Not really, to be honest. It's incredibly convergent, pretty unimaginative, and very hard to read.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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AidanM - Alternate History Where the 22nd Amendment Limited Candidates to One Six Year Term
Alternate History Where the 22nd Amendment Limited Candidates to One Six Year Term
1953-1959: Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon
1959-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant*
1965-1971: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey**
1971-1974: Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
1974-1977: Spiro Agnew/Vacant***
1977-1983: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
1983-1989: George H. W. Bush/Bob Dole
1989-1995: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
1995-2001: Al Gore/Joe Biden
2001-2007: John McCain/Condoleezza Rice
2007-2013: Condoleezza Rice/George W. Bush
2013-2019: Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama
2019-2025: Barack Obama/Martin O'Malley
2025-2031: Kamala Harris/Cory Booker
* John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963. Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson ascended to the presidency.
** Because he had served less than 3 years on Kennedy's elected term, Johnson was eligible to win a full term in his own right.
*** Richard Nixon, to avoid impeachment, resigned in 1974. His Vice President, Spiro Agnew, became the next President.
1953-1959: Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon
1959-1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant*
1965-1971: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey**
1971-1974: Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew
1974-1977: Spiro Agnew/Vacant***
1977-1983: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
1983-1989: George H. W. Bush/Bob Dole
1989-1995: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
1995-2001: Al Gore/Joe Biden
2001-2007: John McCain/Condoleezza Rice
2007-2013: Condoleezza Rice/George W. Bush
2013-2019: Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama
2019-2025: Barack Obama/Martin O'Malley
2025-2031: Kamala Harris/Cory Booker
* John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22, 1963. Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson ascended to the presidency.
** Because he had served less than 3 years on Kennedy's elected term, Johnson was eligible to win a full term in his own right.
*** Richard Nixon, to avoid impeachment, resigned in 1974. His Vice President, Spiro Agnew, became the next President.
shiftygiant - Major's Legacy
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
Decided to have a go at one of the quick and dirty lists based on term limits- but with a twist.
Major's Legacy
ASB premise: What if John Major is defeated in 1995 (not the space bat, as he nearly stepped down if not for two votes), and he puts forward a PMB that sets the limit for the Premiership to be 8 years?
1990-1995: John Major (Conservative)
def. 1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1997-2005: Tony Blair (Labour)
def. 1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
def. 2001: Michael Portillo (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats)
2005-2009: Gordon Brown (Labour) *
def. 2006: Ann Widdecombe (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2014: Alan Johnson (Labour)
def. 2011 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): George Osborne (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Tim Congdon (UKIP)
2014-2022: George Osborne (Conservative)
def. 2014: Alan Johnson (Labour), Norman Lamb (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Christopher Monckton (UKIP)
der. 2019 (Communities Coalition): Ed Balls (Labour), Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrats), Anglela Constance (SNP), Steven Woolfe (Communities), Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
2022-20??: Sajid Javid (Conservative)
*Forced out due to poor performance in local elections and in the European Parliament.
Actually this works without the asb input fuck
Major's Legacy
ASB premise: What if John Major is defeated in 1995 (not the space bat, as he nearly stepped down if not for two votes), and he puts forward a PMB that sets the limit for the Premiership to be 8 years?
1990-1995: John Major (Conservative)
def. 1992: Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
1995-1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative)
1997-2005: Tony Blair (Labour)
def. 1997: Michael Heseltine (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Liberal Democrats)
def. 2001: Michael Portillo (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats)
2005-2009: Gordon Brown (Labour) *
def. 2006: Ann Widdecombe (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats)
2009-2014: Alan Johnson (Labour)
def. 2011 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): George Osborne (Conservative), Simon Hughes (Liberal Democrats), Tim Congdon (UKIP)
2014-2022: George Osborne (Conservative)
def. 2014: Alan Johnson (Labour), Norman Lamb (Liberal Democrats), Alex Salmond (SNP), Christopher Monckton (UKIP)
der. 2019 (Communities Coalition): Ed Balls (Labour), Jeremy Browne (Liberal Democrats), Anglela Constance (SNP), Steven Woolfe (Communities), Paul Nuttal (UKIP)
2022-20??: Sajid Javid (Conservative)
*Forced out due to poor performance in local elections and in the European Parliament.
Actually this works without the asb input fuck
Mumby - SFIO/PCF get a Yes Vote in 1946
Moving swiftly on...
