That will not work and Edward IV will have more likely Westminster and Elizabeth as co-ruler. Dowry and alliance yes, but you named the Lancastrian blood who is not needed here
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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True enough, I'll go add that bit in. I'll also change it so that Richard revolts but is defeated and executed for treason. Forgot about the Lancastrian blood part, so I'll cut that out.
Arthur Tudor has posthumous son with Catherine of Aragon (Arthur, b. October 1502)
Arthur I (1502-1571) King of England 1509, m a) Isabella of Austria (1501-1526) b) Margaret of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1516-1536) c) Anne of Lorraine (1522-1568)
1a) Catherine (1521-1578) m. James V (1512-1550) King of Scotland
2a) Henry (1523-1532)
3a) Arthur II (1524-1577) King of England 1571, m. Margaret of France (1523-1574)
4b) Margaret (1536)
4c) Elizabeth (1542-1574) m. Francis II (1544-1570) King of France
5c) Henry (1544-1548)
6c) Francis (1546-1601) Duke of Somerset, m. Mary Stanley
7c) Charles (1548)
8c) Anne (1550-1604) m. Philip II (1527-1598) King of Spain
Arthur I (1502-1571) King of England 1509, m a) Isabella of Austria (1501-1526) b) Margaret of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1516-1536) c) Anne of Lorraine (1522-1568)
1a) Catherine (1521-1578) m. James V (1512-1550) King of Scotland
2a) Henry (1523-1532)
3a) Arthur II (1524-1577) King of England 1571, m. Margaret of France (1523-1574)
4b) Margaret (1536)
4c) Elizabeth (1542-1574) m. Francis II (1544-1570) King of France
5c) Henry (1544-1548)
6c) Francis (1546-1601) Duke of Somerset, m. Mary Stanley
7c) Charles (1548)
8c) Anne (1550-1604) m. Philip II (1527-1598) King of Spain
The marriage is very plausible. As stated previously the marriage of a “spare” is an unusual area. Some believe that they have the right to marry high borns such as Frederick, Duke of York & Albany. Where as others see them as having to marry local heiresses to gain a household and name.
The implausible part for me is James, Duke of York as heir of his brother risking his life going to war. He had a comfortable life and didn’t need to prove himself. Maybe have him die of earlier allowing Edgar to succeed Charles.
James, Duke of York and Albany (b.1633: d.167) m Anne Hyde (b.1637: d.1671)
1) Charles, Duke of Cambridge (b. 1660: d. 1661)
2) Mary, Princess of Orange (b.1662) m. William, Prince of Orange (b.1650)
3) James, Duke of Cambridge (b.1663: d.1684) m.
4) Anne, Duchess of Cumberland (b.1664) m. 1683, Prince George of Denmark and Norway, Duke of Cumberland (b. 1653: d. 1708)
5) Charles, Duke of Kendal (b. 1666 d.1667)
6) Edgar I of England, Scotland and Ireland (b.1667) m. 1679, Elizabeth Seymour, Countess of Northumberland and Baroness Percy (b.1667)
1) Charles of Kendal (b.1684: d.1684)
2) Catherine of England (b.1685) (*) m. 1702, Charles VI, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1685: d. 1740)
3)James, Prince of Wales (b.1687) m. Maria Magdalena, Archduchess of Austria (b. 1689: d. 1743)
4) Charles, Duke of York and Albany (b.1688) m. Ulrika Eleonora of Sweden (b. 1688: d. 1741)
5) stillborn son (b.1690: d.1690)
6) Elizabeth of England (b.1692) m. Louis Henri I, Prince of Condé, Duke of Bourbon (b. 1692: d. 1740)
7) Mary of England (b.1695) m.
8) stillborn daughter (b.1697: d.1697)
9) Algernon, Duke of Northumberland (b.1699) m. 1722, Infanta Francisca Josefa of Portugal (b. 1699: d. 1736)
10) Henry, Duke of Ross (b.1702)
7) Henrietta (b.&d. 1669)
8) Catherine (b.&d. 1671)
(*) Princess Royal is held by Mary, Princess of Orange until her death.
