I mean in the colonial period and good part of the 19 century, the canadian economy is a later product.
Al Grito de Guerra: the Second Mexican Revolution
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Ah ok.
Though, I was referring to Latin America's economic troubles in the 20th century also.
Well, the bases of latin american economies were set in the 19 century, in favor of raw resources exporters there wasnt and still ist any productive national bourgeoisie that could support national industry. Is just natural resources oligarchs that feel threatened by industry and trade unions.
It's kinda like a U.S. territory, you know, like Guam or PR, but less important
This is Red England:
P.S. Canada is more influenced by Scotland in many ways than England, so your joke works better if you called it Red Scotland. Sorry if I came across too nitpicky, but that's my personal opinion based on Canadian culture.
Nah its ok, it was just a joke about the flag and "Cannada is Finland".This is Red England:
P.S. Canada is more influenced by Scotland in many ways than England, so your joke works better if you called it Red Scotland. Sorry if I came across too nitpicky, but that's my personal opinion based on Canadian culture.
This is Red England:
P.S. Canada is more influenced by Scotland in many ways than England, so your joke works better if you called it Red Scotland. Sorry if I came across too nitpicky, but that's my personal opinion based on Canadian culture.
I’m glad that my timeline is inspiring such thought-provoking discussion, but if you are interested in discussing this at length, I only ask that you start a separate thread for it. I don’t think this the right place for an argument about Peronism and 19th century economic history followed by a contest to see who can find the reddest image.
If Cárdenas had been shot during his speech, well.....there would have been a whole lot of Los Pinos Massacres, I can tell you that much.
As for where he is at this point ITTL: the public hasn’t been told this, but after he broke down at the end of his speech on September 15, he was taken to his home and placed under what amounts to house arrest. The government has been hoping to use Cárdenas to quell the violence by having him publicly retract his call to arms, but so far they’ve had no success—he’s slunk back into an abyss of mourning for his wife and isn’t much in the mood to say anything to anyone. They don’t want to imprison him because they want him to cooperate of his own accord, and because if they sit him down in front of a TV camera to denounce the rebels while showing clear signs of physical abuse, it’ll only make things worse.
Yes, it was positively huge. According to a manual published by the UNAM’s statistics department in 1988, the student body was 260,394 that year, making it by far the largest university in Latin America.
I refer to my previous comment:
The PAN’s specific reaction will be covered in detail in the next update. Basically, they are in an excellent position at the moment. All they really have to do right now is sit back as the PRI and Cardenistas each damage their own public image and reputation before Mexico and before the United States, as Gonzo points out. I have much in store for Clouthier himself as well.
The possibility of a “Rio Grande Republic”, outlandish though it may be, will be very real and frightening to certain highly-placed individuals in the near future of TTL.
The Zapatista rebellion actually started on the same day that NAFTA went into effect, so the unique economic effects of the trade agreement itself were irrelevant in causing the rebellion because they hadn't happened yet. It was more Salinas's and de la Madrid's general domestic agenda of neoliberalism and deregulation that led to the rebellion, and they both are President in this timeline, so their agenda will still be implemented throughout the country and the same forces of resentment will be unleashed.
I honestly haven't done enough research into 2010s Mexico to be able to answer that with certainty. They certainly do more—while the autodefenseas are largely a civil defense group whose main service is the dispensation of force as and where needed. The Zapatistas are essentially an alternative government, providing (or trying to provide) many of the same services that a government provides. I imagine that the Zapatistas have had a strong effect on the cultural identity of Native Mexicans living in Chiapas, which the autodefensas certainly don't do.
I'm glad you've picked up a little on that. This Revolution will involve death and atrocities, and it certainly won't be nice or pretty. But I don't have it in me to create an original dystopia. I'm not yet prepared to say that the Revolution itself will "go well" per se, but this will not be a doom-and-gloom timeline and Mexico will most certainly not be terribly screwed over by the end of it.
Now that I can promise you all!
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Guessing not prospering …
Super excited for it!
There are too few 20th century Mexico TL's here.
Wow, I did not know that about the university. You learn something new every day
The Government would be retarded to kill or even disappear Cardenas. If word gets out, immediate nationwide riots. House arrest is oddly tempered for de la Madrid
The Government would be retarded to kill or even disappear Cardenas. If word gets out, immediate nationwide riots. House arrest is oddly tempered for de la Madrid
As PRI presidents go, de la Madrid was far from the worst. He only invades the UNAM and imposes martial law ITTL because he believes (not unfoundedly) that doing so is the only way to prevent recession. Overall, de la Madrid is trying to project an image of a firm and decisive government but not a cruel one. Not only would killing Cárdenas be stupid politically, it would also be a reprehensible crime more befitting the Congo than Mexico. “Disappearing” him would be a similarly bad idea because, as stated before, Cárdenas might one day be useful in putting an end to the violence. I see house arrest as a fitting way to deal with a man whom the government isn’t even really trying to punish, it just knows he could be dangerous and wants to keep a lid on him for the time being.Wow, I did not know that about the university. You learn something new every day
The Government would be retarded to kill or even disappear Cardenas. If word gets out, immediate nationwide riots. House arrest is oddly tempered for de la Madrid
