Maudling as Labour is very clever (he nearly became a National Labour member OTL IIRC.) Also love Sunny alt-Jim in there.
Indeed. My idea was that he joined the National Conservatives and subsequently Labour when that party wound up.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Indeed. My idea was that he joined the National Conservatives and subsequently Labour when that party wound up.
big-sick - Charles Curtis '33
A few things behind this one: I wanted to experiment with one of the labor party PODs I posted a while back, and to do something different from the right-wing dystopias so common in this thread. Possibly not the most realistic scenario - I'm sure globalization would shake it up a little in later years, although having a strong left labor movement in America would probably lessen its severity compared to OTL. If bits of it seem familiar it's because I posted some boxes from a previous version over in the wikibox thread.
1929-1932: Calvin Coolidge (Republican-MA) / Charles Curtis (Republican-KS)
def. 1928 Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1932-1933: Charles Curtis (Republican-KS) / vacant
1933-1937: Al Smith (Democratic-NY) / Cordell Hull (Democratic-TN)
def. 1932 Charles Curtis / none (Republican)
1937-1945: Herbert Hoover (Republican-CA) / Raymond E. Baldwin (Republican-CT)
def. 1936 Al Smith / Cordell Hull (Democratic), Huey Long / John R. Brinkley (Share Our Wealth), Norman Thomas / George A. Nelson (Socialist)
def. 1940 Paul V. McNutt / William H. Murray (Democratic), Philip La Follette / Victor Reuther (FLP), Walt Disney / Ernest Lundeen (America First)
1945-1951: Thomas A. Dewey (Republican-NY) / John W. Bricker (Republican-OH)
def. 1944 Alben W. Barkley / Scott W. Lucas (Democratic), John D. Dingell / J. Henry Stump (FLP)
def. 1948 Walter Reuther / Lewis B. Schwellenbach (FLP), Prentice Cooper / W. Averell Harriman (Democratic)
1951-1953: John W. Bricker (Republican-OH) / vacant
1953-1961: Paul Douglas (FLP-IL) / George A. Nelson (FLP-WI)
def. 1952 Harold Stassen / William F. Knowland (Republican), Brien McMahon / Richard Russell (Democratic), Eugene Siler / Howard Buffett (Constitution)
def. 1956 Earl Warren / Thurston B. Morton (Republican), Douglas MacArthur / Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic)
1961-1965: Philip Willkie (Republican-IN) / George McGovern (Republican-SD)
def. 1960 Claude Pepper / Michael Harrington (FLP), Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. / John C. Stennis (Democratic)
1965-1973: Walter Reuther (FLP-MI) / Virginia Foster Durr (FLP-AL)
def. 1964 George McGovern / Charles A. Halleck (Republican), George Smathers / William O’Dwyer (Democratic)
def. 1968 John A. Volpe / Hubert Humphrey (Republican), Sam Ervin / Sam Yorty (Democratic)
1973-1977: Arnold Miller (FLP-WV) / George W. Crockett, Jr. (FLP-MI)
def. 1972 Hugh Scott / John V. Lindsay (Republican), Strom Thurmond / James Eastland (Democratic)
1977-1983: Tom McCall (Republican-OR) / Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT)
def. 1976 Arnold Miller / George W. Crockett, Jr. (FLP), Strom Thurmond / various (Democratic)
def. 1980 Michael Harrington / LaDonna Harris (FLP), William Proxmire / William Safire (Conservative Republican)
1983: Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT) / vacant
1983-1989: Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT) / James Carter (Republican-GA)
def. 1984 Ron Dellums / John Murtha (FLP)
1989-1997: Barbara Ehrenreich (FLP-MT) / Tony Mazzocchi (FLP-NY)
def. 1988 Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. / James Carter (Republican), Trent Lott / Clarence Thomas (Democratic Conservative)
def. 1992 Bill Blythe / Al Gore (Republican)
1997-2001: Terry Branstad (Republican-IA) / Paul Tsongas (Republican-MA)
def. 1996 John Sweeney / John Conyers (FLP)
2001-2009: Barbara Jordan (FLP-TX) / Rick Nolan (FLP-MN)
def. 2000 Terry Branstad / Paul Tsongas (Republican)
def. 2004 Barack Obama / Ted Olson (Republican)
2013-2017: Terry Branstad (Republican-IA) / Cory Booker (Republican-NJ)
def. 2012 Matt Gonzalez / Bernard Sanders (FLP), Rick Santorum / Paul Broun (Democratic Conservative)
2017-0000: Liz Shuler (FLP-OR) / John Fetterman (FLP-PA)
def. 2017 Richard Hanna / John McCain (Republican), Terry Bolea / Rick Santorum (Democratic Conservative)
Calvin Coolidge, Jr., remains in good health, and his father runs for a second full term in office. His response to the Great Depression is callous and austere. Not even his death several weeks before the election can ameliorate the detached, elitist conservatism with which he imbued the GOP’s image. With unemployment nearing 30%, the Democrats win a historic Congressional landslide, and Al Smith carries all but three states.
In office, he proves to be nowhere near as decisive or radical as he was on the campaign trail. Disdaining the efforts of populists like Huey Long as contrary to Progressive traditions of good government, Smith lends his support to a farm aid bill and some limited public works projects – none of which make much of an impression on the economic situation. In 1936, both Smith and the Republicans are so unpopular that Long runs himself after losing the Democratic nomination, rather than try to split the vote with a dummy candidate. The nascent CIO considers mounting a third-party run but decides against it – they’re fighting jurisdiction battles with the AFL and suppression from state governments across the country, and they’re too busy to waste resources on a quixotic campaign.
