List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

But yes, I could swap Anna out for an English/Low Countries bride and send her to Poland, and the Phillip/Maria match does make sense.
Elisabeth of Austria as a match for Poland was Sigmund Stary's desire. Anna was proposed for Severinus of Saxony (IIRC) who was beig raised at the court of Ferdinand I, with the intention that Moritz of Saxony go into the Church. Then, after Severinus died, Karl V offered her for the duc d'Angoulême, but finally she went to Bavaria thanks to the Treaty of Linz (I think it was) between the Habsburgs and the Bavarians about stamping out the Reformation and think there was something about the Tirolese silver mines in there as well
 
Elisabeth of Austria as a match for Poland was Sigmund Stary's desire. Anna was proposed for Severinus of Saxony (IIRC) who was beig raised at the court of Ferdinand I, with the intention that Moritz of Saxony go into the Church. Then, after Severinus died, Karl V offered her for the duc d'Angoulême, but finally she went to Bavaria thanks to the Treaty of Linz (I think it was) between the Habsburgs and the Bavarians about stamping out the Reformation and think there was something about the Tirolese silver mines in there as well

Well, it was, true, but it was mainly because she was:
a) Emperor's daughter
b) his brother's female-line granddaughter
In the TL he talks about, Ferdinand won't manage (most likely) to be elected emperor as second son of Charles V would get Burgundian inheritance and Vladislaus II would have male-line grandaughter, which is Anna he talks about.
Whatever Ferdinand proposed for any Anna existing IOTL is irrelevant, he simply talks about fictive person, daughter of Louis II of Hungary.
 
Well, it was, true, but it was mainly because she was:
a) Emperor's daughter
b) his brother's female-line granddaughter
In the TL he talks about, Ferdinand won't manage (most likely) to be elected emperor as second son of Charles V would get Burgundian inheritance and Vladislaus II would have male-line grandaughter, which is Anna he talks about.
Whatever Ferdinand proposed for any Anna existing IOTL is irrelevant, he simply talks about fictive person, daughter of Louis II of Hungary.
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Elizabeth of Austria (daughter of HRE Ferdinand I) is more fortunate.

Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1587) m. Sigismund II Augustus (1520-1572) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland

1) Hedwig (1544-1591) m. John Frederick (1542-1600) Duke of Pomerania

1) Elizabeth (1562-1639) m. Albert Frederick (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia​
2) Bogislaw (1564-1569)​
3) John Sigismund (1567-1619) Duke of Pomerania, m. Anna Catherine of Brandenburg (1675-1612)​
4) Casimir (1569-1591)​
5) Philip (1572)​

2) Elizabeth (1546-1625) m. Philip Magnus (1527-1586) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel

1) Elizabeth (1565-1621) m. Ferdinand (1529-1595) Archduke of Tyrol [1]​
2) Philip Henry (1567)​
3) Sigismund Augustus (1569-1624) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel, m. Hedwig of Poland (1576-1628) see below​
4) Catherine (1571)​
5) Maximilian (1573-1578)​

3) Sigismund III Ferdinand (1549-1596) m. Elizabeth of Austria (1554-1592)

1) Sigismund Maximilian (1574-1580)​
2) Hedwig (1575-1628) m. Sigismund Augustus (1569-1624) Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel​
3) Vladislaus (1577-1578)​
4) Alexander II (1578-1640) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1596, m. Maria Elizabeth of Tyrol (1586-1630) [2]​
5) Casimir (1580)​
6) Elizabeth (1583-1629) m. Sigismund (1583-1626) Duke of Bari and Rossano, see below​
4) Vladislaus (1550-1600) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Margaret Gonzaga (1564-1618)

1) Sigismund (1583-1626) Duke of Bari and Rossano, m. Elizabeth of Poland (1583-1629)​

5) Casimir (1552-1558)

6) Anna (1555-1576) m. Albert Frederick (1553-1618) Duke of Prussia

7) Alexander (1557-1599)

[1] are parents of [2]
 
Inspired by this thread: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...nd-earl-of-rutland-survives-wakefield.507317/

Edward IV (b. 1442) m 1462 Marie of Brittany (b.1444)
  • Mary (1464-1479)
  • Edward V (b.1466)
  • Cecily (b.1469)
  • Margaret (b.1471)
  • Richard, Duke of York (b.1473)
  • Edmund (1476 -1477)
  • Elizabeth (b.1479)
  • Francis, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1481)
  • Anne (b. and d.1483)

