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The Anglo-German Naval Race
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The Anglo-German Naval Race


Although Kaiser Wilhelm II had expressed his wish for a navy to challenge Great Britain’s, Germany’s naval program only really kicked off after the Anglo-Russian War, and the Brussels peace talks, where it was apparent that despite Germanys overwhelming superiority in its armed forces, she was severely outmatched by Britain’s control of the waves.

As such, during 1906, Germany began embarking on a massive ship building program designed to bring Germanys navy to the size of Britain’s. With the advent of the new Dreadnought and Battlecruiser class ships, Germany heavily invested into its Kaiserliche Marine and Britain, responding to the minimal losses sustained during its war with Russia and the German hostility, devoted massive funds into its navy. Great Britain and Germany built the following ships over the next several years;

Dreadnoughts Great Britain Germany

1906 1 0

1907 3 0

1908 2 3

1909 3 4

1910 4 3

1911 5 1

1912 5 2

1913 5 3

1914 4 5

1915 5 4

1916 6 4

1917 6 5

Total 49 34





Dreadnought Battlecruisers Great Britain Germany

1906 0 0

1907 3 0

1908 1 1

1909 1 1

1910 2 3

1911 2 0

1912 1 0

1913 1 0

1914 2 1

1915 2 2

1916 3 2

1917 1 2

Total 19 12





The German naval program was not without its obstacles however. A minor recession in Germany’s economy suspended ship building during 1911-1912. Also, although it came close, the Germany’s naval program would not break the British superiority of the seas. Finally, perhaps worse of all, funds for the naval program were siphoned from the military, as the Kaiser believed that the army was invincible as it was, and that it would not need to fight a war with the destabilised French and Russians for a long time. As a result, while the navy got the funds it needed, the army was largely neglected by the time war came once again to the European continent.
 
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I find the shipbuilding programme unlikely, to put it mildly. If Germany is roughly matching UK in Dreadnought construction from 1906, there is going to be big problems long before you get to 1917. If Willy has made it clear he wants to match the RN, Britain is not going to sit idly by and let him try.
 
I find the shipbuilding programme unlikely, to put it mildly. If Germany is roughly matching UK in Dreadnought construction from 1906, there is going to be big problems long before you get to 1917. If Willy has made it clear he wants to match the RN, Britain is not going to sit idly by and let him try.
Yeah on second thought I think the British would have managed to build a lot more ships. I'll make an edit.
 
It's still going to result in UK being seriously pissed off with Germany. More so than in OTL. Germany is the dominant power on the Continent (which Britain really doesn't like anyone being in that position). Germany has picked up a few colonies in strategic positions that can interfere with British trade. And now Germany is trying to challenge British Naval superiority.

However many armed camps there are, and whoever might be in which one, it's pretty clear that Britain and Germany are not going to be on the same team.

I think we can look to some fairly ostentatious moves by Britain in terms of exercises in the North Sea to practise Copenhagening techniques.

The other thing you might want to consider is manpower for the German fleet. It's got roughly 50 capital ships, which along with the escorts and stuff, is a pretty large requirement for skilled mariners. Manning is going to be a major issue. Britain has a higher manpower requirement, but doesn't have the drain of a large army, and has a longer naval tradition to draw upon.
 
It's still going to result in UK being seriously pissed off with Germany. More so than in OTL. Germany is the dominant power on the Continent (which Britain really doesn't like anyone being in that position). Germany has picked up a few colonies in strategic positions that can interfere with British trade. And now Germany is trying to challenge British Naval superiority.

However many armed camps there are, and whoever might be in which one, it's pretty clear that Britain and Germany are not going to be on the same team.<snip>
Unless the Russians go nuts, rebuild, embrace world conquest and unleash the Slavic Hordes on a mission of bringing all Europe (And Then The World) under their control.
 
I'm curious to see if France will also build a large navy or they will focus their effort only on the army. And don't forget their smaller population! The difference between the two country was already huge by 1914.
 
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The Treaty of Brussels
- France is to cede Longwy-Briey to Germany.
- The rest of French Lorraine is to be demilitarise
- France is to accept full responsibility for the war
- Morocco is to retain independence
- France is to cede French Cameroon, Gabon, French Congo and Madagascar to Germany
- Indochina is to be split between Great Britain, Germany and Japan
- France is to pay the sum of 800 million pounds to Germany
Along with other clauses.

If Germany really wanted to twist France's tail, one of the 'other clauses' might have compelled France to offer some/all of her Caribbean possessions for sale to the US.
 
Any updates soon?

A few remarks: Just started to read that book by Politovsky.

Interesting remarks about that Spain is very poor, because they are very lazy people, dependent on England etc.
Also, interesting what a lack of intelligence ( in every way ) on the Japanese. I mean, expecting attack from the Japanese in the Baltic Sea!? WTF? Also, what a level of paranoia... Japanese spies everywhere...
 
Democracy of the East
Any updates soon?

Here it is!
My apologies for the lack of updates, school has been a real pain :p
As always, all feedback is appreciated!

Democracy of the East

After their victory against the Russians in the Russo-Japanese War, the Japanese enjoyed a period of prosperity. Their expansion plans were largely fulfilled, especially after gaining part of Indochina during the Treaty of Brussels and the Japanese could now fuel their growing economy with an abundance of resources.

It was during this period that Japan began transitioning into a parliamentary democracy. Much to the despair of the nation, Emperor Meiji had died of diabetes and nephritis in 1909, but his son, Yoshihito, became Emperor and declared that his reign would be Taishō (great righteousness)

Despite keeping away from the public, the Taishō Emperor would continue the reforms of his father, limiting the powers of the Genro and the Kazoku, while expanding the powers of the Imperial Diet. Before long, universal voting was implemented, while the Imperial Diet began discussing foreign matters, and not just domestic policy.

This change was of course met with resistance by the Genro and the Kazoku, who in 1911, seeing where the wind was blowing, attempted an assassination on the Emperor. This failed and the public turned firmly against any remaining Genro and Kazoku who were mostly imprisoned or isolated from politics.

By 1917, Japan had become a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, and Emperor Taishō was only happy to become a figurehead with Osachi Hamaguchi as Prime Minister. One party grew to dominate Japanese politics; Rikken Minseitō, the Constitutional Democratic Party which fully supported the Parliamentary system and advocated for a passive conciliatory foreign policy while maintaining the alliance with Great Britain. Under Rikken Minseitō, focus was placed on the integration of Korea, Formosa and Manchuria into the Japanese nation. Japanese settlers flooded into Korea and Manchuria, infrastructure was built in all three regions, and the Japanese government began extended more control to these areas. It wouldn’t be long until Manchuria, Korea and Formosa would become part of Japan proper.


Japanese history isn't my strong point so if I've made any mistakes, again the feedback would be greatly appreciated!:extremelyhappy:
 
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I think you mean Genro rather than Daimyo ;)

Otherwise...democratic Japan is always good. Hopefully sufficiently democratic that things aren't as bad as OTL for Korea...
 
It's not just the genro, you have to target the kazoku too.
If I remembered correctly, it was the kazoku that controlled most of political institutions in Japan back then.
 
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