Hope it doesn't turn into spam, I just think its an interesting TL idea!I for one am enjoying the new List of Alternate Levellers and Diggers thread immensely.
Oh no I wasn't being derisive at all! I also think they're goodHope it doesn't turn into spam, I just think its an interesting TL idea!
I know it maaaybe doesn't belong given that this is the "Alt PMs and Presidents List" thread but I've seen both pre-1900 stuff since the first version of this thread and any Alt Heads of State/Government lists seem to get included.
Oh no I wasn't being derisive at all! I also think they're good
More of a general comment on how it took off so quickly
FEAR, LOATHING AND THE WAY IT IS '72
1961-1964: George Smathers / Hubert Humphrey (Democratic)
1964-1964: Hubert Humphrey / Vacant (Democratic)
1964-1969: Hubert Humphrey / Albert Rossellini (Democratic)
1964: def - Nelson Rockefeller / Fred Schwengel (Republican)
1969-1973: Mark Hatfield / Jim Rhodes (Republican)
1968: def - Hubert Humphrey / Philip Hart (Democratic), Hubert Humphrey / Albert Rossellini (Democratic)
1973-1975: Mark Hatfield / Walter Cronkite (Republican)
1972: Mark Hatfield / Jim Rhodes (Republican), Birch Bayh / Walter Cronkite (Democratic), Walter Cronkite / Abraham Ribicoff (Rogue Electors')
1975-1975: Walter Cronkite / Vacant (Democratic)
1975-???: Walter Cronkite / Jesse Unruh (Democratic)
[1] Chrétien was really seen as being a great man elected at the wrong time. The recession of the early 1990s would be detrimental to his ministry, with some Liberals encouraging him to resign. He would call an early election in 1992, thinking his campaign skills would allow him to make a comeback. Unfortunately, it would be unsuccessful.
[2] 1988 has been seen as a battle between two of Canada's political titans, Chrétien (with Turner being removed in '86) and Mulroney. The Tories would start off with a lead, but the Liberals ran a clever campaign opposing Mulroney's free trade agreement. Ed Broadbent's NDP would have an impressive showing, but not earning as many seats as they hoped for. A new third party would enter the ring, the Reformists, reminiscent of the old SoCreds. The Liberals would return to the days of Trudeau, but that would ultimately not be.
[3] The "founder of the modern Tories", Kim Campbell has made a great influence on Candian politics, as the fifth longest serving Prime Minister. While at the time, Campbell was best known for the economic recovery and the Quebec independence referendum, her legacy is the Valentine's Day Attacks. Along with attacks on the U.S. Capital and the WTC, Canada would be hit when a plane crashed into First Canadian Place. Campbell's stirring unity speech with President Ann Richards has been seen as a shining moment in US-Canadian unity (after her time in 24 Sussex, she would also give the eulogy at Richard's funeral). Campbell would retire once the war effort was mostly finished, saying she would "hand the reigns to a new generation of citizens."
[4] Liberals had a sense of optimism about 1992 that seems bizarre in hindsight. The Conservatives would have a messy battle for their leadership, with Mulroney announcing he wouldn't retire at the last moment to take down Kim Campbell. It was already late, and Mulroney offended many by saying Campbell "would be more concerned with her Russian boyfriend than leading us to victory." However, Chrétien was shocked at his polling numbers declining. Voters turned to other left-wing parties, like the NDP, the CAP, or the Nationalists. Election Day came and went, and the Liberals were destroyed by the Tories. Not only that, but the NDP would almost take the position of Leader of the Opposition.
[5] 1997 was looking positive for the Tories, with Campbell very popular. Backbench "Rat Pack" MP John Nunziata would take the Liberal's leadership election as a centrist. The NDP would also get a new leader, CAW President Buzz Hargrove. Hargrove would prove to be a bad campaigner and unpopular with the establishment. This would cause Liberals and New Democrats to vote for the CAP. The Liberals would have a weak position as the opposition to the Tories. Like the Liberals and the NDP, the Reformists would have a weaker performance with a popular Tory government.
