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Or the Germans lose patience and cover Siberia with Thermonuclear bombs.
That works too.
America will not be pleased on that. The Chinese too
America yes, but given what has happened, China will be all too happy with the annihilation of Russia as a state. The real problem depends on whether or not the Germans go after them due to the whole “Ural frontier to stop a Communist Asiatic Horde” thing.
 
Should Russians start invading pre-war German-held territory (like Moscow and everything west), nukes WILL rain until Free Russia glows in the dark everywhere.

Nazis might show a bit of restraint with nukes (restraint meaning : not just using them immediately on every Russian target) for political and diplomatical reasons. But the moment they truly feel threatened, gloves are off.
 
Should Russians start invading pre-war German-held territory (like Moscow and everything west), nukes WILL rain until Free Russia glows in the dark everywhere.

Nazis might show a bit of restraint with nukes (restraint meaning : not just using them immediately on every Russian target) for political and diplomatical reasons. But the moment they truly feel threatened, gloves are off.
That's the problem. Russia needs to create some kind of mass scale deterrence. Chemical weapons? Biological weapons? Dirty bombs? Maybe they could create a nuke themselves (unlikely) or get one from the US?

A more amenable avenue would've been getting a nuke from the British, similar to how Israel probably got one from the French during the Cold War.
 
That's the problem. Russia needs to create some kind of mass scale deterrence. Chemical weapons? Biological weapons? Dirty bombs? Maybe they could create a nuke themselves (unlikely) or get one from the US?

A more amenable avenue would've been getting a nuke from the British, similar to how Israel probably got one from the French during the Cold War.
The Russians have both Chemical and Biological weapons, and considering the technicalities of Generalplan Ost, a little flu in Ukraine can end up becoming an European pandemic. But they won't be firing at fellow "Slavic" peoples, the weapons would be limited against the Reich just as it was when the Japanese pulled this trick in San Diego.

The Russians do have a nuclear program, the question is if they actually have the bomb and if the US can even do anything if the situation gets desperate enough for them to use it.
 
the nazis are actually too crazy to be stopped by nuclear weapons, all that prevented the third world war was the death of Hitler, not nuclear weapons
 
the nazis are actually too crazy to be stopped by nuclear weapons, all that prevented the third world war was the death of Hitler, not nuclear weapons
And the only one crazy enough to actually attack a Nuclear power head on and fight to the end is Mao "Kill half of us and we still outnumber you" Zedong.

All while the rest of the world will be the definition of that meme of Willem Dafoe looking up the sky.
 
Currently I am debating if it is better for Huey Long to live or die, anyone wishes to join that?
Kill him. Kill him NAOW.

Of course, his death is not an assurance things will "go back to how they were",
True, but it will fracture his party, and hopefully prevent another single overwhelming personality being so dominant. If we're gonna not have a democracy, an oligarchy is often better than a personality-cult dictatorship.
 
Kill him. Kill him NAOW.


True, but it will fracture his party, and hopefully prevent another single overwhelming personality being so dominant. If we're gonna not have a democracy, an oligarchy is often better than a personality-cult dictatorship.
Lyndon Baynes Johnson: Bonjour!
 
And the only one crazy enough to actually attack a Nuclear power head on and fight to the end is Mao "Kill half of us and we still outnumber you" Zedong
I remembered a video I saw in Youtube about sino-soviet war and the video presented an unhinged USSR carpet nuking all of China in the opening days of war until their retreat. And yes, China still fights USSR despite its heavy losses.

If somehow Germany conquered all of Russia and stupidly attacks Maoist China, I see a situation like this.
 
I remembered a video I saw in Youtube about sino-soviet war and the video presented an unhinged USSR carpet nuking all of China in the opening days of war until their retreat. And yes, China still fights USSR despite its heavy losses.

If somehow Germany conquered all of Russia and stupidly attacks Maoist China, I see a situation like this.
For that matter, does China have a deterrent ? Such as intercontinental chemical or bioweapons ?
 
