The Iron Eagle - The History of the Cold War
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As usual timeline as excellent as ever for the succession I vote Speer as he is the only one who would be willing to make great reforms for the reich and who could bring about the partial return of democracy.
Himmler could give him the Crimea, so that he could have his own SS state, which he wanted to call gotenland (himmler really wanted his own state but he preferred burgundy as his first choice) otherwise I'd like to know what will become of France
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Himmler could give him the Crimea, so that he could have his own SS state, which he wanted to call gotenland (himmler really wanted his own state but he preferred burgundy as his first choice) otherwise I'd like to know what will become of France
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Yeah the best way to try and curb the SS's power is to give them a region to rule over. While it wouldn't be a good idea* to carve out a huge chunk of France unless Vichy France is collapsing giving them a nice chunk out of (former) Russia will work just as well. And you can always throw in some BS about the SS being the new Teutonic knights to make it stick.
Also I agree that Speer is the best choice for Hitler's successor. Though I wouldn't be opposed to reading about Goering's Reich.
*Not that the Nazis were necessarily opposed to making stupid decisions , obviously.
to be more precise what I wanted to say is that Himmler's dream was to create a great burgundy but that it was necessary to avoid this by giving him the Crimea (alias gotenland) otherwise I agree with what you say
I would say that you should use that Latin American country kinda like a interlude, for a break between major powers. And if I have to vote on a successor, I would vote on Speer and Heydrich. If for the memes, ultimate capitalist man, and iron man.
If he made his flight to Brittan in TTl it will hurt his chances. Even if Hitler doesn't do anything about it, others will likely try to paint him as a coward or a traitor to whittle away any powerbase.
While he is still a British admirer and plane enthusiast, he did not make his infamous flight to Britain.
Hm, does Speer really have that strong position to be considered a contender for the leadership?
I personally hope either for duo Hess & Bormann, if only because it's just that unique, or for Heydrich, as I think he is ruthless and efficient enough to keep Germany afloat and give the rest of the world some problems. Still, no matter who is planned to win, I will wait impatiently for the next chapters. It looks very promising. Good luck with writing!
I personally hope either for duo Hess & Bormann, if only because it's just that unique, or for Heydrich, as I think he is ruthless and efficient enough to keep Germany afloat and give the rest of the world some problems. Still, no matter who is planned to win, I will wait impatiently for the next chapters. It looks very promising. Good luck with writing!
Heydrich is very close to Himmler, and both of them think that Hitler is too "soft", and have a terrifying vision of national socialism, as for them only "pure" Aryans have the right to live, the others are only "degenerates", who should be happy to be killed, the best example of this is in TNO the last days of europe, so Heydrich is a very bad idea unless you want a nuclear holocaust
The mod is not necessarily an accurate representation of the personalities of the various people within, and any characters in it have been further ramped up to insanity to make an already dystopian Nazi victory hell world into an unprecedented nightmare that eludes description.
Himmler would likely sink a lot of resources into ethnomythological fantasies of his and get into needless fights with Christianity, but I don't see him as quite deluded enough to dive head first into the woodchipper of atomic war in some attempt at racial purification.
Heydrich is a horrific mixture of fanaticism and pragmatism - the Reich has not yet integrated the East as economically viable areas and will not do so for generations - its status as superpower is built on the fact that there are no continental rivals that could topple it by force, but to truly fulfill the "Germanic destiny" the East must belong to the Germanic race, not just by lines on a map but also by blood. And that is likely the result; utterly uncompromising implementation of Generalplan Ost and Lebensborn, all while the world watches in horror.
While Heydrich and Himmler start off close by the time of the Tag des Sieges, people like Bormann and their natural ambitions will drive the two of them apart in time because a Heydrich-Himmler alliance is practically unstoppable in their power. And I am not basing my timeline on a videogame mod, even if it is quite good in capturing the bleak essence of a German Victory in WWII, they greatly exaggerate some of the figures. Himmler, despite his esotericism and genocidal fantasies, would not go far enough to desire a Nuclear Holocaust that would kill the majority of the Germans themselves, Göring wasn’t an incompetent militarist buffoon, and Bormann would not possess the needed charisma to make himself a popular successor, he would most likely rule the Reich from the shadows like he did in our world.
Or Germany falls apart or reforms some like the Soviet Union. I vote for Goring myself.
Why would Hitler attend any conference about the Holocaust when IOTL he didn’t attend the Wannsee Conference and did his best to not leave a paper trial connecting him to the extermination of Jews?
The circumstances are heavily changed due to the end of the War, privately, Hitler cared much about his legacy and how he would be seen by future generations of Germans, and once he first started privately doubting about the triumph in the war after the failure of Operation Typhoon, he became more cautious about how History would judge him if he was defeated (One of the reasons why he chose to kill himself as a form of “martyrdom” instead of being captured and put on trial). In here, the War, which practically dominated the politics of the Reich during half of its existence, is over, and the focus of the Nazis is now directed to the “Reorganization” of Europe (Which I shall expand upon in a future chapter). Besides, he did discuss the holocaust many times with his subordinates such as Himmler and Heydrich, it’s not far fetched to believe he would now focus on dealing with his “greatest enemy” once Germany was no longer fighting the majority of the world.
If you can provide me with a counter-argument, I would happily change this detail, although it is really a minor point within the major context to say that Hitler would be present in this alternate conference.
While I do really want to see the pacific war play out , can you give us a quick rundown on who owns what in Africa and the middle east? Who controls French Africa? What middle eastern states are independent and what are under Italian dominion? And did the Congo get returned to the Reich's puppet Belgium?
The Axis did not achieve a total victory in the Mediterranean, while Malta and Gibraltar were taken, the British still control the Middle East, and other than giving a few concessions (Italy receiving Djibouti and Somaliland with a few agreements over the passage of Axis ships through the Suez Canal), Hitler did not have great interest over the Middle East and Africa other than giving a pat in the back to a few old Colonialists in the Reich and Oil extraction (Which is largely no longer necessary due to the control of the Caucasus). The French were the biggest losers by far, with Equatorial and much of West Africa under British occupation (Being held by General de Gaulle’s Free France), along with Syria being occupied by British forces. While the Middle East will undoubtedly become a major front of the Cold War, for now Hitler has little interest in an area inhabited by “inferior races” and is far more preoccupied with the General Plan Ost and the consolidation of the New Order in Europe.