List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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GOTTERDAMMERUNG
1981-1983: Ronald Reagan/George H. Bush (Republican)
1983-1985: Tip O'Neill/none (Democratic)
1985-1989: Alexander Haig/Jeanne Kirkpatrick (National Union -- "War" Republicans--"War" Democrats)
1989-1993: Jerry Brown/Ralph Nader ("Peace" Coupon --- Independents-"Peace" Democrats-"Peace" Republicans)

1988 Def: Alexander Haig/Jeanne Kirkpatrick (National Union), Various "Revanchist" Tickets
1993-1997: Jerry Brown/Ralph Nader (Independent-Peace)
1992 Def: Clint Eastwood/Dan Quayle (Independent)
1997-2005: Ralph Nader/Bernie Sanders (Peace)
1996 Def: Colin Powell/John McCain (Moderate), Ross Perot/Donald Trump (National), Ron Paul/Garry Johnson (Independent), Pat Buchannan/Alan Keyes (Independent)
2001 Def: JohnMcCain/Jeb Bush (Moderate), Pat Buchanan/Donald Trump (America First), Ron Paul/Garry Johnson (Liberty), Various "Christian" Tickets

2005-2009: Bernie Sanders/William Clinton (Peace-Moderate)
2004 Def: /Rand Paul (Peace), Jeb Bush/William Clinton (Moderate), Rick Perry/Betsy Devos (League for a Christian Restoration of America), Garry Johnson/Paul Ryan (Liberty), Various "America First" Tickets
2009-2013: Jeb Bush/Al Gore (Moderate)
2008 Def: Rick Santorum/Mike Huckabee (Christian Nation), Bernie Sanders/William Clinton (Peace-Independent), Paul Ryan/Scattered (Freedom)
2013-20---: Mike Pence/Mike Huckabee (Christian Nation)
2012 Def: Jeb Bush/Al Gore (Moderate), Cornel West/Zephyr Teachout (Socialist), William Clinton/Dennis Kuinich (New Democratic)
2016 Def: Martin O'Malley/Lincoln Chafee (Moderate), Bernie Sanders/none [Jill Stein was arrested after nomination] (Socialist)
2020 Def: Jim Webb/Lincoln Chafee (National Opposition), Tulsi Gabbard/Scattered (National Renewal)




(This isn't new, it's just a refinement of an old list, but honestly I don't care because I think this version is better).

In 1983 Able Archer leads to total conventional warfare in Eastern and Central Europe, but only limited Nuclear War with only Chicago and Washington DC hit in the US (other missiles being intercepted) and a handful of Russian cities. The war grinds to a halt as the Soviet reach Paris after a Blitz attack and Margaret Thatcher's National Government makes the decision to raze the Norman Coast with firebombing and a tactical nuclear blast at the "Battle of Calais". The war ends with both sides battered and China totally destroyed as a Civil War breaks out between Soviet backed hardline Marxists, Maoists, and reformers. The Civil War goes nuclear, and China ends up as a huge version of Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge under the Maoists, whilst Taiwan occupies much of the southern Coast, Japan and South Korea have a joint mandate over North Korea, and the Soviets encroach on Manchuria. Much if the country is ruled by warlords.

Under the Independent administration of Jerry Brown, the US ends the war that Haig had perpetuated and reaches a White Peace with the collpaosinf Soviet Union and retreats into isolation. The nation grows more internally divided and bitter as the Northeast recovers rapidly with high government spending, whilst the South and West suffer with higher casualty rates and less federal recovery aid. The abolition of the Electoral College in 1996 allows all sorts of crazies to pop up, whilst the centre ground of American politics coalesces into the "Moderate" Party after years of unopposed "Peace" rule. A hung college in 2004 brings the Moderates into government, but William Clinton is quickly exiled from the party, whilst Sanders' disastrous policy of "Neo-Detentism" with the "National" government in Brazil leads to the Peace party being thrown out and Sanders/Clinton relegated into third place as a generation of articulate Conservative Christians emerge, promising an anti-establishment reversal of positions and a return to a "Strong" America, far from the isolationism preached by the Liberty party - once the only game on the right.

When it is revealed that George H. Bush and Ronald Reagan had deliberately provoked the Soviets, purusuing a policy they hoped would lead to a costly arms race, just in time for the 2012 election, Jeb Bush (who had already secured the nomination) loses any chance of winning. The Peace Party implodes as those on the left walk out over Clinton getting the nomination amongst allegations of voter fraud. The emminence grise of the Moderate Party Hillary Rodham destroys Clinton with allegations that he had harassed her as a young woman in the 1970s (which proved to be false when she admitted in her sensational autobiography twenty year skater that they hadn't in fact dated prior to the Exchange) and any chance of his "New Democratic" Party winnning dissipates as they bleed votes to the Socialists. The authoritarian Christian Nation party wins in a landslide as turnout slips below 40%.

