Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Red Arturoist, Apr 1, 2014.
I choose the third or last flag.
When was the last big flag post I made...? July 8th? Holy crap, that was four months ago! Time goes by fast, huh? Well, to make up for lost time, how about I present some of the flags I've made during that quiet period? I got two Fascist flags, two Syndicalist flags, and two Democratic flags to share today; to work around the 3-images/day rule, I'll be using spoilers on today's flags to save space and not clog up the thread.
First, the two Fascist flags:
Spoiler: Independent State of Rhodesia Flag (New Redux)
Once again went back to the drawing board with my Rhodesia design, foregoing any attempt to mimic the full Rhodesian coat-of-arms, and just simplified things down to just the shield and the pickaxe elements, before adding in the OB eagle and AWB triskelion as per the usual "Nazi Afrikaner" stereotypes I give Rhodesia here. The sagebrush branches are just there to fill up empty space.
Spoiler: ODESSA - Black Sun Argentina Flag
Speaking of Nazi stereotypes, Argentina gets hit with the "Nazis in Argentina" trope-bat once again, this time being ODESSA - the spy-thriller secret conspiracy organization of former SS personnel - deciding to just end the masquerade of hiding in the shadows behind the Argentine League, and outright coups their puppet military-junta to directly seize power themselves; and so the Black Sun of the Schutzstaffel casts its dark shadow on the world once again... this will not last very long for them.
Now onto the two Syndicalist flags - both of them inspired by Sweden in Kaiserreich:
Spoiler: Swedish Syndicalist Commune Flag
The first flag is simply my near-direct copy of the in-game flag Sweden uses when it goes down the conventional Syndicalist route, nothing particularly fancy here.
Spoiler: Swedish Syndicalist Republic Flag
The second flag here is more unique in that it is my rendition of a Syndie-Sweden flag that instead uses the socialist-coat-of-arms seen in-game when Syndie-Sweden has yet to choose a leader to fill the leader portrait in the Political Interface menu, and so the 'provisional council' represented by the CoA fills in the blank until then.
Lastly, the two Democratic flags:
Spoiler: Republic of Angola Flag
The first one here is for an Angola that has entirely shifted away from its authoritarian-Marxist past and fully transitions into a proper functioning democracy. The design is inspired by a real-life proposal in 2003 for a flag change, but was never adopted. The sun design is inspired by the Tchitundo-Hulu cave paintings, albeit stylized to be less childlike/cartoonish; said stylized design comes from these two redesigns found on r/Vexillology, the latter of which I've taken more from the Pan-African colors variant.
Spoiler: Republic of Mozambique Flag
The second Democratic flag and the last one for today is for a Mozambique that, like its Angolan brother, transitioned into a fully-democratic system and dropped its old Marxist-inspired symbolism. The flag's base-tricolor design here is taken from the RENAMO (Mozambican National Resistance) - part-militant group, part-political party, all anti-communist - that has had a long... let's say disagreement, with the ruling FRELIMO (Mozambique Liberation Front) Party, which, while having established a multi-party system via a new constitution in 1990 (and abandoned explicit Marxism-Leninism), is still the dominant party in the Mozambique parliament. The chevron and the green/gold colors were just lifted over from the IRL/OTL Mozambique flag, while the emblem design within the chevron is... well, just something random I threw together because I didn't have anything fitting for Mozambique and couldn't come up with anything better. And yes, I'm aware of how much blasphemy it is to remove the iconic AK-47 rifle from the Mozambique flag. If I had a way to do so, I would've kept it on there!
Anyways, that's the last of the flags for today. Hopefully the spoilers system here sidesteps the issue with the 3-per-day rule. Until next time!
Flag of South Kenya (officially the Commonwealth of Kenya) from my Desire the Right TL
Flag of the US State of Chippewa, created in 1971 after the OTL campaign of a group of UP senators led by Dominic Jacobetti succeeded in obtaining the consent of the Michigan legislature to hold a statehood referendum in the upper peninsula. After the narrow passage of the referendum, the federal government agreed to the secession of the Upper Peninsula from the State of Michigan and its admission to the union as the 51st state after the provisions creating the Northwest Territories were ceremonially amended to allow for a sixth state to be created from them.
Black represents the iron mining and shipping industry of the state. Pine green represents its vast boreal forests and logging industry. Bleu celeste represents the state's clear sky and clean air.
