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Why is the US cold?
The US Gangsters were heavy in the middle east otl for good business reason. Even with the fall of the ottoman empire's economic apparatus, the economic profit was great. With the empire surviving, the economic temptations are a little too high, leading to gangsters of the us being caught on ottoman soil for smuggling leading to cold relations
 
I think that an unexpected advantage of the alliance treaty with UK could be the possibility to expand trade to the British Raj and British Burma.

And, same as uighurs, the rakhine question could be raised, but in far better terms for everyone.
 
The US Gangsters were heavy in the middle east otl for good business reason. Even with the fall of the ottoman empire's economic apparatus, the economic profit was great. With the empire surviving, the economic temptations are a little too high, leading to gangsters of the us being caught on ottoman soil for smuggling leading to cold relations
Especially since US gangsters know politicans on the local and state level, who can cause some pressure for Washington.

And if they're not charged or anything by US courts, then it looks like legit businessmen being persecuted....
 
The US Gangsters were heavy in the middle east otl for good business reason. Even with the fall of the ottoman empire's economic apparatus, the economic profit was great. With the empire surviving, the economic temptations are a little too high, leading to gangsters of the us being caught on ottoman soil for smuggling leading to cold relations
Especially since US gangsters know politicans on the local and state level, who can cause some pressure for Washington.

And if they're not charged or anything by US courts, then it looks like legit businessmen being persecuted....
I wonder if there's a group of Congressmen at this point which regularly directs venomous diatribes towards the Ottoman Empire specifically, pointing to their close relations with Britain, substantial oil reserves and "anti-Christian" faith?
 
France is caught in an interesting position- the alliance with Russia was key to their victory in the Great War, but they also can't afford to alienate Britain. Especially after the carnage of the Great War, the French know there is no longer any prospect of defending their overseas empire from Britain. That empire is far more important strategically, economically and culturally to the French than the German empire was to the Germans. However, while Germany is a great deal weaker than it was before the war, France still can't afford the risk of war on its eastern border either.

Paris has to find a way to disentangle itself from the risk of getting caught up in a Anglo-Russian war, while signalling to the Russians that it would still support them in a conflict with a continental power.

In the worst case, Russia ends up fighting both the British and the Germans- in which case the only course open to France is heavily armed neutrality.
 
I think that an unexpected advantage of the alliance treaty with UK could be the possibility to expand trade to the British Raj and British Burma.

And, same as uighurs, the rakhine question could be raised, but in far better terms for everyone.
The Rakhine question will be a hard one to answer really
 
Especially since US gangsters know politicans on the local and state level, who can cause some pressure for Washington.

And if they're not charged or anything by US courts, then it looks like legit businessmen being persecuted....
indeed, which is the largest problem in ottoman-american relations at the moment
 
I wonder if there's a group of Congressmen at this point which regularly directs venomous diatribes towards the Ottoman Empire specifically, pointing to their close relations with Britain, substantial oil reserves and "anti-Christian" faith?
there will be more than a few orientalist congressmen that will go into diatribes against the ottomans that's for sure
 
France is caught in an interesting position- the alliance with Russia was key to their victory in the Great War, but they also can't afford to alienate Britain. Especially after the carnage of the Great War, the French know there is no longer any prospect of defending their overseas empire from Britain. That empire is far more important strategically, economically and culturally to the French than the German empire was to the Germans. However, while Germany is a great deal weaker than it was before the war, France still can't afford the risk of war on its eastern border either.

Paris has to find a way to disentangle itself from the risk of getting caught up in a Anglo-Russian war, while signalling to the Russians that it would still support them in a conflict with a continental power.

In the worst case, Russia ends up fighting both the British and the Germans- in which case the only course open to France is heavily armed neutrality.
Indeed, France is in a very bad diplomatic conundrum at the moment. They do not wish to antagonize either St. Petersburg or London
 
Why would the rest of the word accept that, the auto industry would beg London and Washington to do something (IE send in the marines)
Nah. The Auto industry only really boomed in the late 20s, and the Brazilians got away for overpricing their rubber by decreasing their coffee prices.
 
Major Fortifications of the Ottoman Empire
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