Under Pence the nation slides into authoritarianism, with the 22nd Amendment repealed mid way through his second term, political opponents (including Vice Presidential nominee Jill Stein during the 2016 election and then former President and candidate Bernie Sanders in 2018). In 2019 the Moderate and Socialist parties are outlawed as "Pro-War" and "Pro-European" (referring to Macron's League of European Radicals and Socialists, a supranational entity quickly replacing the dying USSR as the first amongst equals in the Communist world). The new "National Opposition" party is little more than a front and a token opposition, and Gabbard's party of "Neo-Brownites" are on the extreme anti-capitalist nationalist fringe.

It is twilight in America.

Nice. Scandiavian-cop-show-level grim, but very interesting execution.
 
Nice. Scandiavian-cop-show-level grim, but very interesting execution.
Thanks :) grim was the intention so that's good! I wanted to make a grim post-apocalyptic dystopia without the US being occupied or a nuclear wasteland...
 
She was a communist (or at least affiliated with them) at some point in the 30's. Here, eh, I'm imagining the more conservative government pushes her towards politics and keeps her there.

To highlight the same bit as @theev, she's a Red President in every sense, and based on personality alone definitely America's Iron Lady.
 
dw93 - A Big Fucking Deal
A Big Fucking Deal: The Presidency of Joe Biden and Beyond.

P.O.D: The Reagan Administration is brought down by Iran Contra and the Stock Market Crash of 1987 causes a recession in 1988. Joe Biden also isn't taken down by Plagiarism, nor does he have a brain aneurysm.

40. Ronald Reagan | George H.W. Bush (Republican): 1981-1989

41.
Joe Biden | Al Gore (Democratic): 1989-1997

Def. 1988: George H.W. Bush | Dan Quayle (Republican)
Def. 1992: Bob Dole | Lamar Alexander (Republican)

42. Al Gore | Evan Bayh (Democratic): 1997-2001

Def. 1996: Jack Kemp | Pete Wilson (Republican)

43. John McCain | Fred Thompson (Republican): 2001-2009

Def. 2000: Al Gore | Evan Bayh (Democratic)
Def. 2004: Evan Bayh | John Kerry (Democratic)

44. Fred Thompson | Tim Pawlenty (Republican): 2009-2013

Def. 2008: Joe Lieberman | Mary Landrieu (Democratic) / Howard Dean | Ralph Nader (Green Progressive Aliance)

45. John F. Kennedy Jr. | Russ Feingold (Democratic): 2013-2021

Def. 2012: Fred Thompson | Tim Pawlenty (Republican) / Donald Trump | Mike Huckabee (Independents for America)
Def. 2016: Tim Pawlenty | Mitt Romney (Republican) / Rand Paul | Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
 
loneranger - Glory Lies In Youth
Glory Lies In Youth

1940-1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Henry Wallace
1944-1952: Lyndon B. Johnson
1952-1960: Ronald Reagan
1960-1968: Robert F. Kennedy
1968-1976: George HW Bush
1976-1980: John McCain
1980-1988: Ann Richards
1988-2016: BUTTERFLIES

Pretty much everyone you can imagine gets a much earlier start, with Lyndon specifically getting a much earlier senatorship and becoming FDR's man in Texas to balance against VP Garner. FDR doesn't run in 1944 but as OTL Wallace is super controversial. LBJ rises as a dark horse candidate and his youthful vigor combined with his devotion to New Deal policies makes him a wonderful candidate for the nation.

He's followed up by Ronald Reagan who stayed in Illinois and his poverty despite the New Deal turned him into a Republican. He plays well against the elderly Dem candidate in '52 (Stevenson?) and also defeats JFK in some of the first televised debates in '56 although some say this was based more on looks than content.

With JFK a failure at the presidential level RFK picks up the torch and wins in '60, keeping some of Reagan's anti-union measures and anti-Soviet foreign policy but also making gigantic strides in Civil Rights.

HW is a young billionaire who was originally a dark horse candidate, known for his famous speech during the '64 Republican convention. He led the nation in the post Cold War consensus following the Soviet Union's collapse in '69 under Andropov, significantly with a "New Marshall Plan" extending to newly freed Eastern Europe to bring them in line with the Western Consensus.

McCain, a veteran both in the military and legislature, was a young firebrand who seemed like the perfect candidate to continue Bush's policies. Unfortunately McCain quickly became embroiled in Middle East conflicts at a time when the economy was already doing poorly and the public was not very receptive to the idea of troops on the ground, and they were very dubious about the supposed threat of militant Islamists.

