TL: The War of Dogger Bank, or the Anglo-Russian War- Version 1 DISCONTINUED

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The War of Dogger Bank
aka the Anglo-Russian War


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Hello potential reader! I have always been fascinated with how Britain almost went to war with Russia over the Dogger Bank Incident, and I've finally gotten round to writing a TL about this scenario. I hope you like it!



The Anglo-Russian War

Prelude to Dogger Bank

The Battle of Dogger Bank

The War of Dogger Bank

The May Revolution/ The Revolution of 1905

The Russian Constitution and the Civil War



The Franco-German War

The Crisis of 1905 and the Franco-German War

The Treaty of Brussels

The Socialist Republic of France


Map of World 1906


The Road to Slaughter

The Anglo-German Naval Race

Democracy in the East


Oriental Troubles
 
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Prelude to Dogger Bank
Prelude to Dogger Bank


For seven months now, Russia had been at war with Japan. Contrary to predictions, the Russians were being defeated in a series of land and naval battles in the Far East. Japan had trounced the Russians in the Battle of Yalu River, and the Russian Pacific Fleet had been thoroughly defeated in the Battle of the Yellow Sea.

With the front in Manchuria close to collapse, and perhaps encouraged by his cousin Kaiser Wilhelm II, Tsar Nicholas ordered the formation of the Second Pacific Squadron, under Admiral Zinovy Rozhestvensky, to overwhelm the Imperial Japanese Navy and delay the Japanese advance until Russian reinforcements could arrive in Manchuria. Formed from five divisions of the Russian Baltic Fleet, the Second Pacific Squadron consisted of:

- 8 battleships (the Knyaz Surovov, Imperator Aleksander II, Borodino, Oryol, Oslyabya, Sissoi Veliky, Navarin, Imperator Nikolai I)

- 3 coastal battleships (the General Admiral Graf Apraksin, Admiral Seniavin, Admiral Ushakov)

- 8 cruisers (the Admiral Nakhimov, Dmitrii Donskoi, Vladimir Monomakh, Zhemchug, Izumrud, Oleg, Aurora, Svetlana)

- 9 Destroyers (Byedovy, Buiny, Bravy, Buistry, Blestyashchy, Bezuprechny, Bodry, Gromky, Grozny)

It set sail on the 15 of October 1904, with the destination of the blockaded Port Arthur. However, the fleets voyage through the Baltic Sea was met with calamity as several ships in the squadron fired on Swedish fishing boats after mistaking them for Japanese torpedo boats. The Second Pacific Squadron entered the North Sea in the early morning of 20 October.

Meanwhile, Great Britain was watching Japans victories with great approval. Besides from being allied with the Empire in the east, Great Britain was in a phase of extreme Russo phobia. During the 19th Century and indeed the beginning of the 20th century, Great Britain had immense fear that Russia had ambitions on India, Britain’s Crown Jewel, and relations between Britain and Russia had steadily deteriorated following the advent of the Russo-Japanese War.

Perhaps noting this, (historians still debate on his true intentions), Vice Admiral Lord Charles Beresford, commander of the British Channel Fleet, began conducting regular training exercises and patrols in the Channel and the North Sea. By some stroke of chance, the entire Channel Fleet was patrolling the North Sea approximately 100 kilometres north of Holland on the 20 October. The entire fleet was on patrol, which consisted of:

- 13 battleships (the Albemarle, Albion, Caesar, Cornwallis, Duncan, Exmouth, Glory, Jupiter, Montagu, Prince George, Russell, Swiftsure, Triumph)

- 5 Cruisers (the Dido, Juno, Topaze, Patrol, Sapphire)

- 24 Destroyers (the Flirt, Kestrel, Peterel, Recruit, Thorn, Tiger, Vigilant, Wizard, Gala, Greyhound, Mermaid, Racehorse, Ribble, Roebuck, Teviot, Wolf, Blackwater, Express, Kennet, Leopard, Osprey, Ostrich, Vixen, Waveney)

On the morning of the 21, a dense fog blanketed the North Sea. Near Dogger Bank, the lead battleship of the Second Pacific Squadron, the Oryol, sighted a shape in the fog towards the south. The Oryol immediately opened fire, scoring few hits as most of their shots went wide. Allegedly, the Russians thought they were firing upon a Japanese Cruiser, but in reality it was the British Cruiser Sapphire, which was patrolling at the fringe of the British fleet. Radioing for help, the Sapphire attempted to disengage but an unlucky Russian shot hit the engine room, reducing the Sapphire to half speed. Responding to the Sapphires radio for help, several British cruisers joined the fight, by which time the rest of the Russian fleet had caught up to the Oryol.

Hearing of an attack by an unidentified hostile fleet, Beresford ordered his battleships north, and just as the fog lifted, the two battle fleets collided.
 