Long and Smith predictably split the vote and put Herbert Hoover, the former Commerce Secretary and popular philanthropist, in the Oval Office. (He makes much of the fact that Coolidge famously detested him.) Hoover acts a little bit more decisively than Smith, expanding the public works program and working alongside congressional Democrats to create a national old-age pension scheme. The economic recovery is real – but very sluggish. Hoover’s protectionism doesn’t help. He remains unpopular with labor by helping block a bill to establish collective bargaining rights, and begins to alienate isolationist conservatives by making noise about military aid to Great Britain.
After Huey Long’s assassination, his party begins to drift to the far right. Philip La Follette, who has been considering bringing his Progressive Party national to fill the yawning gap on the political left, approaches the CIO with an offer to unite the third parties of the upper Midwest with the power of industrial unionism. Disgusted by the Democrats’ choice of the anti-labor thug Paul McNutt for the Presidency, John L. Lewis and the rest of the CIO agree. Daniel Hoan, the Milwaukee “sewer socialist” chairing the declining SPA, voices his support for the ticket, and the Socialists and Farmer-Laborites run joint candidates in 1940. The parties will soon merge (apart from a minority of Trotskyites, who do what they do best and split). The new party wins control of Minnesota and Wisconsin, elects a respectable number of Congressional candidates and outpolls the increasingly fascistic Long outfit in the Presidential election. After war breaks out, the strength of the CIO and the Farmer-Labor Party forces President Hoover to create a National Labor Relations Board in return for a no-strike pact in war industries.
The Flanders Hall Affair – the discovery that leading isolationists, especially vice-presidential candidate Ernest Lundeen, were being funded and manipulated by Nazi agents – shakes America’s political landscape in the waning days of the war. The “brown scare” of the postwar years leads to the destruction of many a career, including those of Walt Disney and ex-president Smith. It also sinks the presidential tickets of W. Averell Harriman and Joe Kennedy - the former for his business ties to Nazi Germany, the latter for his father's role in the isolationist movement.
Beloved war leader Hoover hands the Presidency off to his anointed successor, the young Tom Dewey, who easily dispatches challenges from the declining Democratic Party and the rising Farmer-Laborites. The surrender of Japan several months into the invasion of the Home Islands, and the test of the first atomic bomb in Nevada the next year, leave America as the unquestioned world power. However, demobilization, reconversion, fears of a double-dip depression and the disastrous leadership of John Bricker – who ascended to the Presidency after Dewey’s untimely death in an airplane crash – mean that the Republicans’ reign is soon cut short. It is Paul Douglas, left-liberal economist and war hero, and his socialist dairy farmer running mate, who will win the peace.
From there, most of this should speak for itself. Douglas brings social democracy to America, gets to work on civil rights, and puts the atomic bomb under UN control. Willkie moves the Republicans left but then is brought low by corruption scandals. Reuther entrenches the CIO as a cornerstone of American life, presides over a social market and the desegregation of Northern neighborhoods, and squabbles with the Soviet Union. Miller is caught off guard by Tom McCall, who establishes the Republicans as the liberal party of a clean government and a clean environment. He dies in office and is succeeded by Weicker, who carries on that mantle. Farmer-Labor, by now more heavily Labor than Farmer, also adjusts itself towards greater social liberalism and environmentalism under Ehrenreich and Jordan as the CIO now fully represents America’s diverse and integrated workforce. Terry Branstad serves non-consecutive terms.
The Democrats, withered to a Southern core since the 50s, merge with disaffected right-wing Republicans and are eventually revived as a Christian conservative party. The Democratic Conservatives are a suburban, petit-bourgeois force, a threat to the Republicans more than Farmer-Labor – but even led by the charismatic Rev. Bollea, they’re not much more than a spoiler. After all, there hasn’t been a conservative in the White House since 1953.
1929-1932: Calvin Coolidge (Republican-MA) / Charles Curtis (Republican-KS)
def. 1928 Al Smith / Joseph T. Robinson (Democratic)
1932-1933: Charles Curtis (Republican-KS) / vacant
1933-1937: Al Smith (Democratic-NY) / Cordell Hull (Democratic-TN)
def. 1932 Charles Curtis / none (Republican)
1937-1945: Herbert Hoover (Republican-CA) / Raymond E. Baldwin (Republican-CT)
def. 1936 Al Smith / Cordell Hull (Democratic), Huey Long / John R. Brinkley (Share Our Wealth), Norman Thomas / George A. Nelson (Socialist)
def. 1940 Paul V. McNutt / William H. Murray (Democratic), Philip La Follette / Victor Reuther (FLP), Walt Disney / Ernest Lundeen (America First)
1945-1951: Thomas A. Dewey (Republican-NY) / John W. Bricker (Republican-OH)
def. 1944 Alben W. Barkley / Scott W. Lucas (Democratic), John D. Dingell / J. Henry Stump (FLP)
def. 1948 Walter Reuther / Lewis B. Schwellenbach (FLP), Prentice Cooper / W. Averell Harriman (Democratic)
1951-1953: John W. Bricker (Republican-OH) / vacant
1953-1961: Paul Douglas (FLP-IL) / George A. Nelson (FLP-WI)
def. 1952 Harold Stassen / William F. Knowland (Republican), Brien McMahon / Richard Russell (Democratic), Eugene Siler / Howard Buffett (Constitution)
def. 1956 Earl Warren / Thurston B. Morton (Republican), Douglas MacArthur / Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic)
1961-1965: Philip Willkie (Republican-IN) / George McGovern (Republican-SD)
def. 1960 Claude Pepper / Michael Harrington (FLP), Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. / John C. Stennis (Democratic)
1965-1973: Walter Reuther (FLP-MI) / Virginia Foster Durr (FLP-AL)