The bands are fimbriated with white, representing (on bottom) winter snow and (on top) autumn thunderstorms.
Crossed pick-axes represent the state's mining industry in general, and they are a rusty orange-red to represent both copper and iron.
Above the pick-axes, inscribed with the upper fimbriation and a circle of blue, is a circle of red representing the sun and hope. Within is a white-tailed deer passant and proper.
The pick-axes are crossed over a ship's anchor, representing the rich history of shipping and seafaring on lakes Michigan and Superior, as well as the Soo Locks. Within the ring of the anchor is another circle of red representing the pellets of iron ore that are shipped from the docks in Marquette and (still at the time) my home town of Escanaba.
On the anchor is written in red the motto MELIOREM LAPSA LOCAVIT, or "they've planted one better than the one fallen", which was the original motto of the Northwest Territories at their inception in 1787.
Recent flags from my TL
So while I was working on a timeline about an independent Romani-settled Crete, (butterflies were shot down in cold blood) I drew up two designs for a flag. I haven't been able to decide which I want to use so I decided to let you guys decide.
1) Wheel on Field
The red wheel in the center represents both the wandering heritage of the Rominians (Cretan Romani) and the blood of those who fought for the freedom. The purple around the spoke represents the nation's riches (long story involving a spider bite, Yemeni pirates and some wise investments by Lash (Louis) I. The eight spokes represent the eight major town of Crete at the time of the Rominian Revolution, and the green field represents prosperity, the solidarity of the people and the island of Crete. The blue border represents the sea and the strength of the people.
2) Kaneiya Battle Flag
This flag was the flag that was flown by the rebels after successfully driving the Ottomans from Kaneiya in 1877. It was made by dying and tacking onto a captured Ottoman standard, and as such reflects this.
The red dot in the center of the hoist has the same meaning as the wheel on the first flag, as does the green field The blue border around it shows the sovereignty of the Rominians and their willingness to defend both Crete and themselves to the death.
The red 'tails', for lack of a better word, represent blood. Unlike the wheel, they represent the blood of the Ottoman soldiers and the blood of any who would wish to force chains upon the Rominians. (Semi-ironically, in 2019 the Rominian king is the most domestically powerful monarch in Europe) Their direction is also intended to show the Turks fleeing as the tails face sinister.
So which do you guys prefer?
I really like the first one. May I offer this?:
Which of these flags do you guys think looks better?
Would it change your answers if I said this was meant to be for an alternate China?
Like my thinking going into this flag was that it would be based off the alt American flag that I made.
Just as the OG Chinese flag was based on the American flag as can be seen in it's evolution.
Flag of a neo-Confederate group in the 1930s. They viewed the Great Depression as a reason to secede from a corrupt and useless government. They would begin to prepare attempts to coup Southern state governments. However the attack on Pearl Harbor would lead to the groups rhetoric to no longer appeal and thus their membership would slowly decline and disappear
I still like 2. I prefer the yellow suns, which look fine on both red and blue. I also like the boldness of the huge pentagonal charge of blue in the center.
I also like the one flag with the 9 stripes representing (I assume) the traditional nine provinces. If the white stripes and sun were yellow I think it would be the perfect combination of US-esque and distinctive.
I've been doing more flag work recently for the Crumpleverse. My previous experience has been strongly based around maps, and creating flags is more of a recent thing for me. In the tradition of the Crumpleverse, which originated as worldbuilding doodles, these were a nice quick creative thing during a very intense period with the day job.
Triumph was a colony originally founded by a British expedition. It was intended from the start to emphasise what was considered the best parts of Britain's legacy. A more cynical observer would have called it a world based on nostalgia. Triumph quickly became a key industrial world for developing colonies, producing everything from maglev trains to habitat domes and bicycles. Between this crucial role in the growing human sphere and the colony's relative age it was, until the latter part of the 24th century, one of the most prominent worlds outside Earth's solar system.
This flag was in use until 2389. It attempts to combine nostalgia with looking toward the future. The rounded, truncated Union Flag stands in the centre, on a field of British racing green, both classically British with centuries of legacy. But the gold ring has expanded beyond and outside the Union Flag, and within that flag something else grows in the form of the diamond shape.
