Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War
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According to Wikipedia, his OTL running mate was Georgia governor Herschel Vespasian Johnson. He served as a Senator in the Confederate Senate.
TTL things are already very different, including general attitudes. For the starter, Blacks are way more active and recognized in the frontline ITTL.
I wonder how Orion Clemens' career will develop ITTL? Perhaps, if he's successful enough, he might inspire his younger brother Samuel to go to politics as well...
Mark Twain not only had an older brother......
but his name was ORION?!
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An interesting possibility not many have considered is the possibility of the Black community being permanently divided along class and color lines. I know colorism still exists, but ultimately the racism and violence of the White South forced the educated mulatto elite and the poor freedmen to close ranks in the hopes of obtaining any recognition of their rights. A more successful reconstruction could result, ironically enough, in a more divided Black community. In special, the gens de couleur of New Orlens may survive as a completely separate group, with a different identity and concerns.
I can see Republicans following plans like this one. After all, most of them were Whiggish advocates of internal improvements. A really interesting possibility. Thanks for sharing!
Do you have any more information about this? I have never heard of this event!
I actually never considered that since Douglas was so wounded by Lecompton that he basically ran a feeble campaign without any opportunities to win. I think he likely tried to get a Southerner to boost his campaign, but they were more reluctant to back him because he's the breakaway now. Instead he had to settle for a no-name Border State unionist, something that probably didn't help his case of being the only national candidate.
Plot twist: Mark Twain died in the guerrilla war when some marauders, angered by his attempt to desert from the Confederate army, murdered him.
(Just joking, I wouldn't dare).
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I don't think the "Gens De Couleur Libres" could really survive if TTL, anglicization still occurs in Louisiana.
As more Anglo people migrated to Louisiana, a lot of French-culture got suppressed.
That's why Cajuns were forced into the underground until late in the 20th century.
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I really appreciate that you are posting every once in a while if only to say "on hiatus, back as soon as I can". Thank you for doing that!
I think you were technically allowed to run without one back then, I think Van Buren did in 1840. If he did it might have been nicely symbolic of his thoughts that only he could unite the country and he couldn't even find a running mate who could. And perhaps symbolize for voters that he really didn't stand a chance even if elected.
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Perhaps not in the long run, but they could play an important part in Reconstruction if the Union does away with rebels and accepts Black suffrage. They would be the natural leaders of the Black community in that scenario, and the fact that many radical newspapers were published in French by them could assure greater influence that could be felt well into the 20th century.
You're welcome! That's my main objective, really. I know the frustration of an author just disappearing without saying anything, and wanted to reassure all of you.We all realize that you gotta take care of real life first (even if we are a little impatient sometimes ...)
I really appreciate that you are posting every once in a while if only to say "on hiatus, back as soon as I can". Thank you for doing that!
Maybe, but I still think Douglas would have frantically looked for any Southerner to be his running mate in a vain attempt to paint himself as the national candidate.
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From what I understand he died sometime after the war. Like Twain he had worked on Steamboats and on his boat their was an accident resulting in the boiler exploding. Orion survived the initial catastrophe but was horrifically scalded and ended up dying after days of agony.
Twain always blamed himself for his brother's death.
Or I could be thinking of the wrong brother and Orion was the one who ended up getting a pretty good civil servant job in the government of the territory of Nevada.