List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

Introduction Post
  • Similar to the "List alternate PMs or Presidents" this is a thread to post your own list of alternate monarchs of Kingdoms or aristocratic lineage of titles in a peerage.

    List can be as long or short as you like, with as many or as least foot note information that you would like to give. Also similar to the "LaPMoP" the list does not have to be based solely on an alternative event, it could be an analogy or could be slightly/completely ASB.

    They can be formatted into a bullet point list or into a family tree. I hope that these list will help the writers get ideas out that they haven't formed full time lines with and encourage others to look into expanding their knowledge on aristocratic lineage and candidate branches, as well as just the main stream royal families

    I know that it the last site, we had a "Monarch List" thread that turned into a game between people, who ended up posting make either a national hero or evil dictatorial villain, with numerous different people attributing to a single list.

    I have post this in "Before 1900" due to this is the period in which monarch and aristocratic titles were created, however similar to the "LaPMoP" you can go after this time, for example:
    In 1955, Winston Churchill accepts the offer of a Dukedom
    List of Dukes of London
    1955-1965: Winston Churchill, 1st Duke of London
    1965-1968: Randolph Churchill, 2nd Duke of London
    1968-2010: Winston Churchill, 3rd Duke of London
    2010- : Randolph Churchill, 4th Duke of London

    So without any more gassing, please begin posting.
    5 sons of Mary, Queen of Scots
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    Mary I Stuart (1542 – 1587)

    . Francis II Valois (1544 – 1560)

    . Francis III (1560 - ? )

    . Edward VI Tudor (1537 – 1562)

    . Henry IX (1562 - ? )

    . Henry Stewart (1545 – 1567)

    . James VI (1566-1625)

    . James Hepburn (1534 – 1578)

    . Adam (1568 - ? )

    . Patrick (1568 - ? )

    . Phillip II Hapsburg (1527 – 1598)

    . Phillip III (1571- ? )
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    Take 2: Mary, Queen of Scots has three sons who wear crowns
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    Mary I Stuart (1542 – 1587)

    . Francis II Valois (1544 – 1560)

    . Francis III (1560 - ? )

    . Edward VI Tudor (1537 – 1562)

    . Henry IX (1562 - ? )

    . Henry Stewart (1545 – 1567)

    . James VI (1566-1625)

    . James Hepburn (1534 – 1578)

    . Adam (1568 - ? )

    . Patrick (1568 - ? )

    . Phillip II Hapsburg (1527 – 1598)

    . Phillip III (1571- ? )

    You actually cannot have any but her firstborn son become King of Scotland. The entire appeal of Mary, Queen of Scots as a marriage prize was that her child by whomever married her was guaranteed at least Scotland (in the case of France if she only had female children) and most likely 2 thrones (in the case of Spain/England in a personal union) and possibly 3, once the Tudor line dies. It doesn't make sense to have what you have there, unless you James VI manages to stage a revolt from under his older brothers.

    What about this then:
    Mary I Stuart (1542 – 1587)

    . Francis II Valois (1544 – 1560)

    . Charles IX of France and I of Scotland (1560) M. Infanta Catherine Michelle of Spain (1567-1597)
    . Charles X of France and II of Scotland (1586- ? )
    . Francis (1587 - ? )
    . Henri (1588 - ? )
    . Maria (1560 - ? )
    . Isabella (1587 - ? )

    . Louis (1588 - ? )

    . Catherine (1560 - ? )

    . Edward VI Tudor (1537 – 1562)

    . Henry IX (1562) M. Elizabeth of Denmark (1567-1597)
    . Edward VII (1591- ? )
    . Elizabeth (1592– ?)
    . Margaret (1593– ?)
    . Mary (1595– ?)
    . Jane (8 July 1596- ?),
    . Henry (1597– ?)
    . John (1599– ?)
    . Frederick (1602– ?)
    . Christian (1609– ?)
    . Anna (19 May 1612)

    . Phillip II Hapsburg (1527 – 1598)

    . Phillip III (1571) M. Maria Anna of Bavaria (1574–1616)
    . Phillip (1601- ? )
    . Carlos (1603–1604)
    . Diego (1605– ?)
    . Ferdinand (1608– ?)
    . Maria (81610- ?),
    . Isabella (1611– ?)
    . Carlos (1616– ?)
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    Take 3: Mary, Queen of Scots, three sons of three different kingdoms
  • Ok so, in this timeline Anna of Austria dies after the birth of Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias. Secure with a somewhat healthy heir at this point, Philip manages to contract a marriage to the Queen of Scots. They marry in 1573.

    Mary, Queen of Scots (b.1542: d.1587) m. Francis II of France (b.1544: d.1562) (a), Edward VI of England (b.1537: d.1565) (b), Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (c)

    1a) Charles X of France, I of Scotland (b.1563: d.1609) m. Eleanor de' Medici (b.1567: d.1611) (a)

    1a) Marguerite de Valois (b.1585)

    2a) Francis IV of France, I of Scotland (b.1588)

    3a) Robert de Valois, Duke of Évreux and Ross (b.1590)

    4a) James de Valois (b.1593: d.1594)

    5a) Anne de Valois (b.1596)​

    2b) Edward Tudor, VII of England (b.1564: d.1603) m. Catherine Michelle of Spain (b.1567: d.1599) (a)

    1a) Mary Tudor (b.1587)

    2a) Elizabeth Tudor (b.1588)

    3a) Edward Tudor, VIII of England (b.1589)

    4a) Miscarriage (c.1591)

    5a) Margaret Tudor (b.1593: d.1593)

    6a) Henry Tudor, Duke of York (b.1595)

    7a) Anne Tudor (b.1596: d.1599)

    8a) Miscarriage (c.1597)​

    3b) Margaret Tudor (b.1565: d.1566)

    4c) Philip III of Spain (b.1575: d.1643) m. Maria Anna of Bavaria (b.1574: d.1616) (a)

    1a) Catherine Eugenia of Spain (b.1599)

    2a) Miscarriage (c.1601)

    3a) Philip IV of Spain (b.1602)

    4a) Ferdinand of Spain (b.1605: d.1606)

    5a) Isabella Michelle of Spain (b.1606)

    6a) Miscarriage (c.1607)

    7a) Joanna of Spain (b.1609: d.1622)

    8a) Charles of Spain (b.1611)

    9a) Maria Anna of Spain (b.1615)​

    5c) Diego of Spain (b.1576: d.1578)

    6c) Joanna of Spain (b.1579: d.1590)​
    Independent England and Scotland, before the First Union of the Crowns
  • The Imperial and Royal house of Great Britain and Ireland

    House of York-Plantagenet - England to First Union of the Crowns

    Edward IV (1461 to 1492) m Elizabeth Woodville
    Edward V (1492 to 1527) m Anne Duchess of Brittany
    Edward VI (1527 to 1548) m Margaret of Anjouleme
    Richard III (1548 to 1568) m 1) Elizabeth of Scotland 2) Eleanor Hapsburg of Brabant

    Edward IV survived his illness in 1483 to reign until his death in 1492. Edward V saw initial success in the War with France of 1509 however the collapse of the Duke of Brabant's advance into French territories saw English forces pushed back to the coast. A forced treaty supported by the Papacy saw English gains limited to retaining Calais, La Rochelle and Brittany. Edward VI's court became a centre of humanist and new learning in the 1530s due to the influence of the Queen. England's ties with Rome and good relations with Brabant saw an increased weakening of ties with Rome though the royal couple remained traditional in their relationship with the church. However greater demands for reform were made and the King intervened to limit the church's attacks on heretics.
    Richard III was largely educated by Thomas Crammer (he began life as an Oxford cleric before being appointed to chaplain to Queen Margaret rapidly rising to become first Bishop of London, then Lord Chancellor and Archbishop of York by 1547) and he was much closer in view to the Protestant thinking emenating from Germany and the Low Countries. Crammer's influence on Richard III was largely blamed for England's final breach with Rome - In 1549 Crammer guided legislation through Parliament establishing Richard as Head of the Church in England. Further reforms in 1550-1555 dissolved the monastic institutions and abolished the Papal supremacy. His marriage to Elizabeth of Scotland daughter of James V (died 1554) was relatively happy despite the Queen's traditional Catholicism. Her death in childbirth in 1554 in midst of the Royal Supremacy row was seen as hardening Richard's attitude. In 1557 Richard remarried to Eleanor daughter of the Duke of Brabant - the new Protestant Queen proved a loyal supporter of her husband's religious policies and was a keen promoter of education.