Rapta was a project of considerable ambition. It was settled by a combined expedition composed of colonists from every East African nation, not out of economy but in the hope of creating a new society greater than the already considerable sum of its parts. It was named Rapta after one of the earliest attested cities of East Africa. Over time a shared, Raptaite culture began to emerge, along with a vibrant transplanted ecosystem.
This flag draws on pan-African colours. The use of stars is common among the 21st century African flags which inspired this one. However, the use of the single, large central star is a particular reference to the flags of Somalia and South Sudan. The ring of stars around the central, greater star represents the multiplicity of nations represented on Rapta, and their containment in a thick circle refers to their safety and belonging together on this world.
Novgoroth was founded relatively late considering the importance of the Russian Federation in Earth's history of spaceflight. This was due to Russia's heavy involvement in the colonisation and terraformation of Mars, alongside other prominent early space powers. Novgoroth was only founded in 2168, a little while after Mars achieved true self sufficiency. The colony benefited from the more developed interstellar economy at the time of its creation, allowing for a much speedier creation and greater freedom for artistic expression in doing so. Novgoroth soon became synonymous with a kind of crystalline elegance. Despite this, and its settlement in a long era of peace, Novgoroth invested in a standing naval force with some teeth, which would later prove to be a fortunate move.
This flag doesn't really draw on its Earthly metropolis, Novgorod, for its visual inspiration barring the presence of blue. Instead it relies more on the Neosoviet style popular in the mid-late 22nd century in Russia. It also takes inspiration from a number of historical Russian space emblems and symbols across its long history of space exploration, anthropomorphised into an avian image known as the Novgoroth firebird.
After the 2092 UNSA intervention in New Beijing there was a relative chastening of the People's Republic of China's interstellar ambitions. Japan saw an opportunity in this situation. Despite already contributing to the development of Mars' human population and infrastructure Japan took the important decision of establishing its own extrasolar colony. Whilst Japan was convinced this would be a platform to interstellar prominence, however, its colonists were more enthusiastic about the amount of space available for living, and turned this burgeoning world into a model of decentralised urbanism. Whilst Japan did construct orbital shipyards New Tokyo's garden cities became the heart of its interstellar reputation.
The gingko leaf at the heart of this flag is taken from Tokyo's 1989 emblem and associated flag, but the combination of white, orange, and dark blue were more in keeping with New Tokyo's own preferences (though each shade on the flag is taken from the traditional Japanese palette). Likewise the addition of bars were innovative almost for the sake of it, a common thread in offworld design across the human sphere.
Asterion was the brainchild of the European Union, intended to represent the best of European urbanism in the form of an interstellar colony. However, the result was a somewhat formless, anonymous world at first with no particular identity or design ethos, whose main virtue was being easy to live in and coming across as high tech without particularly challenging early 22nd century notions of urbanism. Its citizens spent many subsequent decades working to change this. Their efforts were not in vain, as by the 23rd century Asterion was a hub of cultural experimentation and artistic expression. In the present day its remaining core of 'high tech' European urbanism is a rare survival of this architectural form, and what once made it almost anonymous now adds to its unique qualities.
The central motif of the flag is modified from a Roman solar motif found on a mosaic depicting the story of Europa. This reference to Europe's namesake, and the usage of Roman design, was considered suitably pan-European and pan-Mediterranean to be suitable for Asterion. The thin stripes behind were intended to emphasise the high tech focus of Asterion's society, but also to provide contrast and a more distinctive series of forms.
My first attempt at making an original flag, I’ll probably use it for a universe I’m working on in a different website
Banner of the Allied Intelligence Service (AIS), formed in 1941 with the merger of the OSS and the SOE under a joint British-US command. The phrase translates to “Light of Liberty”
Here's something inspired by the CS flags above:
This one uses the red star-field as canton, with seven stripes on the fly in white and grey. Grey invokes the iconic uniforms of CS officers as well as the fury of the thunderstorm, contrasted as war against white as peace. Seven representing the inaugural seven states that formed the confederate union. To further differentiate the rebel stripes from the yankee stripes, the white stripes are ordered against the grey stripes opposite how the red stripes are ordered against the white stripes in the US flag. The three grey stripes also represent the three primary regions of the CS; Upper South, Deep South, and Trans-Mississippi. It has a 4:7 ratio, which is my favorite and also different from that of the US.
These are all amazing. I especially love Rapta. Reminds me of Angola.
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