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Is there any chance based on Ciano's personality, that he would be able to gather enough support to enforce the rationalization of Italian industry? As an example bringing in German production and assembly managers to review and "advise" on efficiency improvements at major arms manufacturers? Fiat? Caproni? Etc.?
Oh German managers will turn up eventually and they will be every bit as interested in massaging the figures to look good as Speer was in OTL. In terms of making a practical difference? Not so much. Ciano being less bombastic will probably help a bit as whatever professionals are left in the military will have more influence on which equipment gets prioritized rather than Mussolini picking whichever one he liked the look of.
 
Is there any chance based on Ciano's personality, that he would be able to gather enough support to enforce the rationalization of Italian industry? As an example bringing in German production and assembly managers to review and "advise" on efficiency improvements at major arms manufacturers? Fiat? Caproni? Etc.?
Honestly, he has far too much on his plate to bother. Everything will be focused on trying to stop Germany invading or try and repel them if they try.
 
What I was wondering if Mussolini's death could be used to promote "Mussolini's Legacy of a Strong and Independent Italy" to re-asses what had been done noting "what could have been done better" and then making some of those key changes to make a more effective industry than existed OTL. Bottom Line is recognizing that a stronger Italy is more likely to keep Germany out of Italy, it seems like a great investment on the part of all Italian nationists. Just as an example, in exchange for the handover of the raw materials, request as a reciprocal gift the provision of the blueprints for the Panzer IV to create the "Mussolini Tank"....and the Me109 for the "Il Duce" fighter. To deny such a request would make the Germans look very bad politically.
 

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What I was wondering if Mussolini's death could be used to promote "Mussolini's Legacy of a Strong and Independent Italy" to re-asses what had been done noting "what could have been done better" and then making some of those key changes to make a more effective industry than existed OTL. Bottom Line is recognizing that a stronger Italy is more likely to keep Germany out of Italy, it seems like a great investment on the part of all Italian nationists. Just as an example, in exchange for the handover of the raw materials, request as a reciprocal gift the provision of the blueprints for the Panzer IV to create the "Mussolini Tank"....and the Me109 for the "Il Duce" fighter. To deny such a request would make the Germans look very bad politically.
Much of this makes sense, problem is that Ciano is not entirely the master of his own house in Italy.
 
19th July – 10th August 1942 – A Death in Rome – Part II – The Knife Edge

One of the few people who seemed genuinely horrified, and even grief stricken, by the death of Mussolini was Adolf Hitler. Whether this was the result of some genuine attachment to Il Duce or anxiety that he might also be targeted by treacherous elements in the Axis is difficult to be sure of, especially given Hitler’s increasingly unstable mental state and escalating drug dependence. Publicly Hitler was full of fury, blaming the murder on the usual suspects, Jews, and Communists, though conspicuously not pointing the finger at the Allies, perhaps feeling that such accusations might backfire by implying the British and Americans might backfire, implying the Allies were operating a network of agents even in one of the capitals of the Axis. That the authorities in Rome so swiftly put the blame on a mentally unstable Blackshirt with a personal vendetta speaks volume about the different priorities in the two regimes, though the Ciano government hastily amended these initial reports so as not to appear to be contradicting Hitler, helping to sow the confusion and conspiracy theories that were already flourishing [1].

Given that there were genuine anxieties about some larger plot it was considered unwise for Hitler to travel to Rome for the funeral, not only was security for Hitler in Rome an issue but there were concerns that if there was some conspiracy afoot that reached into Berlin his absence might encourage them to act. The reality was that at this time plans to remove Hitler and end the war existed only as the unspoken desires of those who had been against Hitler practically since he came to power, and they would not take on any concrete for many more months. There was also the fact Case Blue was now in full swing and Hitler was reluctant to take his eye off the details of the evolving battle even for a few days. After some discussion it was decided that the Reich would be represented by Goering and von Ribbentrop. Goering was far from happy about being away from Berlin either, though he could hardly demur given it was a direct command from the Fuhrer. He was also aware that this trip was about more than just paying respects to Mussolini, which would have been awkward for Goering regardless as he had precisely none for the Italian dictator, it was a crucial opportunity to take the measure of the new Italian government and its commitment to continuing the war [2].