But as you said, there's more than just LBJ in the party. Can LBJ really mimic Long's success at being such a single dominant personality? Historically, cult of personality leaders don't tend to be followed by personalities nearly as strong.
There is one figure who can obviously pick up on Long's cult, his son and Louisiana Senator Russell Long. The thing is that his surname is really the one thing carrying him on the dispute with LBJ. Johnson is in the best position to take over the party because he was an amazing backroom politician (he is the guy who got several southerners to actually vote for a Civil Rights act) and it isn't like he isn't one who can't use an assassination because real life shows he can. He can show up with a cowboy Texan bully style and play as a strong man against the Washington Establishment to the crowds, a figure more imposing, although less charismatic, than Long.

There are southern governors like Sid McMath and George Wallace who can play the charismatic Populist, Sid can play up his previous tenure as Secretary of the interior and sweep over the rural areas with his prestige. Wallace (who still didn't go into race baiting as he did not lose his first race this time) can play the Southern gentleman and win over crowds. And of course there are populist figures from the West Coast and the Ohio Valley but the Populist Party's structure heavily favors the rise of any of these four. If they are able to prevent the party from splintering then they WILL carry the White House through the wave of sympathy from the assassination and take over that same apparatus although each one has a different vision.

Of course that's all if the "War Chest" isn't discovered, the corrupt scheme where Long was able to extort money and get donations from both the Federal government and his allies to finance political campaigns isn't discovered. Or the way he turned the FBI into his own tool to spy on the American people and find subtle ways to blackmail, threaten, bribe and even sometimes murder opponents. Or how he used his war on the Establishment only to crack down on his rivals biggest donors and weaponizing the Supreme Court to crack down on the Gerrymandering of Republican and Democrat districts.

Your point stands that LBJ would really face a challenge to become THE face of the Populists, especially with Russell Long and George Wallace being able to carry crowds better than him. But it is undeniable that he is the man of the Party in the backrooms and the one with the best connections.

Of course, Long can always survive this and we see his Long reign continue.
 
Your point stands that LBJ would really face a challenge to become THE face of the Populists, especially with Russell Long and George Wallace being able to carry crowds better than him. But it is undeniable that he is the man of the Party in the backrooms and the one with the best connections.
The Backrooms - Wikipedia
 
Here is a Prologue of what is to come in America between 1956 and 1959 so we can catch on to the Ural War!​


Douglas Edwards, in his years working for Columbia Broadcast, has never announced an event as important as this one. He had to behave professionally, his voice could not show the fear he had for what was a task he did not envy, keeping his hands steady on the desk. He was seated on the studio, rushed out of the peaceful environment that the break room was that afternoon. He had arrived earlier, before introducing the Evening News, he was only chattering with his co-workers over a cup of coffee when suddenly the telephone lines were overloaded all across the country. Everything felt surreal when the break was interrupted by a whirlwind, he had to pick himself up and go to present an emergency broadcast immediately, the President had just been shot in Chicago and some sources claimed it was fatal, others claimed he was already dead, some said it was on the head, others said he was shot on the leg or the chest. The only thing they all had in common is that Huey Long had been shot on his way out of the City Hall by an unknown assaliant that was being taken away as they spoke. Combing his hair was needed to look presentable and so he did on the way to the chair, at least this did not happen during morning News otherwise, he suspected, Cronkite would take the lead with this one. But now it was not the time to think of his co-workers, or even Sara, if she did not know already then she was going to be bursting her heart once she knew. Edwards was far from a Longist, he thought he spoke too much like a communist, but Sara was won over by that man as if he was her lover!

"Good Afternoon, now it is the Fiftieth hour and twenty minutes local time of the Nineteenth of May, 1956, we have received confirmed reports from Chicago that President Huey Long has been shot at and rushed to a hospital, The Secret Service has apprehended the attacker and taken him under custody, we still await for confirmation of the President's health status and pray for his best recovery."

This had to do, he could not say if he was alive or dead, they did not know. Usually Edwards was always on the forefront, heck he should have been in Chicago, with the elections approaching how come they did not have anyone following Huey around? Hopefully they would get more updated news from their correspondents and sources in Chicago, he knew that for the next hours he would be the one to announce to over 40 million Americans that their President could be dead or could have just been grazed. This was not the first time that he had been shot either but one can only wonder if twenty years aged him gracefully or his body could not resist anymore. The camera cut and he was surprised at how steady his hands could remain, especially when he had just given the greatest news report in his life, yes he did and that was dawning on him now, he would be getting an Emmy at last if tonight was big enough, and if there is any occasion where it could be big then this was it.

