One thing is for sure, the “Germany cannot be ruled by a weak leader” part is a recipe for power struggles. Only the most ruthless, machiavellian sociopaths will rule.
The Iron Eagle - The History of the Cold War
- Thread starter Kaiser of Brazil
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IRON EAGLE - PART II: 50s
Now that the first Part of the timeline has been finished, we have reached the 1950s! What do we have in store? Middle Eastern wars, American politics, Colonial wars, Nazi politics, American racial tensions, a Latin American axis, China no longer being broken up, Kingfish, Communism, McCarthy, Proxy wars, Cultural Wars, Space Race and so on!
"For God's sake Roosevelt, are we not fighting enough wars here at home?! The only ones who will win with this mess are those chaps up in Wall Street!"
"National Socialism shall return to it's roots, the energy of the Aryan man must not be wasted, but it must be directed to destroy his enemies!'
"Nazis! Nazis! You are worse than Hitler! At least he made his intentions obvious, but you brownies prefer to hide and tear us from within!"
"How can America attack the German racial policy while allowing the Klansmen to act like Nazi goons on it's own black citizens?"
"Egypt is on the march to unite the Arab world against the Syrians and Zionists, but first we must retake our canal, and if the cost is a talk with Mr. Mussolini then so be it!"
"The Germans are Iran's natural ally against the British imperialists, they are our greatest hope of bringing modernization and power to our proud millenarian people."
"All power to the President, the true representative of God and Nation! Salgado will save us from Cosmopolitan degeneracy!"
"Honor Mao, Destroy the traitors!"
"Per Aspera, Ad Astra!"
"For God's sake Roosevelt, are we not fighting enough wars here at home?! The only ones who will win with this mess are those chaps up in Wall Street!"
"National Socialism shall return to it's roots, the energy of the Aryan man must not be wasted, but it must be directed to destroy his enemies!'
"Nazis! Nazis! You are worse than Hitler! At least he made his intentions obvious, but you brownies prefer to hide and tear us from within!"
"How can America attack the German racial policy while allowing the Klansmen to act like Nazi goons on it's own black citizens?"
"Egypt is on the march to unite the Arab world against the Syrians and Zionists, but first we must retake our canal, and if the cost is a talk with Mr. Mussolini then so be it!"
"The Germans are Iran's natural ally against the British imperialists, they are our greatest hope of bringing modernization and power to our proud millenarian people."
"All power to the President, the true representative of God and Nation! Salgado will save us from Cosmopolitan degeneracy!"
"Honor Mao, Destroy the traitors!"
"Per Aspera, Ad Astra!"
Have you ever seen an Axis victory timeline with a Communist China?
I was thinking that Communism would be as dead ITTL as Nazism is in our own, but that looks not to be the case.
Not really, though @B_Munro has done some one-shots where the PRC still arose in an Axis Victory scenario (like his take on Fatherland and his expansion on his MotF scenario on the collapse of the Nazi Empire). Though TBF, both of said one-shots had rump USSRs in Siberia, so there was that.
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I wonder how will you use McCarty,just so you know the guy did not did not blacklist the Communists in Hollywood, that is a frequent misconception that he was responsible for the hearings that caused many writers to be blacklisted, but no it happened long before so called McCarthyis era. What's even less know is that the whole hearing responsible for the blacklisting was made up of American communists who wanted to silent the writers who had revealed the existence of communists in Hollywood. What McCarthy actually did was leading the hearing in the senate to clear the government and armed forces of communists. This was later on lump together with the earlier Hollywood hearing even though they did not have anything in common.What is more he was was completely right, elements of communists and the Frankfort School infiltrated every high level of government and higher level education starting in the 20's and have been perpetuating their ideals ever since.This makes me wonder will Frankfort school survive or they will adapt nazi ideology whit their communist ideology and create national bolshevism as cure to nazis
The President this time is not Truman or Eisenhower, a man like Long would be much more supportive of the Committee so long as it goes after his enemies. McCarthy in this world has the added prestige of being a war hero, leading the defense of the Wheeler Air Force Base in Hawaii. While the committee won’t be leaving communist infiltration ignored, the main target here are German agents, which were just shown to have caused a massive government scandal that indirectly led to the death of a President. As for the Frankfurt school, I doubt they would reach the same prominence without their reestablishment after the war, and the fact a movement that went against almost everything they preached just managed to take a broken nation like 1933 Weimar Republic and turned it into the Continental hegemon in 10 years would be enough to discredit them. The whole field of philosophical, sociological, racial, and political thoughts of this world would be completely different the more time goes on in this reality.
Ah, nevermind. Bormann in a video game has a trait called silent workhorse. I was wondering if you'd intentionally used the same word.
Well my Law College is starting back up again so I won’t be able to upload as quickly as in these last two months. Besides, I need also to think of the next chapter’s theme and research it. I might either do Long’s government, Chinese Civil War, or something else.
I also pretend to make things a bit more fast paced as most of the countries already had their backgrounds established. I’m aware I’m still lacking both a Chinese and a British chapter, I plan to make a Chinese chapter in the future, the issue about the British chapter for me is the fact I do not know much if British politics in general, which would’ve diverged significantly with the eternal presence of a hostile continental hegemon (Britain’s greatest historical fear). There was also no Battle of Britain and no Winston Churchill Premiership, add in the fact Edward VIII is King and things wouldn’t be the same. Would Atlee be able to push the NHS when the government spending would be far more military-focused? What will be the long-term effects of a more militarized “Fortress Britain”? One thing is for sure, British support for decolonization would be far lower when the resources of the Commonwealth might be the one thing preventing them from being obliterated by tens of thousands of Luftwaffe planes across the channel. After all, one cant really rely much on the Long Administration to be involved in a war in Europe after the little “Dakar Incident”.
It is many times assumed automatically that without the Soviet Union, there would be no communist China. That’s mostly by ignoring the sheer level of corruption, destruction, and unpopularity of Chiang’s China. The communists were not destined to win, but here, with the NRA bearing millions of losses, with the main eastern cities devastated by Japanese troops, Chiang won’t be in a better situation than he was.
I wonder if ITTL in an ironic twist of fate we will end up seeing the USA sponsoring and then supporting left-wing coups and quasi-communist regimes in Central and South America just like they did with right-wing and semi-fascist regimes in OTL...
Likely not.
Right-wing regimes in Latin America might have a few ideological common points with the Reich, but are still of a different character (much closer to Franco or Petain than Hitler). More importantly, none of them would be suicidal enough to get close to the Reich when the USA can embargo/blockade/invade/bomb/coup them and their country easily.