Count Ciano was keenly aware of the larger purpose of the German delegation and having to deal with them so soon put Italy’s situation in the summer of 1942 into sharp relief. The war had been an unmitigated disaster for Italy. Its overseas empire was gone and there was little prospect of it being restored even if the war could be settled on terms short of an Axis surrender, an outright victory being seen as nothing but a hopeless fantasy in Rome. This gloom about future prospects was deepened as the British were already making effusive promises about the future of Ethiopia, in no small part as a reaction to the rumbling discontent over their treatment of Greece that still occasionally surfaced even in mid-1942. The Ethiopians had allied themselves with the British and the British wanted to make it clear that they would help such allies wherever they could. In practice such commitments would be difficult to deal with as once the Italians were gone not everyone in Ethiopia was happy about the return of the emperor, which was no comfort to the Italians in 1942 [3].

Greece and the Balkans were the one area where Italy could argue that they had enjoyed some success, if acquiring control of hostile populations who required large and expensive garrisons to maintain order and lands that had little to offer in the way of resources could be considered a success. The rising strength of the partisan movements in Greece and Yugoslavia, who were being aided by the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) and the American Office of Special Services (OSS), was a constant drain on Italian manpower and the morale of the armed forces. RAF and FAA aircraft operating out of ‘Fortress Crete’ had all but closed Greek ports to Italian shipping, with the first operational Monarch Barracuda squadrons being ‘blooded’ in the attacks on Italian shipping trying to hug the coast as they moved south. Moving supplies overland was fraught owing to poor infrastructure and the aforementioned partisans. The Mediterranean was to all intents and purposes a British lake, the only other warships that dared operate there were those belonging to the Free French, who were doing their best to make their presence felt in the interests of bolstering De Gaulle’s desire for France to be treated as a full ally with a say in the future conduct of the war. On top of this the Italians were expecting an Allied attack somewhere in the Mediterranean or the Balkans, at best an assault on Corsica or Sardinia. At worst they would invade Sicily and what price the survival of the Fascist regime then?

All of this provided excellent reasons for Italy to seek an exit from the war on any terms short of Allied occupation. After all Italy did not occupy the same tier of existential threat the Third Reich did, and the demise of Mussolini could be spun by Ciano as a clear sign that Italy was willing to turn against the Axis cause, which was another reason to muddy the waters about the events surrounding Mussolini’s death. This did not mean that Ciano was willing to embrace the idea of an exit strategy even in private. The prospect of German occupation at the first sign of Italy showing signs of losing faith in the Axis was the obvious reason to eschew an otherwise sensible course of action. If the Germans decided Italy was unreliable it would suffer the same fate as Vichy France, at best, and this in turn might encourage an Allied invasion regardless of what else they might be planning, turning Italy into a battleground. Also, it must be remembered that no one in Rome had suddenly been converted to the cause of freedom and democracy, some were acutely aware their power and position rested on the continuation of the Fascist regime, and it still seemed in mid-1942 that the renewed German offensive in the USSR might succeed, especially considering the rapid advances the Wehrmacht was making towards the Caucasus at the height of the summer. If the USSR did capitulate it might force the Western Allies to reconsider the continuation of the war, or at the very least end any talk of unconditional surrender, not yet adopted as the official policy of the Western Allies. It was a slender hope but so long as it persisted, and Italy’s northern defences were so thin, Ciano had no choice but to do his best to reassure Goering of Italy’s intentions to prosecute the war even more vigorously than it had under Mussolini [4].

The means of doing so involved both offering more Italian troops to take part in Case Blue and a ‘tribute’ of raw materials for the German industry. There had been rumours that Mussolini had been hoarding certain critical resources, including fuel, since war broke out and Ciano now ‘founds’ this hoard and offered the lion’s share of it to the Germans [5]. Ciano placed this attempt at bribery alongside a shopping list of manufactured goods that the Italians needed to modernize their military, with aeroengines being top of the list, alongside technical assistance with producing a new generation of Italian tanks and aircraft. In effect he was offering to bolster the German war effort and persuade them that he was in earnest about modernizing the Italian war machine, while making it clear it was unlikely his country could do so in the near future without aid he suspected would not be forthcoming. It was a delicate balancing act, but in what was undoubtedly his greatest diplomatic achievement Ciano successfully forestalled German intervention. Goering was more than happy to return from Rome with some practical benefits from his visit, while having no intention of delivering on any of Italy’s requirements, barring some technical assistance, and this apparent generosity was inspired by the desire to find out if there was anything the Italians had in development that might be ‘borrowed’ by the Wehrmacht, however unlikely that might seem [6].