Miles away, in the White House, George Smith Patton had no idea if he was still Vice-President or if he was about to receive yet another promotion and become President. God knew this country needed a more decisive leader now, the Krauts burning churches! The Commies taking Daegu in Korea! Long was not a man who could deliver them the punching they needed, everything Patton said seemed to go through a filter in that man's earwax and he took half measures with what he was told. But damnit, he did not want the man to die, he was still the President and whoever was the bastard who shot a sitting President of the United States just made the security detail look like buffoons. Hess and his scum would be having a laugh in Germania if they even knew how to smile, whoever was responsible for this humiliation had to pay for it. Patton was receiving news as quickly as they came on Long's health, he knew how men being shot in the field were like, and thats with young men who were at their peak, Huey was not in the age of taking bullets and living to tell the story. Apparently he was rushed to the hospital still conscious and he was being put under surgery, from there onwards it was up to God. For now the General had to think of who WOULDN'T want to assassinate Long in an electoral year, that was easier to think than listing suspects. Krauts? They weren't that stupid, most of times, if they were killing the POTUS as part of a coordinated attack there would have been signs of increased U-Boat activity along the coast and the rockets would be firing now. The commies? They should have loved Huey for all he knew but even that Cajun wouldn't call himself a red and that was enough for these scum, he had seen first hand how Communists could kill one another at the millions for the slightest of differences as if their theory books were the Bible itself! Mayhaps someone from the inside, but who?

"Sir, the President's surgery has removed the bullet, it has bounced on his ribs, but his recovery will still take time as they found sharpnel on his back."

That tough bastard would live, Patton grinned to himself and dismissed the man, these wounds were survivable, but he would be out for a while from the field to recover. He took a puff from a Cigar and entered the Oval office, walking around it and yet not sitting on the chair. Patton could be an ambitious man, he could be brash, he could be rude, he could be stubborn, he could be proud, but he was no mutineer, he was not the President, only the Acting President, he would stay in his own office and run affairs from there, but it does not mean he couldn't take a strool that night on his superior's office. He could sit on the chair, nobody would see or bat an eye, but this chair was cursed, over these last years he had seen a complete loaf, a suicidal old man, a raving southern lunatic, and a man who was now in a hospital bed all sitting in there while the country had it's heights and lows. Sometimes he wondered if Mac would have been better in that seat than them, sure the man was a stubborn moron but he was a military man, he knew how to show strength and if it was up to him they would be raising the star spangled banner over that decrept monument in Germania and spitting on Hitler's corpse, they had the power at the time and did not use it, how many would end up dead because they did not kill the monster when he was weak? Maybe it was not too late now and he could do something about it, even if not a direct war, in his precious little days in charge, he could give a reminder to the world that America was still a damn power and not a pushover.
 
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No bioweapons or chemical weapons mentioned in the video. But if you are the only major power that is communist, you have to begin stockpiling all kinds of weapons probably.
Especially when the Third Reich exists, is a superpower, thinks your entire country is made of subhumans "hordes" which need to be contained and tamed, and is led by madmen who can have random "bright" ideas at any moment...
 
Currently I am debating if it is better for Huey Long to live or die, anyone wishes to join that?
Kill Long,If the fool lives he will not help Russia and the fall of Russia might start an snowball effect.How long will Britain will oppose Germany if USA is not willing to defend an ally from german agression,how long till the british public and politicians decide that is better to improve relations and secure trade with germany.The Germans are willing to improve relations and open to trade while the americans are isolationist and unwiling to help allies.

Honestly if the american president is unwilling to do anything about nazi influence, an military coup is preferable than allow an idiotic leadership in charge.
 
