List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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AidanM - Victories Inverted
Victories Inverted
1961-1963: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr.
def. 1960: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
1963-1965: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Vacant*
1965-1969: Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr./Harold Stassen
def. 1964: Hubert Humphrey/George Smathers

1969-1973: Robert F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey
def. 1968: Harold Stassen/Spiro Agnew
def. 1972: Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney

1973: Robert F. Kennedy/Vacant**
1973-1974: Robert F. Kennedy/John Lindsay
1974: John Lindsay/Vacant***
1974-1977: John Lindsay/Jimmy Carter
1977-1981: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford
def. 1976: John Lindsay/Jimmy Carter
1981-1989: Jerry Brown/Walter Mondale
def. 1980: Ronald Reagan/Gerald Ford
def. 1984: George H. W. Bush/Phil Crane

1989-1993: Joe Biden/Michael Dukakis
def. 1988: Dan Quayle/John B. Anderson
1993-2001: Lamar Alexander/Alexander Haig
def. 1992: Joe Biden/Michael Dukakis
def. 1996: Ann Richards/Bill Bradley

2001-2009: Al Gore/John Kerry
def. 2000: John McCain/Elizabeth Dole
def. 2004: John Kasich/George W. Bush

2009-2017: Susan Collins/Newt Gingrich
def. 2008: John Edwards/Howard Dean
def. 2012: Tom Perez/Jon Corzine

2017-present: Kanye West/Tulsi Gabbard
def. 2016: Chris Christie/Marco Rubio

* On November 22, 1963, President Richard Nixon was assassinated by Jack Leon Ruby. Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. ascended to the presidency. Lodge ran in 1964, and won a term in his own right. He selected Harold Stassen has his running mate, and he served as Vice President for his second term.
** Shortly after winning re-election, President Kennedy's VP, Hubert Humphrey, died of natural causes. Due to an Ammendment, Kennedy was allowed to nominate a new Vice President. He chose John Lindsay, who was confirmed by Congress within three months.
*** Robert F. Kennedy resigned after the death of his wife and daughter, who were killed on Christmas Day after a drunk driver hit the Secret Service car they were riding in. He said he was no longer mentally capable of serving as President, and resigned on January 3, 1974. John Lindsay became the next President and the first one to not be elected. He chose Jimmy Carter as his running mate.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
1969-1973: Robert F. Kennedy/Hubert Humphrey
1974-1977: John Lindsay/Jimmy Carter
See I don't feel the inversion works here; Hubes should be the one being made Veep in 1974 as he would work quite well as a Rockey parallel, as opposed to an Agnew, with Carter your Bob Dole who is the running mate in '76 and the nominee in '96.
 
Golfman76 - Solidarity
Solidarity

1981-1989: Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John B. Anderson/Pat Lucey (Independent)
1984: Adlai Stevenson II/Chuck Robb (Independent), Lyndon LaRouche/Mike Fairchild (Democratic)

1989-1997: George H. W. Bush/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1988: Bill Clinton/Mike Dukakis (Solidarity), Lyndon LaRouche/Theo Mitchell (Democratic)
1992: Bob Kerrey/Douglas Wilder (Solidarity)

1997-2001: Chris Dodd/Ann Richards (Solidarity)
1996: Bob Dole/John Engler (Republican)
2001-2005: Jack Kemp/John Ashcroft (Republican)
2000: Chris Dodd/Ann Richards (Solidarity)
2005-2013: John Edwards/Bob Graham (Solidarity)
2004: John Ashcroft/Rick Lazio (Republican), Dennis Kucinich/Eleanor Norton (Progressive Solidarity)
2008: Mike Huckabee/Tommy Thompson (Republican)

2013-2021: Lindsey Graham/Mike Crapo (Republican)
2012: Bob Graham/Tom Vilsack (Solidarity)
2016: Evan Bayh/Terry McAulliffe (Solidarity)

2021- : Roy Cooper/Chris Murphy (Solidarity)
2020: Mike Crapo/Charlie Baker (Republican), Tom Hoefling/Frank Fluckiger (American Independent)

LaRouche manages to win a Democratic primary against a divided field, hence causing a gigantic walkout from the convention. During Reagan's 2nd term, LaRoucheite ideas become more and more prevalent in the Democratic party, as evidenced by the 1986 Illinois Gubernatorial election. In the end, many anti-Larouche Democrats form the Solidarity party. The Democratic party dissolves in 1989. The Solidaritists soon take their position as the number one opposition to the GOP. In 1996 they get their first win, but lose in 2000. Despite the opposition of many left-wing Solidaritists, John Edwards was nominated and with him the moderate Florida Senator Bob Graham, hence leading to a left-wing pro-DC statehood third party.

