Fear Nothing But God
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I always want do Digger or Leveller Britain but I did was put Leveller and Digger in America (Which make wounder if some put the idea of Diggerism in America TL)
Fear Nothing But God
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An Attempt At Reverse-American-Politics
Richard M. Nixon (Republican) 1961-1963
1960: def. John Kennedy (Democratic) and unpledged electors ("Dixiecrat")
"If you want to make beautiful music, you must play the black and the white notes together."
Elected as Eisenhower's success, he had grand plans all unfortunately ceased by his assassination in Boston.
Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Republican) 1963-1969
1964: def. Eugene McCarthy (Democratic) and unpledged electors ("Southern Vigilance")
"It has been well said that a hungry man is more interested in four sandwiches than four freedoms."
The president of the "New Society" reforms shepherded by moderate and conservative advisors, yet criticised by conservatives for being weak on Vietnam.
John Kennedy (Democratic) 1969-1974
1968: def. Milton Young (Republican), John V. Lindsay (Liberal) & unpledged electors ("Southern Vigilance")
1972: def. Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names"
No longer a young fresh face, this bitter President tried to carve a way left-wards and found obstacles. Brought down by his two obsessions - sex and power, in a scandal that shook Washington.
Carl Albert (Democratic) 1974-1977
"I like to face issues in terms of conditions and not in terms of someone's inborn political philosophy.''
The president who had to take over after Kennedy's resignation, he crafted a conciliatory path but couldn't win re-election.
Howard Baker (Republican) 1977-1981
1976: def. Carl Albert (Democratic)
"Listen more often than you speak."
The Governor of Tennessee was elected President on a platform of changing Washington, but the economy stagnated and he lost re-election to a charismatic Governor who promised real change.
Robert Redford (Democratic) 1981-1989
1980: def. Howard Baker (Republican) and Henry M. Jackson (Independent)
1984: def. Bob Dole (Republican)
"We put all our concerns on hold to let the leaders lead. I think we're owed a big, massive apology."
The youthful Robert Redford, Governor of California, was elected President by a frustated populace fed up of the status quo. His presidency was one where the Overton Window was shifted to the left.
Birch Bayh (Democratic) 1989-1993
1988: def. George H. W. Bush (Republican)
"You know I don't think we need the Republicans to steal family values from us."
Birch Bayh, the vice-president of Robert Redford, was elected more or less on Redford's popularity over the "boring" George H. W. Bush. He would go down to defeat to Bush's son only four years later.
George W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
1992: def. Birch Bayh (Democratic) and Lee Iacocca (Independent)
1996: def. Mario Cuomo (Democratic) and Lee Iacocca (Reform)
"I'm a uniter, not a divider."
Folksy, charismatic, inoffensive, that was the Bush people elected to the Oval Office in November 1992. And despite Democratic attacks on his reputation, he left with his head held high in January 2001.
Evan Bayh (Democratic) 2001-2009
2000: def. Christine Schneider (Republican)
2004: def. John McCain (Republican)
"In honoring their memory, we will remain true to our commitment to freedom and democracy."
Often characterised as greatly inexperienced and "only won because of his daddy", despite his two-term stint as Governor of Indiana, he proved a strong wartime leader, even if a deeply divisive one.
Sarah Palin (Republican) 2009-2017
2008: def. Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2012: def. Brian Schweitzer (Democratic)
"Here's a little newsflash for those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion."
Sarah Palin's legacy still shapes the Republican Party. Combining strong religion with a moderate record and a conservative streak, she energised a whole generation of people, even if Democrats obstructed her policies.
Dennis Kucinich (Democratic) 2017-present
2016: def. Laura Bush (Republican)
"This is a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, which in too many cases has become so corporate and identified with corporate interests."
Despite people saying he'll lose, despite his deeply controversial remarks on FacePage and elsewhere, despite divisive rhetoric and dubious ties to Russia, despite the most qualified Republican candidate in history, he still won.
I always want do Digger or Leveller Britain but I did was put Leveller and Digger in America (Which make wounder if some put the idea of Diggerism in America TL)
I meant Elections Game as I would make character that seek an revival of it, Never an actual TLAnd may the Great God @Thande smile upon your pre-1900 Diggerism in America TL idea. (Or! Or! You could have William Jennings Bryan get super into their writings in a university education and start a Diggers revival....)