This outcome was what Ciano had expected, and he fully intended to draw the reinforcements for Germany from the ranks of the Blackshirts, while other Italian army units would be redeployed from the Balkans to Italy, ostensibly to potentially to act as reserves for a successful Case Blue, in actuality as part of a move to start shoring up defences on the northern border, while removing elements who might object to a more rational foreign policy, if the opportunity arose for one. The major unknown in Italian calculations was how would the Allies react to the death of Mussolini?

The answer to that question was a subject of heated debate between Washington and London. To summarize the viewpoints; on the one side were those who felt that the death of Mussolini made Italy ripe for invasion and rapid capitulation, on the other were those who felt it removed the already questionable rationale for an invasion of Italy altogether and allowed for prioritization of a landing in France. Churchill was firmly in the former camp, while Roosevelt was almost as firmly in the latter. The fundamental difference was that Roosevelt had almost unanimous support for his position in Washington, while there were plenty of dissenters in London who opposed Churchill’s scheme.

The death of Mussolini brought a rare moment of unanimity between the Germany First and Japan First factions in Washington, both seeing an opportunity to strengthen their hands. Eliminating dubious plans for an assault on Italy would allow an uninterrupted build up for an invasion of Northwest Europe while allowing an increased allocation of men and equipment to the Pacific, a win-win scenario for both camps. There had been considerable political pressure in Washington for an offensive operation in the Pacific, especially in the light of the fresh British victory during Operation Yari and Operation Watchtower, the invasion of Guadalcanal, was already scheduled for late July [7]. There was now vigorous lobbying for further plans to be made to continue operations beyond Guadalcanal sooner rather than later. The confident view in Washington was that either Italy would descend into civil war, rendering it irrelevant. Even in the absence of civil war it would inevitably be occupied by the Germans, ending any notion of Italy as a soft target as the Wehrmacht was correctly viewed as a very different proposition from the Italian armed forces. Such a diversion of German resources would also weaken their defences in Western Europe, increasing the likelihood of a landing in France being successful.

In London Alanbrooke opposed the invasion of the Italian mainland for slightly different reasons, though he would not have argued against the ideas prevalent in Washington. Alanbrooke and his senior subordinates took the view that the removal of Mussolini would strengthen Italy’s defensive capabilities rather than weaken them. General O’Connor, hero of the Libyan Campaign, opined that, ‘Mussolini was worth an entire corps to the 8th Army’. Without Mussolini’s endless interference in the organization of the Italian armed forces they could be a far more formidable force and the Imperial General Staff knew that whatever the public perception of them there were plenty of highly capable Italian troops who would doggedly resist any Allied invasion. If one were going to face a dogged defence, likely bolstered by strong Wehrmacht forces, would it not be better to face them while liberating an ally and opening a far more direct route to Berlin? [8]

Any concept of an invasion of the Balkans received even less support. Even those such as Anthony Eden who were unhappy about the British treatment of the Greeks in 1941 had little enthusiasm for any attempt to liberate them by mounting an invasion. He was persuaded that the shortest route to liberating Athens lay in having an Allied army march into Berlin. With lukewarm support at best from his cabinet and military advisors, and Roosevelt’s resolute stance against an invasion of mainland Italy Churchill chose to concede gracefully in the interest of the Anglo-American alliance. This decision would do nothing to calm Ciano’s anxieties as while an actual invasion was no longer on the cards the threat of one formed a large part of Allied deception plans in the build up to Operation Millennium. Ciano would at least be able to use the threat of invasion to explain the construction of extensive defences in Italy, under the bombastic claim that, ‘Italy would fight all the way to the Alps against a foreign invader’. That those lines of defence would work just as well retreating from the line of the Alps was carefully ignored in Italian propaganda. Ciano’s ministry was doing its best to put together a coherent strategy to protect Italy from its enemies, and its allies. It was not his fault that other saw things differently and began to meddle in ways that invited catastrophe [9].

[1] Chaos, confusion, and deliberate obfuscation, hardly surprising ‘who really killed Mussolini?’ turned into a cottage industry.

[2] In essence the Nazis need to decide if Ciano can be trusted to run Italy or if they need to take direct control, which is a headache they don’t need ATM.

[3] No the British couldn’t have saved Greece, no that hasn’t stopped various elements complaining about it, so Ethiopia is chance to make some good PR.

[4] Ciano has little option but to double down at this point since he can’t count on much actual support from the other senior figures in Rome.

[5] When the Germans occupied Italy IOTL they were astounded, and aggravated, to find that despite pleading poverty Mussolini had been squirreling away vital war materiel.