Jack Kemp, after being diagnosed with Cancer in 2003, decides not to run, his vice President, John Ashcroft, wins the nomination but loses the election.

Edwards's 1st term was generally peaceful, but the 2nd term was more rocky. For one thing, the Apartheid government in South Africa was falling apart, and the government did all it could do to keep it in power. If this meant bombing rebellious Bantustans, then so be it. This crisis led to a US intervention in South Africa. Edwards had changed policy to South Africa in order to please the minority and left wing on his party. The intervention was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the apartheid government collapsed in 2011.

Graham's presidency was even more rocky. For one thing, North Korea had invaded South Korea in 2013. The war was harder than expected, but eventually the US won out.

In 2020, the economy had a downturn, which made the Graham administration unpopular. Roy Cooper, Governor of North Carolina, won the election against Crapo. The American Independent party, which was relevant in 1968, became relevant again, as many evangelicals were critical of the pro-choice Baker. Hoefling won 4.6% of the vote, but in some states got 9%
 

Deleted member 87099

Solidarity

1981-1989: Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democratic), John B. Anderson/Pat Lucey (Independent)
1984: Adlai Stevenson II/Chuck Robb (Independent), Lyndon LaRouche/Mike Fairchild (Democratic)

1989-1997: George H. W. Bush/Jack Kemp (Republican)
1988: Bill Clinton/Mike Dukakis (Solidarity), Lyndon LaRouche/Theo Mitchell (Democratic)
1992: Bob Kerrey/Douglas Wilder (Solidarity)

1997-2001: Chris Dodd/Ann Richards (Solidarity)
1996: Bob Dole/John Engler (Republican)
2001-2005: Jack Kemp/John Ashcroft (Republican)
2000: Chris Dodd/Ann Richards (Solidarity)
2005-2013: John Edwards/Bob Graham (Solidarity)
2004: John Ashcroft/Rick Lazio (Republican), Dennis Kucinich/Eleanor Norton (Progressive Solidarity)
2008: Mike Huckabee/Tommy Thompson (Republican)

2013-2021: Lindsey Graham/Mike Crapo (Republican)
2012: Bob Graham/Tom Vilsack (Solidarity)
2016: Evan Bayh/Terry McAulliffe (Solidarity)

2021- : Roy Cooper/Chris Murphy (Solidarity)
2020: Mike Crapo/Charlie Baker (Republican), Tom Hoefling/Frank Fluckiger (American Independent)

LaRouche manages to win a Democratic primary against a divided field, hence causing a gigantic walkout from the convention. During Reagan's 2nd term, LaRoucheite ideas become more and more prevalent in the Democratic party, as evidenced by the 1986 Illinois Gubernatorial election. In the end, many anti-Larouche Democrats form the Solidarity party. The Democratic party dissolves in 1989. The Solidaritists soon take their position as the number one opposition to the GOP. In 1996 they get their first win, but lose in 2000. Despite the opposition of many left-wing Solidaritists, John Edwards was nominated and with him the moderate Florida Senator Bob Graham, hence leading to a left-wing pro-DC statehood third party.

Jack Kemp, after being diagnosed with Cancer in 2003, decides not to run, his vice President, John Ashcroft, wins the nomination but loses the election.

Edwards's 1st term was generally peaceful, but the 2nd term was more rocky. For one thing, the Apartheid government in South Africa was falling apart, and the government did all it could do to keep it in power. If this meant bombing rebellious Bantustans, then so be it. This crisis led to a US intervention in South Africa. Edwards had changed policy to South Africa in order to please the minority and left wing on his party. The intervention was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the apartheid government collapsed in 2011.

Graham's presidency was even more rocky. For one thing, North Korea had invaded South Korea in 2013. The war was harder than expected, but eventually the US won out.

In 2020, the economy had a downturn, which made the Graham administration unpopular. Roy Cooper, Governor of North Carolina, won the election against Crapo. The American Independent party, which was relevant in 1968, became relevant again, as many evangelicals were critical of the pro-choice Baker. Hoefling won 4.6% of the vote, but in some states got 9%

Very original! I like it!
 