Anglo-French Alliance in 1671 demanded a Navy commander of Royal background with seagoing experience. IOTL, since James was sonless by this time, the position felt to Prince Rupert, whose participation was... conflicting. Duke of York would be much better received by the French, and in situation, when his eldest son has survived past infancy and he has a spare, there would be nothing preventing James from getting the command from the get-go, as the French initially wanted (England proposed Rupert, because IOTL James was the only remaining male in direct succession line and thus too valuable, thus King's cousin was proposed as supreme commander of operations).
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Re the part for James duke of York, otl he wanted to fight in he third Anglo Dutch war, the only thing that stopped him was his lack of a male heir. Here he has two, I can’t see Charles stopping his brother from going.
Abd the tee looks good, would Mary be created princess royal tho?
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I think it’s plausible as part of the peace, though if not, Mary may be considered for the dauphin
Dauphin match would be interesting.
If she fails to have a child with Louis, Duke of Burgundy (1682-1712) where does the throne go?
Charles, Duke of Berry (1686–1714) has no heir.
Since Philip's accession in Spain provoked the 13-year War of the Spanish Succession, which continued until the Treaty of Utrecht forbade any future possibility of unifying the French and Spanish crowns while confirming his accession to the throne of Spain.
Descendants of the Catholic Monarchs for this same timeline...
Isabella I, Queen of Castile (b. 1451, r. from 1474, d. 1507) m. Ferdinand II, King of Aragon (b. 1453, r. from 1479) in 1469, has issue
1) Isabel of Aragon and Castile, Princess of Portugal (b. 1470, d. 1503) m. Afonso, Prince of Portugal (b. 1475, d. 1491) in 1490, had no issue
2) Juan of Aragon and Castile, Prince of Asturias and Girona (b. 1478, d. 1497) m. Giovanna of Naples (b. 1478, d. 1518) in 1497, had no issue
3) Juana of Aragon and Castile, Queen of Portugal (b. 1479, d. 1555) m. Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469, d. 1525) in 1497, had issue
1) John III, King of Portugal, Castile, and Aragon (b. 1498) m. Mary of Burgundy-Savoy (b. 1498)
2) Afonso of Portugal (b. 1500, d. 1502)
3) Beatriz of Portugal, Queen of Navarre (b. 1501) m. Henry II, King of Navarre (b. 1503)
4) Fernando, Duke of Viseu (b. 1503) m. Guiomar Coutinho, 5th Countess of Marialva and 3rd Countess of Loulé (b. 1510)
5) Isabel of Portugal, Queen of France (b. 1505) m. Charles IX, King of France (b. 1501)
6) Pedro of Portugal (b. and d. 1507)
7) Henrique of Portugal, Cardinal and Archbishop of Braga and Évora (b. 1509)
8) Duarte of Portugal, Duke of Guimarães (b. 1512) m. Isabel of Braganza (b. 1514)
4) Maria of Aragon and Castile, Queen of Hungary and Bohemia (twin of stillborn child; b. 1482, d. 1542) m. Vladislaus II, King of Hungary and Bohemia (b. 1456, d. 1516) in 1502, had issue
1) Stephen VI Jagiellon, King of Hungary and Bohemia (b. 1504)
2) Elisabeth Jagiellonica (b. 1505)
3) Louis Jagiellon, Duke of Slavonia (b. 1507, d. 1528)
4) Andrew Jagiellon, Cardinal and Archbishop of Veszprém (b. 1509)
5) Ladislaus Jagiellon (b. and d. 1513)
6) Anna Jagiellonica (b. and d. 1516)
5) Stillborn child (twin of Maria; b. and d. 1482)
6) Catalina of Aragon and Castile, Princess of Wales (b. 1485) m. Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b. 1486) in 1502, has issue
1) Elizabeth Tudor (b. 1505, d. 1506)
2) Henry Tudor (b. and d. 1507)
3) Margaret Tudor (b. and d. 1508)
4) Edward VI Tudor (twin of Edmund; b. 1510) m. Jeanne/Isabeau of Brittany (b. 1510)
5) Edmund Tudor, Duke of Richmond (twin of Edward; b. 1510, d. 1533)
6) Mary Tudor, Duchess of Lorraine (b. 1512) m. Francis I, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1517) (a); Adrian Stokes (b. 1519) (b)
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Found a better idea re. these matches.