1945-1946: Charles de Gaulle (Independent)
1945 (Three Parties Alliance of PCF, MRP and SFIO) def. various (Conservatives), various (Radical Socialists)
1946-1951: Felix Gouin (SFIO)
1946 (Popular Front of PCF and SFIO) def. Georges Bidault (MRP), various (Moderates), Jean-Paul David (Rally of the Republican Lefts)
1951-1957: Maurice Thorez (PCF)
1951 (Popular Front of PCF and SFIO) def. Georges Bidault (MRP), Charles de Gaulle (RPF), none (CNIP), Jean-Paul David (Rally of the Republican Lefts)
1955 (Popular Front of PCF, SFIO and UDSR) def. none (Centre Right Alliance of CNIP, MRP and Rally of Left Republicans), Charles de Gaulle (RPF), Pierre Poujade (UFF)
1957-1958: Jacques Massu (Independent leading Military Junta)
1958-1963: Jacques Massu (UNF)
1958 (National Unity Alliance of CNIP, UNF and MRP) def. none (PCF), Guy Mollet (SFIO), none (UDSR)
So the SFIO and the PCF work together and manage to secure a yes vote in the constitutional referendum of 1946. They goes on to secure a majority in the now unicameral National Assembly later in the year.
The Popular Front holds together in the face of a divided right until Maurice Thorez makes moves to grant Algeria independence, something which cost him enough votes before 1955 to require him to form an alliance Francois Mitterand's UDSR. The OAS enact a military coup, and in 1958 create their own political party, the Union for a New France which is bolted together out of conservatives, poujadistes and the old Gaullist Party. The CNIP emerges the largest party, but it is clear the tail wags the dog. Maurice Thorez and Francois Mitterand have disappeared, and the PCF has refused to take it's seats in the 'illegitimate' National Assembly.
1945-1946: Charles de Gaulle (Independent)
1945 (Three Parties Alliance of PCF, MRP and SFIO) def. various (Conservatives), various (Radical Socialists)
1946-1951: Felix Gouin (SFIO)
1946 (Popular Front of PCF and SFIO) def. Georges Bidault (MRP), various (Moderates), Jean-Paul David (Rally of the Republican Lefts)
1951-1957: Maurice Thorez (PCF)
1951 (Popular Front of PCF and SFIO) def. Georges Bidault (MRP), Charles de Gaulle (RPF), none (CNIP), Jean-Paul David (Rally of the Republican Lefts)
1955 (Popular Front of PCF, SFIO and UDSR) def. none (Centre Right Alliance of CNIP, MRP and Rally of Left Republicans), Charles de Gaulle (RPF), Pierre Poujade (UFF)
1957-1958: Jacques Massu (Independent leading Military Junta)
1958-1963: Jacques Massu (UNF)
1958 (National Unity Alliance of CNIP, UNF and MRP) def. none (PCF), Guy Mollet (SFIO), none (UDSR)
So the SFIO and the PCF work together and manage to secure a yes vote in the constitutional referendum of 1946. They goes on to secure a majority in the now unicameral National Assembly later in the year.
The Popular Front holds together in the face of a divided right until Maurice Thorez makes moves to grant Algeria independence, something which cost him enough votes before 1955 to require him to form an alliance Francois Mitterand's UDSR. The OAS enact a military coup, and in 1958 create their own political party, the Union for a New France which is bolted together out of conservatives, poujadistes and the old Gaullist Party. The CNIP emerges the largest party, but it is clear the tail wags the dog. Maurice Thorez and Francois Mitterand have disappeared, and the PCF has refused to take it's seats in the 'illegitimate' National Assembly.
jolou - France fights on
Far Right
Right
Center-Right
Center-Left
Left
Far-Left
Progressistes (Thinks Podemos )
Alternate Fight France On
President of the council of the III Republic
1940-1940 Paul Reynaud [1]
1940-1942 Léon Blum [2]
1942-1945 Charles De Gaulle [3]
President of the Council of the IV Republic
1945-1948 Pierre Mendès France [4]
1948-1957 Robert Schuman [5]
1957-1961 André Malraux [6]
1961-1965 Philippe Leclerc de Hautclocque [7]
1965-1969 Gaston Monnerville [8]
1969-1970 Charles De Gaulle [9]
1970-1976 François Mitterand [10]
1976-1985 Jean Gabin [11]
1985-1993 Jean-Pierre-Chevènement [12]
1993-1994 Charles Bonaparte [13]
1994-1998 Marie-France Garaud [14]
1998-2008 François Hollande [15]
2008-2015 Nicolas Sarkozy [16]
2015-2015 No Governement [17]
2015-2019 Philippe Martinez [18]
[1] POD : Death of Helene de Portes with Petain during a cars crash . Reynaud resign after the French Governement go to Alger
[2]Lead France during the battle for Africa, Greece and the beginning of the Battle of Italy. He represent the French during the redaction of the Atlantic Charter . It is during his leadership that the first law in favor of the Algerian are passed . He is killed by German Soldiers in Tunis at a Prisoner camp
[3] He was the Minister of War for both Reynaud and Blum Governement , he is designated President du Conseil by a Bi Partisan move . It is during his leadership that France was liberated in 1943 and Germany invaded in 1944 . He represent France at the Yalta Conference . He lost the Election in 1945 like Churchill
[4]He is Elected at the head of a Left Coalition and notably created the Social Security. He left Indochina Succesfully (which will became like South Korea ), it is his attempts to leave Algeria too that will provoke his fall.