    Scotland to First Union of the Crowns.

    House of Stewart

    James IV (1488 to 1518) m Cecily of York
    James V (1518 to 1560) m Claude of France (dau of Louis XII)
    James VI (1560-67) m Agnes dau of Earl of Lennox
    Robert IV (1567-69) m Margaret dau of Duke of Bourbon

    James IV spent much of his reign in conflict with England and in alliance with France - after his death in 1518 control of his 15 year old son James V rested with his widow Queen Cecily who in two years restored relations with her English nephew resulting in a fresh peace treaty. James V remained on relatively good terms with his English uncle. During James V's reign he managed to exert strong control of the Scots nobility and parliament - his reign is regarded as a golden age of Royal Authority in Scots history and relative peace. James V's marriage to Claude of France in 1527 was happy despite her frequent miscarriages and poor health (she produced a daughter Elizabeth in 1530 and a son James in 1538) . His son James VI was initially a contented child but as he matured he became unbalanced, prone to mood swings and often short-tempered he fell under the influence of his distant cousin the Earl of Lennox as a teenager - his accession on his father's sudden death in 1560 prompted a succession crisis as many thought the King was too mentally unstable to produce a child - however Lennox managed to persuade the King to marry his own daughter Agnes in 1565 prompting an uprising by the Scots nobility. Lennox himself managed to crush the rebellion but the King was slowly sliding into insanity and he would die in 1567 without issue. The Scots were divided - Lennox and other leading peers favoured the legal heir Robert Duke of Albany grandson of James IV and nearest male heir and last surviving Stewart - also a devout Catholic. Scottish reformers and some of the southern nobility preferred the sixteen year old Prince of Wales - only son of James VI's sister Elizabeth Stewart. Lennox and his ally's won control and proclaimed Albany King as Robert IV - Richard III of England formally proclaimed his son as Edward I of Scotland and began to prepare for war. After Richard III's death the English army defeated Lennox's army at Norham in July 1569. Robert IV fled to France along with his wife and Edward was formally proclaimed King of Scots - though the Scots Parliament imposed stringent limits on his authority in the Act of Settlement (1569). Scots reformers were delighted with the change of monarch and hoped the King would move to end the country's ties to Rome.
    England & Scotland, 1st & 2nd Unions of the Crowns
  • First Union of the Crowns
    England and Scotland

    Edward VII and I (1568 to 1580)

    Notes: Edward was by nature moderate on religious matters and had no desire to change things radically. He married the Catholic Princess Beatriz of Portugal in 1572 against the advice of his step-mother. The Princess was permitted to retain her religion which proved deeply offensive to the Queen Dowager and many at the English Court. The situation was not helped by the Queen's failure to have a child. Scots reformers governed north of the border in his name and began the process of separating Scotland from the Papacy - resulting in several rebellions on behalf of the Catholic's who would toast "the king o'er the water" in reference to the exiled Robert IV. In 1580 the thirty year old King fell ill and died in November. His death prompted a fresh succession crisis.

    Edward's half-brother Henry Duke of Bedford was his heir in England and was duly proclaimed Henry VII. The scots succession was more complicated under the Act of Settlement his heir was his full sister the only other surviving child of Elizabeth of Scotland - Margaret of England (b1549) - Margaret had married 1) 1565 Charles Count of Flanders heir to the Duke of Brabant (d1568) she was married secondly (as part of a peace treaty with France) in 1572 to Henri Duke of Bourbon (cousin to the King of France and nephew of Robert IV of Scotland's wife) the couple had just one surviving son Charles. Catholic Scots rejoiced in Margaret's accession as she had formally converted on her French marriage.

    Monarch's following dissolution of Union


    Henry VII (1580 to 1619) (half brother of Edward VII) m Anne Plantagenet dau of 6th Duke of York
    Richard IV (1619 to 1630) m Anna of Sweden
    Henry VIII (1630 to 1660) m Anne I Queen of Scots
    Charles I (1660 to 1680)

    Henry VII was a gifted and intelligent man whose reign saw a growth in English development and the beginning of colonies in the new world - including the founding of the colony of New England and the town of Bedford in honour of the King's former title. However his son relied heavily on favourites especially his cousin Richard Earl of March (future 7th Duke of York) and Lord Henry Grey (youngest son of the 5th Duke of Exeter). He clashed frequently with ministers and entered a disastrous war with France in 1623 which saw England lose all her remaining French holdings.
    Richard had married in 1602 Princess Anna of Sweden but the couple were living separately by the time of his accession in 1619. Many courtiers looked to the Queen and her son the Prince of Wales and an alternative court had built up around them. Relations between the King and the Prince were appalling and had virtually collapsed by the time Prince Edward came of age in 1623. In 1626 Parliament began to exert pressure on the King who refused to dismiss advisors and continued to shower his friends and supporters with lands and titles often at the expense of others. The King's illness which is now thought to be some form of nervous breakdown probably saved him further humiliation. He was initially confined at Windsor in 1627 and died there in 1630. Power passed to the Prince of Wales who effectively became regent until his father's death.
    Henry VIII had initially been betrothed in childhood to his distant cousin Anne daughter of Charles I of Scotland - however her Catholic mother broke the match when Anne succeeded her father at just nine years old. The couple's marriage in the end did not take place until 1625 when the Scots Parliament imposed a raft of conditions on the English Prince of Wales.


    Margaret II (1580 to 1608) m Henri Duke of Bourbon
    Charles I(1608-12) m Marie Stuart dau of Robert IV Duke of Albany
    Anne I (1612 to 1665) m Henry VIII of England
    Charles I (1665 to 1680)

    Margaret II inherited a crown riven by dissent and a rival claimant in Robert IV. Although raised as a Protestant in the English Church she had formally converted to Catholicism on her marriage to the Duke of Bourbon. The Catholic Queen assured her subject of her continuing tolerance for Protestants despite pressure from her husband and the French King. Her weakness enabled her parliament to gain the upperhand forcing her to increasingly limit the ability of her Catholic subjects to worship in peace. A Catholic rising in 1598 in the name of Robert IV was brutally suppressed and the Queen found herself increasingly isolated. By 1600 her only child Charles was the real authority in the land - raised in the Catholic faith he was largely educated by Protestant tutors and formally embraced the Church of Scotland after coming of age in 1594. In 1600 he married Marie of Albany only surviving child of Robert IV - devoutly Catholic the marriage proved unhappy and produced only one child Anne. Charles determined to try and keep the Protestant ascendency relied on key Protestant ministers such as the Earl of Hamilton who in 1609 had arranged the betrothal of the Princess Anne to Henry Prince of Wales. Charles died in 1612 many accussed his wife of poisoning him but she claimed and was granted the regency - she promptly dismissed Hamilton and renounced the little Queen's betrothal to the English Prince. In 1615 she began negotiations to marry the Queen to the Dauphin of France despite English and Scots objections to the match. In 1618 the Scots rebelled again led by Lord Strathmore who managed to detain the Queen Dowager (who would be imprisoned in relative comfort for the next decade of her life) and declared the teenaged Queen Anne of age. in 1625 she finally married the Prince of Wales - with a raft of aggrements limiting the ability of the English King and Parliament to exercise authority in Scotland. Requiring the Queen to spend at least part of the year in Scotland (unless she was pregnant and unable to travel) etc. Despite this her marriage to Henry VIII proved a happy one.

