Al Grito de Guerra: the Second Mexican Revolution

To be fair, it was a pretty easy decision to make. Even before NAFTA, it would be an act of sheer lunacy on the part of any President to simply stand by as our southern neighbor experiences an economic catastrophe. $2.6 billion, as will soon be seen, won't be nearly enough to save the Mexican economy from severe contractions, but Reagan feels uncomfortable about the prospect of loaning too much because of the coming election. It's really more of a token loan to demonstrate U.S. support for the Mexican government, as well as a short-term measure to tide Mexico over while de la Madrid and Salinas negotiate for a bigger loan from the IMF.
It'll probably be enough to secure things till the November election, but Reagan is probably putting feelers out to other nations to pick up the slack in trade in case Mexico collapses. My pick is Brazil.

An interesting collateral casualty to the Mexican Revolution would be Cuba. They send so much money to the leftists that they go bankrupt (like the French during the American Revolution). They start cracking down on their population leading to civil unrest and a US-led liberation force overthrowing the castros. Food for thought :)
 
It'll probably be enough to secure things till the November election, but Reagan is probably putting feelers out to other nations to pick up the slack in trade in case Mexico collapses. My pick is Brazil.

An interesting collateral casualty to the Mexican Revolution would be Cuba. They send so much money to the leftists that they go bankrupt (like the French during the American Revolution). They start cracking down on their population leading to civil unrest and a US-led liberation force overthrowing the castros. Food for thought :)
Seems unlikely, cuban money in latin american politics has been greatly exagerated and its soviet money anyway.
 
Part 7: 1988 United States presidential election, 1988 Canadian federal election
I had a day off, and the next update will take some time to research, so here's Part 7 up front. Enjoy!
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Going into the last month of the United States presidential election of 1988, Republican nominee George Bush looked unstoppable. As Vice President to popular President Ronald Reagan, Bush had successfully portrayed his Democratic opponent, Governor Michael Dukakis, as an elitist “Massachusetts liberal” who was soft on crime, ignorant of military matters and out of touch with the hopes and dreams of average, everyday Americans. As September turned to October, Bush seemed assured of a decisive victory. But, when events south of the border began to spiral into crisis, Bush’s lead shrank and the election was thrown into doubt.

Bush’s running mate, Senator Dan Quayle of Indiana, had been selected more for his youth than for his intelligence. This became embarrassingly evident at the vice-presidential debate on October 5, when, after being asked how he would deal with the Mexican situation if called on to serve as President, Quayle responded that he would “go into a close cooperation with President Sevillas” (referring to Mexican President-elect Carlos Salinas) to combat the “rebels and radicals” that had shaken up Mexico City. Democratic vice-presidential candidate Lloyd Bentsen swiftly pounced on Quayle, pointing out the mistake and arguing that it proved Quayle was oblivious to world events. Though Republicans emphasized that Bush himself had vast foreign policy experience, some voters became nervous about putting a man as ill-informed as Quayle so close to the Presidency.

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“How do you expect to negotiate with President Salinas, Senator,” Bentsen asked his gaffe-prone opponent, “when you can’t even call him by his name?”

In addition to botching Salinas’s name, Quayle was chastised for seemingly taking the side of the Mexican government over that of the protesters. It was well-known by this point that the PRI had fraudulently robbed Cárdenas of victory, and most Americans sympathized with the Mexican civilians who were protesting the fraud. Yet, here was Quayle calling them “rebels and radicals” and promising to help repress them if he became President, drawing heavy criticism from Dukakis’s campaign. Vice President Bush managed to deflect much of the heat in the second presidential debate on October 13, toeing a moderate line by lending his “moral support” to the protesters while claiming that the most important thing was to restore order and stability by backing the PRI government. Bush was widely seen as having won the debate, using the burgeoning Mexican crisis to flaunt his foreign policy prowess in front of the inexperienced Dukakis. Still, Quayle’s (and, by extension, Bush’s) credibility had been dented.