Brundlefly - Trumponomics
These days, pundits often evoke the Thatcher-Reagan revolution when they talk about Trump's victory and Theresa May leading Britain out of the EU. So here I came up with analogies for three countries following 'Trumponomics':

US Presidents:

2017-2025: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016 def. Hilary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democrat), Evan McMullin / Mindy Finn (Independent)
2020 def. Julian Castro / Lucy Flores (Democrat)


2025-2029: Mike Pence / Rick Scott (Republican)
2024 def. Steve Kerrigan / Terry McAuliffe (Democrat)

2029-2037: Beto O'Rourke / Cedric Richmond (Democrat)
2028 def. Mike Pence / Rick Scott (Republican), Justin Raimondo / Stanley McCrystal (Independent)
2032 def. Paul Ryan / Karl Malone (Republican), Justin Raimondo / Peter Thiel (Liberty)



Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom:

2016-2027: Theresa May (Conservative)
2020 def. Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Owen Smith / Tim Farron (Democratic Labour / Liberal Democratic Alliance)
2025 def. Andy Burnham (Labour), Tristram Hunt / Tim Farron (Democratic Labour / Liberal Democratic Alliance)


2027-2034: Greg Clark (Conservative)
2030 def. Andy Burnham (Labour), Graham Watson (Democratic)

2034- : Jonathan Reynolds (Labour)
def. Greg Clark (Conservative), Graham Watson (Democratic)


Chancellors of Germany:

2013-2019: Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU)

2017 def. Jörg Meuthen (AfD), Martin Schulz (SPD), Christian Lindner (FDP)

2019-2035: Markus Söder (CDU/CSU)
2020 def. Olaf Scholz (SPD), Christian Lindner (FDP), Sandra Detzer (Greens)
2024 def. Hannelore Kraft (SPD), Sebastian Körber (FDP), Sandra Detzer (Greens)
2027 def. Ralf Stegner (SPD), Philipp Rösler (FDP), Mona Neubaur (Greens), Andrej Holm (The Left)
2031 def. Konrad Wolf (SPD), Boris Palmer (Greens), Frank Sitta (FDP), Andrej Holm (The Left)


2035-: Sascha Vogt (SPD)
def. Markus Söder (CDU/CSU), Boris Palmer (Greens), Holger Zastrow (FDP), Andrej Holm (The Left)
 
US Presidents:

2017-2025: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2016 def. Hilary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democrat), Evan McMullin / Mindy Finn (Independent)
2020 def. Julian Castro / Lucy Flores (Democrat)


2025-2029: Mike Pence / Rick Scott (Republican)
2024 def. Steve Kerrigan / Terry McAuliffe (Democrat)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
Heliogabalus - 21st Century People as 20th Century Presidents
21st century presidents as repeats of 20th century presidents, but with parties reversed.

2001-2003 Al Gore / Joe Biden (Democratic)
def 2000 Ron Paul / Dan Quayle (Republican)
2003-2003 Joe Biden / vacant (Democratic)
2003-2009 Joe Biden / Jim Webb (Democratic)

def 2004 Clarence Thomas / Amo Houghton (Republican)
2009-2012 Hillary Clinton / Sam Nunn (Democratic)
def 2008 Ron Paul / John McCain (Republican)
2012-2013 Hillary Clinton / vacant (Democratic)
2013-2021 Lindsey Graham / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)

def 2012 Hillary Clinton / Bill Gates (Democratic), Joe Biden / Jerry Brown (Progressive), and Ralph Nader / Rocky Anderson (Green)
def 2016 Elizabeth Warren / Jim Webb (Democratic)

2021-2023 Anthony Weiner / Kirsten Gillibrand (Democratic)
def 2020 Steve Forbes / Paul Ryan (Republican)
2023-2023 Kirsten Gillibrand / vacant (Democratic)
2023-2029 Kirsten Gillibrand / Tim McGraw (Democratic)

def 2024 Tim Scott / Rand Paul (Republican) and Russ Feingold / Zephyr Teachout (Progressive)
2029-2033 Mark Zuckerberg / Barack Obama (Democratic)
def 2028 Nikki Haley / Evan McMullin (Republican)
2033-2041 Paul Ryan / Mike Pence (Republican)
def 2032 Mark Zuckerberg / Barack Obama (Democratic)
def 2036 Jason Kander / Markos Moulitsas (Democratic)

2041-??? Paul Ryan / Justin Amash (Republican)
def 2040 Ivanka Trump / Tulsi Gabbard (Democratic)

EDIT: Just realized that I accidentally had the dates in the 1900s. Fixed that.
 