Edmund, Duke of Clarence (b.1443) m. 1462 Jacqueline of Luxembourg (b.1446)
  • Edward, Earl of Ulster (b. 1463)
  • Jacquetta (1464-1466)
  • Ursula (b.1467)
  • William (1470-1474)
  • Joan (b.1472)
  • Thomas, Earl of Rutland (b.1471)
  • Maud (1473-1474)
  • Ralph (b.1476)
  • Katherine (b.1478)

George, Duke of Cambridge (1449 - 1497), m 1471 Margaret Beaufort (b.1443)

Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b.1452) m 1470 Anne Neville (1456-1485)
  • Cecily (b.1472)
  • Edward (1476-1484)
  • Richard, Earl of Warwick and Salisbury (b.1479)

Notes: Edward and Marie both came from large families, but Marie seemed to have quite large gaps between her pregnancies judging from her list of kids, so I'm compromising and giving them kids two-three years apart...

We don't have a date of birth for Jacqueline of Luxembourg, so I picked one that worked for me.

George's title comes from Richard of Conisburgh's title, Earl of Cambridge, here elevated to a Dukedom, as befits the King's brother. George and Margaret Beaufort don't have any kids, so the Cambridge title goes back to the Crown after George's death in the fire at Sheen in 1497 and is given to Francis.

There is no restoration, because Warwick stays loyal, so Anne Neville never marries Edward of Westminster. She and Richard marry a little earlier and manage a couple more kids.

Neville tree coming up!
 
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In the same world as my previous tree:

Richard, Earl of Warwick (1428-1487) m. 1436 Anne Beauchamp (1426-1492)

1) Lady Isabel Neville (1451-1476) m 1469 Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham (b.1455)
  • Humphrey, Earl Stafford(b.1470)
  • Anne (b.1472)
  • Miscarriage (1473)
  • Isabel (b.1475)
  • Henry (b.and d.1476)
2) Lady Anne Neville (1456-1485) m 1470 Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b.1452)
  • Cecily (b.1472)
  • Edward (1476-1484)
  • Richard, Earl of Warwick and Salisbury (b.1479)
Notes: With no Woodvilles on the scene, Warwick secures two of the most glittering matches in England for his daughters and remains loyal, although he's not marvellously thrilled with Edward's anti-French policies. Still, no flight to Calais means Isabel's first child survives the labour. And yes, I know the matches work better the other way around age-wise. But I can't help it. I love Richard and Anne together...
 
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Queen Victoria, b. 1819, r. 1837 to 1901, m. Albert of Saxe Coburg Gotha, Prince Consort (1819 to 1879) (i)
1) Victoria, Princess Royal, b. 1840, d. 1901, m. Frederick, Crown Prince of Prussia (1831 to 1888)​
2) Alice, Grand Duchess of Hesse (...), b. 1843, d. 1878, m. Louis IV, Grand Duke of Hesse (...) (1837 to 1892)​
3) Helena of Schleswig Holstein, b. 1846, d. 1923, m. Prince Christian of Schleswig Holstein (1831 to 1917)​
4) King Arthur, b. 1850, r. 1901 to 1942, m. Thyra of Denmark (1853 to 1933) (ii)​
a) Queen Victoria II, prev. Princess Royal, b. 1879, r. 1942 to 1948, Alexander of Teck, 1st Duke of Connaught (1874 to 1957) (iii)​
1) Queen Victoria III, b. 1906, r. 1948 to 1994, m. Prince Henry of the Netherlands​
2) Arthur of Connaught, b. 1910, d. 1910​
b) Princess Louise, b. 1882, d 1963, m. Harald of Denmark, 1st Duke of Edinburgh, (1876 to 1949) (v)​
1) Louisa of Denmark, b. 1910, d. 1975​
2) Victoria of Denmark, b. 1914, d. 1962​
3) Harold of Denmark, 2nd Duke of Edinburgh, b. 1923, d. 1990 (vi)​
c) Leopold of Wales, b. 1885, d. 1901 (iv)​
5) Beatrice, Duchess or Argyll, b. 1857, d. 1944, m. John Campbell, Duke or Argyll​
(i) With no Bertie, there is no Nellie Clifton Affair and no mercy dash by Albert to dissuade his son from the affair, no pneumonia or typhoid fever and the Prince Consort lives for another eighteen years.
(ii) IOTL Victoria wanted Alexandra for Bertie and Dagmar for Alfred, neither exist here and both Danish princesses are too old for Arthur, so he ends up betrothed to Thyra instead who married the Crown Prince of Hanover IOTL.
(iii) As Leopold of Wales suffers from haemophillia and is, in general, a sickly child, the decision is made (largely by her grandmother) to marry the future Queen and Princess Royal to a cousin.
(iv) Given that Leopold is sickly and his father is the only male heir of the Prince Consort, when Ernest of Saxe Coburg and Gotha is clearly to be childless, the heir to the Duchy of Saxe Coburg and Gotha (by 1890) is Carlos I of Portugal, but he like OTL Edward VII abdicates his claim in favour of his brother, Afonso, Duke of Porto, who reigns in the Duchy as Henry
(v) Harald and Louise are first cousins, Harald's father is Louise's mother's brother, Frederick VIII of Denmark. IOTL, this happened with Queen Alexandra and Haakon VII of Norway
(vi) Given the absence of any ducal titles in the Danish monarchy or titles for second sons in the Duchy of Teck, and Louise being the second daughter of a monarch and without her own, upon his succession, Arthur creates his son-in-laws as the Duke of Connaught and Duke of Edinburgh respectively.
 