[6] The Italians did have some solid designs, some of which made it into service, but far too late to do anything about the terrible reputation of Italian tanks and aircraft.

[7] Watchtower will kick off a couple of weeks earlier than OTL, given the weaker Japanese position and end of operations in North Africa, of course other plans in Europe and the Med mean the Pacific First supporters aren’t going to get all they want, just that but more than OTL.

[8] Yes, we are heading for D-Day 1943.

[9] The best laid plans… as they say.
I think you may have missed something, unless it was mentioned in a previous post. 'Operation Jupiter' and Norway should also be in Churchill's thoughts at this point, with the bonus that that (in theory) helps secure the Atlantic (further) and convoys of lend-lease to Northern Russia. If Churchill's being told to forget Greece and Italy, I could see him going 'all in' on Norway.
 

Garrison

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I think you may have missed something, unless it was mentioned in a previous post. 'Operation Jupiter' and Norway should also be in Churchill's thoughts at this point, with the bonus that that (in theory) helps secure the Atlantic (further) and convoys of lend-lease to Northern Russia. If Churchill's being told to forget Greece and Italy, I could see him going 'all in' on Norway.
Norway is being considered, but more as part of the efforts to divert German attention away from what will be identified as the prime candidate for an invasion of Europe, the beaches of Normandy.
 
1st August - 15th August 1942 – Rise of the Wonder Weapons

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1st August - 15th August 1942 – Rise of the Wonder Weapons

Nazi Germany was the country where Uranium fission had been discovered so it was inevitable that they would begin to consider the practical applications of the discovery sooner rather than later naturally with an emphasis on the military applications. Despite the ‘brain drain’ of scientists precipitated by the Reich’s oppressive and antisemitic policies it still retained many fine physicists, Werner Heisenberg perhaps being the most notable, and the possibility of building an atomic bomb was discussed in 1941, but the Reich failed to make nuclear research a priority. Many reasons for the decision not to pursue the project at the time have been put forward, and a series of misunderstandings and mathematical errors by German scientists certainly didn’t help to sell Hitler on the merits of a nuclear weapons program. Post war claims that some of these errors were deliberate acts of sabotage must be taken with a pinch of salt and the claims that the idea was rejected for being ‘Jewish science’ can be dismissed outright, except in terms of the aforementioned departure of many first rate physicists from Europe, some of who would loom large in the Allies nuclear programs.

In the end the nuclear program was starved of funds and resources almost entirely for practical reasons. The single biggest problem with such an undertaking, involving what was at that point cutting edge physics, was that no one was sure if it was possible to weaponize Uranium fission, with estimates for the likelihood of successfully creating a bomb running as low as 1 in 10 by some estimates, and even the more optimistic projections made it a 50-50 proposition. Even if it were assumed that an atomic bomb was possible building a working weapon was predicted to take anything up to four years given all the potential issues that would have to be solved along the way, starting with deciding which mechanism and materials to use in building a bomb. This timeframe was well beyond the horizon when Hitler was looking to finish the war in mere months with the conquest of the USSR and the British forced to make peace. Even outside of Hitler’s most ideological supporters there was a recognition that Germany could not afford such a long war and resources had to be focused on weapons that could be deployed within months not years. Given the circumstances Hitler’s dismissal of the idea of an A-Bomb program can thus be framed as a pragmatic one. Some nuclear research would continue, but the work was small scale and largely theoretical, focused on the design of a working reactor rather than how to weaponize the science, though even this limited effort was of grave concern to the Allies [1].

This situation had not been radically altered either by Germany’s inability to bring Britain to the negotiating table or the failure of Operation Barbarossa. Even the US entry into the war left the status of nuclear research largely unchanged. Thus, Hitler’s sudden change of heart in the summer of 1942 took even his closest advisors by surprise. There are no authentic diaries left by Hitler and accounts of discussions at the time by the likes of Albert Speer are self-serving at best and pure fiction at worst, designed to diminish Speer’s role as head of the renewed nuclear bomb program, among other things. One obvious turning point that did weigh heavily on Hitler’s mind during July and August was the death of Mussolini, especially the way that, in Hitler’s eyes at least, the very mention of him had been banished from Italy, and this even with his former son-in-law as the titular head of the Italian government. Some have also suggested that this gloomy mood may have been down to change in the selection of drugs and quack remedies that the always high-strung Hitler was becoming prescribed, with some of these changes being directly in response to his alleged anxiety over the assassination of Mussolini. While the prospect that critical strategic decisions were made owing to a drug induced haze has a certain absurdist appeal it is rather a stretch to pin the responsibility for critical strategic decisions made by Hitler solely on his pharmaceutical intake [2].