[5]The Great European . He created the CECA, ECD, EEC . He leave due to a bad health
[6] Launch in Politics with the help of General De Gaulle , he came into power due to the algerian war . He created the Algerian Autonomous Community with it's own parlement . But the Hard Right leave him and he is forced to resign
[7] Politique de la Grandeur . It is during his time that France will launch its first Atomic Weapons . He will also created the French Space Program and the Union Française (A French Commonwealth ) it is that last move that will provoke his fall and he is dismissed by the Parlement
[8]A Period of calm until his death in an accident
[9] An interim Presidency until the election in 1970
[10] He legalize Abortion but fails to abolize Death Penalty . Due to a bad economy, his party will lost the Election in 1975 and he will resign in 1976
[11] Reagan Analogue
[12] A member of nearly Far Left party is elected . Gabineconomic are stopped, he abolize Death Penalty, he legalize Union for Homosexual . He his also against the Gulf War and the biggest support of Gorbatchev .
[13] He is killed in Dallas during a visit at the hometown of the American President by a member of the Far Right who thinks that he was a Communist
[14] First Woman to be President du Conseil .
[15] The Most Popular PdC ! The French needed an energic PdC and they got it ! He fallen from grace due to a sexual scandal likely created by his rival DSK .
[16]The most corrupt PdC and maybe most unpopular . He is forced to resign after weeks of protest due to a law that could abolish minimal wages
[17] No governement were formed until the election
[18] The French People say No to the traditional party and elected the new party of the former CGT leader who will became the leader of the New Left in the world
This Collaboratif TL was written here : http://forumuchronies.frenchboard.com/t172p25-liste-alternative-de-president-de-la-republique
Right
Center-Right
Center-Left
Left
Far-Left
Progressistes (Thinks Podemos )
Alternate Fight France On
President of the council of the III Republic
1940-1940 Paul Reynaud [1]
1940-1942 Léon Blum [2]
1942-1945 Charles De Gaulle [3]
President of the Council of the IV Republic
1945-1948 Pierre Mendès France [4]
1948-1957 Robert Schuman [5]
1957-1961 André Malraux [6]
1961-1965 Philippe Leclerc de Hautclocque [7]
1965-1969 Gaston Monnerville [8]
1969-1970 Charles De Gaulle [9]
1970-1976 François Mitterand [10]
1976-1985 Jean Gabin [11]
1985-1993 Jean-Pierre-Chevènement [12]
1993-1994 Charles Bonaparte [13]
1994-1998 Marie-France Garaud [14]
1998-2008 François Hollande [15]
2008-2015 Nicolas Sarkozy [16]
2015-2015 No Governement [17]
2015-2019 Philippe Martinez [18]
[1] POD : Death of Helene de Portes with Petain during a cars crash . Reynaud resign after the French Governement go to Alger
[2]Lead France during the battle for Africa, Greece and the beginning of the Battle of Italy. He represent the French during the redaction of the Atlantic Charter . It is during his leadership that the first law in favor of the Algerian are passed . He is killed by German Soldiers in Tunis at a Prisoner camp
[3] He was the Minister of War for both Reynaud and Blum Governement , he is designated President du Conseil by a Bi Partisan move . It is during his leadership that France was liberated in 1943 and Germany invaded in 1944 . He represent France at the Yalta Conference . He lost the Election in 1945 like Churchill
[4]He is Elected at the head of a Left Coalition and notably created the Social Security. He left Indochina Succesfully (which will became like South Korea ), it is his attempts to leave Algeria too that will provoke his fall.
