” thing.

Altogether, Godzilla 97 is a good watch and a worthy beginning to Universal’s contribution to the franchise. With strong visual direction, epic scope, and themes that have only become more relevant over time, Godzilla 97 is a must-see for casual and hard-core Godzilla fans alike.
 
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What happened? How did it happen? And most importantly, is it Gojira/Godzilla or some weird “in name only” thing as some were fearing at the time? Let’s discuss.
I'm also curious how this will turn out
eventually reaching the understanding that a monster appearing in one franchise would not be seen in the oth
I wonder how extensive this embargo is. Like can Universal introduce their own Mecha Godzilla or would that count as part of Tohos monsters?
Harlin, Elliott and Rossio built their story around the notion of Godzilla emerging in the present day, creating a new backstory for their version of the character. They clashed with Universal executives on this more serious take, with the studio wanting a more tongue-in-cheek, comedic tone. However, the studio was overruled both by the creatives and by Toho themselves, who did not want the seriousness of Godzilla’s origins downplayed.
Good thing they won, having the first American Godzilla be some kind of parody would harm the franchise and piss off the fans.
Much care was put into the design of the antagonistic Broodmother, awakened from its eons-long hibernation by depth charge tests around Odo Island. The ultimate result was a long-legged insectile creature that carries its children beneath it on its abdomen. With powerful pincers on its forelimbs and wasp-like stinger, combined with webbing-like slime to trap its victims, the Broodmother is a credible danger to Godzilla from the first time that they meet. Her children are no less dangerous, although they rely more on their slime and stingers against human prey than their claws, which mostly serve to just pull themselves along at surprising speed. Their ability to eat through anything weaker than concrete is also a nice touch, making escape more difficult for our protagonists.
Certainly a stark contrast to the trading Kajiu designs where Lizards and dinosaurs are more common. But I like it, feels very alien and also a bit survival horror like with it's brood attacking in swarms and being a lot closer in height to humans.
As an amusing side-note, when footage from the film was first released, the Broodmother was erroneously reported by many news sources as being Mothra, causing us G-fans go into a bit of an outrage at what seemed to be a complete change to the beloved character, to which Harlin had to publicly clarify that, no, the big insectoid Kaiju seen in the trailer was not Mothra and that Godzilla himself would be the only Toho kaiju to appear in the film.
Oh boy that sounds horrible 😬
Godzilla himself has a new design as well, heavily influenced by crocodiles, deep sea fish and reconstructions of theropod dinosaurs, taking the classic Godzilla design and rendering it in the framework of real animal anatomy, but with enough resemblance to the Toho versions to be fully recognizable as Godzilla, rather than some “in name only”.
I would love to see that. I imagine it a lot closer to the Godzilla from King of Monsters than the more Dinosaur like one from OTL.
We start off with a kick-ass opening sequence that explains the backstory of the film: in 1954, the crew of the U.S.S. Nautilus encountered a giant monster in the Pacific Ocean trenches. A montage follows of reports of sightings both the military and civilians have made, as well as implications that he’s responsible for sea monster myths. At the end of the prologue, we zoom in on a document to reveal the name the beast as it was given in official channels: “Godzilla”. This is all set to an instrumental version of Nine Inch Nails’ cover of Blue Öyster Cult’s “Godzilla”, which also serves as the credits song for the film.
Great opening. Almost makes it feel like this is an Alternative Universe to the original 1954 film where instead of attacking Tokyo Godzilla stayed dormant.
Outside, Colonel Joel Highwood (Robin Williams) and Privates Ben Wasserman (John Stamos) and Larry Morton (Jack Black) are trying to defuse the situation. Highwood claims that they have scanned the area and nothing untoward has been found, to the protestors’ disbelief. Despite a brief flare in hostilities when Larry trolls a couple of the protestors for a laugh, eventually, the mob is dispersed.
Weird casting. Williams is probably a delight and Black us the perfect comedic relief but John Stamos? Not my favourite pick for a leading man.
That night, the base is attacked by an unseen giant monster which wipes out the air base in hours, leaving Highwood’s unit as the only survivors. They are evacuated via helicopter, but are left wondering about the attack. During this whole scene, we are led to believe the attacking monster is Godzilla...only for it to be revealed later that it isn't.
Cool misdirection. There are probably hints that it wasn't Godzilla that you only get upon a rewatch.
Suddenly, our heroes are picked up by the US military and are taken aboard one of the ships. There, they meet scientist Dr. Henry Saperstein (Steve Buscemi) who reveals in a briefing that world governments have been keeping giant monsters secret for over 50 years, since the first were discovered in the late 1940s, and noting that the atomic bomb tests in the 1950s were attempts to kill them, with hints that there are other monsters out there. In this briefing, it’s revealed the monster that attacked the base wasn't Godzilla itself, but a large arthropod monster dubbed simply “Creature 11-A-4”. Instead, it is revealed that Godzilla is pursuing it and that the two are headed to Guam.
*sniff* Do you smell that? Smells like Sequel baiting! Also I love me some Busami.

It does really feel like the Monsterverse's explanation for Kaiju, but I guess that's the best explanation you could have. Although it makes me wonder why the Government allowed the tests then if they knew that thing was there but idk.

Also this talk about the Atom Bomb Tests being failed attempts to kill these monsters makes me hope we get to see a sand monster attack Las Vegas in a Sequel.
Eventually Godzilla and the Broodmother reach Dededo, and both them and the military square off in Dededo, destroying the city in the process; however, the Broodmother is eventually forced into a retreat, with Godzilla in pursuit, and Larry openly cheering Godzilla on. Suddenly, the unit are attacked by a creature that looks like a smaller version of the Broodmother. The unit manage to kill it, but not before Highwood is fatally injured. On the helicopter transporting them back to the ship, Highwood dies of his wounds.
RIP
In Seattle, the Broodmother and her offspring make a nest and she successfully lays her latest eggs. Godzilla arrives on the shores of Washington, makes his way to the city, and throws it down with the Broodmother and some of her offspring, whilst the rest face off against Wasserman and his unit. Our heroes destroy the Broodmother’s nest, killing most of her offspring, and Godzilla kills the Broodmother when she is distracted by flipping her onto her back, ripping off her pincers and blasting his atomic breath on her unprotected underside and tearing into it.
This is what I mean with Survival Horror, that's basically a scene from Night of the Living Dead or Aliens. Also the Kaiju battle sounds awesome.
“It wasn't just you, you know. Nature just has a way of reminding us just how insignificant we are. When we overstep, she makes sure to remind us of our real place in the grand scheme of things. Whether by tornado, earthquake...or Kaiju, she always makes us learn, in the end, that our carelessness and pride will destroy us. Our foolish ambitions are only outstripped by their terrible consequences, a lesson we see repeated time and time again; however, we don't learn. We never do. I almost think, some days, we’re causing our own extinction.”
👏👏👏 Bravo that's some beautiful dialogue and really encompasses the whole point of these movies.

Great chapter @GrahamB @Nathanoraptor @Plateosaurus @ajm8888 and of course @Geekhis Khan
 
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