It must also be considered that even in the summer of 1942 it was obvious to some that if Germany were to survive, let alone win, it faced years of struggle against materially superior opponents who were increasingly mobilizing that superiority with the aim of crushing Germany. Even if Case Blue were the success Hitler hoped for that would still leave Germany to face the might of the USA and the British Empire and what could Germany do to force them to recognize the need to accept Germany mastery of Eurasia? Although he rarely spoke of it even privately some accounts do suggest Hitler was gripped by a Wagnerian vision of Götterdämmerung, a dark sense that even though Germany was seemingly on the brink of victory in the Caucasus the fates, or the secrets cabals of the Jewish World Order in Hitler’s worldview, would somehow rob the German people of their rewards. Almost worse to Hitler was the prospect that those same voices that had constantly shown such a lack of vision and tried to hold Germany back at every turn would re-emerge and sap the will of the people, making them unworthy of Hitler’s grand Aryan vision and bringing them to ruin. But what seemed to haunt Hitler the most was the thought that ultimate victory and the creation of Greater Germania might not occur while he was alive. If it fell to some successor to complete the great task of purging the Jews and Communists from the world, then would that successor simply wash away the name of Adolf Hitler in the way that Stalin had erased any mention of some of his former comrades in the USSR? A more classical allusion that Hitler certainly did mention to his confidantes was that of Phillip of Macedon and his son Alexander. Phillip had laid the groundwork for the military power of Macedon, but it was his son who was remembered as Alexander the Great [3].

This period of gloom and introspection would soon give way to a fresh surge of manic conviction in the certainty of victory even as the battle of Stalingrad escalated, but while still fully in the grip of these fears in the first weeks of August Hitler put in place plans that would have serious long-term consequences for German military production and the operations of the Wehrmacht in 1943, plans that could not be disputed as the atmosphere in Berlin became even more oppressive and merciless towards dissent. Senior military and political figures who had already learned to be careful in what they said and to who they said it had to redouble their caution, especially as the ideologically committed SS were trusted with an ever-increasing role in leading on the battlefield and policing the Wehrmacht. This increased the distrust of the Generals further eroded what tactical advantages the Heer might have enjoyed over its opponents, making military catastrophe more likely and ironically laying the groundwork for some of the unhappy Generals to take more proactive measures against Hitler [4].

Himmler and the SS would also be given an oversight role in a renewed A-bomb program, with Albert Speer taking charge of the practical organizational side of things, an ideal role for a man who was far more gifted as a propagandist than he was an architect or administrator. Simply reviving German research into nuclear weapons wasn’t enough for Hitler. After seeing an early demonstration of the A4 rocket had visions, or delusions, of marrying atomic bombs to missiles, creating a weapon that could strike down the foes of the German people even if misfortune or treachery brought them the very gates of Berlin. Hitler also had an even darker possibility in mind. If the German people proved themselves unworthy of his grand vision for them then the country should burn, creating a fitting a funeral pyre for the Fuhrer and all his dreams and nuclear bombs could be used to achieve this even if the rockets were not available. Oddly even at the height of his determination to ensure that if the end came for Germany, it would also be the end for everyone else Hitler still did not embrace deploying chemical weapons. Some see this as a sign of a phobia about poison gas stemming from Hitler’s experience in World War I. More likely is that chemical weapons were something of a known quantity and Hitler was looking for superweapons that could turn the tide of the war even if things went badly for Germany, raining down Hitler’s enemies abroad, and at home if it came to it [5].

This demand for a radical acceleration in German nuclear research was greeted with considerable enthusiasm by the physicists and engineers working in the field, despite claims to the contrary after the war. Given the limitations of German resources this could only come at the expense of other cutting-edge projects, especially those in the aerospace industry as Werner von Braun’s A4 rocket program was also given a much higher priority, with the implicit understanding that the A4 was only an interim design and von Braun would be expected to produce what was called the ‘America Rocket’ in due course. This meant that the Me 262 jet fighter and Fi 103 flying bomb would experience delays and development of the Me 163 rocket fighter was all but abandoned, though this latter decision was probably a wise one, regardless of how the engineers who found themselves reallocated to other projects might have felt. The priority of the Me 262 would sway back and forth over the following months, much to the exasperation of the Luftwaffe [6].