[6] Campbell would call a snap election following the Valentine's Day Attacks and the War in Afganistan to build up support for the "War on Terror." While the CAP claimed that Campbell was politizing terrorism, the vast majority of the nation disagreed. Plus, the Conservatives had given Canada a strong leader for the past nine years, why change a PM at a crisis? Campbell would score a large mandate.
[7] It would be difficult to follow Campbell's legacy, but that was the job of Bachand, a forty three year old Red Tory. The decision in the early days of the administration was if and when to have a snap election, which Bachand decided to do in mid-2005. Bachand had a smaller mandate than Campbell (having to work with moderate Reform MPs), which would foreshadow the rest of his ministry. An economic recession would lower the popularity of the Conservative administration, leaving Bachand without allies in parliament. Like the last young Red Tory PM, Bachand would lose another term.
[8] Orchard's last election as CAP leader would be a disappointment. Orchard was caught post-election ranting on the campaign, claiming that the Liberals split the vote, and that he would have won in a landslide. The Liberals were in third place, a result expected since 1992 finally occurring. Jan Brown would make an impressive showing for the Reform Party, but she would be removed for working with the Tories.
[9] Pat Martin would be a very controversial PM. While a fiery campaigner, Martin would spend his days in 24 Sussex with controversy after controversy surrounding him. Martin would often threaten news outlets who wrote articles critical of him with libel lawsuits, and was one to use profanity. This overshadowed his new governmental reforms, which hurt his approval ratings and in the polls.
[10] 2009 represented the low point in the Liberal Party's history, and the first non-PC PM in almost two decades. While the CAP started outed with a lead, the Tories made a slow comeback, but it was too little, too late.
[11] 2014 was a nail-biter for all parties, but especially the two major ones. Martin's string of gaffes was front and centre, but the public cared much less than expected. Replacing Bachand would be another British Columbian woman, Dianne Watts. Watts was more to the right of the party, but was generally popular with all factions. The Liberals would have a surprise, as Brian Tobin would make a sudden reappearance on the political scene. After Canadians went to the polls, the CAP would have a much smaller number of seats. Tobin's Liberals would make a comeback, coming back into third. Watts was very close to being able to form a government, but there was always another election. Both Watts and Martin had been encouraged by some to resign, but both stayed on.
[12] Time will only tell if Watts will be the second coming of Kim Campbell, or if she will fall flat in a new political landscape. The attention is on who will be the leader of the Liberals and the CAP.
[13] Like 2014, 2019 was a close race. Unlike 2014, Watts, Martin, or Tobin could become the PM. Martin was the safe bet for most of the campaign, but the poor economy hurt his reputation with swing voters. Polls went back and forth, with this being the most expensive campaign in Canadian history. Ultimately, Watts would take the PCs back to 24 Sussex. However, the other story was Tobin's even bigger surge, and the CAP's loss of many seats (Martin himself would lose re-election). Tobin had not just done his job to give the Liberals some urgent CPR, but ended up taking them back to second. He would resign, satisfied at his job.
I'm intrigued - any chance at footnotes? I'm curious as to what happened to Locke in 2016.THE AMERICAN SPIRIT
I'll put some footnotes up sometime soon. Just to satisfy your curiosity, Locke lost big in the primaries.I'm intrigued - any chance at footnotes? I'm curious as to what happened to Locke in 2016.