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Like @FalconHonour I did a family tree for the Plantagenets in a world where Edmund of Rutland survives.

Here's my attempt at a family tree: The Plantagenets and the Many Mistresses. Let me know what you think :)

Edward IV, King of England, b. 1442, d. 1495 married firstly a) Marie de Foix, b. 1443, d. 1466; married secondly Mary of Scotland, b. 1453; relations with Mabel Parr, b. 1450; relations with Anne Tuchet, b. 1446

Edward IV has two main mistresses: Mabel and Anne. Mabel is the royal mistress through most of the 1460s. When Edward starts to loose interest she gets pregnant to try and keep his attention. It works for a few years and then she's married off. Anne comes to Edward's attention as a rather pretty widow without children: the ideal mistress in his mind. Anne kept his attention from early in the 1470s till his death in 1495.

With Queen Mary (first wife):
Edward of Wales, b. 1463, d. 1476​
Elinor of York, b. 1467​
With Queen Mary (second wife):
Edmund I, King of England, b. 1470​
Richard of York, Duke of York, b. 1473​
Margaret of York, b. 1476​
Cecily of York, b. 1482​
William of York, Duke of Bedford, b. 1487​
With Mistress Mabel Parr:
Jane Plantagenet, b. 1467​
With Mistress Anne Tuchet:
Constance Plantagenet, b. 1474​
Margaret Plantagenet, b. 1477​
John Plantagenet, b. 1481​


Edmund, Duke of Clarence, Earl of Rutland and Ulster, b. 1443 married to Marie of Brittany, b. 1444, d. 1477; relations with and later married to b) Lady Anne Butler, b. 1455

Edmund was never very fond of his Breton wife, and spent quite a lot of time at his estates in Ireland. That's where he met the lovely Anne Butler. She would become his mistress early in 1470 and give birth to their eldest son in December. He would establish her in his Irish holdings as Lady of the House shortly before being recalled to England for a few years. They would write extensive letters, and as soon as he could Edmund would return to Ireland (leaving behind a pregnant Marie of Brittany). Shortly after Marie's death, Edmund would wed Lady Anne. As a favor to his favorite brother, Edward would legitimize Edmund and Anne's eldest two children, though neither were allowed claim on Edmund's property. So, their eldest James was given Anne's father's title.
Due to Edmund's regular presence in Ireland, his children by Marie would be entrusted to George of Clarence, though in reality, George's wife Margaret would be the one doing the raising.