Shortly after the presidential debate, President Reagan announced that he had agreed to loan Mexico $2.6 billion, drawing criticism from Democrats for his failure to consult Congress about the bailout. But this issue was rapidly overshadowed by the sudden economic downturn. Days after Mexico’s petroleum workers went on strike, gas prices shot up by over forty cents a gallon, slashing consumer confidence and aggregate demand as shopping trips and family vacations were canceled. The oil shock pushed the economy into a sudden decline which, as election day neared, was growing increasingly steep and showed no signs of slowing down, forming the beginning of what economists now refer to as the Late 1980s Recession. When election day came on November 8, the same pollsters who had predicted a safe Bush victory one month before no longer felt particularly comfortable predicting anything.

By the next morning, it was clear that Bush had won, albeit by a narrow margin. The historical consensus is that Michael Dukakis was simply not a compelling enough candidate to woo enough voters away from Bush. If Dukakis had gone on the offensive in the last month of the campaign, attacking Reagan’s administration for supporting the authoritarian PRI and creating the necessary conditions for economic uncertainty, he may well have had a chance at victory. But, instead, he hung back while Bush deftly handled these true October surprises [1]. Bush’s 2.5% margin of victory in the popular vote was narrow, but he had secured a conclusive majority of 97 in the electoral college [2], and while the Democrats had slightly increased their majorities in the House and Senate, the Presidency would remain in Republican hands for another four years.

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The United States wasn’t the only North American country to hold an election in November of 1988. On November 21, just thirteen days after George Bush was elected President of the United States, Canada would go to the polls to deliver a verdict on the four-year premiership of Prime Minister Brian Mulroney.

In the 1984 federal election, Mulroney had led his Progressive Conservative Party to a landslide victory, winning the largest parliamentary majority in Canadian history. Mulroney did not want to compromise this majority with another election, but the Canadian Senate refused ratify Mulroney’s historic Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement (FTA) without a fresh mandate. So, in September of 1988, Parliament was dissolved and a new federal election was declared.

The election campaign was initially dominated by the single issue of free trade. John Turner, leader of the opposition Liberal Party and former Prime Minister, led a fiery campaign against the FTA, vowing to “tear it up” if he ever became Prime Minister again. This stance won Turner an early lead in the polls as most Canadians did not support free trade with the United States; Mulroney recognized this problem, but hoped that the center-left New Democratic Party (which was also opposed to the FTA) would split the anti-free trade vote and allow the Progressive Conservatives to retain their majority. Following the advice of pundit Allan Gregg, Mulroney decided to fight the election by attacking Turner’s credibility, criticizing him for decisions made during his brief stint as Prime Minister and his contentious leadership elections. This, combined with a $6 million pro-FTA advertising campaign, swung the lead to the Tories in October, seemingly assuring them of victory.

And then, the economy began to sputter. The Mexican oil workers’ strike in mid-October did not have an exorbitant direct effect on Canada, as Canada’s high domestic petroleum production managed to keep prices at the pump from rising by more than fourteen cents in most places. But, by November, as America’s economy tumbled, it became increasingly clear that Canada was being dragged down by its southern neighbor. While George Bush had had the advantage of being elected before it became obvious that a recession was coming, by late November, the economy had been in decline for long enough to convince many Canadians that difficult times lay ahead. This gave Turner and Broadbent the perfect opportunity to blame Progressive Conservative policies for the downturn, arguing that Canada would have been less vulnerable to American market fluctuations if not for Mulroney’s gradual lessening of trade restrictions with the U.S. To combat this, Mulroney doubled down on the personal attacks on Turner, but this only drew criticism for trying to distract the public from the serious issues. By the time Canadians went to the polls on November 21, free trade had become highly unpopular, and only the prospect of an even split between the Liberals and the NDP comforted Mulroney on that stressful night.