Since Anne is low in succession line TTL behind her two brothers and sisters, she may be used in Catholic match, which may be one with Pedro II of Portugal (circa 1683, yes), while her brother the Duke of Cambridge marries Isabel Luisa, Princess of Beira.
Though in fact after getting disappointed with Anglo-French Alliance past the 3rd War (the effort costed Charles his (admittedly troublesome) brother IOTL he may scrap the betrothal proposal to Mlle de Valois (who TTL Duke of Cambridge seem to wait for) and go for OTL Queen of Portugal or if there's a Protestant Queen demand - for OTL Queen in Prussia. Though the problem was that both girls were fertile, another problem is "marrying a second son before the first one is a bad omen, see, late Duke of York marries a non-Royal before Your Majesty married Her Majesty, and see where this leaves you". The marriage per se, though, is not problematic, as Queen Catherine outliving Charles II was not set in stone fact, and Duke of Kendal could have easily become third in line.
Actually NOT that impossible. As late as Queen Elizabeth Wydeville's pregnancy with Edward V there were offers like this made to the Lancastrians.
Essentially, as long as Edward IV remained without a male heir, he was willing to propose a sort of Stephen-Matilda type arrangement with the Lancasters. Edward IV would remain king of England (deemed by "right of conquest"), Edward of Westminster would be his heir and the younger Ned would marry Liz of York.
Marguerite d'Anjou wasn't too impressed with the presumption, but before Warwick wound up in France, she didn't have a whole lot of other options
That’s very interesting, wonder how otl Richard III would react
John Albert and Alexander predeceased Casimir IV. Thus Sigismund the Old rules Poland and Lithuania from 1492. He marries oldest daughter of John Cicero, who IOTL died young (IDK what was her name, lets say she was named Margaret).
Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1492, m. Margaret of Brandenburg (1480-1550)
1) Hedwig (1497-1551) m. John (1468-1532) Elector of Saxony
2) Elizabeth (1499-1501)
3) Anna (1500-1551) m. Stanisław (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia
4) Sigismund II (1502-1550) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)*
5) Sophia (1505-1509)
6) Vladislaus (1507-1515)
7) Barbara (1508-1560) m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut
8) Casimir (1511-1513)
9) John I (1513-1576) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland, m. Barbara of Brandenburg (1527-1595)
* He is her second husband, whom she married after death of Manuel of Portugal.
Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1492, m. Margaret of Brandenburg (1480-1550)
1) Hedwig (1497-1551) m. John (1468-1532) Elector of Saxony
2) Elizabeth (1499-1501)
3) Anna (1500-1551) m. Stanisław (1500-1524) Duke of Mazovia
4) Sigismund II (1502-1550) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Eleanor of Austria (1498-1558)*
5) Sophia (1505-1509)
6) Vladislaus (1507-1515)
7) Barbara (1508-1560) m. Louis X (1495-1545) Duke of Bavaria-Landshut
8) Casimir (1511-1513)
9) John I (1513-1576) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland, m. Barbara of Brandenburg (1527-1595)
* He is her second husband, whom she married after death of Manuel of Portugal.
Ok, I'm just gonna throw this out here...POD is the survival of Henry Frederick Stuart.
HOUSE OF STUART
James I/VI Stuart, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1566, d. 1625) m. Anne of Denmark (b. 1574, d. 1619) in 1589, had issue
HOUSE OF STUART
James I/VI Stuart, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1566, d. 1625) m. Anne of Denmark (b. 1574, d. 1619) in 1589, had issue
1) Henry IX Frederick Stuart, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1594, d. 1659) m. Elisabeth of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1595, d. 1647) in 1614, had issue
2) Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia (b. 1596, d. 1662) m. Frederick V, Elector Palatine (b. ?) in 1613, had issue
3) Margaret Stuart (b. 1598, d. 1600)
4) Charles Stuart, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1600, d. 1666) m. Charlotte de La Trémoille (b. 1599, d. ?) in 1625, had issue
5) Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre (b. and d. 1602)
6) Mary Stuart (b. 1605, d. 1607)
7) Sophia Stuart (b. and d. 1606)
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I like it, what prompts Henry’s marriage to Elisabeth? Does he meet her on his tour of the empire following his sisters wedding?
Yes. Her father is one of the most prominent calvinist princes, so it just kind of fell into place.