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Lilac - Tied for Time
TIED FOR TIME


1961-1964: Richard M. Nixon☨ / C. Sinclair Weeks (Republican)[1]
1960: John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1964-1965: C. Sinclair Weeks / Vacancy (Republican)
1965-1972: C. Sinclair Weeks† / Gerald R. Ford (Republican)
1964: W. Stuart Symington, Jr. / Anthony J. Celebrezze (Democratic), Oren Harris / George C. Wallace, Jr. ('Rebel' Democrats)
1968: James Roosevelt II / Frank E. "Ted" Moss (Democratic)[2]

1972-1972: Gerald R. Ford☨ / Vacancy (Republican)[3]
1972-1973: J. Percy Priest / Vacancy (Democratic)[4]
1973-1977:
Francis L. Rizzo / Daniel K. Moore (Democratic)[6]
1972: Barry M. Goldwater / Charles E. Goodell, Various [5]
1977-1985: Russell W. Peterson / W. Pat Jennings (Republican)[7]
1976: Francis L. Rizzo / Preston E. Smith (Democratic)
1980: Paul G. Hatfield / James C. Corman (Democratic)

1985-1989: Christopher S. Adams, Jr. / Cleveland K. "Cleve" Benedict (Republican)[8]
1984: Jeff Corey / J. Wayne Mixson (Democratic), Laurance S. Rockefeller, Jr. / Richard P. Feynman (Green Center)
1989-1997: W. Harry Davis / Richard Lynn Fry(Democratic)[9]
1988: Christopher S. Adams, Jr. / Cleveland K. "Cleve" Benedict (Republican)
1992: Harvey B. Milk / Pietro V. Domenici (Republican)

1997-2001: Nancy P. Hollister / James A. Gibbons (Republican)
1996: Richard Lynn Fry/ George Nigh (Democratic)
2001-2002: John W. "Jack" Carter / Neil E. Goldschmidt* (Democratic)[10]
2000: Nancy P. Hollister / James A. Gibbons (Republican)
2002-2002: John W. "Jack" Carter / Vacancy (Democratic)
2002-2005: John W. "Jack" Carter / Martin T. "Marty" Meehan (Democratic)
2005-2013: Wyatt B. Creech / Danny Jones (Republican)

2004: John W. "Jack" Carter / Martin T. "Marty" Meehan (Democratic)
2008: Caroline B. Kennedy / Raymond E. Mabus, Jr. (Democratic)

2013-2017: Richard Cordray / Angela McLean (Democratic)
2012: Danny Jones / Ann Wofford (Republican)
2017-: B. Phillip Newmark / Roger S. Goodell (Republican) [11]
2016: Richard Cordray / Angela McLean (Democratic)


[1] Our initial POD is somewhat vaguely in the 40s/50s - the first major knock-on is when Massachusetts aristocrat Sinclair Weeks doesn't retire as Secretary of Commerce so soon - come 1960, Nixon has a significantly closer relationship with him than Lodge - and with Weeks' astuter debate advice and fewer missteps - Nixon narrowly pulls out the victory. Nonetheless, his gradual progress on civil rights - and ability to get Khruschkev to back down, will all be forgotten. Campaigning in Richmond, Virginia one cold February afternoon, President Nixon is shot twice by the embittered radical Sarah Jane Kahn over some damn thing in the Congo. President Weeks is drafted with little time for anything else - and he goes on to crush a squabbling, bitterly divided Democratic Party that still hasn't found it's way out of the wilderness.

[2] Former Senator, Secretary of Commerce, Vice President, and now President Sinclair Weeks is the firm hand on the tiller the Republican Party needs. To this day the Boston Brahmin is a Republican idol. Alongside Senator Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) he finally brought desegregation to the Deep South, presided over infrastructure and a burgeoning space program behind the scenes - and moved the chips all in on Vietnam. Him against the feckless, dynastic, playboy Governor of California? He clobbered him without breaking a sweat. When Weeks finally passed away at seventy-nine near the end of his second term, he left behind ethics reform, a steady economy, and an America that had finally moved beyond segregation.

[3] If Nixon and Weeks are the Father and Son (well, really Son and Father) - Gerald Rudolph Ford is the Holy Ghost. The charismatic young congressman had been chosen in 1964 to solidify the Midwest, and after nearly eight years in the Vice Presidency was one of the most prepared Presidents when he finally got thee big job. Ford had already been the presumptive nominee when Weeks passed away - he spent the months before the election looking glamorous, athletic, and above all - presidential. Ford's photo-op casually tackling Prime Minister Trudeau in a game of football became iconic - and sank Trudeau's career. Likewise, as Ford withdrew from Vietnam - he pivoted to Europe, where Pelše's Soviet Union was stumbling towards civil war. That October, as the U.S. brokered a ceasefire and interim leader Mazurov loosened the grip on Poland and Czechoslovakia - Gerald Ford could proclaim, as he did in stirring terms "There is no Soviet Domination of Eastern Europe." Just days later, as he was welcomed to a cheering New Orleans crowd by Governor McKeithen - the President of the United States was shot in the back of the head. Ford died instantly. The sniper got away - leading to a terrifying multi-day manhunt that ended with three more policemen dead before Mark Essex was captured alive.