    Second Union of the Crowns

    Charles I and II (1665 to 1680) m 1) Margaret of Denmark 2) Louise Charlotte dau of Francis IV of France
    Mary I (1680 to 1690) m Gaston IV Duke of Lorraine
    Elizabeth I (1690 to 1698) m Henry Plantagenet Duke of Gloucester


    Charles succeeded his parents to both their thrones. He delighted in art and architecture and completely refurbished several of his residences most notably the rebuilding of the Palace of Holyrood in Scotland and Whitehall in London. His childhood was marked with numerous betrothals to Protestant princesses across Northern Europe but war and conflict in the 1640s and 50s had limited his choices. In 1652 he finally married his distant cousin Princess Margaret of Denmark. However the Princess of Wales died in childbirth in 1657. Negotiations for him to marry a daughter of the King of Sweden had begun in 1659 but were dropped in 1660 after he ascended the throne of England. His mother had retired to Scotland giving him a free reign and in 1661 despite ministerial advice not to he married Louise Charlotte daughter of Francis IV of France. He gave guarantees his wife would not have to convert to the English church and agreed to renounce his claims to French territory. Louise was elegant and well educated and pious, many of her husband's courtiers including his own mother and sisters admired the new Queen - however Parliament and many others were appalled at the idea of a Catholic Queen. Her popularity floundered when she miscarried twice in the following three years. Their son Edward was finally born in 1670 but died in 1676.
    Charles lack of an heir prompted a crisis - his heirs were his sisters - Mary Duchess of Lorraine, Elizabeth Duchess of Gloucester and Catherine Countess of Flanders. Parliament favoured two solutions - the King should divorce the Queen and remarry if he refused then an exclusion bill must be passed through both Parliaments excluding Catholic heirs to ensure a Protestant succession (much favoured by the Scots who dreaded a repeat of the pro-Catholic rebellions of the 1590s). It was also helped that the Duchess of Gloucester was married to a Plantagenet distant cousin, lived in England, and was hugely popular - her older sister Mary had married the Duke of Lorraine and had lived abroad for more than 20 years. Charles himself dissolved both Parliaments in late 1678 before they could vote. He also invited his sister Mary and her husband to England to ensure if he died they would be on hand to succeed. His brother in law the Duke of Gloucester had been approached and urged to act against the King to ensure he and his wife succeeded on the King's death but he refused to allow the law to be distorted.
    A new Parliament in early 1679 formally issued "An Act of Settlement of the Succession to the Crown of England" (in Scotland it was simply a Bill To Settle the Succession to the Throne in the event of the death of His Majesty the King without lawful issue)
    The Act effectively named the Duchess of Lorraine heir in the event of the King's death, she was required to guarantee the Protestant faith, and that all heirs to the crown had to be raised in the Church of England or of Scotland. English troops could not be used to engage in the defence of the Duchy of Lorraine, in the event of her death without issue the crown would be lawfully settled on Elizabeth Duchess of Gloucester and her heirs.
    In 1680 Mary succeeded to both thrones (her husband renounced his Duchy of Lorraine to his half brother on her accession) - Parliament imposed further restrictions which Mary was forced to sign to avoid further conflict reducing the crown's ability to govern without Parliament.
    Her relationship with her younger sister was poor particularly after the death of Mary's only child in 1696 when Elizabeth was acknowledged as heiress presumptive.
    Union of the Parliaments - this had been attempted on numerous occassions first in 1665 the English Parliament had proposed a formal union which was rejected by the Scots, it was again proposed by Charles I and II in 1670 and 1674, The Scots Parliament proposed union again in 1690.
    Eventually in 1698 a joint proposal from a special committee proposed a new "Imperial" parliament by merging the two bodies into one (which would sit in alternate years in London and Edinburgh) - in 1698 the bill to abolish the two institutions and create a new British Parliament was passed (it would only sit in the Scots capital on one occasion) - the first Act of the new institution was to declare the monarch of England and Scotland to be Emperor of Great Britain.
    Emperors of Great Britain, Kings of Ireland
  • Emperors of Great Britain, Kings of Ireland

    House of Plantagenet

    Elizabeth I (1698 to 1710) m Henry Plantagenet Duke of Gloucester
    Charles II (1710 to 1747) (grandson of Elizabeth I) m Charlotte dau of Elector Palatine
    Edward VIII (1747 to 1790) m 1) Louise dau of King of Sweden m2) Margaret of Prussia
    Mary II (1790 to 1804) m John Prince of Denmark

    House of Oldenburg-Plantagenet

    Edward IX (1804 to 1824) m Helena dau of Duke of Nassau
    Charles III (1824 to 1833) m Augusta of Saxony
    Catherine I (1833 to 1897) m William Plantagenet Duke of Somerset (male line descendant of Henry second son of Edward VI)

    House of Plantagenet

    Edward X (1897 to 1906) m Elizabeth of Russia
    William III (1906 to 1940) m Margaret of Denmark
    Charles IV (1940 to 1961) m The Hon Elizabeth Seymour
    Catherine II (1961) m Prince Christian of Hesse cr Duke of Somerset

    Notes on the above:

    The 18th Century was marked by expansion of Britain's holdings in the Americas however during the late 18th C there was a significant decline in British influence due to poor harvests and civil disturbances. In 1820 the Danish King died and the claimants included Edward IX and his son Charles Prince of Wales - the King was willing to support his cousin Prince Christian of Sweden as the heir (he was the choice of the Danish Parliament but his claim was secondary to the British Emperor) but the Prince would renege on the deal on his accession and involve himself in a disastrous Northern War. The British eventually sued for defeat amidst serious riots at home due to falling prices and rising costs.
    Charles III also proved to be a reactionary at home - refusing to countenance further reforms in terms of enlarging the franchise or offering more domestic control to the colonies - riots broke out in British North America in the 1820s - with parts of the country virtually ungovernable - some even called for a republic - this hit trade and manufacturing at home and saw famine. In 1833 Parliament met and following weeks of fierce and violent debate - moderates in Parliament tried to persuade Charles to abdicate in favour of his eldest daughter he refused and eventually Parliament formally declared Charles III to be deposed - the Emperor was forcibly placed under house arrest at Whitehall along with his wife and four daughters. His eldest daughter Catherine just 11 years old was declared Queen and placed in the custody of her aunt the Princess Elizabeth Countess of Salisbury. Catherine would never see her father again - he would die in exile in 1867 in his wife's native Saxony. Parliament acted to suppress disorder and introduced a raft of legislation - liberating business, reducing for all time royal control, and extending the franchise. In terms of the colonies British North America was granted political independence with the establishment of a full colonial Parliament (initially established at Bedford in New England before being moved to the larger New York in 1845). The British Monarch now used the style granted in 1840 by Parliamentary Act - HIM Catherine, Empress of Great Britain, of North America, Ireland and her realms and territories beyond the seas Queen, Duchess of Brittany and Normandy.
    Catherine's long reign saw further expansion and the development of colonial interests in Africa and the Far East and although she had little political influence she remained deeply popular. Her grandson William III led the country through the Great War (1911 to 1919) and the end of colonial expansion - full independence to many of the country's colonial holdings throughout the 1930s. A referendum in North America in 1936 would narrowly result in the country retaining the British Monarch as sovereign instead of becoming a republic. A second referendum has long been discussed and it is largely thought the weakening of ties with Britain and the absorption of former colonies belonging to the French and Spanish Crowns mean a North American Republic is not far off despite the high level of popularity of the current monarch Catherine II who has frequently visited her North American Kingdom lastly in her Golden Jubilee year when she received a warm welcome. The current monarch Catherine II married a distant cousin Prince Christian of Hesse in 1950 but declared on her succession the name of the Royal House would remain that of Plantagenet (technically the longest reigning royal dynasty in Europe). Her Imperial Majesty celebrated her Golden Jubilee in 2011.
    Princess Augusta, Duchess of Brunswick, succeeds her father and grandfather
  • Monarchs of Great Britain
    1727-1737: George II (House of Hanover)
    00 1737: Frederick I (House of Hanover)
    1737-1755: Regency of Queen Augusta
    1755-1813: Augusta I (House of Hanover)
    1813-1843: Frederick II (House of Hohenzollern)
    1843-1850: George III (House of Hohenzollern)
    1850-1895: Frederick III (House of Hohenzollern)
    1895-1906: Frederick IV (House of Hohenzollern)
    1906-1939: Frederick V (House of Hohenzollern)
    1939-1981: Alexander I (House of Hohenzollern)
    1981-0000: Edward VI (House of Hohenzollern)

    Consorts of Great Britain
    1727-1737: Princess Caroline of Ansbach
    1737: Princess Augusta of Saxe-Gotha
    1737-1756: Vacant due to Regency
    1756-1813: Prince Augustus Ferdinand of Prussia
    1813-1843: Lady Elizabeth Sackville
    1843-1850: Vacant due to King George III being unwed
    1850-1883: Princess Marianne of the Netherlands
    1883-1895: Vacant due to Queen Marianne's death
    1895-1898: Princess Marie of Saxe-Altenburg
    1898-1906: Vacant due to Queen Marie's death
    1906-1939: Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna of Russia (Known as Queen Alexandria to the British Public)
    1939-1981: Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark
    1981-0000: Princess Désirée Elisabeth Sibylla of Sweden
    Hernando Cortes, dynasty head of House Painala
  • Basic scenario: The Tlaxcallans decide on remaining neutral instead of joining Hernando Cortes' burgeoning army of Spanish conquistadors and native allies. On a scenario not too dissimilar from the Night of Tears, Cortes' army is routed and forced to flee eastward to the lands of the Tarascan Empire. The Tarascan king is somewhat sympathetic to Cortes' cause as his people are rivals to the Aztecs but is cautious. He forces the conquistador to accept a deal: the Spanish will oblige their specialists to teach the Tarascans to fashion their own guns, steel swords and breed a few horses for the Tarascan ruler and the nobility. In exchange, the King promises to lead an army to subjugate the Aztecs. Cortes accepts.