def. 1964 George McGovern / Charles A. Halleck (Republican), George Smathers / William O’Dwyer (Democratic)
def. 1968 John A. Volpe / Hubert Humphrey (Republican), Sam Ervin / Sam Yorty (Democratic)
1973-1977: Arnold Miller (FLP-WV) / George W. Crockett, Jr. (FLP-MI)
def. 1972 Hugh Scott / John V. Lindsay (Republican), Strom Thurmond / James Eastland (Democratic)
1977-1983: Tom McCall (Republican-OR) / Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT)
def. 1976 Arnold Miller / George W. Crockett, Jr. (FLP), Strom Thurmond / various (Democratic)
def. 1980 Michael Harrington / LaDonna Harris (FLP), William Proxmire / William Safire (Conservative Republican)
1983: Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT) / vacant
1983-1989: Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (Republican-CT) / James Carter (Republican-GA)
def. 1984 Ron Dellums / John Murtha (FLP)
1989-1997: Barbara Ehrenreich (FLP-MT) / Tony Mazzocchi (FLP-NY)
def. 1988 Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. / James Carter (Republican), Trent Lott / Clarence Thomas (Democratic Conservative)
def. 1992 Bill Blythe / Al Gore (Republican)
1997-2001: Terry Branstad (Republican-IA) / Paul Tsongas (Republican-MA)
def. 1996 John Sweeney / John Conyers (FLP)
2001-2009: Barbara Jordan (FLP-TX) / Rick Nolan (FLP-MN)
def. 2000 Terry Branstad / Paul Tsongas (Republican)
def. 2004 Barack Obama / Ted Olson (Republican)
2013-2017: Terry Branstad (Republican-IA) / Cory Booker (Republican-NJ)
def. 2012 Matt Gonzalez / Bernard Sanders (FLP), Rick Santorum / Paul Broun (Democratic Conservative)
2017-0000: Liz Shuler (FLP-OR) / John Fetterman (FLP-PA)
def. 2017 Richard Hanna / John McCain (Republican), Terry Bolea / Rick Santorum (Democratic Conservative)
Calvin Coolidge, Jr., remains in good health, and his father runs for a second full term in office. His response to the Great Depression is callous and austere. Not even his death several weeks before the election can ameliorate the detached, elitist conservatism with which he imbued the GOP’s image. With unemployment nearing 30%, the Democrats win a historic Congressional landslide, and Al Smith carries all but three states.
In office, he proves to be nowhere near as decisive or radical as he was on the campaign trail. Disdaining the efforts of populists like Huey Long as contrary to Progressive traditions of good government, Smith lends his support to a farm aid bill and some limited public works projects – none of which make much of an impression on the economic situation. In 1936, both Smith and the Republicans are so unpopular that Long runs himself after losing the Democratic nomination, rather than try to split the vote with a dummy candidate. The nascent CIO considers mounting a third-party run but decides against it – they’re fighting jurisdiction battles with the AFL and suppression from state governments across the country, and they’re too busy to waste resources on a quixotic campaign.
Long and Smith predictably split the vote and put Herbert Hoover, the former Commerce Secretary and popular philanthropist, in the Oval Office. (He makes much of the fact that Coolidge famously detested him.) Hoover acts a little bit more decisively than Smith, expanding the public works program and working alongside congressional Democrats to create a national old-age pension scheme. The economic recovery is real – but very sluggish. Hoover’s protectionism doesn’t help. He remains unpopular with labor by helping block a bill to establish collective bargaining rights, and begins to alienate isolationist conservatives by making noise about military aid to Great Britain.
After Huey Long’s assassination, his party begins to drift to the far right. Philip La Follette, who has been considering bringing his Progressive Party national to fill the yawning gap on the political left, approaches the CIO with an offer to unite the third parties of the upper Midwest with the power of industrial unionism. Disgusted by the Democrats’ choice of the anti-labor thug Paul McNutt for the Presidency, John L. Lewis and the rest of the CIO agree. Daniel Hoan, the Milwaukee “sewer socialist” chairing the declining SPA, voices his support for the ticket, and the Socialists and Farmer-Laborites run joint candidates in 1940. The parties will soon merge (apart from a minority of Trotskyites, who do what they do best and split). The new party wins control of Minnesota and Wisconsin, elects a respectable number of Congressional candidates and outpolls the increasingly fascistic Long outfit in the Presidential election. After war breaks out, the strength of the CIO and the Farmer-Labor Party forces President Hoover to create a National Labor Relations Board in return for a no-strike pact in war industries.
The Flanders Hall Affair – the discovery that leading isolationists, especially vice-presidential candidate Ernest Lundeen, were being funded and manipulated by Nazi agents – shakes America’s political landscape in the waning days of the war. The “brown scare” of the postwar years leads to the destruction of many a career, including those of Walt Disney and ex-president Smith. It also sinks the presidential tickets of W. Averell Harriman and Joe Kennedy - the former for his business ties to Nazi Germany, the latter for his father's role in the isolationist movement.
Beloved war leader Hoover hands the Presidency off to his anointed successor, the young Tom Dewey, who easily dispatches challenges from the declining Democratic Party and the rising Farmer-Laborites. The surrender of Japan several months into the invasion of the Home Islands, and the test of the first atomic bomb in Nevada the next year, leave America as the unquestioned world power. However, demobilization, reconversion, fears of a double-dip depression and the disastrous leadership of John Bricker – who ascended to the Presidency after Dewey’s untimely death in an airplane crash – mean that the Republicans’ reign is soon cut short. It is Paul Douglas, left-liberal economist and war hero, and his socialist dairy farmer running mate, who will win the peace.
