Finland as Moldova?
Someday I'll get tired of making silly analogue maps, but not today.
Finland as Moldova?
Someday I'll get tired of making silly analogue maps, but not today.
Someday I'll get tired of making silly analogue maps, but not today.
The Sami population outside that area is tiny, IIRC.A great map, and an interesting scenario.
The "Sapmi" area's population is untenably small, though. One could expect Petsamo/Liinahamari alone to have more people than 21K, as a port town with fishing and some industry, etc. In a Soviet Finland it would likely have been a somewhat significant centre on the Arctic Sea coast.
The Sami population outside that area is tiny, IIRC.
Let's assume that the modern Finnish Lapland is the Sami autonomous state. Less than 1% of people within that area speak a Sami language. Only one municipality within the Sami homeland area has a significant Sami-speaking population (Utsjoki), and that's still majority Finnish speaking.I believe that it would be practically impossible to create a functional majority Sami autonomous unit of any significant size in Finland. It simply would not be economically, etc, viable. Any realistic alternate entity known as "Sapmi" or somesuch would IMO still have a non-Sami majority even while having a special position and rights for the Sami population.
Let's assume that the modern Finnish Lapland is the Sami autonomous state. Less than 1% of people within that area speak a Sami language. Only one municipality within the Sami homeland area has a significant Sami-speaking population (Utsjoki), and that's still majority Finnish speaking.
Here’s a map of North America in the same scenario.View attachment 753314
Map of an alternate Europe. Basically, the Moriscos are able to hold on to their religion and culture in spite of persecution. Once the Spanish Empire collapsed, the Moriscos declared independence as the Republic of Andalusia(Spanish: Republica de Andalucia, Arabic: جمهورية الأندلس Jumhuriat al-Andalus). There’s a series of butterflies from there that culminates in TTL’s World War I, fought between Britain and Germany on one side and France, Russia, and Austria-Hungary on the other, with the Anglo-German side winning.
In Iberia, Spain and Portugal are relatively stable, although there’s some tension due to the two being on opposite sides in TTL‘s Cold War. Portugal is a constitutional republic(albeit a rather corrupt one) while Spain is a Carlist absolute monarchy with socialist characteristics. Andalusia is the black sheep of the peninsula, having a mostly Arab Muslim culture and being significantly poorer and more unstable than the other two. Andalusia also hasn’t entirely forgiven Spain for centuries of oppression, but otherwise the two have fairly cordial relations.
Germany is the hegemonic power of Continental Europe. All of Eastern Europe(save Russia) have been German puppet states ever since the signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. Although Germany is definitely a great power, its not considered a superpower, as it has little influence outside Europe.
The Whites won the Russian Civil War, and established a military dictatorship. Following the end of the dictatorship period in 1961, Russia transformed into a constitutional monarchy under a restored branch of the Romanovs. Russia today is a rising power and one of the world’s fastest growing economies.
Britain managed to keep their empire longer then OTL, but lost a Cold War against the United States, after which most of Britain’s colonies(and Wales) declare independence. Said Cold War was mainly over the issue of colonialism. Britain today is still a great power, but they no longer have the global influence they once had.
Italy is divided between the Kingdom of Italy in the north and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies in the south, with the Papal States in between. There’s a united Scandinavia arising from an alternate Napoleonic Wars, but it has little influence on the greater world. France collapsed into civil war after TTL’ World War I, which resulted in it being taken over by a military junta that gradually democratized and Britanny becoming independent. The Balkans are a chaotic mess as OTL, with the fascist National Republic of Yugoslavia regularly threatening their neighbors with nuclear annihilation. Greece and Turkey also fight over Cyprus every so often. Switzerland and the Benelux countries are mostly the same as OTL. I know it’s not the most realistic scenario, but it’s an interesting one(in my opinion).
Might work a liiiiitttle if we are going with the Soviet theme and how the Soviets propped up minorities here and there after they were done getting rid of their cultural leaders. Though, as you say, the numbers don’t work the best. I assume this is all based on Moldova so the Karelians or Swedes (who I just realized are not listed in the languages) might work better, but a gorgeous map is a gorgeous map.I believe that it would be practically impossible to create a functional majority Sami autonomous unit of any significant size in Finland. It simply would not be economically, etc, viable due to its small population. Any realistic alternate entity known as "Sapmi" or somesuch and being made of a geographically major part of Finnish Lapland would IMO still have a non-Sami majority even while having a special position and rights for the Sami population.
Might work a liiiiitttle if we are going with the Soviet theme and how the Soviets propped up minorities here and there after they were done getting rid of their cultural leaders. Though, as you say, the numbers don’t work the best. I assume this is all based on Moldova so the Karelians or Swedes (who I just realized are not listed in the languages) might work better, but a gorgeous map is a gorgeous map.
Well, I assumed that they would have been deported during the Stalinist purges.Swedes (who I just realized are not listed in the languages)
Yes, that's my mistake, I had about the same thing in my head, but somehow I miscalculated a lot with the population figures, maybe I'll try to fix it later.The designs I have had for a "Sami ASSR" myself in a scenario where Finland is a part of the USSR, making a part of Lapland a separate entity is basically a Soviet ploy to create an enclave up north for defence purposes, bringing in mainly Russian military personnel with their families to establish a trustworthy presence on the border with NATO Norway (and quite possibly NATO Sweden, too, in that timeline). The Sami get more rights and ostensible representation, but in practice when we get to the 1980s or so, the biggest ethnic group in the area would be Russians. Maybe not an outright majority, but perhaps 40% or so, with the rest of the population made of Finns and Sami.
Yes, that's my mistake, I had about the same thing in my head, but somehow I miscalculated a lot with the population figures, maybe I'll fix it later.
this is "Finland as Moldova" map, as I understad, so, Sami is TTL Gagauzia)Let's assume that the modern Finnish Lapland is the Sami autonomous state. Less than 1% of people within that area speak a Sami language. Only one municipality within the Sami homeland area has a significant Sami-speaking population (Utsjoki), and that's still majority Finnish speaking.
You could probably get an idea by studying this guy’s maps and worldbuilding.I was wondering how the climate would be both on the new land and how western North America would be effected by it.
Damn the Winter War really sucked for the Finns here eh
Someday I'll get tired of making silly analogue maps, but not today.
This is Quarter-Bam right?View attachment 753447
Kinda random but- the new continent is Equatoria from the Tellurus Project, merged with the Vale, the Iron Islands, and the Arbor (between it & North America).
I was wondering how the climate would be both on the new land and how western North America would be effected by it.
Yup. Qbam (the full one) is annoyingly big. I used to only use Worlda but now that's too small.This is Quarter-Bam right?
Indeed, it was more of a comment than a critique. I imagine they went the way of the Kola Norwegians and got settled in Karelia or, due to their higher numbers, the way of the Greeks, Koreans, and others who got deported to Central Asia. I suppose the Swedes here could more easilly get on boats to flee. Your map actually makes me think of how many smaller Finnic groups like the Ingrians might have survived a bit better here, due to not being effectively liquidated as enemy nationals after WWI by the Soviets. Anyways, I look forward to seeing your new analogue maps, and hopefully finding some of the old ones as well.Well, I assumed that they would have been deported during the Stalinist purges.
Yes, that's my mistake, I had about the same thing in my head, but somehow I miscalculated a lot with the population figures, maybe I'll try to fix it later.