    In the next two to three years, Tangaxuan's network of diplomats and spies builds a web of alliances between the Tarascan Empire and the kingdoms neighboring the Aztec Triple Alliance, minus the Tlaxcallans who are wary of war and do not wish to earn the ire of the Aztecs. In 1524, the newly trained Tarascan Army (with the Spanish conquistadors) mount an invasion and soon its allies follow suit. Many of the Aztec tributaries declare independence and switch their allegiance to Tangaxuan. Ill-prepared for a multi-front war, the Tarascan alliance is victorious despite heavy casualties earned during the siege of Tenochtitlan; many of those conquistadors. Montezuma is captured and executed.

    Most of Cortes' chief officers lie dead in battle and so the last tether to mother Spain is severed. Despite being offered the hand of Montezuma's daughter, he decides to marry the native woman Malinalli Tenepal, his lover and chief translator. He is granted by Lord Tangaxuan dominion over the coastal city of Painala and the surrounding districts; his spouse being a member of the former ruling dynasty provided much legitimacy to the former conquistador's reign. He would adopt the name of his newly adopted home; so his descendants would become known as the House of Painala and would rule for two centuries.

    Cacique of Painala
    1525-1543: Hernando I (House of Painala)
    1543-1578: Martin I (House of Painala)
    1578-1601: Juan I (House of Painala)
    1601-1613: Martin II (House of Painala)
    1613-1635: Esteban I (House of Painala)
    1635-1654: Hernando II (House of Painala)

    Tarascan rule by the 1650s had waned to the point that its tributaries were independent in all but name; the first to declare its independence from Tarascan dominion was the House of Painala. The opportunistic Hernando, with the assistance of Anglo-Burgundian privateers, conquered his neighbors and ruled an enlarged dominion that ruled over a million subjects. The capital was moved from Painala to the more prestigious port of Potonchan, once the home to Mayan lords. Hernando would convert from Roman Catholicism to Calvinism due to currying favor with the daughter of a privateer; it gave him the excuse to seize Church property for the Crown. The next three kings after him would become infamous for their ardent devotion to the Protestant faith; it would cost them the crown.

    King of Tlahuasco
    1654-1682: Hernando II (House of Painala)
    1682-1709: Johann I (House of Painala)
    1709-1732: Johann II (House of Painala)
    1732-1739: Johann III (House of Painala)

    The city of Potonchan was home to the largest Protestant community in the New World outside the lands dominated by European colonists. The unique flavor of Tlahuascan Calvinism was noted by Anglo-Burgundian missionaries. The Tlahuascan ministers who administered the mass were mostly locals, quite different from the colonies whose settler elite dominated all levels of society. However, the rest of the kingdom remained staunch Catholics and resisted efforts by the increasingly Europeanized monarchs and nobility to impose the Protestant faith on them.

    From the 1720s onwards, there were multiple Catholic rebellions against the Tlahuascan Crown. Johann III gained the moniker of "The Butcher" after he sent royal troops to the former royal capital of Painala, seized by Catholic rebels who refused to convert to the Protestant faith. Thousands were massacred, including innocent women and children. A few survived, among them Joaquin Chijpiriharikua, who would escape into the inner jungles for sanctuary from the royals.

    It was in the jungle that Joaquin would receive a vision from the Virgin Mary. Whether it was true or not, Joaquin would inspire thousands to raise up arms against the Painala monarchy. Through the use of hit and run tactics, Joaquin would seize control of plantation by plantation, acquiring guns, horses and extra manpower from the workforce, hurting the kingdom's economy. The monarchy would eventually fall in 1739 when the rebels captured Painala. The nobility and Johann III's family would find sanctuary in London, while Johann III stayed behind to be captured. He was executed just after Joaquin was proclaimed by the people as the new King of Tlahuasco.

    1739-1793: Joaquin I (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1793-1820: Joaquin II (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1820-1851: Joaquin III (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1851-1867: Felipe I (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1867-1891: Pedro I (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1891-1935: Pedro II (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1935-1942: Felipe II (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1942-1969: Joaquin IV (House of Chijpiriharikua)
    1969-now: Maria I (House of Chijpiriharikua-Acachto)
    Rakoczi dynasty as King of Great Britain
  • This thread seems perfectly usable and I wanted to do my own spin on an idea I found interesting a while back - Mipp's concept of a Rakoczi dynasty in Great Britain. With the main difference just being King Fred marrying a different niece of the Earl of Arlington (and he seems more likely to be chosen as king if he does have some reasonably early heirs floating around).
    Henriette Marie of the Palatinate (b. 1626: d. 1660) m. Sigismund Rakoczi (b. 1622: d. 1652) (a)​
    1a) Frederick I Sigismund of the United Kingdom (b. 1652: d. 1717) m. Isabella Carr (b. 1669: d. 1692) (a)​
    1a) Isabella Rakoczi (b. 1688: d. 1710) m. Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia (b. 1688: d. 1740) (a)​
    1a) Frederick Sigismund of Prussia (b. 1707: d. 1708)
    2a) Frederica Isabella of Prussia (b. 1709: d. 1758)
    3a) Stillborn boy (c. 1710)​
    2a) William IV of the United Kingdom (b. 1690: d. 1722) m. Louise Albertine of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Beck (b. 1694: d. 1773) (a)​
    1a) Isabella Rakoczi (b. 1715: d. 1791)
    2a) William V Frederick of the United Kingdom (b. 1717: d. 1779)
    3a) Henry Rakoczi (b. 1718: d. 1718)
    4a) Henrietta Rakoczi (b. 1719: d. 1723)
    5a) John Henry Rakoczi, Duke of York (b. 1720: d. 1804)
    6a) Louise Rakoczi (b. 1721: d. 1723)
    7a) Sigismund Rakoczi, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1723: d. 1759)​
    3a) Elizabeth Rakoczi (b. 1692: d. 1693)
    4a) Emily Catherine Rakoczi (b. 1693: d. 1757) m. Christian Ludwig II, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1683: d. 1756) (a)​
    1a) Frederick II, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1716: d. 1784)
    2a) Ulrike Catherine of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1722: d. 1812)
    3a) Louis of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1724: d. 1777)
    4a) Stillborn girl (c. 1729)
    5a) Emily of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (b. 1731: d. 1774)​
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    Ali Pasha of Ioannina‘s Greek Kingdom
  • Basic scenario: Ali Pasha of Ioannina is persuaded by his advisors not to switch sides to the British and instead demand the French for his own slice of the Ottoman Empire: continental Greece. Ali Pasha's realm joins the Corsican colonel's Continental System and musters his army to prepare for an invasion and dismemberment of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire is, to put it mildly, very ill-prepared for a multi-front war and quickly succumbs to the combined Russo-French-Albanian armies. The Ottoman Sultan is captured and forced to come to terms: they were harsh.