From there, most of this should speak for itself. Douglas brings social democracy to America, gets to work on civil rights, and puts the atomic bomb under UN control. Willkie moves the Republicans left but then is brought low by corruption scandals. Reuther entrenches the CIO as a cornerstone of American life, presides over a social market and the desegregation of Northern neighborhoods, and squabbles with the Soviet Union. Miller is caught off guard by Tom McCall, who establishes the Republicans as the liberal party of a clean government and a clean environment. He dies in office and is succeeded by Weicker, who carries on that mantle. Farmer-Labor, by now more heavily Labor than Farmer, also adjusts itself towards greater social liberalism and environmentalism under Ehrenreich and Jordan as the CIO now fully represents America’s diverse and integrated workforce. Terry Branstad serves non-consecutive terms.
The Democrats, withered to a Southern core since the 50s, merge with disaffected right-wing Republicans and are eventually revived as a Christian conservative party. The Democratic Conservatives are a suburban, petit-bourgeois force, a threat to the Republicans more than Farmer-Labor – but even led by the charismatic Rev. Bollea, they’re not much more than a spoiler. After all, there hasn’t been a conservative in the White House since 1953.
Cevolian - IN UNITY SECURITY: II: PAX AMERICANA
IN UNITY SECURITY:
II: PAX AMERICANA
II: PAX AMERICANA
1921-1929: Frank B. Kellogg (Republican)
1920 def - James M. Cox (Democratic), William Borah (United America First)
1924 def - Charles W. Bryan (Democratic), Franklin Roosevelt ("League" Democrat)
1929-1937: Herbert Hoover (Republican)
1928 def - Al Smith (Democratic)
1932 def - John N. Garner (Democratic)
1937-1945: Wendell Wilkie (Republican)
1936 def - Huey Long ("National" Democrat), Franklin Roosevelt (Democratic)
1945 def - Harry Truman (Democratic), Charles Lindbergh (America First)
1945-1949: Cordell Hull (Democratic-Unionist)
1945 def - Robert Taft (National "America First" Republican), Strom Thurmond (Free Democrats)
1949-1957: Thomas E. Dewey (Republican-Unionist)
1948 def - Harry F. Byrd (Free Democrats), Harold Stasen (National Republican)
1952 def - Fielding Wright (Free Democrats-National Republicans)
1957-19---: Henry A. Wallace (Republican-Unionist)
1956 def - Ronald Reagan (National Conservative)
This is a continuation of my earlier list In Unity Security although, that probably needs retconning due to alterations I've made in my notes about this universe (which is a little world building project of mine). Kellogg becomes President on an internationalist agenda following a much bloodier WW1 and is succeeded by Hoover who, in this world, takes a more interventionist policy towards the depression (which only comes ITTL in 1935) as well as building on his international relief work in WW1 (more prominent ITTL due to the war's longer and bloodier span - lasting 1914-1919) to create an international eocnomic system. Wendell Wilkie is narrowly elected in 1936, continuing Hoover's work in strengthening the League and in investing in economic recovery. The withdrawal of the "Four Power Alliance" from the League in 1937 eventually leads to war against Germany in 1940 after she invades neutral but League aligned Slovakia. Wilkie guides the US through the first five years of the war, and is succeeded by former League General Secretary Cordell Hull, who is seen by "Unionist" politicians as the only international statesman with the gravitas to continue leading the League powers. Hull does not run again, and many progressive and internationalist Democrats either sit simply as "Unionists" reflecting their grouping in the League (and after 1947 UN) assembly or join the Republicans. As the 1950s role on the progressive and internationalist Republicans help guide the US closer and closer into the UN as it is guided by former President Hoover towards a true "World State"...
My goodness it's like those Dem-wank lists... only not and very good.
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I'm still not 100% sure Kellogg winning in 1920 is all that plausible, but with a much worse WW1 who knows... I'd be lying if I didn't say I've wanted to subvert the "New Deal Coalition lasts forever and a Republican never sees office again because they're all fascists" meme that pops up sometimes here for a while...
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I'd be lying if I didn't say I've wanted to subvert the "New Deal Coalition lasts forever and a Republican never sees office again because they're all fascists" meme that pops up sometimes here for a while...
Aside from New Deal Coalition Retained (which is not the same in many respects) and to an even more dubious extent your own No Southern Strategy I honestly can't think of it having ever been done all that well :/
AidanM - Reagan in '76
Reagan in '76
1974-1977: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole*
def. 1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def. 1980: Ted Kennedy/Cliff Finch
1985-1989: Bob Dole/George H. W. Bush
def. 1984: Gary Hart/John Glenn
1989-1997: Al Gore/Jerry Brown
def. 1988: Bob Dole/George H. W. Bush
def. 1992: Jack Kemp/Donald Rumsfeld
1997-2005: John McCain/Phil Gramm
def. 1996: Jerry Brown/Bill Clinton
def. 2000: Joe Biden/John Kerry
2005-2013: Wesley Clark/Kathleen Sebelius
def. 2004: Phill Gramm/Dick Cheney
def. 2008: Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney
2013-2017: Chris Christie/Bobby Jindal
def. 2012: Kathleen Sebelius/Barack Obama
2017-2025: Lawrence Lessig/Tulsi Gabbard
def. 2016: Chris Christie/Bobby Jindal
def. 2020: Jim Gilmore/Scott Walker
*Ronald Reagan successfully won the Republican primary against incumbent Gerald Ford.