Given their understandable anxieties German nuclear research was an area in which the Allies did their best to monitor developments and as intelligence about Hitler’s change of heart trickled in it created much concern in London and Washington. This not only led to efforts to accelerate the progress of the Manhattan Project to create the Allies own bomb, but also attempts to sabotage and disrupt German research as much as possible. This was made more difficult by the decision to bring together all of Germany’s nuclear research at a new site constructed close to the concentration camp at Auschwitz-Monowitz, taking over a site intended for a chemical plant, with a ready supply of concentration camp labour to build the facilities. This site was too remote for large scale Allied bombing operations, so they had to content themselves with attempting to subvert the project by means of sabotage operations, as well as planning the kidnapping and, if necessary, the assassination of scientists who might fall into German clutches, Niels Bohr for one was whisked away to Britain when it became clear that the Nazis were trying to draw him into their program. The Allies also sought to disrupt the flow of heavy water from the Norsk Hydro plant at Telemark in Norway, even going so far as to have the Norwegian resistance sink a ferry carrying a large supply of heavy water, despite the presence of large numbers of Norwegian civilians aboard the ferry [7].

As unnerving as the prospect of a Nazi bomb was to the Allies the truth of it was that Hitler’s insistence on this crash program proved to be a boon to them, as it consumed manpower and resources better spent elsewhere as a continuing series of errors, or heroic acts of anti-Nazi resistance depending on which source you prefer, meant the entire program went down one dead end after another. The Monowitz Sonderprojekt site proved far more dangerous to the scientists and workers based there than anyone else. The rocket program would prove somewhat more effective, in the sense that it delivered a working weapon, but it achieved little of strategic value and like so much else in Germany’s wonder weapons projects it would have far more impact after the war than during it [8].

[1] Basically the bomb was too expensive and too time consuming and Hitler just wasn’t desperate enough, yet.

[2] Basically I take the view that whatever drugs Hitler did or didn’t take only sharpened his natural tendencies, his megalomania and anxiety just became more and more apparent as time went on.

[3] That was indeed a thought that haunted Hitler at times, Mussolini’s death has just made it worse.

[4] They are going to do anything yet, its going to take a couple of more military failures to get them to actually do anything.

[5] Chemical weapons are just old compared to the power to rain down the fire of the gods.

[6] So another big idea to fight for resources with all the other big ideas.

[7] So these things are basically as per OTL, with rather more anxiety driving them.

[8] To be clear, no Nazi A-Bomb will be forthcoming. A Nazi Chernobyl? Possibly.
 

Garrison

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Quick scheduling announcement. I am away on a business trip on Thursday and on holiday for the following week. So there won't be an update on Thursday and the next one will probably be Sunday rather than Saturday.
 

marathag

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This site was too remote for large scale Allied bombing operations, so they had to content themselves with attempting to subvert the project by means of sabotage operations
Thus might be the one thing to get B-29 and/or B-32 to the ETO in squadron strength, or insist that Stalin allow B-17 and B-24 to be based in the USSR
 

[8] To be clear, no Nazi A-Bomb will be forthcoming. A Nazi Chernobyl? Possibly.


And in 65 years people someone will turn it into a video game probably. Interesting update considering the Manhatten Project originally was Tube Alloys and mostly a British undertaking is it more balanced this time around or is it still more US run?
 

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And in 65 years people someone will turn it into a video game probably. Interesting update considering the Manhatten Project originally was Tube Alloys and mostly a British undertaking is it more balanced this time around or is it still more US run?
The British are in a stronger position that OTL so they will be pushing for a more equal partnership.
 

marathag

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The British are in a stronger position that OTL so they will be pushing for a more equal partnership.
Unless they were providing half of the engineering side, that's still unlikely.
The Theory and Design was some of the cheapest expenditures on the whole Project.
 

Garrison

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Unless they were providing half of the engineering side, that's still unlikely.
The Theory and Design was some of the cheapest expenditures on the whole Project.
I'm not saying they will get it, but they will be less inclined to simply put their faith in the US sharing their data and this will have consequences for technology sharing elsewhere.
 