What does PFD stand for?Tons of U.S political parties? Why not? (This probably isn't that realistic)
Theodore Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (P) 1913-1917
Def. Champ Clark/Thomas Marshall (D) William Howard Taft/Nicolas M. Butler (R) Eugene V. Debs/Emil Seidel (S)
Woodrow Wilson/Mitchell Palmer (D) 1917-1921
Def. Hiram Johnson/John M. Parker (P) Charles W. Fairbanks/Elmer Burkett (R) Eugene V. Debs/Robert Lafollette (PFD)
Frank Orren Lowden/Calvin Coolidge (R) 1921-1933
1920 Def. Victor Murdock/William Borah (P) Woodrow Wilson/Mitchell Palmer (D) Eugene V. Debs/Robert Lafollette (PFD)
1924 Def. William Borah/Ira Clifton Copley (P) Mitchell Palmer/Thomas Marshall (D) Robert Lafollette/Upton Sinclair (PFD)
1928 Def. William Borah/Whitmell P. Martin (P) William McAdoo/Albert Ritchie (American/Prohibition) Upton Sinclair/Burton K. Wheeler (PFD) Al Smith/Oscar Underwood (D)
Franklin Delano Roosevelt/Hiram Johnson (P) 1933-1945
1932 Def. Joseph Taylor Robinson/Alben W. Barkley (D) Albert Ritchie/Harry Byrd (American) Calvin Coolidge/Herbert Hoover (R) Upton Sinclair/Norman Thomas (PFD)
1936 Def. Albert Richie/Ellison D. Smith (American) Arthur Vandenberg/Robert A. Taft (R) Upton Sinclair/William Lemke (PFD) Huey Long/Alben W. Barkley (D)
1940 Def. Robert Taft/Wendell Willkie (R) Alben W. Barkley/Paul V. McNutt (D) Ellison D. Smith/Harry F. Byrd (American) Upton Sinclair/Henry A. Wallace (PFD)
Earl Warren/Tom Dewey (P) 1945-1949
Def. Harry Truman/Estes Kefauver (D) John W. Bricker/Harold Stassen (R) Richard Russell/Strom Thurmond (American) Henry A. Wallace/Norman Thomas (PFD)
Dwight D. Eisenhower/John Sparkman (D) 1949-1957
1948 Def. Earl Warren/Tom Dewey (P) Robert Taft/Harold Stassen (R) Richard Russell/Fielding L. Wright (American) Henry A. Wallace/Glen Taylor (PFD)
1952 Def. Harold Stassen/Douglas MacArthur (R) Strom Thurmond/Harry F. Byrd (A) Tom Dewey/Claude Pepper (P) Henry A. Wallace/Wayne Morse (PFD)
Hubert Humphrey/John F. Kennedy (P) 1957-1965
1956 Def. John Sparkman/Lyndon B. Johnson (D) Harry F. Byrd/Barry Goldwater (A) Nelson Rockefeller/Everett Dirksen (R) Wayne Morse/Robert Lafollette Jr. (PFD)
1960 Def. Stuart Symington/Adali Stevenson (D) Richard Nixon/William Stratton (R) Strom Thurmond/John S. Battle (A) Mark Hatfield/Ernest Gruening (PFD)
I'll do more later
I mean, if you think about it she really works as an Obama analogue. Religious, moderate in the past, but portrayed herself as a conservative, ties to a non-contiguous state, etcetera.That's the most good fun I've seen with an analogue list in a long time, although I am now on a prescription that stops the screaming in my head when I see "President Sarah Palin"...
Peace, Freedom, and Democracy. It's a left-wing party that opposes war. Although Mark Hatfield's nomination was unpopular within the PFD, he was chosen as a compromise candidateWhat does PFD stand for?
However, as the Alliance did not designate as a Unionist party, neither Swann nor Naomi Long could become co-First Minister.