    Constantinople and the surrounding territories are ceded to the Russian Tsar. Crete goes under French rule while the remaining islands are divided amongst the French protectorates of Samos, Rhodes and Naxos, ruled by local Greek potentates friendly to Napoleonic hegemony. The Illyrian Provinces incorporate the Ottoman province of Bosnia and becomes an autonomous South Slavic kingdom. Pro-Russian puppet rulers are installed in Serbia, Bulgaria, Wallachia and Moldovia. Cyprus was to be made a puppet state and given to one of Napoleon's marshals but the British seized control of it before French troops could land and take the island from the Ottoman garrison. Kicked out of Europe, Ottoman rule in North Africa and the Middle East would eventually collapse, leaving a multitude of weak states seeking favors from Napoleon to protect themselves from an ascendant Egypt.

    Ali Pasha moves the capital of his expanded realm to Thessalonica. His rule gives mixed reactions amongst his new subjects. Although the Greeks are glad to be rid of the Ottomans, some wonder if much has changed with a Muslim Albanian lording over them; the anti-Ali faction lobby Napoleon to overthrow Ali and install his son as King. Napoleon ignores them as he's busy solidifying French hegemony in Europe to care about the concerns of a few Greeks. Others are much more appreciative of Ali's efforts to make Greece great again, such as his transformation of Thessalonica into a city that would eventually rival Vienna and Paris as an educational and cultural mecca.

    King of Greece
    1810-1835: Ali I (House of Tepelenlis)
    1835-1842: Mahmud I (House of Tepelenlis)

    Mahmud, Ali's eldest son by his favored Greek concubine Kyra Vassiliki, inherited the Greek throne. His short rule was marked by the continuation of his father's policies to expand Thessalonica and turn it into something worthy of envy. Mahmud attempted to bridge the religious divides in his kingdom by creating a a synthesis between the predominately Muslim landowning class and the Christian mercantile elite without much success. In terms of foreign policy, he was cautious and declared neutrality during the Crimean War between France and Russia: it would be his downfall. Napoleon II gave his tacit support to the Greeks overthrowing Mahmud and replacing him with his younger brother.

    Although he was officially a Muslim, Ibrahim was a practicing Orthodox Christian like his mother. It was part of the reason why he gained the throne; he offered to baptize his children and raise them as proper Christians in exchange for recognizing him as King.

    1842-1876: Ibrahim/Avraam I (House of Tepelenlis)
    1876-1891: Ibrahim/Avraam II (House of Tepelenlis)
    1891-1904: Avraam III (House of Tepelenlis)
    1904-1930: Alexander I (House of Tepelenlis)
    1930-1934: Constantine I (House of Tepelenlis)*

    The Tepelenlis are overthrown by Equalist elements in the army. A people's republic is declared. The reigning monarch Constantine is offered the chance of exile in Paris or execution. He chose exile; the coup plotters decide to execute him and most o the royal family. Greece remains under Equalist rule until the 1970s: monarchists demand the restoration of the Tepenlenlis but the surviving scion Alexander II refuses, preferring a quiet life of retirement in France. Greece becomes a democracy.
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    Edward VI of England marries Elisabeth de Valois
  • Edward VI of England (b.1537: d.1561) m. Elisabeth de Valois (b.1545: d.1588) (a)

    1a) Jane I of England (b.1560: d.1622) m. James VI of Scotland (b.1566: d.1625) (a)

    1a) Margaret Stuart (b.1584: d.1611) m. Christian IV of Denmark (b.1577: d.1648) (a)

    1a) Frederick of Denmark (b.1601: d.1627)

    2a) Christian of Denmark (b.1603: d.1604)

    3a) Stillborn Son (c.1604)

    4a) Elisabeth of Denmark (b.1605: d.1614)

    5a) Miscarriage (c.1607)

    6a) Stillborn Son (c.1608)

    7a) Sophie of Denmark (b.1610: d.1611)
    2a) Elizabeth Stuart (b.1585: d.1586)

    3a) Charles I of England and Scotland (b.1587: d.1630) m. Dorothea of Saxony (b.1591: d.1617) (a), Christine Marie of France (b.1606: d.1663) (b)

    1b) Mary Stuart (b.1622: d.1699) m. Philip IV of Spain (b.1605: d.1665) (a)

    1a) Maria Eugenia of Spain (b.1641: d.1649)

    2a) Charles II of Spain (b.1644: d.1670) m. Catherine Stuart (b.1653: d.1699) (a)

    1a) Philip V of Spain (b.1669) m. Maria Anna of Neuburg (b.1667: d.1740) (a)

    1a) Michelle I of Spain (b.1696)

    2a) Catherine Eugenia of Spain (b.1698)​
    3a) Miscarriage (c.1647)

    4a) Ferdinand of Spain (b.1651: d.1652)

    5a) Margaret Isabella of Spain (b.1654: d.1660)​
    2b) Charles II of England and Scotland (b.1625) m. Mariana of Austria (b.1634: d.1696) (a)

    1a) Henry Stuart, Prince of Wales (b.1652: d.1659)

    2a) Catherine Stuart (b.1653:d.1699) m. Charles II of Spain (b.1644: d.1670) (a)

    1a) Philip V of Spain (b.1669: d.1700) m. Maria Anna of Neuburg (b.1667: d.1740) (a)

    1a) Michelle I of Spain (b.1696)

    2a) Catherine Eugenia of Spain (b.1698)​
    3a) James I of England, VII of Scotland (b.1661: d.1702) m. Marie Louise of Orléans (b.1662: d.1689) (a), Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici (b.1667: d.1743) (b)

    1a) Mary II of England and Scotland (b.1681: d.1748) m. William of Hesse-Kassel (b.1682: d.1760) (a)

    1a) Henry X of England, I of Scotland (b.1708)

    2a) Miscarriage (c.1710)

    3a) Jane Stuart, Princess Royale (b.1711)

    4a) Catherine Stuart (b.1713)

    5a) Stillborn Son (c.1714)

    6a) John Stuart, Duke of Clarence and Ross (b.1717)

    7a) Miscarriage (c.1719)

    8a) Eleanor STuart (b.1722)​
    3b) Louisa Maria Stuart (b.1628: d.1650) m. Ernest Augustus, Elector of Brunswick-Lüneburg (b.1629: d.1698) (a)

    1a) Elisabeth Augusta of Hanover (b.1650: d.1669)
    4b) Stillborn Son (c.1630)
    4a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1588)

    5a) William Stuart, 1st Duke of York and Albany (b.1589: d.1610) m. Arabella Stuart (b.1575: d.1615) (a)

    1a) James Stuart, 2nd Duke of York and Albany (b.1608: d.1669) m. Elizabeth Howard (c.1610: d.1640) (a)

    1a) Miscarriage (c.1635)

    2a) Ursula Stuart (b.1638)

    3a) Thomas Stuart, 3rd Duke of York and Albany (b.1639: d.1698) m. Amalia of Nassau-Dietz (b.1653: d.1709) (a)

    1a) Theresa Stuart (b.1676)

    2a) Agnes Stuart (b.1680)

    3a) Albertine Stuart (b.1682)

    4a) Sophia Stuart (b.1685)​
    2a) Edward Stuart, 1st Earl of Lincoln (b.1610: d.1649) m. Catherine Russell (c.1620: d.1680) (a)

    1a) Miscarriage (c.1642)

    2a) Grace Stuart (b.1646) m. Thomas Butler, 6th Earl of Ossory (b.1634: d.1665) (a), William III, Prince of Orange (b.1650: d.1702) (b)

    1a) Edmund Butler, 2nd Duke of Ormonde (b.1663)

    2a) Eleanor Butler (b.1664)

    3a) Richard Butler, 2nd Earl of Lincoln (b.1665)

    4b) Miscarriage (c.1669)

    5b) William IV, Prince of Orange (b.1675)​
    6a) Stillborn Son (c.1594)

    7a) Sophia Stuart (b.1598: d.1601)​
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    Lionel of Antwerp has a posthumous son by Violante Visconti
  • Lionel of Antwerp, 1st Duke of Clarence (b. 1338: d. 1368) m. [Elizabeth de Burgh (b. 1332: d. 1363) (a)] Violante Visconti (b. 1354: d. 1386) (b)

    2b) King Galahad I of England and Milan (b. 1369: d. 1440) m. Elizabeth de Ros (b. 1367: d. 1424) (a)

    1a) Beatrice of England (b. 1388: d. 1401)

    2a) John of England (b. 1390: d. 1390)