Imagine MUCH wiser advisors for the Kaiser and his taking that advice. He gets close to Britain and encourages its traditional hostility to France
 
Well you just destroyed all of France hopes of a Entente with this.

Japan won't have Tsushima, but it would still be a Asian power beating a European power for the first time.
 
The War of Dogger Bank
aka the Anglo-Russian War


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Hello potential reader! I have always been fascinated with how Britain almost went to war with Russia over the Dogger Bank Incident, and I've finally gotten round to writing a TL about this scenario. I hope you like it!



The Anglo-Russian War

Prelude to Dogger Bank
So have I. I did an outline for a scenario for the Doctor Who RPG (AiTaS) with this very premise.
FYI there was a discussion on this board about the Dogger Bank debacle here which may have useful information.


ETA: I notice your OOB doesn't include the ill-fated (perhaps cursed) repair ship/transport Kamchatka which caused so many of the fleet's problems,
 
Well you just destroyed all of France hopes of a Entente with this.
The big problem for France is it's alliance with Russia: while not included in the treaty there will be enormous pressure for France to act to assist Russia if the latter is attacked by two other powers.
So either an early version of WW1 begins with Britain & Japan v Russia & France, with the US selling to everyone and profiteering and Germany laughing, or France loses it's main ally..


Also, @WarlordGandhi will the Grafton Affair (wiki) be more successful in this timeline? It's one of my favourite historical oddities.
 
This looks like it will be a lot of fun, so very certainly followed!
Thanks!
Imagine MUCH wiser advisors for the Kaiser and his taking that advice. He gets close to Britain and encourages its traditional hostility to France
:D
Well you just destroyed all of France hopes of a Entente with this.

Japan won't have Tsushima, but it would still be a Asian power beating a European power for the first time.
Wait and see!
So have I. I did an outline for a scenario for the Doctor Who RPG (AiTaS) with this very premise.
FYI there was a discussion on this board about the Dogger Bank debacle here which may have useful information.


ETA: I notice your OOB doesn't include the ill-fated (perhaps cursed) repair ship/transport Kamchatka which caused so many of the fleet's problems,
Ah nice, I've been trying to find threads on this topic!
I did not include transports/other ships in the OOB as they wont actually be in the battle
The big problem for France is it's alliance with Russia: while not included in the treaty there will be enormous pressure for France to act to assist Russia if the latter is attacked by two other powers.
So either an early version of WW1 begins with Britain & Japan v Russia & France, with the US selling to everyone and profiteering and Germany laughing, or France loses it's main ally..


Also, @WarlordGandhi will the Grafton Affair (wiki) be more successful in this timeline? It's one of my favourite historical oddities.
Maybe, maybe not!
I hope the Russians know how to swim
I hope so as well:p
 

hipper

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On the morning of the 21, a dense fog blanketed the North Sea. Near Dogger Bank, the lead battleship of the Second Pacific Squadron, the Oryol, sighted a shape in the fog towards the south. The Oryol immediately opened fire, scoring few hits as most of their shots went wide. Allegedly, the Russians thought they were firing upon a Japanese Cruiser, but in reality it was the British Cruiser Sapphire, which was patrolling at the fringe of the British fleet. Radioing for help, the Sapphire attempted to disengage but an unlucky Russian shot hit the engine room, reducing the Sapphire to half speed. Responding to the Sapphires radio for help, several British cruisers joined the fight, by which time the rest of the Russian fleet had caught up to the Oryol.

Hearing of an attack by an unidentified hostile fleet, Beresford ordered his battleships north, and just as the fog lifted, the two battle fleets collided.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Sapphire would have radio in 1905
 

hipper

Banned
On the morning of the 21, a dense fog blanketed the North Sea. Near Dogger Bank, the lead battleship of the Second Pacific Squadron, the Oryol, sighted a shape in the fog towards the south. The Oryol immediately opened fire, scoring few hits as most of their shots went wide. Allegedly, the Russians thought they were firing upon a Japanese Cruiser, but in reality it was the British Cruiser Sapphire, which was patrolling at the fringe of the British fleet. Radioing for help, the Sapphire attempted to disengage but an unlucky Russian shot hit the engine room, reducing the Sapphire to half speed. Responding to the Sapphires radio for help, several British cruisers joined the fight, by which time the rest of the Russian fleet had caught up to the Oryol.

Hearing of an attack by an unidentified hostile fleet, Beresford ordered his battleships north, and just as the fog lifted, the two battle fleets collided.

I don't think Sapphire would have radio in 1905[/QUOTE]

Oops my error it might indeed
 
I don't know if it would have radio, but I think that the sound of gunfire should carry far enough to make the Brits investigate.
I couldnt find anywhere that said which ships in the channel fleet had radio in 1904, but since the Sapphire was a rear admiral ship, I thought it was pretty likely
This is a good point, and one that was discussed in prior threads.
According to Friedman and the HMS Collingwood museum website (a classic of 1990s web design) from 1905 it was RN policy for all ships above destroyer size to be fitted with W/T equipment, with smaller ships being considered for such installations and all new construction destroyers being fitted for radio.