1841-0000: William Lovett (Workingmen's)
1841 def. Robert Peel (Radical-Whig), Charles Gordon-Lennox (Tory), Richard Oastler (Nelsonite)
the cease-and-desist letter will be in the post
THE AMERICAN SPIRIT
1974-1981: Gerald Ford / Nelson Rockefeller (Republican)
1976: Jimmy Carter / Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1981-1989: Morris Udall / Jim Sasser (Democratic)
1980: George W. Bush / Gerald Ford (Republican)
1984: Paul Laxalt / Robert Kasten, Jr. (Republican
1989-1992: Chuck Robb / John Conyers (Democratic)
1988: James B. Edwards / Pete Wilson (Republican)
1992-1993: John Conyers / Vacant (Democratic)
1993-2001: Bill Weld / George Deukmejian (Republican)
1992: Mario Cuomo / Brock Adams (Democratic), Thomas Sowell / John C. Whitehead (National Unity)
1996: Bill Bradley / John Breaux (Democratic)
2001-2005: George Deukmejian / Richard Vinroot (Republican)
2000: Bill Clinton / Chris Dodd (Democratic)
2005-2013: Bob Graham / Gary Locke (Democratic)
2004: George Deukmejian / Richard Vinroot (Republican), Lyndon LaRouche / Various (LaRouche Movement)
2008: Tommy Thompson / Jim Talent (Republican)
2013-2017: Gary Locke / Brian Schweitzer (Democratic)
2012: Jim Talent / Tim Pawlenty (Republican)
2017-???: Sherrod Brown / Deval Patrick (Democratic)
2016: Peter Pace / Sam Brownback (Republican), Rush Limbaugh / Andy Biggs (Independent)
THE HUNGER OF THE AMERICAN SOUL
Presidents of the United States of America (1969 - present)
1969 - 1973: Eugene J. McCarthy / Frank G. Clement (Democratic)
def. 1968: Richard M. Nixon / Spiro T. Agnew (Republican), George C. Wallace / Curtis E. LeMay (American Independent)
With a last minute plea to Senator George McGovern to stay off the ballot succeeding, the Anti-Humphrey vote at the 1968 DNC coalesced behind the controversial Senator from Minnesota, Eugene McCarthy. While McCarthy was an unconventional candidate, his support of the former Governor of Tennessee and charismatic populist was just as (if not more) strange. The Odd Couple, as they were referred to by the press, managed to take the White House thanks to supposed information of Nixon trying to stall Vietnam peace talks leaked to the press, the Peace movement and Clements' hypnotic speaking style.
President McCarthy, elected on an anti-war wave, made it the centerpiece of his agenda, and after many talks lasting til' the wee hours of the morning, he was proud to announce the conclusion of the Vietnam War by late 1969. While technically a few advisors remained, the boots on the ground were long gone, and that was enough for the American people.
President McCarthy then moved to an even larger task - a transformative domestic agenda. While he managed to achieve an expansion in Social Security and garnered collective bargaining rights for farmers, Southern Democrats made his life a living hell by trying to block his federal aid increase for Education by forcing his hand on busing - McCarthy wouldn't budge, and by the time a compromise was reached, it was too late.
As 1972 came around, McCarthy was still confident of reelection. While this could be ascribed to his own arrogance, the economy was doing fine, his domestic programs sorta were implemented, and, hey, he ended Vietnam. On the Republican side of the aisle, Governor Dan Evans of Washington took it upon himself to represent the liberal wing of the party, garnering the tacit endorsement of Nelson Rockefeller himself. However, Evans would be challenged by the Conservative just a bit to the South. The Governor of California, the myth, the legend, Ron Reagan.
The charming and handsome Reagan would frequently lock horns with the less well-endowed Evans, battling over everything from foreign policy to nature conservation. While Evans would surprisingly prove to be a strong candidate, the nomination was already in Reagan's corner from the time he announced his run.
While McCarthy faced no real threat in the primaries, he was intensely bothered by another power player in the party - His own Vice President. Personally, he had been chafing under Clements' larger-than-life personality ever since he took office. He was President, so why wasn't he getting the love of the people? Despite the voices of reason in his inner circle demanding he keep Clements' on board, McCarthy had already made his mind up. Ironically, he picked a candidate that was just as showy, selecting freshman Senator John Glenn, the former astronaut himself. Although he had only served since 1970, McCarthy had "the utmost faith in his skill and the wherewithal he has needed for this post."
As the conventions wrapped up, McCarthy was technically had the odds in his favor, but seemed to systematically make the wrong choice at every option given. Reagan was cool and calm, where as McCarthy seemed increasingly erratic and off-kilter in his speeches, going on long-winded anecdotes in the middle of stump speeches. McCarthy kept on with gumption but as the polls suddenly gave Reagan the lead just three weeks before Election Day, the campaign was ground to a halt.