1974-1977: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller
1977-1985: Ronald Reagan/Bob Dole*
def. 1976: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def. 1980: Ted Kennedy/Cliff Finch
1985-1989: Bob Dole/George H. W. Bush
def. 1984: Gary Hart/John Glenn
1989-1997: Al Gore/Jerry Brown
def. 1988: Bob Dole/George H. W. Bush
def. 1992: Jack Kemp/Donald Rumsfeld
1997-2005: John McCain/Phil Gramm
def. 1996: Jerry Brown/Bill Clinton
def. 2000: Joe Biden/John Kerry
2005-2013: Wesley Clark/Kathleen Sebelius
def. 2004: Phill Gramm/Dick Cheney
def. 2008: Rudy Giuliani/Mitt Romney
2013-2017: Chris Christie/Bobby Jindal
def. 2012: Kathleen Sebelius/Barack Obama
2017-2025: Lawrence Lessig/Tulsi Gabbard
def. 2016: Chris Christie/Bobby Jindal
def. 2020: Jim Gilmore/Scott Walker
*Ronald Reagan successfully won the Republican primary against incumbent Gerald Ford.
So despite Watergate the Republicans are in power for twenty successive years? I don't buy it. I don't even think Reagan would win in 1980, what with the oil crisis and how his particular brand of economic thinking would respond to that...
Also how did Tankie Gabbard worm her way onto a national party ticket without some major realignment? She seems a very poor fit for Lessig...
Ford was associated with the corruption in Washington, Reagan was an outsider. That was really why Carter won too.
For the sake of argument, ITTL she's the Governor of Hawaii by the time 2016 rolls around.
Turquoise Blue - The People's Democracy
This was mostly done as a response to the tired "meme" of liberal Republicans and populist Democrats. Since OTL has strong soc/econ conservatives [of the American meaning], I decided to create a world where the government of the day was a ridiculously-liberal social democratic party that nevertheless keeps the working-class vote.
Improbable? Possibly. A fantasy? Probably. But it's a change, IMHO.
The People's Democracy
aka: my response to all those NSS-clones.
31: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 1929-1933
1928: def. Al Smith (Democratic)
- Basically nothing changes apart from him being succeeded by Tydings.
32: Millard Tydings (Democratic) 1933-1937
1932: def. Herbert Hoover (Republican)
- No New Deal, the economy continues to suffer. Socialists and Communists are elected to Congress, while Huey Long grows in popularity and Upton Sinclair becomes Governor of California. By the end of his term, America is falling apart.
33: Huey Long (Commonwealth) 1937-1938*
1936: def. Millard Tydings (Democratic), Alf Landon (Republican), Norman Thomas (Socialist), Earl Browder (Communist)
- In a bitter four-way election with the Communists a major also-ran, Huey Long the charismatic demagogue from Louisiana ekes out a bare plurality, and manages to get Congress to support him due to the fear of civil war. Unfortunately, a mentally-ill man influenced by fascists shot him in 1938, to a nation's outcry.
34: John Nance Garner (Democratic) 1938-1941
- The conservative Democrat from Texas watered down what Huey Long managed to pass of his "Share Our Wealth" policies. He also used the assassination to crack down on "extremes", which he defined as socialists, communists and fascists. The rioting engulfing major cities due to this doomed his election bid.
35: Joseph W. Martin (Republican) 1941-1949
1940: def. John Nance Garner (Democratic), Joachim Fernandez (Commonwealth), Upton Sinclair (Socialist)
1944: def. Harry F. Byrd (Democratic), Olin Johnston (Commonwealth), Darlington Hoopes (Socialist)
- With the Commonwealthers falling apart due to the loss of their leader and the left-wing weakened by a crackdown, America was seemingly back on track, but the economy wasn't as well-off as it was back in the Roaring Twenties and labor strikes were more common than they were, but the Union was secure.
- President Martin consciously avoided American involvement in WWII due to the fragile political scene, and continued the watering down of Huey Long's "socialistic" policies. Notably, he insisted on keeping the minimum wage and formed a new "compassionate consensus" based around fiscal conservatism and piecemeal reform. Unfortunately, his own party wasn't accepting this.
36: Robert A. Taft (Republican) 1949-1951*
1948: def. Samuel Pettengill (Democratic), Henry A. Wallace (United Labor), Lyndon Johnson (Commonwealth)
- President Taft did not have much of a mandate, being barely elected over Senator Pettengill by a margin of four electoral votes, with both Wallace and Johnson losing out on electoral votes as the country seemingly polarised itself between two conservative parties. Taft himself would die in office of a heart attack.
37: Richard Nixon (Republican) 1951-1953
- President Nixon wouldn't make much of an impact, but he did oversee a turnaround from Taft's isolationism, bringing America into the "United Nations" and returned to Martin's "compassion consensus" from Taft's hardline economic conservatism.
38: Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic) 1953-1961
1952: def. Richard Nixon (Republican), Hubert Humphrey (United Labor)
1956: def. Joseph McCarthy (Republican), Walter Reuther (United Labor)
- America's first Catholic president, elected in a legendarily narrow election against Richard Nixon. The South was once again solidly Democratic thanks to the Commonwealth Party finally collapsing, but United Labor would hold on, relying on disgruntled working-class voters and labor unions. President Kennedy would get America involved into a war to defend Indochina from the Communists.
- The "Second Great Depression" starting early 1957 destroyed the Democratic Party as America's economy went back to ruin.
39: Barry Goldwater (Republican) 1961-1967**
1960: def. Henry Jackson (United Labor), John Sparkman (Democratic)
1964: def. Corley Wallace (United Labor), Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
- President Goldwater argued that dismantling the last of Huey Long's Share Our Wealth was the solution to the depression. Yeah, there's a reason he only got elected and re-elected via Democratic support. The end to the Indochinese War created relief, but the abolishment of the minimum wage only led to a General Strike that eventually led to an outright revolt. But the military would step in to prevent a senseless war. General McGovern took over in 1967 as the revolt was reaching its high.
40: George McGovern (Military) 1967-1971
- The "Second Washington" as he was called later in life, formed a "Transitional Council" and summoned the United Labor Coalition and the Movement for Freedom, the two forces leading the revolt, to discuss a new America. By the time he stepped down, a new Republic was formed, one that would be dominated by leftist forces as America grew sick with conservatism.