[5]The Great European . He created the CECA, ECD, EEC . He leave due to a bad health
[6] Launch in Politics with the help of General De Gaulle , he came into power due to the algerian war . He created the Algerian Autonomous Community with it's own parlement . But the Hard Right leave him and he is forced to resign
[7] Politique de la Grandeur . It is during his time that France will launch its first Atomic Weapons . He will also created the French Space Program and the Union Française (A French Commonwealth ) it is that last move that will provoke his fall and he is dismissed by the Parlement
[8]A Period of calm until his death in an accident
[9] An interim Presidency until the election in 1970
[10] He legalize Abortion but fails to abolize Death Penalty . Due to a bad economy, his party will lost the Election in 1975 and he will resign in 1976
[11] Reagan Analogue
[12] A member of nearly Far Left party is elected . Gabineconomic are stopped, he abolize Death Penalty, he legalize Union for Homosexual . He his also against the Gulf War and the biggest support of Gorbatchev .
[13] He is killed in Dallas during a visit at the hometown of the American President by a member of the Far Right who thinks that he was a Communist
[14] First Woman to be President du Conseil .
[15] The Most Popular PdC ! The French needed an energic PdC and they got it ! He fallen from grace due to a sexual scandal likely created by his rival DSK .
[16]The most corrupt PdC and maybe most unpopular . He is forced to resign after weeks of protest due to a law that could abolish minimal wages
[17] No governement were formed until the election
[18] The French People say No to the traditional party and elected the new party of the former CGT leader who will became the leader of the New Left in the world
This Collaboratif TL was written here : http://forumuchronies.frenchboard.com/t172p25-liste-alternative-de-president-de-la-republique
AidanM - Democraticwank; A Century of Democrats
Uber-Dem Wank, 100 Years of Democrats
1933-1941: Franklin D. Roosevelt/John Nance Garner1941-1945: Frankin D. Roosevelt/Henry A. Wallace
1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman
1945-1949: Harry S. Truman/Vacant
1949-1953: Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley
1953-1961: Adlai Stevenson II/John Sparkman
1961-1969: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1969-1977: Hubert Humphrey/Edmund Muskie
1977-1985: Jimmy Cater/Walter Mondale
1985-1993: Jerry Brown/Geraldine Ferraro
1993-2001: Bill Clinton/Al Gore
2001-2009: Al Gore/Joe Lieberman
2009-2017: John Kerry/Howard Dean
2017-2025: Barack Obama/Martin O'Malley
2025-2033: Kamala Harris/Cory Booker
Accurateworldwar - A C O M P L E T E L Y A C C U R A T E L I S T
Accurateworldwar
Banned
A C O M P L E T E L Y A C C U R A T E L I S T
45. Screaming Ball of Rage*/That Guy in Church That Everyone Hates (1/20/17-1/21/17)
-defeated E-mails/Safe White Guy in 2016
46. That Guy in Church That Everyone Hates**/A Fucking Moderate (2017-2019)
47. A Fucking Moderate***/The Texan with the Punchable Face (3/24/19-7/1/19)
48. The Texan with the Punchable Face/Another Fucking Moderate (2019-2021)
49. The Great Progressive Hope/That Hawaiian Tankie that Thinks She's Progressive (2021-2029)
-defeated The Texan with the Punchable Face/Another Fucking Moderate in 2020
-defeated Some Asshole Governor/Another Asshole in 2024
*Didn't want to deal with this presidential shit
**Was caught doing inappropriate things with his intern
***Caught some disease or some shit I don't give a fuck
45. Screaming Ball of Rage*/That Guy in Church That Everyone Hates (1/20/17-1/21/17)
-defeated E-mails/Safe White Guy in 2016
46. That Guy in Church That Everyone Hates**/A Fucking Moderate (2017-2019)
47. A Fucking Moderate***/The Texan with the Punchable Face (3/24/19-7/1/19)
48. The Texan with the Punchable Face/Another Fucking Moderate (2019-2021)
49. The Great Progressive Hope/That Hawaiian Tankie that Thinks She's Progressive (2021-2029)
-defeated The Texan with the Punchable Face/Another Fucking Moderate in 2020
-defeated Some Asshole Governor/Another Asshole in 2024
*Didn't want to deal with this presidential shit
**Was caught doing inappropriate things with his intern
***Caught some disease or some shit I don't give a fuck
spookyscaryskeletons - No Country Too Strong
This is pulpy beyond all belief.