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The result was a Tory landslide—in Alberta, at least. The bump in gas prices was good news for the province’s bustling petroleum industry, and the Progressive Conservatives retained all twenty of the province's federal ridings. Outside of Alberta, though, it was a bad day for Mulroney: the Tories held only 134 seats, losing 65 ridings and, with them, their majority. The Liberals, meanwhile, increased their representation from 38 to 109 seats, a very large profit but still not enough to form a majority government. Fortunately for Turner, the NDP enjoyed a 20-seat gain from 32 to 52 seats (Broadbent’s moderate socialist agenda attracting increased support in times of looming economic uncertainty), more than enough seats to form a coalition government with the Liberals. Talks between the two parties began the day after the election, and on December 10, John Turner returned to Sussex Drive for his second term as Prime Minister. [3]

Shortly after the new Parliament sat, Mulroney resigned as party leader. The PC backbench lambasted Mulroney for squandering the largest electoral majority in Canadian history, blaming him for his failure to retain the support of the diverse alliance of interest groups that had delivered a landslide in 1984. The Progressive Conservative Party set out to find a leader who could unite those blocs once more into a winning coalition, and after a heated leadership contest, the party settled on moderate Quebec nationalist Marcel Masse, the former Minister for Energy. Though he had only first been elected to the House of Commons in 1984, Masse’s anti-free trade credentials were strong, and he had a bedrock of support in his native Québec (which had seen a significant swing against the Tories in the election but which, PC leaders believed, could still be a promising groundswell of PC support in future elections). As 1989 dawned, Prime Minister Turner was faced with the gloomy task of abandoning the FTA, and thus damaging relations with one of Canada's largest trading partners just as a recession dawned.
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[1] lord caedus, where u at?
[2] In OTL, Dukakis only won 10 states and 111 electoral votes. Here, Bush's margin of victory is reduced by over 5%, enough to swing California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Vermont (all of which went to Bush by narrow margins in OTL) to Dukakis, almost doubling his electoral vote total to 220. It's not enough to win him the election, but it's something.
[3] In OTL, the PCs retained 169 seats, the Liberals were left with 83, and the NDP with 43. Mulroney kept his majority and stayed on as Prime Minister. Here, his luck is worse and he is voted out.
 
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Poor John Turner--he can't catch a break in any TL when he becomes PM (being voted out IOTL, becoming prime minister in Blue Skies in Camelot after Pierre Trudeau is murdered by the Manson family (1), and now having to deal with the events of TTL)…

No "You're no Jack Kennedy." moment ITTL? A shame; that was an awesome takedown and makes me wish the Democratic ticket had been reversed. At least the Democrats are in a bit of a stronger position vis a vis Congress...

(1) Read that TL for more info; BTW, Turner appears to be doing a good job in that TL as Canadian PM--so far...
 
Nice to see John Turner win 1988. Masse is a fascinating choice there, a moderate Quebec nationalist - that should keep Quebec at least in the Tory column for at least one more cycle - with Turner probably leading it into the next election, it should probably easily remain there for some time then.
 
Of course Quayle makes a gaffe, lol. Most presidencies change hands after a two termer, so H.W. winning is a big deal. Narrow margin is expected, but good on Bush. However, I highly doubt it'll be a kinder, gentler time.
Dukakis was incompetent, and the recession would likely have happened regardless of what Reagan did. Had he did not loan the money, then the peso would have collapsed anyway.
Saddam Hussein should take notice. He will probably be able to get away with much more

All in all, you nailed the US election. I'll defer the canadian election to the posters from there
 
Excellent update @Roberto El Rey.
Just a comment, I don't think Bush got 485 million votes in the wikibox.

Interesting to see how NAFTA goes now that Liberals are back in power in Canada with their anti free trade campaign and the turmoil in Mexico.
 
Yeah, even without the Willy Horton ad, Dukakis was never a winning candidate. Too boring, and too ineffective.