Huey Long's "Here I stand" Speech
June 5th, 1956


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"My dear Americans, I am afraid due to medical impediments I cannot stay for long so I shall be brief. I must thank the medical team and those who cared for me in these hard weeks, above all I thank God for granting me the opportunity to do much more with my life. When I was shot twenty years ago, I remember praying to the creator that I live longer, so I could do more, so I could give more. That mercy was granted once and it was granted again this last month. I feared for my life, as any human does, even Christ himself sweat blood on the night before his judgment, I feared that this could be the end and America would be mourning. There were many who wanted me to quit, I ran two terms, they said, I gave America far more than was expected of me and I had earned a retirement back in my home in Louisiana. A third term? So many asked me why to continue this effort, why I continue to put myself as a target of slander and bullets. I wondered that myself, I was waiving off from deciding to run again until that day. In this time I realized what is at stake, Americans, it is no secret that I anger many, those in power who have been shaken and broken, great giants like the Rockefellers and Fords all around have done everything to bring me down long before I was even in Politics back in my home. The Democrats and Republicans for a century have controlled the politics of the country, playing us off one another while on the background they party together, while they are paid by the same corrupt bosses, while they play the same dirty tricks, there are very little differences between them. I was a threat to those who play off the people against one another, blacks and whites, silver and gold, dry and wet, liberal and conservative, they made labels for us to forget our common roots as Americans, picking up teams and distracting us with politics while they exploited us.

I was one of the many who was exploited, who was deluded, I used to call myself a Democrat, I used to give myself labels and think politics was about who sits in the White House and does magic to help the people. But when I got to Congress I realized that they were all alike, I saw a congress bribed, I saw a Callous White House who cared little for the people who put them in there. George Washington and the Founders have created a nation with all liberty and opportunity a man needed, but this dream was taken from us along the way by the wealthy, who created an establishment who used Tyranny that would make men like Samuel Adams, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson faint in horror at what they created. America was being crushed, which is why I joined politics, which is why I wanted to break this engine who crushed the common man under the tyranny of the wealthy. I reject socialism, those ideals are inherently against the American Spirit, their system crushes the individual. I reject Nazism and their autocracy, of believing a race above others and a leader above them all. I rejected the establishment, the corruption and bargaining that for so long has crushed the common American. Which is why I became their target, because once I was in the White House I was able to do something about it. We have crushed the Monopolies like Roosevelt, we have crushed the Aristocrats like Lincoln and freed the American people, we crushed the Financial system and the debt slavery like Jackson. No more would you spend your life working for a meager of the gains of your boss, now you have the money to prosper by yourself, to be your own boss, to raise your children in this beautiful God-given land. No more do you have to fear that a burn would make you broke in medical bills you could not afford. No more you have to fear your children will go through your difficulties, now they have studies, now they have transportation, teachers, schools, meals, they have a brighter future that we could never have.

That is why I became a target, my dear Americans. I represented to them the rise of you, I was to them this brighter future where we no longer have to toil for them. I repeat, we are not socialists, if you create a company and grow thanks to the Lord's blessings, it is your right to enjoy the fruit of your sweat. But just because you are cooking the meat, doesn't mean you get to keep the barbecue, just because you own the company does not mean you must keep your workers down! The greatness of America is that we are such a wealthy and free land that any man can grow, but if we have the strong crushing the weak, if we have the few smashing the many, then we are no better than those men in jackboots who trample on freedom! Because how can you be free if you must work day and night and still struggle to feed yourself? How can you be free if you must beg for scraps because you were laid off after losing a finger on a machine? How can you be free when you are taxed to the last penny while the wealthy never get to pay their due? I fought for freedom far more than any of those who accuse me, because they speak of the freedom on papers, but I speak of the freedom of reality, I speak of the freedom which you truly need to enjoy the other freedoms! That is why they slander me day and night, that is why they use their corrupt system against me and others of my mind, that is why they attack my family and now they finally resorted to attacking with bullets!

But here I stand before you, the Common men and women of America, the people who build this country, the people who toil day and night and are finally receiving their due! I stand here to tell you that they want to turn back the clock, they want to turn back to the time where they could divide us, weaken us, enoying all their benefits and priviledges while our meager rights and liberties are crushed under Corrpution and Monopolies! But I am here to announce that I will not let them do that while I breathe! They break the law, so the law will come for them, they fight against Justice so Justice will fight back, they fight dirty but we will fight clean and show them that just like our forefathers we will not give up on our Freedom! I will run for a Third Term because the country needs me, I will sacrifice again my health, I will sacrifice my life if I must, but I will fight for you! They are weakening, they are desperate, resorting to breaking the minimum decency of respecting someone's life, this may not be the last time they try it, but I will not let fear stop me from this fight as God is my witness! Thank you for your prayers, thank you for your vigils, thank you for your support, and let us give these Tyrants the Justice they deserve!"

 
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