Except he can't. He can stop her from inheriting Aragon, but he can't stop her from getting Castile.
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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Edward VI arranges Elizabeth, to marry Barnaby Fitzpatrick
Edward VI arranges for his older sister Elizabeth to marry his best friend prior to his death. I have no idea how this would affect things, but would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wanted. I have left the boys titles' blank because I have no idea whether Edward would name Elizabeth's children as his heirs over Jane Grey here or not... @The_Most_Happy @VVD0D95 @Cate13
Elizabeth, Marchioness of Clarence (b.1533) m. 1552 Barnaby Fitzpatrick, Marquess of Clarence (b.1535)
1) Margaret (b.1554)
2) Edward (b.1557)
3) Stillborn son (1559)
4) Cecily (1560-1562)
5) Miscarriage (1562)
6) George (b.1564)
7) Anne (b.1567)
Elizabeth, Marchioness of Clarence (b.1533) m. 1552 Barnaby Fitzpatrick, Marquess of Clarence (b.1535)
1) Margaret (b.1554)
2) Edward (b.1557)
3) Stillborn son (1559)
4) Cecily (1560-1562)
5) Miscarriage (1562)
6) George (b.1564)
7) Anne (b.1567)
Well IOTL he tried to switched Charles with Ferdinand of Austria, here he can try to delegitimize his wife's own ruling and put himself and later his son in their half-siblings's place and there could be as much support for it as it was for Ferdinand of Austria plan, in addition France would be fully on board with it, since realization of it would make Habsburgs anti-Spain and that is in French interests.
He absolutely would, he was a raging misogynist and IOTL wanted to name only sons of Jane Grey heirs and stopped only when he realized he'd die before Jane would get any, and he had no valid excuse to put Mary out of succesion, but not Elizabeth, here he can claim that women can transmit right to the throne but can't inherit themselves so Edward Fitzpatrick is his closest male relative and thus his heir.
Oh Elizabeth’s sons are definirelt in the succession here and will likelt be confirmed as heirs by him
Elizabeth marries Robert Dudley and 1580 Francis of Anjou
Elizabeth I of England m. 1552 [1] Robert Dudley d. 1579 (a) [2] m. 1580 Francis of Anjou d. 1584 (b) [3]
1a. Edward VII of England b. 1552 m. Margaret of Valois b. 1553
2a. Anne b. 1553 m. Henry III of Navarre b. 1553 [4]
3a. miscarriage
4a. Elizabeth b. 1556 m. Rudolf II b. 1552
5a. stillborn
6a. Margaret b. 1558 m. Sebastian I b. 1554
7a. Agnes b. 1559 m. Edward Seymour b. 1561 [5]
8a. miscarriage
9a. Alice b. 1562 m. Charles Emmanuel b. 1562
10a. miscarriage
11b. stillborn
12b. Francis III of France b. 1580 m. Catherine Renata of Austria b. 1576
13b. miscarriage
[1] She copied her aunt, Mary Queen of France, by secretly eloping with Robert and then informing her brother. The couple paid a fine, but he let them be otherwise.
[2] Amy Robsart died due to a miscarriage instead of falling down some stairs and Robert Dudley is never suspected of killing her so he and Elizabeth are safe enough to marry.
[3] Due to marrying Elizabeth, Anjou stays in England and never goes to the Netherlands, but he still ends up dying of a random disease.
[4] Naturally he never becomes king of France ITTL
[5] Scandalous love match
Why are most of the matches Catholic, you ask?
...tbh I don't know
1a. Edward VII of England b. 1552 m. Margaret of Valois b. 1553
2a. Anne b. 1553 m. Henry III of Navarre b. 1553 [4]
3a. miscarriage
4a. Elizabeth b. 1556 m. Rudolf II b. 1552
5a. stillborn
6a. Margaret b. 1558 m. Sebastian I b. 1554
7a. Agnes b. 1559 m. Edward Seymour b. 1561 [5]
8a. miscarriage
9a. Alice b. 1562 m. Charles Emmanuel b. 1562
10a. miscarriage
11b. stillborn
12b. Francis III of France b. 1580 m. Catherine Renata of Austria b. 1576
13b. miscarriage
[1] She copied her aunt, Mary Queen of France, by secretly eloping with Robert and then informing her brother. The couple paid a fine, but he let them be otherwise.
[2] Amy Robsart died due to a miscarriage instead of falling down some stairs and Robert Dudley is never suspected of killing her so he and Elizabeth are safe enough to marry.
[3] Due to marrying Elizabeth, Anjou stays in England and never goes to the Netherlands, but he still ends up dying of a random disease.
[4] Naturally he never becomes king of France ITTL
[5] Scandalous love match
Why are most of the matches Catholic, you ask?
...tbh I don't know
Wouldn’t Edward marry her to someone higher like the Dudley family?
Well, yes, except that if Edward dies as OTL, no one will know that Elizabeth's first pregnancy will be a girl. And she won't have Edward yet. If Edward died in 1558 instead of 1553, I'd absolutely agree with you, but if he dies in 1553??
