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And instead of fixing the parachutes, they developed the FG 42.

Which is a great piece of weaponry, but I thought they would have noticed their parachutes were kinda lousy before they moved on to the new weaponry.
LOL Yes quite!

It would have been a great weapon in peace time but as it was made of unobtanium by the Dwarfs under the mountain and stamped using a dead star and quenched in fairy tears they were not able to make many (I believe 7000 combined of both versions).
 
Defending the Peloponnese across the Isthmus of Corinth should be easy enough once the bridges are down. The more likely issue will be positioning sufficient troops at Patras to prevent a crossing there
 
Seems like if they had not started evactuating, they allies might have had a shot at actually holding Thermopylae indefinitely if they had enough aircraft positioned on the Peloponnese and a few of the now evacuated troops were also on the defensive line. It is probably still quite implausible, but I do imagine that in this timeline, people will consider ATL's where this position is strong enough to repulse whatever Jerry has in the field quite interesting and likely.
 
Seems like if they had not started evactuating, they allies might have had a shot at actually holding Thermopylae indefinitely if they had enough aircraft positioned on the Peloponnese and a few of the now evacuated troops were also on the defensive line. It is probably still quite implausible, but I do imagine that in this timeline, people will consider ATL's where this position is strong enough to repulse whatever Jerry has in the field quite interesting and likely.
The problem is, it's possible to bypass Thermopylae, by forcing a crossing into the Peloponnese at Patras, as was done OTL.
 
I used to think that the Peloponnese would be quite defensible but then when I drove around Patras (which now has a bridge), it doesn't feel that far from the mainland. A defending force would have had to cover quite a lot of coast in addition to the canal zone and if, like here, the attackers have a massive air advantage, then even harder.
 
I used to think that the Peloponnese would be quite defensible but then when I drove around Patras (which now has a bridge), it doesn't feel that far from the mainland. A defending force would have had to cover quite a lot of coast in addition to the canal zone and if, like here, the attackers have a massive air advantage, then even harder.
Yep. The Germans can't be stopped, only delayed. Still, every day they're delayed, and every extra casualty they're cost is a bonus.
 
Yep. The Germans can't be stopped, only delayed. Still, every day they're delayed, and every extra casualty they're cost is a bonus.

They can be delayed, but at what cost to allied forces?

Even if you're going to attempt a fighting retreat I would argue you still need to give your ground forces adequate air support so the LW can't assymetrically destroy them from above.

Withdrawing RAF fighter cover in its entirety is a tactical failure if you're going to try to fight down the Peloponnese. At the very least you need to keep a few squadrons at your final evacuation port (potentially Kalamata), to provide some air cover as your forces withdraw South. Otherwise instead of a fight, it just becomes a one-sided sacrifice as you're setting yourself up to take significantly higher casualties than your enemy.
 
26 April 1941. Thermopylae Line, Greece.
26 April 1941. Thermopylae Line, Greece.

During the night the forward companies of 25th Battalion, 6th Brigade of 2nd New Zealand Division, which had borne the brunt of the fighting the day before had been able to disengage and fall back towards Molos. All things considered, their casualties hadn’t been as heavy as feared, the Division’s artillery had protected them from too much direct contact. 24th Battalion at Ayia Trias were now facing the onslaught of the German 72nd Infantry Division. The remaining guns of 5th Field Regiment and many of the anti-tank guns had also been withdrawn during the night. Three A13 tanks had been dug in to provide an anti-tank capability, as well as their co-axial machine guns providing extra firepower.

The mounting pressure by the Germans on the Greek Battalion on the left flank of the Brallos Pass had caused them to pull back further up the hills, meaning that a gap between them and the Australians was beginning to grow. As this became more obvious, Brigadier Vasey ordered the 2/11th Battalion to withdraw from the forward slope of the pass and join 2/8th Battalion at Gravia, and get ready to move out that evening. The 2/4th Battalion, now complete as the Company attached to the Greeks had returned, were to continue to hold the crest and rear slope of the pass, hopefully the demolitions that would be carried out as 2/11th Battalion withdrew would help slow the Germans. The Divisional artillery, with the expectation they would be evacuated, would not stint on supporting the infantry, there was little point in carrying any ammunition away with them.