    3a) John of England (b. 1391: d. 1391)

    4a) Elizabeth of England (b. 1394: d. 1452) m. Thomas Montacute, 4th Earl of Salisbury (b. 1388: d. 1428)

    1a) Elizabeth Montacute, 5th Countess of Salisbury (b. 1415: d. 1470) m. Richard of York, 3rd Duke of York (b. 1411: d. 1460) (a)

    1a) Elizabeth of York (b. 1438: d. 1511)

    2a) Galahad of York, 4th Duke of York (b. 1439: d. 1479)

    3a) Edward of York (b. 1440: d. 1484)

    4a) Anne of York (b. 1446: d. 1512)

    5a) Maud of York (b. 1450: d. 1512)

    6a) Edmund of York (b. 1451: d. 1477)

    7a) Mary of York (b. 1452: d. 1514)
    5a) Galahad of England (b. 1395: d. 1414)

    6a) Nicholas I of England and Milan (b. 1396: d. 1448) m. Marie of Harcourt (b. 1398: d. 1476)

    1a) Elizabeth of England and Milan (b. 1416: d. 1474) m. Louis of Luxembourg (b. 1418: d. 1475) (a)

    1a) John of Luxembourg (b. 1452: d. 1516)

    2a) Eleanor of Luxembourg (b.1453: d. 1538)
    2a) Galahad II of England and Milan (b. 1428: d. 1470) m. Catherine de Valois (b. 1428: d. 1446) (a) Adelaide of Tecklenburg (b. 1435: d. 1477) (b)

    1b) Galahad III of England and Milan (b. 1454: d. 1470)

    2b) Nicholas, Duke of Aumale (b. 1456: d. 1463)

    3b) John II of England and Milan (b. 1458: d. 1500)

    4b) Henry, Duke of Exeter (b. 1459: d. 1492)

    5b) Edward, Duke of Brescia (b. 1460: d. 1526)

    6b) Mary of England and Milan (b. 1468: d. 1505)

    7b) Blanche of England and Milan (b. 1469: d. 1505)

    8b) Otto, Duke of Surrey (b. 1470: d.1500)

    9b) Joan of England and Milan (b. 1471: d. 1522)
    3a) John, Duke of Pavia (b. 1429: d. 1473) m. Joan de Vere (b. 1433: d. 1471) (a)

    1a) Elizabeth of Pavia (b. 1461: d. 1518)

    2a) Catherine of Pavia (b. 1462: d. 1500)

    3a) Nicholas, 2nd Duke of Pavia (b. 1464: d. 1487)

    4a) Galahad of Pavia (b. 1465: d. 1522)

    5a) John of Pavia (b. 1466: d. 1492)

    6a) George of Pavia (b. 1467: d. 1492)
    4a) Henry, Duke of Ireland (b. 1431: d. 1505) m. Cecilia Gonzaga (b. 1451: d. 1472) (a)

    1a) Frederick, 2nd Duke of Ireland (b. 1471 d. 1514)
    5a) Mary of England and Milan (b. 1433: d. 1455) m. Afonso V, King of Portugal (b. 1432: d. 1481) (a)

    1a) Infante Joao of Portugal (b. 1453: d. 1453)
    7a) Yolanda of England (b. 1398: d. 1413)

    8a) Thomas of England, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1400: d. 1427) m. Joan de Cherleton, 6th Lady of Powys (b. 1400: d. 1425) (a)

    1a) Hugh, 2nd Duke of Gloucester (b. 1418: d. 1450) m. Eleanor Bourchier (b. 1417: d. 1474) (a)

    1a) Hugh, 3rd Duke of Gloucester (b. 1447: d. 1479)
    2a) Thomas of Greenwich (b. 1424: d. 1481) m. Elizabeth Stapleton (b. 1440: d. 1502) (a)

    1a) Thomas, 1st Baron Blackheath (b. 1478: d. 1502)
    9a) Beatrice of England and Milan (b. 1403: d. 1462) m. John IV, Duke of Brabant (b. 1403: d. 1427) (a)

    1a) Anne of Brabant (b. 1425: d. 1481) m. Charles I of Baden (b. 1427: d. 1475)

    1a) Anne of Baden (b. 1451: d. 1486)

    2a) Juliana of Baden (b. 1452: d. 1503)

    3a) Beatrice of Baden (b. 1454: d. 1497)

    4a) Christopher I of Baden (b. 1455: d. 1529)

    5a) Albert of Baden (b. 1458: d. 1490)

    6a) Frederick of Baden (b. 1460: d. 1519)
    2a) Waleran of Brabant (b. 1427: d. 1484) m. Pauline de Brosse (b. 1450: d. 1479) (a) Isabella of Balzo (b. 1465: d. 1533) (b)​
    Kings of England:
    1367-1399: Richard II
    1399-1440: Galahad I
    1440-1448: Nicholas I
    1448-1470: Galahad II
    1470-1470: Galahad III
    1470-1500: John II

    Dukes of Milan:
    1395-1402: Gian I Galeazzo Visconti
    1402-1440: Galeazzo I Plantagenet
    1440-1448: Niccolò Plantagenet
    1448-1470: Galeazzo II Plantagenet
    1470-1470: Galeazzo III Plantagenet
    1470-1500: Gian II Plantagenet

    Essentially - Lionel of Antwerp has a posthumous son by Violante Visconti. The boy is named Galeazzo after his grandfather (and upon looking this up seems to be a translation of Galahad if anything in English). Galahad of Alba, 2nd Duke of Clarence, is competent, charismatic, and the clear heir of Richard II (superior claim to Henry Bolingbroke), and deposes Richard II instead ITTL. 3 years into his reign, King Galahad hears news that his uncle Gian Galeazzo Visconti who (as OTL) has been waging a campaign to conquer most of Northern Italy for Milan, has died, sparking a succession crisis. King Galahad leads an English expedition and takes control of Milan - even if his claim isn't quite the best, all of England is his power base. Galahad tries to pacify English nobles at home while solidifiying Gian Galeazzo's gains in Milan - by the end of his 41 year reign he has begun to weld the two domains together into one prospering whole. Under subsequent kings integration continues to a greater extent (and royal dukedoms proliferate for the descendants of the House of Clarence). John II of England and Milan looks to a bright future.

    Suggestions, comments, questions? I'm debating making a TL of this.
    Mary I of Scotland and England, consort of France and Navarre
  • Mary I of Scotland and England m. Francis II of France(a) Henry IV of France and Navarre(b)
    1a. Marie of France b. 1560 m. Philip II of Spain
    2a. Elisabeth of France b. 1568
    3b. Louis XII of France and Navarre b.1571
    4b. Isabella of France b.1573
    5b. Elisabeth Claire Eugenie of France 1575
    6b. Henry IX of England and I of Scotland b. 1578
    7b. Charles, duke of Angouleme b.1580
    8b. Margaret of France b. 1582
    9b. Jean of France b. 1586

    this is my idea if others want to elaborate this, please do..
    Charles VIII of France marries Elizabeth of York
  • POD: Mary of Burgundy lives a few more months than OTL and thus the marriage between Charles, Dauphin of France and Elizabeth of York goes through (her death OTL changed the tide of war and thus Louis XI found no need to allow the marriage to go through, or even to continue to court the English). Thus, when Henry VII comes to the throne, he is forced to marry the younger sister. The French King, in 1488, after reaching his majority, wages war on the House of Tudor in a reverse of the previous War of Succession, in which he claimed Elizabeth was he final heir to her father. It goes on until 1498, when, upon her husband's death, the Queen Dowager marries one of her daughter's to the only surviving so of Henry VII of England. However, the wars would continue for many centuries to come.