41: Eugene McCarthy (Social Democratic) 1971-1981
1970: def. Arvo Halberg (Communist), Nelson Rockefeller (Liberal), Spiro Agnew (Constitution), Gerald Ford (Moderate)
1975: def. Jeane Jordan (Communist), Jack McCain (Liberal-Moderate), Spiro Agnew (Constitution)
- The election of 1970 was the first one under the Third Republic, and the run-off was between the left-wing SDP and far-left Communists. Even in the Second Great Depression, people were not prepared to elect a Communist president. President McCarthy and the new leftist consensus passed through a lot of leftist bills they declared would form a "Civilized Society". This included universal healthcare, dubbed "Americare".
- Re-elected with an outright majority, he would step down in 1981 a very popular president and he is ranked up there with Lincoln.
42: Lane Kirkland (Social Democratic) 1981-1986
1980: def. Arlen Specter (Liberal-Moderate), Ronald Reagan (Communist), Phyllis Schlafly (Constitution)
- The 1980 election would see a runoff between the Left and Right for the first time, and it was surprisingly narrow. President Kirkland would focus much on extending the "Civilized Society"'s reforms to labor unions. The unionisation rate continued to increase under Kirkland, especially in the American South.
43: John Chafee (Liberal-Moderate) 1986-1991
1985: def. Lane Kirkland (Social Democratic), Angela Davis (Communist), John B. Anderson (Constitution)
- Truth be told, President Chafee didn't do much wrong. In fact, he reassured Americans that he wouldn't dismantle the "Civilized Society". He was seen as "every leftist's favorite Liberal". What a pity his re-election attempt fell victim to Milkmentum.
44: Harvey Milk (Social Democratic) 1991-2001
1990: def. John Chafee (Liberal-Moderate), Pat Buchanan (Constitution), Angela Davis (Communist)
1995: def. Jim Jeffords (Liberal-Moderate), Alan Keyes (Constitution), Sam Webb (Communist), Wendell Berry (Green)
- An openly-gay president of America? This would have been unthinkable back before the Second Revolution, as it was becoming known as. But by 1990, it was thinkable. The popular Governor of California was the clear favorite to win it all, and even the fact that President Chafee was fairly popular didn't stop the Milkmentum.
- President Milk continued his policies as Governor, as President. Continuation of pro-labor policies, along with bills furthering LGBT rights dominated his presidency. However, criticism of the centralist and pro-coal policies of the Social Democrats led to the rise of the Green Party, a party that is considered America's centrist party.
45: Bernard Sanders (Social Democratic) 2001-2006
2000: def. Jerry Brown (Liberal-Moderate), Al Gore (Green), Steve Forbes (Constitution), Joe Biden (Communist)
- It would be President Sanders that oversaw the end to the "Red Honeymoon" and the start of a shift to the right, economically. The man himself was a moderate, with some seeing him as a Liberal in disguise.
- The President wanted a new understanding between the strong labor unions and the government, a "New Agreement". The labor unions refused this as they saw President Sanders as aiming to weaken them in order to also weaken the radical faction in the SDP. In the end, President Sanders used up his political capital and appeared a weak President, unable to assert his authority.
46: Hillary Rodham (Liberal-Moderate) 2006-2016
2005: def. Bernard Sanders (Social Democratic), George Walker (Green), Joe Biden (Communist), Donald Trump (Constitution)
2010: def. Elizabeth Herring (Social Democratic), Rick Santorum (Communist), Louise Heath (Green), Jon Huntsman (Constitution)
- Rodham easily won 2005 over President Sanders and others. She was a devout Methodist, and could be broadly described as a Christian Democrat. Laying down the law with the strong unions, she managed to force them to the table after a failed General Strike, and worked with Liberals and SDP to form a new economy, a social-market one. To many Social Democrats, this sounded like a concession too far and they voted for fiery communist demagogue Rick Santorum.
- But in the end, the forces of labor was controlled and a new understanding was in place. With the Liberals popular, she handed over to Vice-President Obama.
47: Barack Obama (Liberal-Moderate) 2016-2021
2015: def. William de Blasio (Social Democratic), Zephyr Teachout (Green), Scott Brown (Communist), Jason Kander (Constitution)
- Poor President Barack Hussein Obama, II. To come after such a transformative president is a challenge, but to deal with a recession in your term that people blame you for? No wonder history tends to forget him apart from the fact he's its first African-American president, which is still remarkable even in post-Revolution America.
48: Katherine Brown (Social Democratic) 2021-2026
2020: def. Barack Obama (Liberal-Moderate), Ernest Paul (Constitution), Scott Brown (Communist), Felito Cruz (Green)
- President Brown would lead America out of the "Obama Recession", but she was nevertheless someone well within the "New Agreement", no radical out-of-the-box ideas from President Brown, and perhaps that's why she lost re-election.
49: Richard Pence (Liberal-Moderate) 2026-2031
2025: def. Katherine Brown (Social Democratic), Joni Culver (Communist), Ernest Paul (Constitution), Loretta Sanchez (Green)
- History will remember President Pence as "the man who sold the world". Elected on a platform of "Make World Peace Real", he looked the other way as the Union of European Socialist Republics [UESR] invaded the rebellious capitalist Guyana, only offered meek condemnations when the hermit state of Israel was invaded and annexed by its Arab neighbours, and at home he folded cards to separatist movements, offering referendums that Congress quickly shot down.
50: Misty Snow (Social Democratic) 2031-20??
2030: def. Richard Pence (Liberal-Moderate), William Smith (Green), Marie Kelly (Constitution), Jason Chaffetz (Communist)
- President Snow, America's first transgender and Mormon president, has quite the mess to clean as Pence leaves Washington-McGovern an unpopular man. Time will tell if she will be successful and win a second term, or continue the row of one-term Presidents.