Barnaby was one of Edward's most trusted courtiers, and he and Elizabeth could basically rule Ireland for the Tudors. And don't forget that Edward saw Elizabeth as a bastard, even if she was his favourite, loyal sister. From that perspective, to marry Elizabeth to a Baron would be respectable, never mind a Marquess - I'm assuming Barnaby gets the nice new shiny title as a wedding gift.
I see far likelier Elizabeth marrying Robert Dudley (instead of Amy Robsart) with or without Edward VI‘s consent
Oh, I agree, but it's been done so many times before that I wanted something diferent...
Fair enough.
A strong Tudor presence in Ireland could definitely work.
If Elizabeth is pregnant as his Healy starts to decline and if he manages to inherit Henry VIII’s self delusion, Edward would probably leave a will naming Elizabeth’s unborn son as his heir.
Then when the child is born a girl things would be very interesting.
That's what I'm thinking. Does an infant girl secure her position as heiress, or at least her mother's? Or does Mary manage to secure her place as Queen? And which will is more important - Henry's or Edward's?
The delay that the pregnancy buys Elizabeth I think would be enough for her to gain support for her claim. OTL Elizabeth supported Mary, but with a baby that is a challenger to Mary’s claim I could see Elizabeth working the system.
also, in non monarchical English inheritance there wasn’t a preference for age order, so that’s going for Elizabeth.
Also, Edward might act sooner on setting up his will if Elizabeth and Barnaby’s marriage galvanizes him to act. And if he acts sooner he might be able to get his will through parliament at which point it would supersede Henry’s will.
Ooh. I hadn't thought of that. Good point. So Elizabeth per the terms of Edward's will, then her son Edward after her, with George as Barnaby's heir as Marquess of Clarence, if not Duke of York as well. Poor Mary will probably end up in the Tower at some stage...
I think German and Scandinavian matches will be likely Elizabeth's children, although Anne may end up married to James VI, given how close they are in age...
Keeping union with Castile with Habsburgs out of power..
Yeah, but the question was if he'd be willing to do so and his OTL personality and actions screams that he would.
Thriving Hungarian-Bohemian Jagiellons:
Thriving Hungarian-Bohemian Jagiellons:
Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia 1471, King of Hungary 1490, m. a) Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1488) b) Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508)
1a) Wenceslaus (1482-1484)
2a) Vladislaus III (1483-1525) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1516, m. Elizabeth of Palatinate (1483-1522)
3a) Elizabeth (1486-1545) m. John (1468-1532) Elector of Saxony
4a) Barbara (1488)
* Children of Sigismund the Old and Catherine of Mecklenburg
** Son of George the Bearded
Vladislaus II (1456-1516) King of Bohemia 1471, King of Hungary 1490, m. a) Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1488) b) Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508)
1a) Wenceslaus (1482-1484)
2a) Vladislaus III (1483-1525) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1516, m. Elizabeth of Palatinate (1483-1522)
1) Stephen VI (1505-1536) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1525, m. Mary of Austria (1505-1558)
2) Barbara (1507-1560) m. Ferdinand (1503-1564) Holy Roman Emperor
3) Margaret (1508-1589) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria
4) Elizabeth (1511)
5) Elizabeth (1513-1546) m. Sigismund II (1512-1569) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland*
6) Helena (1514-1561) m. Frederick (1504-1559) Duke of Saxony**
7) Louis II (1517-1569) King of Bohemia and Hungary 1536, m. Sophia of Poland (1521-1576)*
3a) Elizabeth (1486-1545) m. John (1468-1532) Elector of Saxony
1) John Frederick (1508-1542) Elector of Saxony, m. Sibylle of Cleves (1512-1554)
4a) Barbara (1488)
* Children of Sigismund the Old and Catherine of Mecklenburg
** Son of George the Bearded
Margarethe of Bavaria-Landshut (daughter of George the Rich)'s Hessian marriage goes through:
Margarethe of Bavaria-Landshut (b.1480) m: 1500 Wilhelm II, Landgrave of Hesse (1469-1509)
Margarethe of Bavaria-Landshut (b.1480) m: 1500 Wilhelm II, Landgrave of Hesse (1469-1509)
Wilhelm IV, Landgrave of Hesse (b.1502) m: 1523 Christine of Saxony (b.1505)
Wilhelm, Erbprinz of Hesse (b.1529)
Margarethe (b.1531)
Philipp (b.1533)
Barbara (b.1535)
Georg (1537)
Philipp (1504-1526)
Hedwig (b.1506) m: 1520 Johann, Erbprinz of Saxony (1498-1537)
Elisabeth (b.1523)
Johann (1525-1529)
Wilhelm (1527-1529)
Georg II, Elector of Saxony (b.1528)
Barbara (b.1530)
Karl (b.1531)
Stillborn Son (1535)
Margarethe (b.1507) m: ?
Heinrich (1508-1509)
@Jan Olbracht @Zygmunt Stary @isabella @VVD0D95 @Dr. Waterhouse
Elisabeth (b.1509) m: ?
Having Joanna of Castile remarry to someone like Gaston of Foix or the Duke of Calabria and have him disinherit her kids from the first marriage is more easier.