The German 6th Mountain Division and 72nd Infantry Division, on whom most of the fighting on 26 April fell, found the Greeks, Australians and New Zealanders to be tenacious in defence. The progress the Germans made usually coincided with Luftwaffe attacks, during which the artillery generally tried to prevent their positions being given away. Casualties on both sides mounted, the Australian 2/11th Battalion and 24th New Zealand Battalion being particularly hit hard, a whole platoon of 2/11th battalion were cut off and those not killed, were captured.

In the late afternoon, the progress of the 6th Mountain Division around the flank of the Greek Battalion caused problems. Brigadier Vasey ordered the two effective Companies of 2/8th Battalion to move forward and re-establish the Australian connection to their Greek allies. This local counterattack caused the German forward troops to disengage, allowing most of the Greek troops to fall back towards Brallos.

General Blamey, as Corps Commander, had decided that the chances of being outflanked from the west were too high, and so he’d ordered the other two Battalions of the New Zealand 5th Brigade back to where their mates were preparing positions at Erithrai. This would be the line to which the New Zealanders would fall back through, heading then through Athens to the beaches at Raphina and Porto Raphti. 5th Brigade would hold the blocking position, to allow 4th and 6th Brigade to go directly to the beaches.

The Australian infantry battalions would move over the Corinth Canal towards the embarkation ports of Nouplia and, with heavier Luftwaffe attempts to slow the evacuation, to Kalamata. The Australian and New Zealand artillery regiments would head for Pireas to try to get as many guns away as possible. The way things were shaping up at Thermopylae, Admiral Baillie-Grohman had brought forward the plan to evacuate the two fighting divisions, which had been due to begin on the night of the 28/29 April, would now begin on 27/28 April. This would mean that the line at Thermopylae would only have to be held this day, with the pull out beginning at dusk. Much of 1st Armoured Brigade, having had a chance to do some maintenance on their tanks, and rest for a day or so, would once again, with infantry supplied by the Australian 17th Brigade, be the covering force to slow any German advance chasing the withdrawing Empire forces.

As dusk descended, Brigadier Vasey’s men started to thin out their positions, and the transport for the troops moved up during the night to allow the men the shortest march out. Vasey’s losses meant that there was space for most of the Greek troops to be able to board the lorries and go with the Australians on their overnight journey.
The New Zealanders, against whom the Germans had made little progress, also withdrew during the night, so that when the 72nd Division attack on Molos began at dawn, they found nothing but demolitions and mines.
 
I'd imagine the German troops are starting to get frustrated at the allies constantly slipping away from them. There could well be "Incidents".
That and marching through a meat grinder. They drive the Brits off, advance a few miles, slam into prepared defences, lose a load of men and munitions. Advance again, slam, repeat while their enemy gets away each time relatively intact.

Greece won't be a defeat for Germany but between the losses and then years of raids from Crete making life miserable for the garrison it will be the most bitter kind of victory for them.

They're going to end up in an Asterix situation, one little island holding out, and life is not easy for the garrison's of the fortified camps of rapist, butcher, looter and racist...
 
That and marching through a meat grinder. They drive the Brits off, advance a few miles, slam into prepared defences, lose a load of men and munitions. Advance again, slam, repeat while their enemy gets away each time relatively intact.

Greece won't be a defeat for Germany but between the losses and then years of raids from Crete making life miserable for the garrison it will be the most bitter kind of victory for them.

They're going to end up in an Asterix situation, one little island holding out, and life is not easy for the garrison's of the fortified camps of rapist, butcher, looter and racist...
Not just raids from Crete, using Crete (and maybe some other islands) as a base to supply the Geek resistance.
 
As others have pointed out, Crete falling is very unlikely or outright impossible TTL. However, OTL Crete is known to have inspired some things that would end up proving critical for Overlord, namely the use of airborne infantry on the Allied side. Will that be butterflied here?
 
As others have pointed out, Crete falling is very unlikely or outright impossible TTL. However, OTL Crete is known to have inspired some things that would end up proving critical for Overlord, namely the use of airborne infantry on the Allied side. Will that be butterflied here?
Depends if Nazi Germany uses paratroops in Russia or somewhere else to good effect, I guess?
 
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