NO COUNTRY TOO STRONG
1929-1933: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1928 def. Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1933-1934: George H. Dern / vacant (Democratic)
1932 def. Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1934-1937: John N. Garner / vacant (Democratic)
1937-1938: Frederick Steiwer / Robert Moses (Republican)
1936 def. John N. Garner / Albert Ritchie (Democratic), Huey P. Long / William E. Borah (Union), Norman Thomas / James Maurer (Socialist)
1938-1939: Frederick Steiwer / vacant (Republican)
1939-1941: Frederick Steiwer / Henry L. Stimson (Republican)
1941-1943: vacant / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic)
1940 def. Huey P. Long / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic), Frederick Steiwer / Frank Knox (Republican), Charles Lindbergh / Virgil Effinger (American Independent)
1943-1945: Frederick Steiwer / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic / Republican)
1945-1953: Henry A. Wallace / Henry C. Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1944 def. Alben W. Barkley / Hugo L. Black (Democratic), Huey P. Long / Prentiss Brown (Independence), Dan Moody / Martin Dies (Texas Regulars)
1948 def. James V. Forrestal / Lloyd C. Stark (Democratic)
1953-1961: J. Lawton Collins / Hubert H. Humphrey (Republican)
1952 def. Jimmy Roosevelt / A. B. Chandler (Democratic)
1956 def. Marion Zioncheck / John McSweeney (Democratic), Edsel Ford / C. R. Smith (Independent)
1961-1965: Lucille D. Ball / Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. (Democratic)
1960 def. Hubert H. Humphrey / John W. Bricker (Republican), George Smathers / William M. Rainach (Dixiecrat)
Basically, Garner turns down FDR's offer in a fit of pique. Frank instead goes with Progressive Utah Governor George Dern, who proves to be able in his ability at town halls across the nation. The ticket sweeps the country, but tragedy strikes with the assasination of the President-Elect by Giuseppe Zangara (OVERDONE POD KLAXON). Dern arises to the Oval Office and enacts some New Deal-esque programs, namely the creation of Social Security (later turned into a 'citizen's dividend' by Wallace). He too dies only a year into his term, thrusting Cactus Jack into the Presidency. While he makes moves towards public works and infrastructure programs, he instead focuses on balancing the budget on the advice of those surrounding him. Come 1936, GDP growth is sluggish and unemployment has budged by a slight margin. Riots and strikes are common. Republican nominee Fred Steiwer comes into power promising the American People an 'American Deal', with the help of Long's so-called 'Dream Ticket'. Steiwer undertakes swinging cuts to the threadbare services and stays true to the old free market mantras, and he wastes the little political capitol he has in trying to pass an amendment abolishing the present electoral system and establishing 'national primary' for the 1940 election. No such bill is passed, and the public becomes very tired indeed in spite of Steiwer's 'little chats by the bedside', adopted in order to make the president seem in touch with his populace. One bright spot comes in the form of military spending, which is upped in the face of threats from Japan.
1940 would typically be a regular election year, but the nomination of the firebrand Long and the third party campaign of Chuck Lindbergh (bankrolled by Henry Ford) threw things into confusion as Tammany Hall tepidly supported Steiwer. The electoral vote results in Long just about ahead of Steiwer, but a faithless elector from New York casting his vote in favour of the late Roosevelt throws things into whack. Congressional Democrats can't stand long, but aren't willing to give Steiwer another four years. Indecision results in Barkley becoming acting president in a bit of awkwardness that leads to Long fuming. Barkley resumed social spending and tax reform, but progress on civil rights is minimal. Abroad, war is kickstarted in 1939 and the Nazis rage through France and besiege Britain with the help of Sweden, while the Japanese expand their 'co-prosperity sphere'. Barkley doesn't want the U.S. to simply stand witness to such events, and initiates a Lend Lease program to the Brits. The midterms produce a narrow Republican majority in the house, and Steiwer is quickly confirmed as President for the rest of his term. In the short two years he has, America enters a state of war with Japan, finally resulting in economic revitalization as industry is now of use again. Steiwer is still unwilling to send forces to Europe on the other hand.
1944 is a headache for Steiwer as his stalwart Agriculture Secretary wins in a landslide in spite of his more fruity views being leaked to the press. Wallace would win the war with Japan after a long and bloody invasion of the Home Islands and razing of Tokyo, while implementing a nigh on social democratic manifesto at home. The U.S. and Germany finally enter war in 1947, with Hitler resting at his deathbed and Heydrich running the show. World War Two would rage for years as Britain and America slowly clawed back territory from the Nazis. Economic progress would also arrive, as would the crackdown on lynching. 1950's 'Baker v. Board of Education' would follow up on the prior desegregation of the military with a complete outlawing of segregated facilities. Massive riots ensue in spite of the continuing war effort. Wallace leaves office with a negative approval rating, though his efforts would go on to be appreciated by historians. The eight years of Collins would see the end of WW2 as Nazi leaders were tried and hanged, as well as the harsh enforcement of civil rights laws. 1960 would prove to be a testy year, as the Democrats finally embraced an anti-segregation platform after seventeen years in the wilderness, nominating the firebrand congresswoman from New York who was thought a goner after having been revealed to be a former communist. Nevertheless, 'The Hump' just couldn't pull through, and America was about to enter a bright new age as theories of 'Atomic Power' began to surface.