Well it's not *so* unlikely the earlier you do it, other than abortion (he took after his Catholic wife and was a "seamless grament" guy: anti-death penalty, anti-abortion, generally anti-war, *very* anti-nukes and of course coruscatingly anti-Vietnam) he fit pretty well into a new Progressive party that never quite happened in the early Seventies -- McGovern would've fit too, other than his being objectively one of the two most pro-union Dem nominees of the 20th century to that point most of the rest of his politics are best understood in terms of him being the last of the Progressives. You could've had an interesting and screwy (like the Lib Dems in the U.K.) stretch of people in such a grouping all the way from Jack Javits to Ron Dellums, unified by a suspicion of large corporate organizations (from GM or IBM to certain departments of the executive branch) and of military-industrial/imperial presidency-driven wars, and a rather dignitarian rights-based approach to citizenship -- but divided on many other things.Peace, Freedom, and Democracy. It's a left-wing party that opposes war. Although Mark Hatfield's nomination was unpopular within the PFD, he was chosen as a compromise candidate
Unrelated, but didn't McGovern generally have bad relations with organized labor?Well it's not *so* unlikely the earlier you do it, other than abortion (he took after his Catholic wife and was a "seamless grament" guy: anti-death penalty, anti-abortion, generally anti-war, *very* anti-nukes and of course coruscatingly anti-Vietnam) he fit pretty well into a new Progressive party that never quite happened in the early Seventies -- McGovern would've fit too, other than his being objectively one of the two most pro-union Dem nominees of the 20th century to that point most of the rest of his politics are best understood in terms of him being the last of the Progressives. You could've had an interesting and screwy (like the Lib Dems in the U.K.) stretch of people in such a grouping all the way from Jack Javits to Ron Dellums, unified by a suspicion of large corporate organizations (from GM or IBM to certain departments of the executive branch) and of military-industrial/imperial presidency-driven wars, and a rather dignitarian rights-based approach to citizenship -- but divided on many other things.
Two different things. He actually had quite good relations with some of the more democratized skilled unions and with the farm workers. George Meany of the AFL-CIO who was a real piece of work anyway (grandiose, bureaucratic, and reactionary on everything but pocketbook issues -- Walter Reuther of the UAW tried to found a rival organization in the Sixties to sandbag Meany but it came unglued when Reuther died/was likely assassinated in a plane crash.) Meany was one of the old school bosses sidelined by the McGovern-Fraser primary reforms and he hated McGovern for it with the white heat of a thousand suns. Add to that the fact HHH in the worst moment of his grand and distinguished career was so desperate for the nomination in '72 that he kneecapped McGovern's "move to the middle" in June of '72 and between them they only reinforced CREP's image-making of McGovern as a hippie-loving wimp even though McG was an eminently keen witted decorated bomber pilot who kept getting elected in conservative South Dakota because he knew farming issues back to front and treated his neighbors like, well, his neighbors and not part of some opposing tribe. The combined Nixonian/pissed-off Democratic grandees rubbishing of McGovern is one of the great disservices to historical memory of that era (and in the end despite the AFL-CIO refusing to endorse anyone and Meany offering discreet boosts to Nixon McGovern still won a solid majority of unionized workers, just not what he would've with an endorsement.) But no Democrat was especially long on chances to win that year unless Watergate lit itself on fire and ran up and down during the first five minutes of every evening news broadcast that year and it got lost in the shuffle (Nixon's ad men were so damn good his trustworthiness numbers went *up* in '72 the more that came out about Watergate) and/or Wallace (George) defied Nixon blackmailing him over tax evasion charges against George's brother Gerald and ran third party. Even then it would be tough and Hart's campaign team (save for Frank Mankiewicz) were talented but had absolutely no experience running more than primary-level campaigns and it showed in the Eagleton disaster.Unrelated, but didn't McGovern generally have bad relations with organized labor?
I send my blessing to you as both a Polish-American and a Lithuanian-American!I'm pretty sure this will be the first such list in this thread.
You Were the Chosen One, Bathory!
List of Kings of Poland and Grand Dukes of Lithuania since the Union of Lublin (1569-present)
This one is a lot of fun! I do think maybe somebody else could have worked better as Republican Clinton. Bush is too old money and not a newcomer like Clinton was.An Attempt At Reverse-American-Politics
Richard M. Nixon (Republican) 1961-1963
1960: def. John Kennedy (Democratic) and unpledged electors ("Dixiecrat")
"If you want to make beautiful music, you must play the black and the white notes together."