Improbable? Possibly. A fantasy? Probably. But it's a change, IMHO.
The People's Democracy
aka: my response to all those NSS-clones.
31: Herbert Hoover (Republican) 1929-1933
1928: def. Al Smith (Democratic)
- Basically nothing changes apart from him being succeeded by Tydings.
32: Millard Tydings (Democratic) 1933-1937
1932: def. Herbert Hoover (Republican)
- No New Deal, the economy continues to suffer. Socialists and Communists are elected to Congress, while Huey Long grows in popularity and Upton Sinclair becomes Governor of California. By the end of his term, America is falling apart.
33: Huey Long (Commonwealth) 1937-1938*
1936: def. Millard Tydings (Democratic), Alf Landon (Republican), Norman Thomas (Socialist), Earl Browder (Communist)
- In a bitter four-way election with the Communists a major also-ran, Huey Long the charismatic demagogue from Louisiana ekes out a bare plurality, and manages to get Congress to support him due to the fear of civil war. Unfortunately, a mentally-ill man influenced by fascists shot him in 1938, to a nation's outcry.
34: John Nance Garner (Democratic) 1938-1941
- The conservative Democrat from Texas watered down what Huey Long managed to pass of his "Share Our Wealth" policies. He also used the assassination to crack down on "extremes", which he defined as socialists, communists and fascists. The rioting engulfing major cities due to this doomed his election bid.
35: Joseph W. Martin (Republican) 1941-1949
1940: def. John Nance Garner (Democratic), Joachim Fernandez (Commonwealth), Upton Sinclair (Socialist)
1944: def. Harry F. Byrd (Democratic), Olin Johnston (Commonwealth), Darlington Hoopes (Socialist)
- With the Commonwealthers falling apart due to the loss of their leader and the left-wing weakened by a crackdown, America was seemingly back on track, but the economy wasn't as well-off as it was back in the Roaring Twenties and labor strikes were more common than they were, but the Union was secure.
- President Martin consciously avoided American involvement in WWII due to the fragile political scene, and continued the watering down of Huey Long's "socialistic" policies. Notably, he insisted on keeping the minimum wage and formed a new "compassionate consensus" based around fiscal conservatism and piecemeal reform. Unfortunately, his own party wasn't accepting this.
36: Robert A. Taft (Republican) 1949-1951*
1948: def. Samuel Pettengill (Democratic), Henry A. Wallace (United Labor), Lyndon Johnson (Commonwealth)
- President Taft did not have much of a mandate, being barely elected over Senator Pettengill by a margin of four electoral votes, with both Wallace and Johnson losing out on electoral votes as the country seemingly polarised itself between two conservative parties. Taft himself would die in office of a heart attack.
37: Richard Nixon (Republican) 1951-1953
- President Nixon wouldn't make much of an impact, but he did oversee a turnaround from Taft's isolationism, bringing America into the "United Nations" and returned to Martin's "compassion consensus" from Taft's hardline economic conservatism.
38: Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (Democratic) 1953-1961
1952: def. Richard Nixon (Republican), Hubert Humphrey (United Labor)
1956: def. Joseph McCarthy (Republican), Walter Reuther (United Labor)
- America's first Catholic president, elected in a legendarily narrow election against Richard Nixon. The South was once again solidly Democratic thanks to the Commonwealth Party finally collapsing, but United Labor would hold on, relying on disgruntled working-class voters and labor unions. President Kennedy would get America involved into a war to defend Indochina from the Communists.
- The "Second Great Depression" starting early 1957 destroyed the Democratic Party as America's economy went back to ruin.
39: Barry Goldwater (Republican) 1961-1967**
1960: def. Henry Jackson (United Labor), John Sparkman (Democratic)
1964: def. Corley Wallace (United Labor), Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
- President Goldwater argued that dismantling the last of Huey Long's Share Our Wealth was the solution to the depression. Yeah, there's a reason he only got elected and re-elected via Democratic support. The end to the Indochinese War created relief, but the abolishment of the minimum wage only led to a General Strike that eventually led to an outright revolt. But the military would step in to prevent a senseless war. General McGovern took over in 1967 as the revolt was reaching its high.
40: George McGovern (Military) 1967-1971
- The "Second Washington" as he was called later in life, formed a "Transitional Council" and summoned the United Labor Coalition and the Movement for Freedom, the two forces leading the revolt, to discuss a new America. By the time he stepped down, a new Republic was formed, one that would be dominated by leftist forces as America grew sick with conservatism.
41: Eugene McCarthy (Social Democratic) 1971-1981
1970: def. Arvo Halberg (Communist), Nelson Rockefeller (Liberal), Spiro Agnew (Constitution), Gerald Ford (Moderate)
1975: def. Jeane Jordan (Communist), Jack McCain (Liberal-Moderate), Spiro Agnew (Constitution)
- The election of 1970 was the first one under the Third Republic, and the run-off was between the left-wing SDP and far-left Communists. Even in the Second Great Depression, people were not prepared to elect a Communist president. President McCarthy and the new leftist consensus passed through a lot of leftist bills they declared would form a "Civilized Society". This included universal healthcare, dubbed "Americare".
- Re-elected with an outright majority, he would step down in 1981 a very popular president and he is ranked up there with Lincoln.
42: Lane Kirkland (Social Democratic) 1981-1986
1980: def. Arlen Specter (Liberal-Moderate), Ronald Reagan (Communist), Phyllis Schlafly (Constitution)
- The 1980 election would see a runoff between the Left and Right for the first time, and it was surprisingly narrow. President Kirkland would focus much on extending the "Civilized Society"'s reforms to labor unions. The unionisation rate continued to increase under Kirkland, especially in the American South.