    Charles VIII of France (b.1470: d.1498) m. Elizabeth of York (b.1466: d.1513) (a)

    1a) Louis XII of France (b.1485: d.1538) m. Anne I, Duchess of Brittany (b.1477: d.1515) (a), Anne of Navarre (b.1492: d.1530) (b)

    1a) Miscarriage (c.1501)

    2a) Marguerite de Valois (b.1502: d.1505)

    3a) Stillborn Son (c.1504)

    4a) Louis XIII of France (b.1505: d.1540)

    5a) Stillborn Son (b.1507)

    6a) Stillborn Son (c.1508)

    7a) Renee de Valois (b.1510: d.1519)

    8a) Charles IX of France (b.1512: d.1541)

    9b) Miscarriage (c.1518)

    10b) Stillborn Daughter (c.1521)
    2a) Marguerite de Valois (b.1488: d.1489)

    3a) Anne de Valois (b.1491: d.1537) m. Arthur I of England (b.1492: d.1540) (a)

    1a) Henry VIII of England (b.1510: d.1569) m. Anne of Cleves (b.1515: d.1557) (a)

    1a) George I of England (b.1535: d.1599)

    2a) Edward Tudor, Duke of York (b.1540: d.1612)
    2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1513)

    3a) Cecily Tudor (b.1515: d.1561) m. Boniface IV, Marquess of Montferrat (b.1512: d.1530) (a), Ercole II d'Este, Duke of Ferrara (b.1508: d.1559) (b)

    1a) Beatrice Paleologa, Marquess of Montferrat (b.1531: d.1562) m. Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a)

    1a) Anne Michelle of Spain (b.1550)

    2a) Margaret of Spain (b.1553: d.1555)

    3a) Isabella Clara of Spain (b.1554: d.1558)

    4a) Stillborn Son (c.1556)

    5a) Philip III of Spain (b.1559)​

    2b) Anna d'Este (b.1534)

    3b) Ercole III d'Este, Duke of Ferrara (b.1537)
    4a) Arthur Tudor, Duke of York (b.1518: d.1524)

    5a) Charles Tudor, Duke of Clarence (b.1521: d.1529)

    6a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1524)
    4a) Charles de Valois, Comte d'Artois (b.1494: d.1519) m. Marguerite de Angouleme (b.1492: d.1549) (a)

    1a) Anne of Artois (b.1513: d.1561) m. James V of Scotland* (b.1512: d.1548) (a)

    1a) James VI of Scotland (b.1535)​

    2a) Louis XIV of France (b.1516) m. Isabella of Navarre (b.1512: d.1534) (a), Catherine Stewart (b.1509: d.1569) (b)

    1a) Charles X of France (b.1532)

    2a) Isabelle de Artois (b.1533: d.1537)

    3b) Charlotte de Artois (b.1537)​

    3a) Joan of Artois (b.1518: d.1520)

    4a) John de Artois, Duke of Berry (b.1519: d.1540) m. Catherine de Medici (b.1519: d.1589) (a)
    5a) Elisabeth de Valois (b.1496: d.1529)

    6a) Nicholas de Valois (b.1498: d.1498)
    *The younger of the two surviving sons of James IV of Scotland and Catherine of Aragon. His elder brother died in 1518, aged 12. They had one surviving sister, Catherine Stewart, would later be Queen of France after spinsterhood.
    Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester succeeds his father.
  • P.O.D: After the royal defeat at the end of the English Civil War, Prince Henry, Duke of Gloucester is captured and brought to London. His captivity along with his elder sister Elizabeth and placed into the "protection" of the Republican army within Hampton Court.
    Henry is proclaimed as the new King of England, by Republican army leaders Oliver Cromwell and Henry Ireton, creating a new written Constitution, which him a limited constitutional monarch that the Parliament wanted.

    The day after his "tyrannic and traitorous" father is executed, the young king is crowned by

    Kings of England, Scotland, France and Ireland
    1625-1649: Charles I [House of Stuart]
    1649-1658: Regency of Henry IX (under Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell)
    1658-1707: Henry IX [House of Stuart] m. Princess Anna Sophie of Denmark (1647-1717)
    1707-1733: Frederick I [House of Stuart] m. Marie Amalie of Brandenburg (1670-1739)
    1733-1743: Elizabeth II [House of Stuart] m. John Churchill, Marquess of Blandford later Duke of Marlborough (1686-1755)
    1743-1785: Frederick II [House of Churchill] m. Duchess Mary of Hanover (1723-1772)
    1785-1821: William III [House of Churchill] m. Infanta Benedita of Portugal (1746-1829)
    1821-1847: William IV [House of Churchill] m. Princess Augusta of Prussia (1780-1841)
    1847-1875: William V [House of Churchill] m. Princess Vilhelmine Marie of Denmark

    King of Sweden:
    1808-1839: Frederick VI of Denmark [House of Oldenburg]
    1839-1875: Frederick VII [House of Churchill]

    King of United Kingdoms of Great Britain, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Greenland, the Wends and the Goths,
    1875-1902: Frederick III and VII [House of Churchill] m. Alexandra, Duchess of Schleswig, Holstein and Lauenburg (1844-1925)
    1902-1936: Frederick IV and VIII [House of Churchill] m.Grand Duchess Xenia Alexandrovna of Russia (1875-1960)
    1936-1981: William VI and I [House of Churchill] m. Alice Christabel Montagu Douglas Scott, Duchess of Buccleuch & Queensberry (1901-2004)
    1981-Present: Henry X [House of Churchill] m. Arabella Spencer-Churchill (1949-2005)
    Best-Case Scenario for the Catholic Monarchs
  • WI: Best-Case Scenario for the Catholic Monarchs. Juana la Beltraneja dies in 1472, before her father, and Henry IV is forced to recognize Isabella as his heir. This allows the couple to avoid the war with Portugal.

    Ferdinand II of Aragon (1452-1516) m. Isabella I of Castile (1451-1524) [1]

    1a. Isabella of Castile and Aragon (1470-) m. Edward V of England (1470-1492) [2]
    1a. Elizabeth I of England (1486-)​
    2a. Jacquetta of England (1489-)​
    3a. Richard III of England (1492-1504)​

    2a. Juan III of Castile and Aragon (1473-1511) m. Catherine I of Navarre (1468 -) [3]
    1a. Miscarried Daughter (1492)​
    2a. Isabella of Castile and Aragon (1492-1494)​
    3a. Maria of Castile and Aragon (1494-1505)​
    4a. Stillborn Son (1494)​
    5a. Miscarried Daughter (1496)​
    6a. Catalina of Castile and Aragon (1500-1511)​
    7a. Stillborn Daughter (1502)​

    3a. Juana of Castile and Aragon (1475-) m. Alfonso VI of Portugal (1475-) [4]
    1a. Maria of Portugal (1493-)​
    2a. John III of Portugal (1494-)​
    3a. Miscarried Son (1498)​
    4a. Ferdinand, Duke of Beja (1502-)​
    5a. Alfonso, Archbishop of Guarda (1505-)​

    4a. Ferdinand VI of Castile and Aragon (1476-) m. Louise of Savoy (1476-) [5]
    1a. Alfonso VII of Castile and Aragon (1495-)​
    2a. Isabella of Castile and Aragon (1495-)​
    3a. Ferdinand, Duke of Granada (1497-1499)​
    4a. Enrique, Archbishop of Burgos (1501-)​
    5a. Stillborn Daughter (1505)​

    5a. Alfonso, Duke of Cadiz (1477-) m. Elizabeth of Denmark (1485-) [6]
    1a. Isabella of Cadiz (1503-)​
    2a. Alfonso of Cadiz (1507-1509)​
    3a. Miscarried Daughter (1510)​
    4a. Leonor of Cadiz (1510-1513)​
    5a. Stillborn Son (1511)​
    6a. Enrique, Duke of Cadiz (1511-)​

    6a. Miguel of Castile and Aragon (1478-1482)

    7a. Stillborn Daughter (1479)

    8a. Maria of Castile and Aragon (1482-) m. Charles VIII of France (1470-) [7]
    1a. Isabelle of France (1500-1514)​
    2a. Miscarried Son (1501)​
    3a. Charles, Dauphin of France (1504-1508)​
    4a. Charlotte of France (1506-)​
    5a. Louis, Dauphin of France (1510-1517)​
    6a. Marie of France (1512-)​
    7a. Philippe VII of France (1512-)​
    8a. Jean, Duke of Berry (1515-1529)​
    9a. Stillborn Daughter (1518)​
    10a. Francis, Duke of Anjou (1518-1520)​

    9a. Ana of Castile and Aragon (1482-1484)

    10a. Catalina of Castile and Aragon (1485-) m. Ernest, King of the Romans (1486-1503) [8]
    1a. Elisabeth of Austria (1502-) -abbess-​

    2a. Miscarried Son (1503)​

    [1] The reconquest of Granada still occurs. Butterflies call for a crusade against the Ottomans in the late 1490s/early 1500s. Eventually all of Greece and Constantinople are reconquered. In 1524, Jerusalem is finally taken from the Muslims. Isabella, old and frail, travels to the Holy City, and will die there. She will be buried in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Isabella manages to enforce her will in the Americas, and the Natives are treated much better, though smallpox is still rampant.