NO COUNTRY TOO STRONG
1929-1933: Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1928 def. Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1933-1934: George H. Dern / vacant (Democratic)
1932 def. Herbert C. Hoover / Charles Curtis (Republican)
1934-1937: John N. Garner / vacant (Democratic)
1937-1938: Frederick Steiwer / Robert Moses (Republican)
1936 def. John N. Garner / Albert Ritchie (Democratic), Huey P. Long / William E. Borah (Union), Norman Thomas / James Maurer (Socialist)
1938-1939: Frederick Steiwer / vacant (Republican)
1939-1941: Frederick Steiwer / Henry L. Stimson (Republican)
1941-1943: vacant / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic)
1940 def. Huey P. Long / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic), Frederick Steiwer / Frank Knox (Republican), Charles Lindbergh / Virgil Effinger (American Independent)
1943-1945: Frederick Steiwer / Alben W. Barkley (Democratic / Republican)
1945-1953: Henry A. Wallace / Henry C. Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1944 def. Alben W. Barkley / Hugo L. Black (Democratic), Huey P. Long / Prentiss Brown (Independence), Dan Moody / Martin Dies (Texas Regulars)
1948 def. James V. Forrestal / Lloyd C. Stark (Democratic)
1953-1961: J. Lawton Collins / Hubert H. Humphrey (Republican)
1952 def. Jimmy Roosevelt / A. B. Chandler (Democratic)
1956 def. Marion Zioncheck / John McSweeney (Democratic), Edsel Ford / C. R. Smith (Independent)
1961-1965: Lucille D. Ball / Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. (Democratic)
1960 def. Hubert H. Humphrey / John W. Bricker (Republican), George Smathers / William M. Rainach (Dixiecrat)
Basically, Garner turns down FDR's offer in a fit of pique. Frank instead goes with Progressive Utah Governor George Dern, who proves to be able in his ability at town halls across the nation. The ticket sweeps the country, but tragedy strikes with the assasination of the President-Elect by Giuseppe Zangara (OVERDONE POD KLAXON). Dern arises to the Oval Office and enacts some New Deal-esque programs, namely the creation of Social Security (later turned into a 'citizen's dividend' by Wallace). He too dies only a year into his term, thrusting Cactus Jack into the Presidency. While he makes moves towards public works and infrastructure programs, he instead focuses on balancing the budget on the advice of those surrounding him. Come 1936, GDP growth is sluggish and unemployment has budged by a slight margin. Riots and strikes are common. Republican nominee Fred Steiwer comes into power promising the American People an 'American Deal', with the help of Long's so-called 'Dream Ticket'. Steiwer undertakes swinging cuts to the threadbare services and stays true to the old free market mantras, and he wastes the little political capitol he has in trying to pass an amendment abolishing the present electoral system and establishing 'national primary' for the 1940 election. No such bill is passed, and the public becomes very tired indeed in spite of Steiwer's 'little chats by the bedside', adopted in order to make the president seem in touch with his populace. One bright spot comes in the form of military spending, which is upped in the face of threats from Japan.
1940 would typically be a regular election year, but the nomination of the firebrand Long and the third party campaign of Chuck Lindbergh (bankrolled by Henry Ford) threw things into confusion as Tammany Hall tepidly supported Steiwer. The electoral vote results in Long just about ahead of Steiwer, but a faithless elector from New York casting his vote in favour of the late Roosevelt throws things into whack. Congressional Democrats can't stand long, but aren't willing to give Steiwer another four years. Indecision results in Barkley becoming acting president in a bit of awkwardness that leads to Long fuming. Barkley resumed social spending and tax reform, but progress on civil rights is minimal. Abroad, war is kickstarted in 1939 and the Nazis rage through France and besiege Britain with the help of Sweden, while the Japanese expand their 'co-prosperity sphere'. Barkley doesn't want the U.S. to simply stand witness to such events, and initiates a Lend Lease program to the Brits. The midterms produce a narrow Republican majority in the house, and Steiwer is quickly confirmed as President for the rest of his term. In the short two years he has, America enters a state of war with Japan, finally resulting in economic revitalization as industry is now of use again. Steiwer is still unwilling to send forces to Europe on the other hand.