43: John Chafee (Liberal-Moderate) 1986-1991
1985: def. Lane Kirkland (Social Democratic), Angela Davis (Communist), John B. Anderson (Constitution)
- Truth be told, President Chafee didn't do much wrong. In fact, he reassured Americans that he wouldn't dismantle the "Civilized Society". He was seen as "every leftist's favorite Liberal". What a pity his re-election attempt fell victim to Milkmentum.
44: Harvey Milk (Social Democratic) 1991-2001
1990: def. John Chafee (Liberal-Moderate), Pat Buchanan (Constitution), Angela Davis (Communist)
1995: def. Jim Jeffords (Liberal-Moderate), Alan Keyes (Constitution), Sam Webb (Communist), Wendell Berry (Green)
- An openly-gay president of America? This would have been unthinkable back before the Second Revolution, as it was becoming known as. But by 1990, it was thinkable. The popular Governor of California was the clear favorite to win it all, and even the fact that President Chafee was fairly popular didn't stop the Milkmentum.
- President Milk continued his policies as Governor, as President. Continuation of pro-labor policies, along with bills furthering LGBT rights dominated his presidency. However, criticism of the centralist and pro-coal policies of the Social Democrats led to the rise of the Green Party, a party that is considered America's centrist party.
45: Bernard Sanders (Social Democratic) 2001-2006
2000: def. Jerry Brown (Liberal-Moderate), Al Gore (Green), Steve Forbes (Constitution), Joe Biden (Communist)
- It would be President Sanders that oversaw the end to the "Red Honeymoon" and the start of a shift to the right, economically. The man himself was a moderate, with some seeing him as a Liberal in disguise.
- The President wanted a new understanding between the strong labor unions and the government, a "New Agreement". The labor unions refused this as they saw President Sanders as aiming to weaken them in order to also weaken the radical faction in the SDP. In the end, President Sanders used up his political capital and appeared a weak President, unable to assert his authority.
46: Hillary Rodham (Liberal-Moderate) 2006-2016
2005: def. Bernard Sanders (Social Democratic), George Walker (Green), Joe Biden (Communist), Donald Trump (Constitution)
2010: def. Elizabeth Herring (Social Democratic), Rick Santorum (Communist), Louise Heath (Green), Jon Huntsman (Constitution)
- Rodham easily won 2005 over President Sanders and others. She was a devout Methodist, and could be broadly described as a Christian Democrat. Laying down the law with the strong unions, she managed to force them to the table after a failed General Strike, and worked with Liberals and SDP to form a new economy, a social-market one. To many Social Democrats, this sounded like a concession too far and they voted for fiery communist demagogue Rick Santorum.
- But in the end, the forces of labor was controlled and a new understanding was in place. With the Liberals popular, she handed over to Vice-President Obama.
47: Barack Obama (Liberal-Moderate) 2016-2021
2015: def. William de Blasio (Social Democratic), Zephyr Teachout (Green), Scott Brown (Communist), Jason Kander (Constitution)
- Poor President Barack Hussein Obama, II. To come after such a transformative president is a challenge, but to deal with a recession in your term that people blame you for? No wonder history tends to forget him apart from the fact he's its first African-American president, which is still remarkable even in post-Revolution America.
48: Katherine Brown (Social Democratic) 2021-2026
2020: def. Barack Obama (Liberal-Moderate), Ernest Paul (Constitution), Scott Brown (Communist), Felito Cruz (Green)
- President Brown would lead America out of the "Obama Recession", but she was nevertheless someone well within the "New Agreement", no radical out-of-the-box ideas from President Brown, and perhaps that's why she lost re-election.
49: Richard Pence (Liberal-Moderate) 2026-2031
2025: def. Katherine Brown (Social Democratic), Joni Culver (Communist), Ernest Paul (Constitution), Loretta Sanchez (Green)
- History will remember President Pence as "the man who sold the world". Elected on a platform of "Make World Peace Real", he looked the other way as the Union of European Socialist Republics [UESR] invaded the rebellious capitalist Guyana, only offered meek condemnations when the hermit state of Israel was invaded and annexed by its Arab neighbours, and at home he folded cards to separatist movements, offering referendums that Congress quickly shot down.
50: Misty Snow (Social Democratic) 2031-20??
2030: def. Richard Pence (Liberal-Moderate), William Smith (Green), Marie Kelly (Constitution), Jason Chaffetz (Communist)
- President Snow, America's first transgender and Mormon president, has quite the mess to clean as Pence leaves Washington-McGovern an unpopular man. Time will tell if she will be successful and win a second term, or continue the row of one-term Presidents.
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And Carter then lost the 1980 election... my biggest qualm is that the party of Watergate wins the three subsequent elections somehow, despite being far more tainted with the corruption than Carter ever was, and he still lost!
The fact that Gabbard is governor doesn't change the fact that she's a crazy nationalist, homophobic, populist with links to unsavoury foreign regimes who just happens to ally with Progressives because she's opposed to globalisation...
I love all of these original and unique names that you definitely didn't choose by looking at the "Candidates" section on Wikipedia.
I'm definitely no Gabbard fan, but she is popular with progressives who don't know/care about her more questionable policies. This might erode if the limelight gets shone on her, but she could always pull a Trump and bullshit her way around it. Being a crazy nationalist, homphobic populist with links to unsavory foreign regimes hasn't stopped presidential candidates before.
It tends not to do so well on the left though... she really would be !left Trump, and not a good VP for Lessig in the slightest.
If you just use names of politicians for completely different people you might as well just make up names. Gabbad's nuttiness is tied up in her family's background.
How do we know if the BJP is even in power with a 1976 POD? And even if they are, why would the public care?
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