Interestingly the latter confirms (in the PDF scans of contemporary documents) that HMS Sapphire did indeed have a Morse W/T installation. It was attached to Portland (replacing HMS Vernon [the floating one]) and was used for radio trials in the 1904-5 period. It's entirely possible that the vessel was at sea conducting wireless trials when it encountered the Russian ships. UK geography isn't my area, but it seems likely that the problem with a radio message would be the receiving station, of which there were relatively few at the time.
That said the apparatus on Sapphire was probably the same as that fitted to HMS Vernon, which regularly achieved a range of 285 (nautical?) miles over land and sea at around 280/350kHz.

Hope this helps.
 
Aaaw. The Kamchatka was historically the main reason for the "battle", with a bad mix of trigger happy and incompetent crew, a drunk captain and poor machinery
Although the Kamchatka won't be in this battle, it will make an appearance in a later update;)
This is a good point, and one that was discussed in prior threads.
According to Friedman and the HMS Collingwood museum website (a classic of 1990s web design) from 1905 it was RN policy for all ships above destroyer size to be fitted with W/T equipment, with smaller ships being considered for such installations and all new construction destroyers being fitted for radio.

Interestingly the latter confirms (in the PDF scans of contemporary documents) that HMS Sapphire did indeed have a Morse W/T installation. It was attached to Portland (replacing HMS Vernon [the floating one]) and was used for radio trials in the 1904-5 period. It's entirely possible that the vessel was at sea conducting wireless trials when it encountered the Russian ships. UK geography isn't my area, but it seems likely that the problem with a radio message would be the receiving station, of which there were relatively few at the time.
That said the apparatus on Sapphire was probably the same as that fitted to HMS Vernon, which regularly achieved a range of 285 (nautical?) miles over land and sea at around 280/350kHz.

Hope this helps.
It does help thanks a lot!
I've been waiting for some to do a tl of this piece of history for a while thank you very much.
You are very welcome! :D
 
The Battle of Dogger Bank
Well this was a hard update to write! I hope you guys like it!

The Battle of Dogger Bank


At 0950 hours, the fog lifted, exposing in great shock to the Russians that they were greatly out gunned and out number. Attempting to flee, Rozhestvensky on the Borodino gave order to turn his battleships around. Unfortunately for him, however, his order was misinterpreted by the Battleships Oryol and Navarin, who instead kept firing at the British cruisers.

The British, utilising their superior speed, presented their broadside to the enemy, who were now identified as Russians, and the Cornwallis, Duncan and Russell unleased broadsides against the Oryol, while the Albermarle, Caesar, Jupiter and Triumph targeted the Navarin.

Within minutes, the Oryol was sinking, having exploded from a direct hit to its magazine, while the Navarin was on fire. By now, Rozhestvensky was panicking and ordered all ships to disengage. However, there ships were much slower than the British, whose battleships were picking of ships one by one. A torpedo run by several British destroyers crippled the Imperator Aleksander II and the Oslyaba, while the Knyaz Surovov and the Sissoi Veliky were left dead in the water and sinking. The Borodino, however, met her fate fighting. By some miracle, her sporadic firing penetrated the magazine of the Swiftsure, and destroyed it, before exploding after another torpedo run by destroyers, taking Rozhestvensky with her.

By the time the fog set in again at 1740 hours, the Russians had virtually been annihilated. Only the Imperator Nikolai I, as well as two destroyers were able to flee back towards the Baltic. However, in securing such a victory, Beresford had lost the battleship Swiftsure as well as the cruiser Sapphire and several destroyers.

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The newspapers in Britain that evening shouted of a criminal attack by the warmongering Russians. Crowds took to the streets in front of Parliament, demanding war with the Russians, while in Parliament debated on whether to go to war with the Russian Empire. Panicking, the Tsar (upon recommendation from his advisors) made an offer that included vague compensation and reparations, however, the debate in parliament raged on for another week. All those in opposition to the war were silenced, when there was news of the shelling of Hartlepool by the Russian ship Kamchatka, who had appeared to have slipped past the battle unscathed. Allegedly avenging its fallen comrades, the drunken captain of the Kamchatka had shelled the sea side town four times before slipping away into the night. 7 civilians were killed, plus several injured, which only increased the public outrage against the Russians.

The day after the Hartlepool incident (2 November 1904), parliament officially rejected the Russian offer and announced that a state of war now existed between Great Britain and the Russian Empire. Furious, the Tsar fired all of his advisors (crucially including the chairman of the ministers Sergei Witte). The Anglo-Russian War had just begun.
 
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