17th– 28th April 1942 – Carrier Battles – Part II – Allied Response

The Japanese planners were correct in their assessment that a threat to Singapore and the other key ports was a threat the Royal Navy would have to respond to, the Japanese planners only mistake was in assuming the Royal Navy would have to respond after the fact. With intelligence painting the broad outline of the raid Admiral Cunningham was not only willing to engage the IJN, but he was also eager to do so. seeing this is as a golden opportunity to turn the tables and inflict a major defeat on the enemy by committing his full carrier strength, with powerful support from his available battleships and the large escorts forces that had been built up since December. Such a plan naturally carried considerable risks but given Cunningham’s track record and the importance of protecting Singapore there were few objections from London, with the main concerns of Whitehall being improving the anti-aircraft defences around Singapore harbour to negate the threat from an air attack, not realizing that the Japanese plan called for a bombardment by surface ships rather than aerial bombardment. Once they were briefed the RAF, commanded in South East Asia by Air Vice-Marshall Keith Park, also made plans to engage the Japanese attack force, as well as providing long range scouting in support of the Royal navy. Given the timescale and the distances involved it was difficult for any reinforcements or fresh equipment to be dispatched but the British did what they could to shore up both the defensive and offensive capabilities of the air and naval forces in the area [1].

Formidable’s air wing in April 1942 consisted of Sea Hurricane fighters and Monarch Barracudas, the latter able to fulfil the divebombing and torpedo bomber role, though it was primarily deployed in the latter role. Indomitable had received a batch of Seafires, one of the first carriers to operate the sea going Spitfire model, an aircraft that it was expected would address the potential deficiencies of the Sea Hurricane versus the Japanese Zero, though overall tactical improvements proved more important than technical upgrades in countering the Japanese fighter. Furious had an unusual complement, being the only Royal Navy carrier at that time to operate the American F4F ‘Wildcat’ fighter, supplied via lend lease. Its bomber complement was also different in that it operated a mixture of Albacores and Barracudas. This was because the production of carrier capable aircraft still somewhat lagged those for land-based fighters and bombers. The F4F was a more than capable substitute for the Sea Hurricane, however the Albacore was very much a stop gap aircraft, with some aircrews feeling it wasn’t much of an improvement over the Swordfish. The British pilots and crews had also been trained in night operations, with many of them being veterans of the Taranto raid. This admixture of aircraft was not ideal for co-ordinating the different airwings, this wasn’t going to stop Cunningham from doing his utmost to ensure that his entire carrier force struck the enemy in a single massive blow [2].

Just as much as the Japanese Cunningham wanted to achieve the element of surprise of possible, the greatest challenge in doing so for what was named the Indian Ocean Taskforce was the passage through the Malacca Strait, between Sumatra in the DEI and Malaya. Fortunately, the Allies were still in control of Sumatra, although Borneo and the islands to the east of it were in Japanese hands. Java remained a battleground, and would become the longest single campaign of the war in South East Asia as neither side would give up on it and neither had the resources available to secure it.

Even given the commitment to the defence of Malaya it had been recognized that Java had to be held. If it fell Sumatra would be wide open to Japanese attacks and if Sumatra fell, then the Japanese could render Singapore unusable as a naval base. Canadian C Force, consisting of one battalion each from the Royal Rifles of Canada) and the Winnipeg Grenadiers plus a Brigade HQ, had originally been earmarked for Hong Kong before Montgomery intervened and they were diverted to Malaya. They had been in reserve during the fighting in December and January, ironically held back to counter any attempt at an amphibious landing in Singapore. They had then been earmarked to aid the Dutch and had been dispatched to Java along with detachments of Australian troops to bolster the Dutch defence, as well as a collection of tanks, guns and aircraft that had been scraped together. A few M3 Stuarts and some rather tired Mk IV Bs had been dispatched, along with Brewster Buffalos no longer required by the RAF or RAAF, which were flown mainly Dutch pilots. This hodgepodge of forces had nonetheless held on in Java and after the British victories in Malaya Japan simply could not muster the manpower to try and bypass the island and assault Sumatra directly [3].

The IJA forces in the Dutch East Indies were exhausted by April, with supply lines being disrupted by Allied submarines and bombers still operating out of Singapore, while men and resources that might have been used to reinforce them were instead committed to Operation Yari, The Philippines, and now to the second attempt at invading Wake Island. The IJAAF had established bases in the DEI, thoug they were desperately short on aircraft and crews by the time of the Battle of Singapore. This fact was not passed to the IJN, they were given figures for the strength of the fighter and bomber squadrons based in Borneo

The relief of Wake Island had made for good propaganda and there had been no time for anyone in December 1941 to question the


r cost take it back later. Also Wake might yet allow the US Navy to accelerate its island-hopping campaign in the Pacific, which was still only a plan in early 1942. The intelligence reports that revealed Japanese intentions were thus almost a relief to Nimitz as in his mind they put an end to any talk of withdrawal and Admiral King in Washington agreed. They both saw the attack on Wake Island in the same light as Admiral Cunningham did the raid on Singapore, a threat that had to be honoured and an opportunity to inflict a defeat on the Japanese, though one that carried a considerable risk.