For all that Republicans cherish Ike and Dick and Sinclair - they miss Gerald Ford. They miss the man who more than anyone was Middle America - who stood for strength abroad and prosperity at home. The Eagle Scout from a broken home, the WWII vet who'd graduated in the top quarter of his class at Yale Law - the man who lived the American dream.

[4] And after Ford's death came a constitutional crisis - the first ever 'double vacancy' as a grieving nation learned that the new President wasn't that little-known Arizonan Senator (who was, after all, only a running mate), but instead a Congressional titan - Speaker of the House Priest. And if ever a man was so clearly designed to be a caretaker President - it was the soulful Tennessean. Priest had tried to stay as far away from name-calling, from partisanship, as was possible in the rough-and-tumble of the House, and as he briefly assumed the Presidency, Priest made it crystal-clear that this was no victory of party. Instead he oversaw the final days of the now tumultuous election, and in the lame-duck Congress passed a bill to allow for the appointment of Vice-Presidents - a change long overdue.

[5] And if Priest had been blindsided, Goldwater was entirely stunned. The long-serving Senator had been chosen as a loyal friend of the President, a fellow conservative, and a Senator worthy of respect. And now at the age of 63 Barry Goldwater was the Republican Party's last hope to retain the Presidency. A still-grieving Goldwater marched from campaign stop to campaign stop giving muted, intellectual speeches, while for once the Democrats seemed to have seized (if in a gaffe prone way) - on the rage, the anger that the nation was struggling to express. The nation still mourning Ford voted down Senator Goldwater in a landslide - and he became immortalized as one of the great lost opportunities of American politics - a man too smart, too mild, to ever be President. The total opposite of his opponent.

[6] Five losses in a row was enough - Democratic voters had concluded, and so they'd replaced the undemocratic conventions of old that had selected Kennedy and Symington and Roosevelt with - primaries that no one understood. Almost no one. The brand new Governor of Pennsylvania - straight from cracking heads in the streets of Philadelphia - he had some idea of what the people wanted. They wanted someone who was 'Firm but fair' - someone who had promoted black officers yes, but also slashed crime and taught those Black Panthers not to mess around. So Clark and Metcalf and Salinger - the Three Stooges clowned around, splitting the liberal vote and wailing about those terrible rising incarceration rates - while Rizzo swept primary after primary. And then there was the Democratic Convention, where Rizzo cried "My party, my army!" to a roaring crowd - and then backtracked and picked southern moderate Dan Moore for VP.

This is bit that American history, all the hagiography, likes to forget - after twenty years of Republicans, constantly pushing and prodding for change from the White House - Rizzo was leading President Ford by three percent even after all the diplomacy, the charisma, was leading him in the polls the day Ford set foot in New Orleans.

And Mark Essex was a black man.

While Goldwater sleepwalked from campaign stop to campaign stop in mourning and gave speeches about States' Rights and economic prosperity - Rizzo said that had he been in New Orleans the police never would have been caught with their god-damn pants down - that he felt people's pain - that he would hold the line against big business and big government and above all, this wave, this onslaught of crime. So of course he won - a miserable Goldwater skulked out to concede early on election night an in the end - he'd only kept Arizona, North Dakota, and liberal Vermont.

[7] Yet, Rizzo wasn't even a catastrophe. Bad on civil rights yes - the black vote which had stayed with Democrats through Symington and Roosevelt Jr. seemed finally sick of him - but he certainly wasn't overthrown in some apocalyptic struggle. Rizzo just got pinned down finally - not a fresh Governor, not a new face, just someone who couldn't really balance budgets and couldn't really handle unions. Someone who neither social liberals nor conservatives were terribly fond of anymore. And of course, he had to dip his toe into foreign affairs again - into the cauldron that was overthrowing a democratic regime just because it had elected a socialist. Bachir Hadj Ali - and for that matter the rest of Algeria, were not terribly grateful.

So when a smiling dark horse strode out of Delaware - Russell Peterson with his environmentalism and his public service and his "A New Day for America" buttons - when he offered a vision of his own - Rizzo crumbled.

Peterson's term would however - start to drag on. Andropov was starting to gain back ground where the Soviet Union had been, not all environmental problems were solved as neatly as getting rid of leaded fuel, and the economy and budget were still - teetering. Peterson gave more lip-service to disappointed conservatives, pointed out how liberal Hatfield and Corman were - and narrowly scraped by to re-election, and a second uninspiring term.