With Lady Mary:
Edward of Clarence, Duke of Clarence, b. 1464​
John of Clarence, Earl of Rutland, b. 1466​
Mary of Clarence, b. 1473​
With Lady Anne (legitimized):
James Plantagenet, Earl of Ormond, b. 1470​
Cecily Plantagenet, b. 1476​
With Lady Anne (legitimate):
Elizabeth of Ulster, b. 1479​
Thomas of Ulster, Earl of Ulster, b. 1481​
William of Ulster, b. 1483​
Joan of Ulster, 1488​
Anne of Ulster, b. 1491​


George, Duke of Bedford, b. 1449 married to Lady Margaret Beaufort, b. 1443 with no issue; relations with Helen Parks, b. 1445; relations with Lady Joyce Percy; relations with Elizabeth Woodville, b. 1437

Frustrated with his barren wife, George cycled through several mistresses (Helen was the daughter of a merchant and Joyce was a distant cousin of the Earl of Northumberland) before settling on the beautiful Elizabeth Woodville as his long-term mistress. (Many believe Elizabeth was chosen since she was the one to bear him a son). Unfortunately for George, his wife Margaret would outlive him, and he would not be offered the opportunity to remarry.

With Mistress Helen:
Cecily Plantagenet, b. 1469​
With Lady Joyce:

Catherine Plantagenet, b. 1470​

With Lady Elizabeth:
George Plantagenet, b. 1471​
Jacquetta Plantagenet, b. 1473​
Edward Plantagenet, b. 1476​
Francis Plantagenet, b. 1478​


Richard, Duke of Gloucester, b. 1452 married to Lady Anne Neville, b. 1456; relations with Alice Burgh, b. 1443; relations with Katherine Huate, b. 1452

Unlike his brothers, Richard of Gloucester would remain faithful to his wife Anne; his bastard children having been born before his marriage. As such, neither Alice nor Katherine had great influence.
With Lady Anne:

Alice of Gloucester, b. 1474​
Richard of Gloucester, b. 1476, d. 1476​
Ralph of Gloucester, Duke of Gloucester, b. 1476​
Edward of Gloucester, Earl of Warrick, b. 1481​
With Mistress Alice:
John Plantagenet, b. 1468​
With Mistress Katherine:
Katherine Plantagenet, b. 1471​
 
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British Royal Family from (God Save these American States)

George (IV) Augustus Frederick Hanover-m(8-18-1790)-Princess Frederica Louise Wilhelmina Orange-Nassau
  • Duke of Mann Henry (Lionheart) Edward Augustus (Born 3/20/1792)-m(3/20/1816)-Anna Pavlovna Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov
    • Eleanor Augusta Duchess of Cambridge (Born 5/7/1817)
    • Anna Elizabeth Duchess of Sussex (Born 11-12-1819)
    • Charles Edward Frederck (Born 2/28/1820)
    • Elizabeth Anna (Born 4/21/22)
    • George Peter William (Born 10/31/1825)
    • Mary Williamina (Born 07/181829(
  • Richard (IV) William Edward (Born 10/10/1793)-m(10/10/1819)-Sophie of Sweden
    • Henry Edward Alexander (Born 7/8/1821)
    • Robert Albert William (Born 9/21/1824)
    • Alexandria Elizabeth (Born 5/30/1827)
  • Princess Emily Marie (Born 4/1/1796)
  • Princess Wilhelmina Amelia (Born 4/1/1796)
 
Like @FalconHonour I did a family tree for the Plantagenets in a world where Edmund of Rutland survives.

Here's my attempt at a family tree: The Plantagenets and the Many Mistresses. Let me know what you think :)

Edward IV, King of England, b. 1442, d. 1495 married firstly a) Marie de Foix, b. 1443, d. 1466; married secondly Mary of Scotland, b. 1453; relations with Mabel Parr, b. 1450; relations with Anne Tuchet, b. 1446

Edward IV has two main mistresses: Mabel and Anne. Mabel is the royal mistress through most of the 1460s. When Edward starts to loose interest she gets pregnant to try and keep his attention. It works for a few years and then she's married off. Anne comes to Edward's attention as a rather pretty widow without children: the ideal mistress in his mind. Anne kept his attention from early in the 1470s till his death in 1495.