Facing an invasion supported by three, or possibly four, Japanese carriers Nimitz was determined to assemble as powerful a force as he could muster. One complication was that the carrier USS Hornet was already committed to the Doolittle Raid, a plan to launch B-25 medium bombers from a carrier deck to strike targets in Japan. Politically this would have been impossible to cancel as it had support at the highest level and the attack went ahead on the 18th of April, the very same day that the Indian Ocean Taskforce was preparing to engage the IJN. During the attack the B-25s dropped bombs on Tokyo and several other targets on the island of Honshu. In what could be seen as an ill omen one bomber spotted the Kaga in dock undergoing repairs and dropped its bombs on this inviting target. One bomb Island back in December and this time they were joined by USS Yorktown and USS Lexington. These ships carried far larger air groups than their Royal Navy counterparts, though it can be argued that this came at the expense of being more vulnerable to damage, specifically they had wooden flight decks versus the armoured decks of the Royal Navy ships. In practice the quality of the damage control operations aboard a carrier proved to be a far more important factor than the underlying design philosophy, as would be demonstrated when the US carriers faced their similarly built IJN counterparts. A greater issue for the Americans was that their crews were lacking in experience and of the aircraft at their disposal the F4F Wildcat proved an adequate fighter and the SBD Dauntless an excellent dive-bomber. The TBD Devastator torpedo-bomber on the other hand was utterly obsolete and due to be replaced by the TBF Avenger in the summer of 1942, in April it was still in frontline service and its inadequacies were brutally exposed in the fighting off Wake Island [6].

Yamamoto had set the date for the opening of the invasion of Wake Island for the 23rd of April and they stuck to their schedule, ignoring the outcome of the Battle of Singapore only days before, if anything that battle only spurred the IJN on in seeking the decisive battle with the USN [7].

[1] Keith Park didn’t arrive in the theatre until 1945 OTL, but here with no Med campaign he’s been assigned to take command of what is slowly becoming a powerful RAF force.

[2] The FAA is doing much better than OTL, it still isn’t getting everything it wants however and the big issue with the Zero is learning the lesson of not trying to get into a turning fight with them.

[3] This part was significantly rewritten after the earlier discussion of C Force and the defence of Sumatra/Java, which of course was in the context of events that haven’t happened yet ITTL.

[4] The Japanese forces in the DEI are at the end of a very long supply line and other places are getting priority.

[5] This little detail about Kaga also inspired by previous discussions.

[6] The Devastator is going to suffer regardless, whether it is as bad as OTL Midway will have to wait for a further update.

[7] So the battle of Singapore is next.
What is the Status of the U.S. 131st Field artillery Battalion. OTL they were on Java and attached to Blackforce. Would instead they be attached to the Canadian force?
 
The Hong Kong unit was moved to Singapore in 1939 OTL. ITTL with Singapore holding then the codebreakers might stay rather than be moved to Columbo. Having traffic analysis and code breaking continue in Singapore through early 1941 ITTL could well be decisive in helping the allies to thwart the Japanese invasions and advances.
The USN codebreaker team CAST, moved from Corrigidor to Sydney, OTL, I could see them, instead in this TL move to Singapore.
 

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What is the Status of the U.S. 131st Field artillery Battalion. OTL they were on Java and attached to Blackforce. Would instead they be attached to the Canadian force?
Probably though it won't change the designation I've give the alt Java force :)
The USN codebreaker team CAST, moved from Corrigidor to Sydney, OTL, I could see them, instead in this TL move to Singapore.
I think we can assume that happened, even if it is supposed to be a wholly separate command on paper.
 
Otl, e en though separate units, CAST was collated with the RNRAN codebreaking teams, and freely shared information coming g from Joe Rochfort's team HYPO at Pearl Harbor.
 

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Otl, e en though separate units, CAST was collated with the RNRAN codebreaking teams, and freely shared information coming g from Joe Rochfort's team HYPO at Pearl Harbor.
So more chance for co-operation and more opportunities to intercept Japanese traffic, and capture physical cypher documents means they are likely to be getting a far better picture of what the Japanese are doing.
 
So more chance for co-operation and more opportunities to intercept Japanese traffic, and capture physical cypher documents means they are likely to be getting a far better picture of what the Japanese are doing.
Yes, Adm Hart CIC Asiatic Fleet was very much in favor of this.
 
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