1944 is a headache for Steiwer as his stalwart Agriculture Secretary wins in a landslide in spite of his more fruity views being leaked to the press. Wallace would win the war with Japan after a long and bloody invasion of the Home Islands and razing of Tokyo, while implementing a nigh on social democratic manifesto at home. The U.S. and Germany finally enter war in 1947, with Hitler resting at his deathbed and Heydrich running the show. World War Two would rage for years as Britain and America slowly clawed back territory from the Nazis. Economic progress would also arrive, as would the crackdown on lynching. 1950's 'Baker v. Board of Education' would follow up on the prior desegregation of the military with a complete outlawing of segregated facilities. Massive riots ensue in spite of the continuing war effort. Wallace leaves office with a negative approval rating, though his efforts would go on to be appreciated by historians. The eight years of Collins would see the end of WW2 as Nazi leaders were tried and hanged, as well as the harsh enforcement of civil rights laws. 1960 would prove to be a testy year, as the Democrats finally embraced an anti-segregation platform after seventeen years in the wilderness, nominating the firebrand congresswoman from New York who was thought a goner after having been revealed to be a former communist. Nevertheless, 'The Hump' just couldn't pull through, and America was about to enter a bright new age as theories of 'Atomic Power' began to surface.
Cevolian - GOTTERDAMMERUNG
GOTTERDAMMERUNG
1981-1983: Ronald Reagan/George H. Bush (Republican)1983-1985: Tip O'Neill/none (Democratic)
1985-1989: Alexander Haig/Jeanne Kirkpatrick (National Union -- "War" Republicans--"War" Democrats)
1984 Def: Tip O'Neill/Walter Mondale (Democrats for Peace)
1989-1993: Jerry Brown/Ralph Nader ("Peace" Coupon --- Independents-"Peace" Democrats-"Peace" Republicans)
1988 Def: Alexander Haig/Jeanne Kirkpatrick (National Union), Various "Revanchist" Tickets
1993-1997: Jerry Brown/Ralph Nader (Independent-Peace)
1992 Def: Clint Eastwood/Dan Quayle (Independent)
1997-2005: Ralph Nader/Bernie Sanders (Peace)
1996 Def: Colin Powell/John McCain (Moderate), Ross Perot/Donald Trump (National), Ron Paul/Garry Johnson (Independent), Pat Buchannan/Alan Keyes (Independent)
2001 Def: JohnMcCain/Jeb Bush (Moderate), Pat Buchanan/Donald Trump (America First), Ron Paul/Garry Johnson (Liberty), Various "Christian" Tickets
2005-2009: Bernie Sanders/William Clinton (Peace-Moderate)
2004 Def: /Rand Paul (Peace), Jeb Bush/William Clinton (Moderate), Rick Perry/Betsy Devos (League for a Christian Restoration of America), Garry Johnson/Paul Ryan (Liberty), Various "America First" Tickets
2009-2013: Jeb Bush/Al Gore (Moderate)
2008 Def: Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee (Christian Nation), Bernie Sanders/William Clinton (Peace-Independent), Paul Ryan/Scattered (Freedom)
2013-20---: Mike Pence/Mike Huckabee (Christian Nation)
2012 Def: Jeb Bush/Al Gore (Moderate), Cornel West/Zephyr Teachout (Socialist), William Clinton/Dennis Kuinich (New Democratic)
2016 Def: Martin O'Malley/Lincoln Chafee (Moderate), Bernie Sanders/none [Jill Stein was arrested after nomination] (Socialist)
2020 Def: Jim Webb/Lincoln Chafee (National Opposition), Tulsi Gabbard/Scattered (National Renewal)
(This isn't new, it's just a refinement of an old list, but honestly I don't care because I think this version is better).
In 1983 Able Archer leads to total conventional warfare in Eastern and Central Europe, but only limited Nuclear War with only Chicago and Washington DC hit in the US (other missiles being intercepted) and a handful of Russian cities. The war grinds to a halt as the Soviet reach Paris after a Blitz attack and Margaret Thatcher's National Government makes the decision to raze the Norman Coast with firebombing and a tactical nuclear blast at the "Battle of Calais". The war ends with both sides battered and China totally destroyed as a Civil War breaks out between Soviet backed hardline Marxists, Maoists, and reformers. The Civil War goes nuclear, and China ends up as a huge version of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge under the Maoists, whilst Taiwan occupies much of the southern Coast, Japan and South Korea have a joint mandate over North Korea, and the Soviets encroach on Manchuria. Much if the country is ruled by warlords.
