Okay, I'll keep thinking!
Wait to see the development, good job!
Okay, I'll keep thinking!
Mary Plantagenet, b. 1467
Cecily Plantagenet, b. 1469
John to Mary, and Francis to Cecily makes sense.Here's my current list of potential grooms for Mary and Cecily:
John Oldenburg, King of Denmark, Norway, and SwedenFrancis Phoebus de Foix, King of NavarreGian Galeazzo Sforza, Duke of MilanAny thoughts, feedback?
Mary in Denmark, Cecily in Navarre. Gian Galeazzo was engaged to his cousin Isabella of Naples when he was 10 and that match made much more sense than anyone else,Here's my current list of potential grooms for Mary and Cecily:
John Oldenburg, King of Denmark, Norway, and SwedenFrancis Phoebus de Foix, King of NavarreGian Galeazzo Sforza, Duke of MilanAny thoughts, feedback?
I think this Philip is more likely to marry Maria of Portugal (b. 1521) than Dorothea.Philip, Prince of Asturias (b.1524) m. Dorothea of Denmark (b.1520)
I think Anna is more likely to wed the son of Sigismund the Old and Bona Sforza.John, Crown Prince of Denmark (b.1518) m Anna of Hungary (b.1525)
Ferrara is too low for Catalina tbh. I would expect a French proxy bride in Ferrara and Catalina can marry Charles of Savoy.6) Catalina (b.1507) m. 1523 Ercole, Duke of Ferrara (b.1508)
France and Ferrara have fallen out big time. They don't want a French bride, even supposing I had a French bride of a suitable age to hand.I think this Philip is more likely to marry Maria of Portugal (b. 1521) than Dorothea.
I think Anna is more likely to wed the son of Sigismund the Old and Bona Sforza.
Ferrara is too low for Catalina tbh. I would expect a French proxy bride in Ferrara and Catalina can marry Charles of Savoy.
It doesn't. But Isabel Clara Eugenia was named after St. Eugenius and St. Claire of Assisi afterher mother prayed to them for a successful pregnancy. Another half-Habsburg princess at the time was named after her mom cried out to said saint while giving birth (think it was Anna of Austria with one of Felipe II's sons).Charles is Karoly in Hungarian and praying for a child to Saint not necessarily equals naming the child after him and Mary had some Lutheran sympathies.
It doesn't. But Isabel Clara Eugenia was named after St. Eugenius and St. Claire of Assisi afterher mother prayed to them for a successful pregnancy. Another half-Habsburg princess at the time was named after her mom cried out to said saint while giving birth (think it was Anna of Austria with one of Felipe II's sons).
Considering that Miklos/Nicolas has five feast/name days (21 March, 10 September, 25 September, 13 November and 6 December). The kid could easily be born on one of them.
Saint Nicolas of Mysa (Santa Claus) is on December 6
Saint Nicolas of Tolentino is September 10
Saint Nicolas I the Great is November 13
Saint (Ni)Colette de Corbie on March 6. While Colette was only canonized in the 19th century had a strong following in the Low Countries. With such famous followers as BOTH Margaret of York AND Mary of Burgundy, BOTH of whom prayed to her for a child. Colette is the patron saint of childless women, women who wish to conceive and expectant mothers. Several of Colette's miracles performed in her lifetime had to do with childbirth/newborns.
It sounds weird to us simply because there never WAS a "King Miklos" OTL.
As to Mary being Lutheran sympathizer, she still dismissed her chaplain (a supporter of Luther) when the pope excommunicated Luther.
Elisabeth of Austria as a match for Poland was Sigmund Stary's desire. Anna was proposed for Severinus of Saxony (IIRC) who was beig raised at the court of Ferdinand I, with the intention that Moritz of Saxony go into the Church. Then, after Severinus died, Karl V offered her for the duc d'Angoulême, but finally she went to Bavaria thanks to the Treaty of Linz (I think it was) between the Habsburgs and the Bavarians about stamping out the Reformation and think there was something about the Tirolese silver mines in there as wellBut yes, I could swap Anna out for an English/Low Countries bride and send her to Poland, and the Phillip/Maria match does make sense.
Elisabeth of Austria as a match for Poland was Sigmund Stary's desire. Anna was proposed for Severinus of Saxony (IIRC) who was beig raised at the court of Ferdinand I, with the intention that Moritz of Saxony go into the Church. Then, after Severinus died, Karl V offered her for the duc d'Angoulême, but finally she went to Bavaria thanks to the Treaty of Linz (I think it was) between the Habsburgs and the Bavarians about stamping out the Reformation and think there was something about the Tirolese silver mines in there as well
oopsWell, it was, true, but it was mainly because she was:
a) Emperor's daughter
b) his brother's female-line granddaughter
In the TL he talks about, Ferdinand won't manage (most likely) to be elected emperor as second son of Charles V would get Burgundian inheritance and Vladislaus II would have male-line grandaughter, which is Anna he talks about.
Whatever Ferdinand proposed for any Anna existing IOTL is irrelevant, he simply talks about fictive person, daughter of Louis II of Hungary.
Inspired by this thread: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...nd-earl-of-rutland-survives-wakefield.507317/
Nice! You should also post the trees to the Rutland thread.In the same world as my previous tree:
OkayNice! You should also post the trees to the Rutland thread.