[8] Peterson's administration had finally plodded to something like an end - and the Republicans looked set to lose handily. Then along came a white knight - a smart, polished, bonafide hero of the air-war over Algeria. Ret. Gen. (USAF) Christopher J. Adams - newly minted Senator from Texas, hawk, and willing to right U.S. foreign policy. A new Ike. And against him would come an opponent out of 50s central casting, literally - former actor Jeff Corey, with a blacklist in his past and a decent Congressional career to his name. "Jeff Corey was a literal Communist" Republicans shouted - but more to the point, for all of JC's charisma, he was 70, vaguely craggy, and an unrepentant liberal when the wishy-washy President had managed to make that astoundingly unpopular. Corey and Adams were both out of the usual, and in the end - so was the third option, fabulously wealthy environmental activist Laurance Rockefeller. Rockefeller badly wanted to carry the President's torch forward - was willing to put boatloads of money into it, and was also a painfully young 40. He nearly got away with it in a tight three-cornered race, and although Rockefeller walked away with Connecticut and Montana - Adams went home with the electoral college.

[9] In hindsight, picking Chris as a second Ike was a boneheaded mistake. Why was Ike Ike? Not because of his epaulets, but because he'd been a moderate, willing to work with Congress, with a relatively untroubled domestic scene. Adams on the other hand faced rising inequality, environmental issues that had now been accepted on both sides of the aisle, - and frosty relations with China that simply would not improve. Adams could land the first man on the moon - but he couldn't get anything done on Earth. And besides, he faced the Minnesota political paragon of the 20th century. A former Mayor of Minneapolis, Harry Davis fought polio, poverty, and oppression for the color of his skin - to become the first black Senator from Minnesota, an avid boxer and a charming politician. Davis knocked out Adams, at the very least - and what's more he finally knocked down the Republican coalition. Black voters and poor, rural whites were two groups that were now more Democratic than ever before - solidified by Davis' VP pick of the endearing, nearly socialist Representative Richard Fry of Missouri. "Rick and Harry" made an effective team - triangulating on emissions caps, fighting for healthcare and infrastructure across the country. Let the Republicans get caught up in their tax-cuts and their yuppie aspirations - Democrats knew what they cared about. With a sinking economy and crisis in Taiwan - Fry only, barely, dropped the Torch.

[10] Jack Carter picked it up again, slightly dented - Nancy Hollister and the Republicans had actually won the popular vote the second time around too. If it hadn't been for that nasty whiff of scandal around her conservative VP picked for balance - why, who knows how the first female presidency might have gone down? As it was, the soft-spoken Nevadan Senator promised the American people that he would never, ever lie to them. His VP on the other hand - had no such qualms. The successful recovery, rise of A.I. and new trade deals - all went forgotten as the Presidency finally became a circus - Goldschmidt's indiscretions breaking the dam on all the misdeeds politicians had done over the years. A swamped, out of his element Jack Carter lost re-election - despite winning the popular vote this time.

[11] It was the dull, flip-flopping North Carolina Senator that swept into power almost by accident - amidst Creech's fumblings and stumblings he flew to Taiwan to say 'up yours' to the firmly capitalist regime now in China (all while chopping up Davis' safety net himself) - and although he won re-election - the dull Governor of Ohio swung back to the other extreme on both foreign and fiscal policy. And then so did the sleek Connecticut businessman. A politics that was increasingly unanchored by social issues - was not necessarily better.
 
Mumby - The Lincolnshire Poacher (follow-up)
I'm not even sure if this is the right place to put this

THE LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER
Democracy in England's Syndicalist County
And this is my idea of what is going on nationally.

1916-1924: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1919 (Coalition with Conservatives, and National Democratic and Labour Party) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (National), various (Silver Badge), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democratic and Labour), Christopher Turnor (Rural), Christabel Pankhurst (Womens'), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour)
1924-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1924 (Coalition with National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Henry Page Croft (National), Havelock Wilson (National Democrat), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Herbert Matthews (Rural), Frederick Lister (Silver Badge), Tom Mitchell (Socialist Labour)
1927-1933: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928 (Coalition with Nationals and 'Left' National Democrats) def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Leo Amery (National), Rhys Hopkins Morris (Liberal / 'Right' National Democrat), Christopher Turnor ('Left' National Democrat), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour), C.H. Hoare (Rural)
 
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And this is my idea of what is going on nationally.

1916-1924: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1919 (Coalition with Conservatives, and National Democratic and Labour Party) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (National), various (Silver Badge), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democratic and Labour), Christopher Turnor (Rural), Christabel Pankhurst (Womens'), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour)
1924-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1924 (Coalition with National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Henry Page Craft (National), Havelock Wilson (National Democrat), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Herbert Matthews (Rural), Frederick Lister (Silver Badge), Tom Mitchell (Socialist Labour)
1927-1933: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928 (Coalition with Nationals and 'Left' National Democrats) def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Richard Cooper (National), Rhys Hopkins Morris (Liberal / 'Right' National Democrat), Christopher Turnor ('Left' National Democrat), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour), C.H. Hoare (Rural)
Richard Cooper in bed with the reds.