But its likely Bush Sr. will face even worse economy then he did. If he ends up breaking his pledge of no new taxes, he'll face even more opposition from the rightward shifting GOP.
 
Yeah, even without the Willy Horton ad, Dukakis was never a winning candidate. Too boring, and too ineffective.

But its likely Bush Sr. will face even worse economy then he did. If he ends up breaking his pledge of no new taxes, he'll face even more opposition from the rightward shifting GOP.
He'd be a fool to raise taxes during a major recession. The key is finding economic partners to offset Mexico
 
Oil is a pretty big damn domino. Once that falls, things are really going to hell.

What does Reagan-Bush think of Cardenas? Are they staying out of this, or are they worried about how he could threaten American interests?
Reagan and Bush are, at heart, little-d democrats, and are uncomfortable with the knowledge that the PRI stole the election. Still, they know that it is far more in the interests of the United States to have de la Madrid's faction of the PRI in power, because it means that loans gets paid back, terms of trade are favorable and American businesses south of the border (of which there was an ample amount even before NAFTA, especially in border regions) perform better. Cardenas is a wild card, and if he gets in power then the U.S. political establishment can kiss any sort of free trade deal goodbye for the time being. That being said, the American public (as illustrated in this last update) is broadly supportive of the protesters, respecting their democratic spirit if not necessarily their methods. So Bush can't be too vocal about supporting the PRI, and when he does mention it he must qualify it by pointing out that he's only trying to keep order in an increasingly volatile country.

It'll probably be enough to secure things till the November election, but Reagan is probably putting feelers out to other nations to pick up the slack in trade in case Mexico collapses. My pick is Brazil.

An interesting collateral casualty to the Mexican Revolution would be Cuba. They send so much money to the leftists that they go bankrupt (like the French during the American Revolution). They start cracking down on their population leading to civil unrest and a US-led liberation force overthrowing the castros. Food for thought :)
Seems unlikely, cuban money in latin american politics has been greatly exagerated and its soviet money anyway.
He'd be a fool to raise taxes during a major recession. The key is finding economic partners to offset Mexico
Yes, Bush will be hard-pressed to find trading partners to fill the massive hole left by Mexican petroleum, as well as other manufactured goods. But hey, he's a foreign policy guy. If he does a good job he may prevent TTL's recession from getting much worse than OTL, and it'll be seen as a major credit to his presidency.

As for an invasion of Cuba, I don't have such plans but Cuba will become involved in the Revolution, as many have guessed.

Poor John Turner--he can't catch a break in any TL when he becomes PM (being voted out IOTL, becoming prime minister in Blue Skies in Camelot after Pierre Trudeau is murdered by the Manson family (1), and now having to deal with the events of TTL)…

Pierre Trudeau getting killed by the Mansons? Damn, that's something I'd expect from @Gentleman Biaggi’s warped mind, not Lincoln’s.
No "You're no Jack Kennedy." moment ITTL? A shame; that was an awesome takedown and makes me wish the Democratic ticket had been reversed. At least the Democrats are in a bit of a stronger position vis a vis Congress...
Sadly, no, but “President Sevillas” is still a funny (if not as punchy) of a moment. I wouldn’t have minded Bentsen/Dukakis either, but history is what history is.

Nice to see John Turner win 1988. Masse is a fascinating choice there, a moderate Quebec nationalist - that should keep Quebec at least in the Tory column for at least one more cycle - with Turner probably leading it into the next election, it should probably easily remain there for some time then.
Yep, I’m going to be having some fun with Canadian politics in this TL. A lack of Mulroney will have certain effects on the Canadian party system going into the '90s. Keep an eye out for one Jean Chrétien, his political career will be taking some interesting turns in the near future.