Under the Independent administration of Jerry Brown, the US ends the war that Haig had perpetuated and reaches a White Peace with the collpaosinf Soviet Union and retreats into isolation. The nation grows more internally divided and bitter as the Northeast recovers rapidly with high government spending, whilst the South and West suffer with higher casualty rates and less federal recovery aid. The collapse of the old two party system allows all sorts of crazies to pop up, whilst the centre ground of American politics coalesces into the "Moderate" Party after years of unopposed "Peace" rule. A hung college in 2004 brings the Moderates into government, but William Clinton is quickly exiled from the party, whilst Sanders' disastrous policy of "Neo-Detentism" with the "National" government in Brazil leads to the Peace party being thrown out and Sanders/Clinton relegated into third place as a generation of articulate Conservative Christians emerge, promising an anti-establishment reversal of positions and a return to a "Strong" America, far from the isolationism preached by the Liberty party - once the only game on the right.
When it is revealed that George H. Bush and Ronald Reagan had deliberately provoked the Soviets, purusuing a policy they hoped would lead to a costly arms race, just in time for the 2012 election, Jeb Bush (who had already secured the nomination) loses any chance of winning. The Peace Party implodes as those on the left walk out over Clinton getting the nomination amongst allegations of voter fraud. The emminence grise of the Moderate Party Hillary Rodham destroys Clinton with allegations that he had harassed her as a young woman in the 1970s (which proved to be false when she admitted in her sensational autobiography twenty year skater that they hadn't in fact dated prior to the Exchange) and any chance of his "New Democratic" Party winnning dissipates as they bleed votes to the Socialists. The authoritarian Christian Nation party wins in a landslide as turnout slips below 40%.
Under Pence the nation slides into authoritarianism, with the 22nd Amendment repealed mid way through his second term, political opponents (including Vice Presidential nominee Jill Stein during the 2016 election and then former President and candidate Bernie Sanders in 2018). In 2019 the Moderate and Socialist parties are outlawed as "Pro-War" and "Pro-European" (referring to Macron's League of European Radicals and Socialists, a supranational entity quickly replacing the dying USSR as the first amongst equals in the Communist world). The new "National Opposition" party is little more than a front and a token opposition, and Gabbard's party of "Neo-Brownites" are on the extreme anti-capitalist nationalist fringe.
It is twilight in America.
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Eh, wanted a dixiecrat to go up against Ball that didn't go by the name of Thurmond.
Edsel Ford is a nice touch to a nice list, ngl.
Thanks. Imagine his run as a half-hearted vanity bid after Collins turned him down for Treasury Secretary or something.
AidanM - FDR Lives and a Democratic Reagan
FDR Lives and a Democratic Regan
1945-1949: Franklin D. Roosevelt/Harry S. Truman
def. 1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker
1949-1957: Ronald Reagan/Dwight D. Eisenhowerdef. 1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker
def. 1948: Thomas E. Dewey/Earl Warren
def. 1952: Robert A. Taft/Douglass MacArthur
1957-1965: Earl Warren/Harold Stassen
def. 1956: Adlai Stevenson/John Sparkman
def. 1960: Stuart Symington/George Smathers
1965-1973: John F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey
def. 1964: Harold Stassen/Richard Nixon
def. 1968: Barry Goldwater/Walter Judd
1973-1975: Hubert Humphrey/Robert F. Kennedy
def. 1972: Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller
1975: Robert F. Kennedy/Vacant
1975-1985: Robert F. Kennedy/Jimmy Carter
def. 1976: Phil Crane/Gerald Ford
def. 1980: John B. Anderson/Howard Baker
1985-1993: Bob Dole/George H. W. Bush
def. 1984: Jimmy Carter/Geraldine Ferraro
def. 1988: Joe Biden/Gary Hart
1993-2001: George H. W. Bush/Jack Kemp
def. 1992: Michael Dukakis/Walter Mondale
def. 1996: Paul Tsongas/Tom Harkin
2001-2009: Jerry Brown/Bill Clinton
def. 2000: John McCain/Elizabeth Dole
def. 2004: Dick Cheney/John Kasich
2009-2013: Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee
def. 2008: John Edwards/Howard Dean
2013-2021: Al Gore/Hillary Clinton
def. 2012: Mitt Romney/Mike Huckabee
def. 2016: John Kasich/Marco Rubio
T W E N T Y F O U R G L O R I O U S Y E A R S . . . T H E N A N O T H E R T W E N T Y
You'll have to be more specific. A lot of us Texans have punchable faces.
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