With Queen Mary (first wife):
Edward of Wales, b. 1463, d. 1476​
Elinor of York, b. 1467​
With Queen Mary (second wife):
Edmund I, King of England, b. 1470​
Richard of York, Duke of York, b. 1473​
Margaret of York, b. 1476​
Cecily of York, b. 1482​
William of York, Duke of Bedford, b. 1487​
With Mistress Mabel Parr:
Jane Plantagenet, b. 1467​
With Mistress Anne Tuchet:
Constance Plantagenet, b. 1474​
Margaret Plantagenet, b. 1477​
John Plantagenet, b. 1481​


Edmund, Duke of Clarence, Earl of Rutland and Ulster, b. 1443 married to Marie of Brittany, b. 1444, d. 1477; relations with and later married to b) Lady Anne Butler, b. 1455

Edmund was never very fond of his Breton wife, and spent quite a lot of time at his estates in Ireland. That's where he met the lovely Anne Butler. She would become his mistress early in 1470 and give birth to their eldest son in December. He would establish her in his Irish holdings as Lady of the House shortly before being recalled to England for a few years. They would write extensive letters, and as soon as he could Edmund would return to Ireland (leaving behind a pregnant Marie of Brittany). Shortly after Marie's death, Edmund would wed Lady Anne. As a favor to his favorite brother, Edward would legitimize Edmund and Anne's eldest two children, though neither were allowed claim on Edmund's property. So, their eldest James was given Anne's father's title.
Due to Edmund's regular presence in Ireland, his children by Marie would be entrusted to George of Clarence, though in reality, George's wife Margaret would be the one doing the raising.

With Lady Mary:
Edward of Clarence, Duke of Clarence, b. 1464​
John of Clarence, Earl of Rutland, b. 1466​
Mary of Clarence, b. 1473​
With Lady Anne (legitimized):
James Plantagenet, Earl of Ormond, b. 1470​
Cecily Plantagenet, b. 1476​
With Lady Anne (legitimate):
Elizabeth of Ulster, b. 1479​
Thomas of Ulster, Earl of Ulster, b. 1481​
William of Ulster, b. 1483​
Joan of Ulster, 1488​
Anne of Ulster, b. 1491​


George, Duke of Bedford, b. 1449 married to Lady Margaret Beaufort, b. 1443 with no issue; relations with Helen Parks, b. 1445; relations with Lady Joyce Percy; relations with Elizabeth Woodville, b. 1437

Frustrated with his barren wife, George cycled through several mistresses (Helen was the daughter of a merchant and Joyce was a distant cousin of the Earl of Northumberland) before settling on the beautiful Elizabeth Woodville as his long-term mistress. (Many believe Elizabeth was chosen since she was the one to bear him a son). Unfortunately for George, his wife Margaret would outlive him, and he would not be offered the opportunity to remarry.

With Mistress Helen:
Cecily Plantagenet, b. 1469​
With Lady Joyce:

Catherine Plantagenet, b. 1470​

With Lady Elizabeth:
George Plantagenet, b. 1471​
Jacquetta Plantagenet, b. 1473​
Edward Plantagenet, b. 1476​
Francis Plantagenet, b. 1478​


Richard, Duke of Gloucester, b. 1452 married to Lady Anne Neville, b. 1456; relations with Alice Burgh, b. 1443; relations with Katherine Huate, b. 1452

Unlike his brothers, Richard of Gloucester would remain faithful to his wife Anne; his bastard children having been born before his marriage. As such, neither Alice nor Katherine had great influence.
With Lady Anne:

Alice of Gloucester, b. 1474​
Richard of Gloucester, b. 1476, d. 1476​
Ralph of Gloucester, Duke of Gloucester, b. 1476​
Edward of Gloucester, Earl of Warrick, b. 1481​
With Mistress Alice:
John Plantagenet, b. 1468​
With Mistress Katherine:
Katherine Plantagenet, b. 1471​
Who marries Isabel Neville here?
 
@FalconHonour's tree from the same prompt has Isabel marrying Henry Stafford. (That's what @CaptainShadow quoted) But for my tree, I'm not sure yet. Any suggestions?
Remember reading a Lancastrian victory TL (George and Edward IV killed at Tewkesbury, her dad survives) where she wound up married to Jasper Tudor. And another where George also dies somehow and she gets married to Antony Wydeville. But I'm guessing neither of those is possible here
 
I can't see Warrick sending either of his daughters to a nunnery, when he could gain political clout from a marriage.
Ttl he's got all the political clout one could reasonably have, heck he probably ends up a duke as well and his neices are likely to take the places of the Woodville girls ttl, and if sending one daughter means he's able to have a *royal* duke as son in law......well not feeling him not doing it. Edward likely insists on it anyway.

But if you really want Isabel to make a political match, James III could a negotiated for especially if the Yorks manage to consolidate even earlier than OTL. George Neville is as above a possibility, or 3rd Shrewsbury. She may even be used as a proxy to continental lords.
 
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