Elected as Eisenhower's success, he had grand plans all unfortunately ceased by his assassination in Boston.
Henry C. Lodge, Jr. (Republican) 1963-1969
1964: def. Eugene McCarthy (Democratic) and unpledged electors ("Southern Vigilance")
"It has been well said that a hungry man is more interested in four sandwiches than four freedoms."
The president of the "New Society" reforms shepherded by moderate and conservative advisors, yet criticised by conservatives for being weak on Vietnam.
John Kennedy (Democratic) 1969-1974
1968: def. Milton Young (Republican), John V. Lindsay (Liberal) & unpledged electors ("Southern Vigilance")
1972: def. Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names"
No longer a young fresh face, this bitter President tried to carve a way left-wards and found obstacles. Brought down by his two obsessions - sex and power, in a scandal that shook Washington.
Carl Albert (Democratic) 1974-1977
"I like to face issues in terms of conditions and not in terms of someone's inborn political philosophy.''
The president who had to take over after Kennedy's resignation, he crafted a conciliatory path but couldn't win re-election.
Howard Baker (Republican) 1977-1981
1976: def. Carl Albert (Democratic)
"Listen more often than you speak."
The Governor of Tennessee was elected President on a platform of changing Washington, but the economy stagnated and he lost re-election to a charismatic Governor who promised real change.
Robert Redford (Democratic) 1981-1989
1980: def. Howard Baker (Republican) and Henry M. Jackson (Independent)
1984: def. Bob Dole (Republican)
"We put all our concerns on hold to let the leaders lead. I think we're owed a big, massive apology."
The youthful Robert Redford, Governor of California, was elected President by a frustated populace fed up of the status quo. His presidency was one where the Overton Window was shifted to the left.
Birch Bayh (Democratic) 1989-1993
1988: def. George H. W. Bush (Republican)
"You know I don't think we need the Republicans to steal family values from us."
Birch Bayh, the vice-president of Robert Redford, was elected more or less on Redford's popularity over the "boring" George H. W. Bush. He would go down to defeat to Bush's son only four years later.
George W. Bush (Republican) 1993-2001
1992: def. Birch Bayh (Democratic) and Lee Iacocca (Independent)
1996: def. Mario Cuomo (Democratic) and Lee Iacocca (Reform)
"I'm a uniter, not a divider."
Folksy, charismatic, inoffensive, that was the Bush people elected to the Oval Office in November 1992. And despite Democratic attacks on his reputation, he left with his head held high in January 2001.
Evan Bayh (Democratic) 2001-2009
2000: def. Christine Schneider (Republican)
2004: def. John McCain (Republican)
"In honoring their memory, we will remain true to our commitment to freedom and democracy."
Often characterised as greatly inexperienced and "only won because of his daddy", despite his two-term stint as Governor of Indiana, he proved a strong wartime leader, even if a deeply divisive one.
Sarah Palin (Republican) 2009-2017
2008: def. Joe Lieberman (Democratic)
2012: def. Brian Schweitzer (Democratic)
"Here's a little newsflash for those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion."
Sarah Palin's legacy still shapes the Republican Party. Combining strong religion with a moderate record and a conservative streak, she energised a whole generation of people, even if Democrats obstructed her policies.
Dennis Kucinich (Democratic) 2017-present
2016: def. Laura Bush (Republican)
"This is a struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party, which in too many cases has become so corporate and identified with corporate interests."
Despite people saying he'll lose, despite his deeply controversial remarks on FacePage and elsewhere, despite divisive rhetoric and dubious ties to Russia, despite the most qualified Republican candidate in history, he still won.
Maybe Mitt?This one is a lot of fun! I do think maybe somebody else could have worked better as Republican Clinton. Bush is too old money and not a newcomer like Clinton was.
I guess part of the problem is seeing the wife as an ambitious politico otherwise someone like John Engler would be excellent.Maybe Mitt?
Frank Keating would work but he's a bit young.