Glenn, despite his background, was no Frank Clements', and without that key speaker to fight against Reagan's all-out war on the charm factor, McCarthy was simply left blowing in the wind.
1973-1976: Ronald W. Reagan / William T. Cahill (Republican)
def. 1972: Eugene J. McCarthy / John H. Glenn (Democratic), Walter J. Matthau / Jack U. Lemmon (Rogue Elector)
Reagan's presidency was... divisive, to say the very least. While he narrowly won the General Election, Congress was still firmly in Democratic hands, and they were dead-set on blocking anything that so much has had his vague attachment to it.
His attempts to stop inner-city busing? Stopped. Cahill's pet project for budget decreases on Social Security? Death by Committee. The only major piece of his platform he managed to get through was purely Executive, and, well, it blew up in Ronnie's face.
Since '68, Reagan had been a strong advocate for taking the dollar off of the gold standard, favoring a "free-floating" currency that had more fluidity in the markets in comparison to the strict management of the Bretton Woods System. However, this lead to uncertainty among traders and investors, and on Valentine's Day, 1974, stocks plunged nationwide. Reagan initially tried to remedy this with some more of his sunny optimism and supply-side economics, but the Democratic House would have none of it. Each side slandered each other with names unfit for print in response, with both hoping the blame for the crisis fell to the other. And, in bad news for the G.O.P., the buck stopped with Reagan.
For the Democrats, the hot new craze was all about "Reubin the Good." The young Governor of Florida wasn't too handsome and couldn't be said to be too charismatic, but goddamn if he didn't do his job well. While Reubin seemed set for a drawn-out battle with McCarthyite Mike Gravel and Establishmentarian Robert Straub, Gravel ended up refusing to run and Straub underperformed spectacularly in the New Hampshire Primary. Nay, his foe would be Senator John Tunney, a young progressive who fancied himself the heir to John Kennedy's mantle. While the battle would be prolonged, with Tunney calling Askew a "half-baked hick," and the normally mild-mannered Governor famously referring to Tunney as a "suntanned prick, who frankly can kiss my ass," the Floridian would take the nomination, thanks to Tunney's alienation from the party bosses who still held significant sway in the party.
Reagan found an easy path to renomination, and him and Cahill were raring to get back to what they were best at: campaigning. Running on a slogan of "Renewal in America," the two men gave a surprisingly active campaign from an incumbent President, sparing no expenses in a nationwide tour. Askew himself would be seen less frequently, preferring to stay governing back home to make himself look like "Presidential material." However, he did have a huge amount of Grade A surrogates in his stead, and they wasted no time in getting the message out there. Reagan was increasingly overwhelmed with the duties on the campaign trail, and had to take numerous breaks from the arduous trek across the nation he was on. Images of Reagan pale and weak flooded the pages of Time and the Washington Post, and despite his own assurances that he was fine, the public didn't buy it.
1976-1977: William T. Cahill / Vacant (Republican)
While most experts would hand Askew's victory due to the recession that was a-ragin', the talk of the day was about the health of President Reagan, what was he hiding, and all sorts of political intrigue. However, America was still shocked when Reagan died before the transition of power could take place. Ironically, Reagan, who was ill at the time with a severe case of the flu, would die from a fall down a flight of stairs in the White House, cracking open his own skull. While the nation mourned, William Cahill took power with the pure intention of serving as a placeholder, the Presidential equivalent of wallpaper.
Despite some famous' addresses to the public about "national unity" and "the nature of power," Cahill served his function well. On January 20th, when he handed over the reigns to Askew, he was more than glad to retire to the Jersey beaches he grew up with, soaking up the sun for his golden years.
1977 - ???: Reubin O. Askew / Claiborne B. Pell (Democratic)
def. 1976: Ronald W. Reagan / William T. Cahill (Republican)
Taking office with a powerful mandate only to be undercut by the man he defeated dying, President Askew hopes he can serve as the glue to unite the frayed nation in these trying times. With Congress at his back, Askew is set on ending this recession, solving the cultural division between the left and right, and bring America together, no matter the cost....