McCain ended up doing poorly against Ann Richards, who handled him very well in the debates and her forceful yet folksy demeanor led many to compare her to Lyndon Johnson who was well remembered by the America people.

After that she was replaced by someone born after the POD and any other names that would be added would be functionally meaningless.
 
Mumby - A TLIAW list of PMs
Here's a Prime Ministers list for my TLIAW which I actually did in a week if you don't count the postscript.

1900-1903: Henry Campbell-Bannerman (Liberal)
1900 (Minority with IPP and Labour supply and confidence) def. Robert Gascoyne-Cecil, 4th Marquess of Salisbury (Unionist Pact --- Conservative / Liberal Unionist), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary Party), Keir Hardie (Labour)
1903-1904: H.H. Asquith (Liberal minority)
1904-1909: Arthur Balfour (Conservative)

1905 (Unionist Pact with Liberal Unionists) def. David Lloyd George (Liberal), John Redmond (Irish Parliamentary Party), Keir Hardie (Labour)
1909-1910: Arthur Balfour (Conservative leading War Government)
1910-1914: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative leading War Government with Liberals, Labour and IPP)
1914-1915: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)

1914 (Minority) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Victory Coupon --- Coupon Conservatives / Coupon Liberals / IPP), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (Independent Conservative), H.H. Asquith (Independent Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democrat)
1915-1919: Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative)
1916 (Coalition with Liberals) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal), John Hancock (Liberal and National Democrat)
1919-1922: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative minority)
1922-1925: Winston Churchill (Conservative)

1922 (Majority) def. J.R. Clynes (Labour), David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1925-1927: Stanley Baldwin (Conservative minority)
1927-1928: Stanley Baldwin (National Conservative)

1927 (National Government with Labour and Liberals) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Austen Chamberlain (Conservative), David Lloyd George (Liberal), Tudor Rees (Independent Liberal)
1928-1935: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1931 (National Government with National Liberals and National Conservatives) def. Austen Chamberlain (United Front --- Conservative / Liberal / Independent Liberal), John Hancock (National Liberal), Stanley Baldwin (National Conservative)
1935-1938: David Lloyd George (Centre)
1935 (Coalition with ISL) def. Ernest Bevin (National Coupon --- Labour / National Liberal / National Conservative), Arnold Leese (Imperial Synarchic League), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1938-1939: Neville Chamberlain (Centre minority)
1939-1943: Neville Chamberlain (Centre leading War Government with Labour, National Liberals, and National Conservatives)
1943-1948: Anthony Eden (Centre)

1943 (Majority) def. Herbert Morrison (Labour), Richard Acland (National Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1948-1953: Malcolm MacDonald (Labour)
1948 (Peoples' Pact with National Liberals) def. Anthony Eden (Centre), Richard Acland (National Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Communist)
1953-1961: Rab Butler (Centre)
1953 (Majority) def. Malcolm MacDonald (Labour), Harry Pollitt (Communist), Donald Johnson ('Continuity' National Liberal)
1957 (Majority) def. Douglas Jay (Labour), Andrew Healey (Communist), Donald Johnson (Radical-Liberal)

1961-1966: Benjamin Thorneycroft (Centre)
1961 (Majority) def. Douglas Jay (Labour), Andrew Healey (Communist), Donald Johnson (Radical-Liberal)
1966-1969: George Maudling (Labour)
1966 (Majority) def. Benjamin Thorneycroft (Centre), Andrew Healey (Communist), Arthur Margolis (Radical-Liberal)
1969-1971: Leonard Callaghan (Labour majority)

Here's a link to the TLIAW
 
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shiftygiant - The Other Men of Downing Street

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
The Other Men of Downing Street
1964-1967: James Callaghan (Labour) [Served under Harold Wilson, presided over devaluation]
1964, 1966
1967-1971: Anthony Crosland (Labour) [Served under Harold Wilson, delivered a tight fiscal policy and decimalisation]
1971-1975: Maurice Macmillan (Conservative) [Served under Edward Heath, reform in banking and the introduction of VAT, struggled with stagflation, entry into the EEC]
1971
1975-1978: Dick Taverne (Labour) [Served under Anthony Crosland, exit of the EEC, oversaw economic strife and Labour's failure to respond]
1975 (Liberal Supply and Confidence)
1978-1978: Francis Pym (Conservative) [Served under Jim Prior, reshuffled to the Foreign Office following the resignation of Ian Gilmour]
1978
1978-19??: Patrick Jenkin (Conservative) [Serving under Jim Prior, negotiating British entry into the EFTA]
 
spookyscaryskeletons - Kinnock-Topia
In which a Welsh Windbag is no longer condemned to mediocrity.