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theev - Humanity fucked up.

Deleted member 87099

> Tell me about your world, John.
> What is there to tell?
> What happened to it? Why are the seas like they are? How is the atmosphere like it is?
> Humanity fucked up.
> How?
> We were all seemingly swept under in a fury of jingoistic nationalism. People told us to not forget the exchange. Never forget the exchange. And we never did.
> Interesting, John. Have you any more information?
> Yes, but I must go tonight. I'll leave you with this.

List of Presidents of The United States of America (1960-Present Day)


1961-1966: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic) 1

1960: Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
1964: Curtis Lemay/Barry Goldwater (Constitution) , Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney (Republican)

1966-1971: Lyndon B. Johnson/Henry M. Jackson (Democratic) 2
1968: Curtis Lemay/John Wayne (Constitution) , George Romney/William Scranton (Republican)
1971-1979: Henry M. Jackson/Richard Ichord (Democratic) 3
1972: Spiro T. Agnew/John Ashbrook (Constitution) , Richard Nixon/Edward Brooke (Republican)
1976: James Buckley/Orville Hubbard (Constitution) , Edward Brooke/Charles Percy (Republican)

1979-1981: Richard Ichord/Robert Byrd (Democratic) 4
1981-1989: Ronald Reagan/Donald Rumsfeld (Constitution) 5

1980: Richard Ichord/Robert Byrd (Democratic) , John Anderson/Pete McCloskey (Republican)
1984: Robert Byrd/Thomas Eagleton (Democratic) , Pete McCloskey/Lowell P. Weicker Jr. (Republican)

1989-1997: Donald Rumsfeld/Alexander Haig (Constitution) 6
1988: Chuck Robb/Bruce Babbitt (Democratic) , Jerry Brown/Various (Republican)
1992: Lee Hamilton/Sam Nunn (Democratic) , Various Republicans

1997-2005: John McCain/Joe Lieberman (Democratic) 7
1996: Robert Dornan/Dick Cheney (Constitution)
2000: Oliver North/John Engler (Constitution)

2005-2007: George W. Bush/Thomas Kean (Democratic) 8
2004: Fred Thompson/Paul Wolfowitz (Constitution) , Dick Mountjoy/Mike Foster (Apocalypse)
2007-2007: Chuck Hagel(Democratic) 9
2007-2009: David Petraeus (Independent) 10
2009-2017: Stanley McChrystal/Lindsey Graham (National) 11

2008: Dick Cheney/Tom Ridge (Union) , Virgil Goode/Mike Pence (Enlightenment) , Ron Paul/Gary Johnson (Liberty) , Angela Davis/Sam Webb (Communist) , Joe Biden/Ralph Nader (Reconstruction) , Various
2012: Robert Gates/Karl Rove (Union) , Mike Pence/Mick Mulvaney (Enlightenment) , Ron Paul/Paul Ryan (Liberty) , Various

2017-2025: Michael Flynn/Scooter Libby (Union) 12
2016: Lindsey Graham/Ash Carter (New Democratic) , Jim Talent/Tim Pawlenty (National) , Various
2020: Lindsey Graham/Rick Perry (New Democratic) , Edward Cruz/Tim Cotton (National) , Various

2025-0000: Lindsey Graham/Mark Rubio (New Democratic) 13
2024: Edward Cruz/Dallas Petersen (National Union) , Various


1 Kennedy was a young man in over his head. He presided over The Exchange and vowed to never let something like it happen again. He would die before he could see through on that vow.

2 Johnson established "The Johnson Doctrine" and re established the United States on foreign affairs. His own cigarette addiction and alcoholism would get the best of him.

3 Jackson negotiated peace before the Sino-Soviet War went nuclear. Won a Nobel Prize for that. But he also turned America's military into a massive sleeping giant just waiting to pounce. Poor weather conditions and an Air Force One in need of an emergency location were responsible for his death.

4 Ichord presided over the Third Red Scare and enthusiastically supported it, at least at first. By the end of his term he drew criticisms from the left and right domestically and left the US Economy in a deep recession.

5 Reagan looked the other way as mass graves were dug during the Chinese Civil War, and "Reaganomics" threw a party for the rich.

6 Rumsfeld continued Reagan's policies and made sure that Latin America and the Middle East fell in line with America's goals.