Of course Quayle makes a gaffe, lol. Most presidencies change hands after a two termer, so H.W. winning is a big deal. Narrow margin is expected, but good on Bush. However, I highly doubt it'll be a kinder, gentler time.
Dukakis was incompetent, and the recession would likely have happened regardless of what Reagan did. Had he did not loan the money, then the peso would have collapsed anyway.
Saddam Hussein should take notice. He will probably be able to get away with much more

All in all, you nailed the US election. I'll defer the canadian election to the posters from there

Thank you! You are right that either Bush or Dukakis would have had a tough time dealing with events south of the border, and Reagan wouldn't been able to change much. As for your Saddam Hussein point...well, you'll see.;)

Excellent update @Roberto El Rey.
Just a comment, I don't think Bush got 485 million votes in the wikibox.
Good update, though I read that Bush got 485 million votes and immediately wondered if the PRI had run the US election too.
Oh boy, good catch. I'll fix that! XD

Yeah, even without the Willy Horton ad, Dukakis was never a winning candidate. Too boring, and too ineffective.

But its likely Bush Sr. will face even worse economy then he did. If he ends up breaking his pledge of no new taxes, he'll face even more opposition from the rightward shifting GOP.
He'd be a fool to raise taxes during a major recession. The key is finding economic partners to offset Mexico
I have little doubt he can do that, but trying to play conservative with a Democratic congress will be harder with a worse recession.
Hey, it's only a worse recession if Bush makes it one, and he'll certainly do his best not to make it one.
 
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@President_Lincoln's Blue Skies in Camelot TL is actually quite good, IMO (here's a link to it in case you haven't read it yet: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...n-camelot-an-alternate-60s-and-beyond.431559/) and I hope it wins a Turtledove...

Good updates and waiting for more...
I've been sporadically reading bits of it, but I haven't yet gotten properly started on it. I hear it's really good, and with NSS out of the running, I imagine it's a shoo-in for this year's Turtledove. I also hear it's very positive in tone, which is something I think is lacking in modern AH (and is also the reason that this timeline will not be pure grimdark and will have its positives as well as its negatives). I actually posted on the "Camelot" thread a month or two ago to nitpick one of Lincoln's updates about Mexico :rolleyes:...hopefully he's forgiven me for that!
 
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Reagan and Bush are, at heart, little-d democrats, and are uncomfortable with the knowledge that the PRI stole the election. Still, they know that it is far more in the interests of the United States to have de la Madrid's faction of the PRI in power, because it means that loans gets paid back, terms of trade are favorable and American businesses south of the border (of which there was an ample amount even before NAFTA, especially in border regions) perform better. Cardenas is a wild card, and if he gets in power then the U.S. political establishment can kiss any sort of free trade deal goodbye for the time being. That being said, the American public (as illustrated in this last update) is broadly supportive of the protesters, respecting their democratic spirit if not necessarily their methods. So Bush can't be too vocal about supporting the PRI, and when he does mention it he must qualify it by pointing out that he's only trying to keep order in an increasingly volatile country.

In other words, they are struggling between their freedom-loving 'Murican ideals, the cold-hearted interests of their financial backers, and the pragmatic need to maintain order when the situation down south is going to hell.

It will be interesting to see if they can come up with a solution to all three.
 
I also hear it's very positive in tone, which is something I think is lacking in modern AH (and is also the reason that this timeline will not be pure grimdark and will have its positives as well as its negatives)
Pierre Trudeau getting killed by the Mansons? Damn, that's something I'd expect from @Gentleman Biaggi’s warped mind, not Lincoln’s.
I feel slightly attacked
Also I'm not "warped" I'm "innovative"
 
In other words, they are struggling between their freedom-loving 'Murican ideals, the cold-hearted interests of their financial backers, and the pragmatic need to maintain order when the situation down south is going to hell.

It will be interesting to see if they can come up with a solution to all three.
It won’t so much be a matter of “they”, since Ronnie is leaving in a month. Bush will be going it alone, though not without the occasional call to his predecessor.
 
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