KINNOCK-
TOPIA
1970-1976: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1970: (Majority) def. Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974: (Coalition with Liberals and support from the SNP) def. Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)

1976-1976: Edward du Cann (Conservative)
1976-1980: Roy Jenkins (Labour)
1976: (Majority) def. Edward du Cann (Conservative), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1980-1983: Geoffrey Howe (Conservative)
1980: (Majority) def. Roy Jenkins (Labour), John Pardoe (Liberal)
1983-1985: Airey Neave (Conservative)
1985-1986: Colin Phipps (Labour)
1985: (Coalition with Liberals) def. Airey Neave (Conservative), Michael Steed (Liberal)
1986-1996: Neil Kinnock (Labour)
1987: (Majority) def. John Davies (Conservative), Michael Steed (Liberal)
1991: (Majority) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), Michael Meadowcroft (Liberal), Anthony Steen (Pro-Ducat Conservative)
1995: (Majority) def. Anthony Blair (Conservative), Michael Meadowcroft (Liberal), Anthony Steen (European Conservative)

1996-2000: Roy Hattersley (Labour)

Heath calls the election very slightly earlier, and in the ensuing election, he comes out on top of the pile with 305 seats. A Liberal breakthrough hampers Labour, and leaves them far short of a majority. Heath hammers out a deal with Thorpe on the condition that a referendum on electoral reform is held in 1975. In order to shore up support for the government, Heath also cuts a deal with the SNP, making good on his promise to hold a (successful) devolution referendum around the same time. Wilson resigns bitterly and while Heath finally reaches a deal with the miners, his government never loses the lingering image. He is bolstered by a victory in the EEC referendum, but also finds a target on his back, courtesy of the right. A cabal, headed by Joseph and Thatcher, help to oust him after STV fails and the first Scottish Assembly elections produce a healthy majority for Labour. Heath is knifed and replaced with Du Cann, who bottles an early election, giving a healthy majority to Jenkins' Labour. Woy has a half-decent term that eventually gets disrupted by union action, resulting in resignations when he tries bringing in restrictions on the 'Closed Shop'. Strike ballots are introduced by the Trade Secretary David Owen. Jenkins also takes steps to strengthen protections of minority groups, and also relaxes laws on immigration to appease EEC leaders who are making moves towards a common travel zone.

Howe comes into power circa 1980 with the economy still in the gutter, promising to bring back jobs and revitalize industrial communities. This fails to occur, as Maggie takes up the helm at the exchequer and brings about political teeth chattering with denationalizations. Howe is shot by a Provo on a 'National Security' visit to the Maze after announcing the end of Special Category Status. The nation is thrown into a whole bunch of shite, and Neave imposes a bunch of bad security laws as the economy's stagnation shows no signs of stopping. Neave's attempts at creating a Government of All Talents fail repeatedly, and he goes into the 1985 election looking foolish if grimjawed. However, Labour is not seen as a party of government in spite of their trustworthy leader, and instead, it is the Liberals who make a massive recovery nearly a decade after the Thorpe debacle. Phipps calls another referendum on Lords Reform to appease his partners. It fails, and his well respected chancellor Kinnock takes the stage. Kinnock quickly initiates a massive stimulus program combined with the expansion of rail networks in the north. He calls an election for 1987 and to the shock of many, pollsters who counted on a victory for the elderly John Davies especially, he wins a majority. Over the next four years, essential economic reforms are undertaken, while Lords Reform is finally passed in order to avenge the retired Phipps. EU Federalization happens as a rapid speed with the reluctant backing of Britain, and by 1990, the introduction of the 'Ducat' becomes a contentious issue that leads to a split between the Europhiles and Eurosceptics within the Tory party. The fall of the USSR leads into the establishment of a Russian Republic backed up by funds from the 'Baker Plan', introduced by President Hart. A successful war with the rogue North Korean state in 1993 brings Kinnock the adoration of the foreign press and unnerves the left.

Kinnock's economic policies pay off as growth continues and unemployment dips and dips. He wins a third victory in 1995 (running a campaign notably nicknamed 'Bash the Flash' as a joke about his opponent's lack of substance) as his age creeps up. Hattersley, the elder statesman, is given the top job as the Tories prepare to re-enter government in spite of a split on their left.
 
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1966-1969: George Maudling (Labour)
1966 (Majority) def. Benjamin Thorneycroft (Centre), Andrew Healey (Communist), Arthur Seldon (Radical-Liberal)
1969-1971: Leonard Callaghan (Labour majority)

Here's a link to the TLIAW

Maudling as Labour is very clever (he nearly became a National Labour member OTL IIRC.) Also love Sunny alt-Jim in there. :D
 
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