    [2] Isabella, anglicized Elizabeth, and Edward have a harmonious and happy marriage. Edward is much like his father, tall, blonde, and broad, with a desire to war with the French. Isabella has a kindly and pious nature, which makes her very popular with the common people and nobility alike. Edward manages to take back Rouen in Normandy before he dies in battle. His wife, heavily pregnant upon his death, gives birth to a posthumous son. She is regent for the boy, until he dies, and continues to remain an important advisor to her daughter, England’s first undisputed Queen-Regnant, married to the heir to the Danish throne. Isabella will join her mother in the Holy Land, and will eventually be buried alongside her.

    [3] Juan and Catherine seemed to have a cloud of bad luck always hanging over them. The two, betrothed since childhood, instantly disliked each other. Juan found Catherine to be unattractive, and Catherine found Juan argumentative and annoying. Out of their seven children, only three were born alive, and none made it past the age of eleven. Catherine was hated by the court for her snobbish and anti-social behavior, so she stayed mostly in Pamplona, separated from her daughters, who were raised and educated by their Castilian grandmother. Juan crusaded against the Ottomans, and has numerous affairs with many women. He officially had 11 illegitimate children, but he privately recognized as many as 30. Some historians have argued he probably had as many as fifty children. Catherine died in 1517, in a convent where she had been imprisoned after her brother-in-law had captured her kingdom.

    [4] Juana was, from a young age, the most beautiful of the Aragon girls. She was also dignified and elegant, tall with strawberry blonde hair like her mother. Her marriage to Alfonso was normal for the period, and Juana took a particular interest in her children’s education. Juana herself was very intelligent and kept the largest library in the world at the time. She also hosted intellectuals and artists at the palace.

    [5] If Juana was beautiful, than Ferdinand was cunning. As a child, he was known to play tricks on his siblings, and cause chaos for his nursemaids. He grew into an energetic, good-tempered, and handsome young man. His marriage to Louise of Savoy was largely a success, and the two, using Isabella’s fondness for her second son, carved out favors and land for their children. Louise was delighted when, one by one, her brother-in-laws children died. Ferdinand proved a popular and wise king, and Queen Luisa was praised for her beauty and for the festivities she hosted at court.

    [6] Alfonso was somewhat of the black sheep of the family. His younger brother, Infante Miguel, had been given as an oblate, though he had died at the age of four after he caught cold. Isabella wished to offer her third son to the church, but Ferdinand insisted he remain in the secular world. Alfonso himself was lazy in his studies, preferring to write poetry and compose songs. He refused to marry on several occasions, probably because he was a homosexual. He also developed the nasty habit of being a drunk, and gambling. Because of all these unsavory rumors, Isabella and Ferdinand finally forced Alfonso to marry Danish Princess Elizabeth. Elizabeth desperately loved her husband, but her husband did not return her affections. After the birth of Enrique, heir to the Dukedom of Girona, the couple finally separated. A few years later, in 1517, it became clear that Alfonso had caught a sexual disease from one of his lovers. This disease would eventually kill him.

    [7] Charles VIII marries Margaret of Austria in 1494. She dies giving birth to a stillborn daughter in 1498. Anne of Brittany would marry Richard, Duke of York and Normandy, and the two ruled over a joint Breton-Norman Kingdom. After Margaret died, Maria was sent to marry the widower. Charles and Maria did not love each other, but were at least friendly. Certainly they mist have been somewhat close, for the marriage would result in ten children.

    [8] Catalina, the baby of the family, was a sweet and devoutly pious young woman. She would marry Ernest of Austria, the eldest son of Emperor Maximilian I and Elizabeth of York. Ernest had been promised the Holy Roman Empire as an inheritance. This caused some drama, because Philip, Maximilian’s eldest son from a first marriage, and also Duke of Burgundy, believed he should be heir. Ernest and Catherine were happy together during their brief marriage, but he two caught influenza in the spring of 1503, which killed Ernest and made Catalina miscarry their second child. When Philip became Emperor in 1509, he made a frequent point to bully and make fun of Elizabeth of York and Catalina. The two lived at a convent outside Vienna. Anne of York, Holy Roman Empress, was herself miserable, especially after her only child, Charles, died in 1512. Philip would die in 1516, childless. Ernest’s only child, daughter Elisabeth was ineligible to succeed, so Ernest’s younger brother, Fredrick, married to a Polish princess with a load of children, became Emperor. Elizabeth of York would return to court, dying in 1543. Catherine would stay at her convent, becoming a nun, and eventually abbess. She was extremely pious, and took care of the poor and sick in her hospitals. Several miracles, including healing, were attributed to her. She finally died in 1570, at the age of 85, miraculous for that time. In 1595, she was canonized as a Saint.
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    Emperor Frederick II married Joanna, Countess of Burgundy and Joanna of England
  • Frederick II of HRE m. Joanna, Countess of Burgundy(a) Joanna of England(b)
    1a. Henry b. 1210 m. Margaret of Austria
    1a1a. Beatrice II, Countess of Burgundy b. 1226 m. Premysl Ottokar
    1a1b. Henry b.? d. 1242
    1a2b. Frederick b.? d. 1245
    2a. Beatrice of Swabia b. 1212 m. Eric IV of Denmark
    3b. Margaret of Swabia m. Albert II of Meissen
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    Germaine de Foix gives birth to Ferdinand heir
  • This is probably quasi-ASB, but here goes:

    Fernando II, King of Aragon (1452-1516) 1m: (as OTL); 2m: 1505 Germaine de Foix (b.1490)

    [1m.] as OTL​
    [2m.] Juan, Prince of Girona (1509-1512)​
    [2m.] Leonor (1510-1541) m: 1527[1] Henry VIII, King of England (b.1491)​
    Henry, Prince of Wales (1528-1535)​
    Elizabeth (b.1530)​
    Stillborn Daughter (1533)​
    Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1534)​
    Eleanor (b.1537)​
    Arthur, Duke of York (b.1539)​
    Margaret (b.1541)​
    [2m.] Fernando III, King of Aragon & Naples (b.1512) m: 1525 Renée de France (b.1509)​
    Fernando, Prince of Girona (b.1532)​
    Juan (1533-1536)​
    Luis (b.1534)​
    Pedro (b.1535)​
    Leonor (b.1537)​
    Ana (b.1539)​
    [2m.] Blanca (b.1515) m: 1530 François II, King of France (b.1518)​
    François, Dauphin de Viennois (b.1538)​
    Louis (1540-1540)​
    Claude (b.1541)​
    Blanche (b.1544)​
    Louis, Duc d’Anjou (b.1547)​

    [1] Since the emperor doesn’t control Naples to pincer the pope in Rome, Henry gets his annulment. While he’s not big into a second Spanish bride, Anne Boleyn is dead and the idea of flipping the bird at Catherine of Aragon is too good to resist (not that ASB, Henry actually considered naming OTL Elizabeth “Mary” as a similar screw you. Classy guy). It doesn't hurt that Fernando III absolutely loathes Karl V, who's always treated him as though he's a "disloyal vassal" rather than a king in his own right.

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    James VI of Scotland, twin of Mary
  • James V m. Madeleine of Valois

    1. Margaret b. 1537 m. 1552 Edward VI of England b. 1537 d. 1553
    - Henry IX b. 1553 m. 1572 Margaret of Valois b. 1553
    - miscarriage
    - premature stillborn
    - Edward VII of England and I of Scotland b. 1575 [1] m. Marie de Medici b. 1575
    2. James VI of Scotland b. 1537 m. Margaret of Austria b. 1536
    - no surviving issue - [2]

    [1] After the birth of the requisite heir, the royal couple would live separately, resulting in no more children.
    [2] Margaret had one miscarriage resulting in her infertility. James VI however was still desperately in love with her so he refused to accept an annulment and would accept his nephew as heir.