7 McCain sent Americans to die in the Chinese Quagmire. Meanwhile, the world was calm, too calm.

8 Bush threw the Earth off the cliff. Already very tense relations with the Soviet Union became hair-trigger tense and when last ditch negotiations with General Secretary Putin reached an impasse in May, 2007, the nukes were launched. And while the world was no stranger to nuclear war (See: The Exchange, The Chinese Civil War, The Indo-Pakistani War of 1991, and Israeli Military Conflicts in The Middle East (1980-2010)) this one wasn't just responsible for destroying a handful of cities like its predecessors, no, this one was responsible for destroying countless cities and rendering large swathes of land all over the world (though mostly in North America, Europe, or Asia) inhospitable. Bush and most of the government were killed during the war that would later be generically known as World War 3.

9 Hagel was Bush's Secretary of Agriculture and the next in line for the presidency after everyone ahead of him in the line of succession were killed in World War 3. He would lead the country in the first few days following the attack but would quickly resign in favor of an experienced American General to take the reins of the broken nation.

10 Petraeus was that General. Under his leadership, America would begin to repair itself and lick its wounds. The same couldn't be said for the former Soviet Union and most of Europe. An election would even be able to be held on time in November, 2008.

11 McChrystal followed Petraeus after coming out of an extremely divided election. He would ramp up reconstruction efforts during his term and attempted to re establish America as a power on the world stage, to varying success.

12 Flynn would become President after a deep split in the National Party between Senator Talent and Vice President Graham. Flynn would increase military operations in the former state of Mexico and would roll pack quite a few of McChrystal's reconstruction reforms. He'd only stay in office because of the National Party split. Worried about the growing influence of Lindsey Graham's New Democratic Party, he would strike a deal with Edward Cruz and fuse the National and Union Parties together as the National Union Party in January, 2022.

13 Graham is the incumbent President. He used to be a high ranking General before World War 3 (he was also a partisan Democrat and personal friend of President McCain during that time). Graham has already began to undo much of what President Flynn accomplished.
 
Mumby - The Lincolnshire Poacher II
LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER II: THE NATIONAL SITUATION

1916-1924: David Lloyd George (Coalition Liberal)
1919 (Coalition with Conservatives, and National Democratic and Labour Party) def. Andrew Bonar Law (Conservative), William Adamson (Labour), Eamon de Valera (Sinn Fein), Henry Page Croft (National), various (Silver Badge), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), George Nicoll Barnes (National Democratic and Labour), Christopher Turnor (Rural), Christabel Pankhurst (Womens'), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour)
1924-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1924 (Coalition with National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Henry Page Croft (National), Havelock Wilson (National Democrat), H.H. Asquith (Liberal), Herbert Matthews (Rural), Frederick Lister (Silver Badge), Tom Mitchell (Socialist Labour)
1927-1932: Ramsay MacDonald (Labour)
1928 (Coalition with Nationals and 'Left' National Democrats) def. Stanley Baldwin (Conservative), Leo Amery (National), Rhys Hopkins Morris (Liberal / 'Right' National Democrat), Christopher Turnor ('Left' National Democrat), Tom Bell (Socialist Labour), C.H. Hoare (Rural)
1932-1937: Leo Amery (National)
1932 (Coalition with Conservatives and National Democrats) def. Ramsay MacDonald (Labour), Noel Skelton (Conservative), Christopher Turnor (National Democrat), Tudor Rees (Liberal), Harry Pollitt (Socialist Labour), various (Workers of Britain)

Okay so, WW1 ended badly for everybody, and while the Coupon works, Labour wins over 100 seats, and the rest of the Opposition is madly fragmented. This means the fragile majority the Coupon holds actually works fairly effectively. The Conservatives never break the pact, while Lloyd George merges his party with Nicoll Barnes' Labour split off, as part of a plan to create a dominant Centre Party. It never quite works as he is pressure out of power by his own party as revelations of his corruption emerge. Austen Chamberlain wins a second equally narrow majority for the Coupon in 1924, but the Opposition is coalescing now. The Silver Badge haemorrhages seats, while Women's disappear entirely.

The government is brought down over the General Strike which splits the the National Democrats and the Ruralists. The Left National Democrats absorb much of the pro-strike Ruralists and in 1928, the Labour Party forms a coalition with fellow radicals in the National Party and the Left National Democrats.

MacDonald is turfed out by the National Party who force the country to a general election which secures them as the largest party. They form a coalition with the Conservatives, who absorbed the last of the Ruralists, and the National Democrats. Meanwhile the pro-Moscow Socialist Labour Party grows somewhat, though they are suffering as the fragmented syndicalist/DeLeonist party, Workers of Britain emerges. It's heartland is in Lincolnshire though they have spread their success to neighbouring Norfolk...
 
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