At that point he can marry his granddaughter to either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_de_Aragón_y_Portugal or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand,_Duke_of_Calabria if he want keep the Trastamara dynasty
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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POD: All of Queen Anne Stuart’s named children survive infancy.
Anne Stuart, Queen of Great Britain (1665-1717)[1] m. George of Denmark and Norway, Duke of Cumberland (1653-1708)
[2] Prince William doesn’t die in 1705.
Anne Stuart, Queen of Great Britain (1665-1717)[1] m. George of Denmark and Norway, Duke of Cumberland (1653-1708)
- Mary of Great Britain (1685-1750) m. Frederick William I of Prussia (1688-1740) with issue.
- Anne Sophia of Great Britain (1686-1747) m. William VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (1682-1760) with issue.
- William, Duke of Gloucester (1689-1700)
- Anne Marie of Great Britain (1690-1750) m. Prince William of Denmark and Norway (1687-1729) [2] with issue.
- George I, King of Great Britain (1692-1758) m. Antoinette Amelia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1696-1762) with issue.
[2] Prince William doesn’t die in 1705.
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With her older sister Anne Sophia alive, wouldn't she be named something else? Maybe Henrietta, Sophia or Elizabeth. I know that sometimes siblings had the same first name with a different middle name back then but I don't think that was ever common in England.
It isn't unprecedented, for example the 2nd Holland Earl of Kent named two of his daughters "Eleanor" and neither had middle names. For another, James III of Scotland named two of his sons "James" and they didn't have middle names either.
That being said, I agree it is unlikely.
POD: All of Queen Anne Stuart’s named children survive infancy.
Anne Stuart, Queen of Great Britain (1665-1717)[1] m. George of Denmark and Norway, Duke of Cumberland (1653-1708)
- Mary of Great Britain (1685-1750) m. Frederick William I of Prussia (1688-1740) with issue.
- Anne Sophia of Great Britain (1686-1747) m. William VIII, Landgrave of Hesse-Kassel (1682-1760) with issue.
- William, Duke of Gloucester (1689-1700)
- Elizabeth Marie of Great Britain (1690-1750) m. Prince William of Denmark and Norway (1687-1729) [2] with issue.
- George I, King of Great Britain (1692-1758) m. Antoinette Amelia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel (1696-1762) with issue.
[2] Prince William doesn’t die in 1705.
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Mary Queen of Scots is born a boy
James VI of Scotland (b.1542) m Claude of France (b.1547) in 1560
Issue:
Henry, Duke of Rothesay (b.1563: d.1563)
James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1564)
Mary Stewart (b.1566)
Catherine Stewart (b.1569)
stillborn son (b.1570: d.1570)
Robert, Duke of Albany (b.1571)
Margaret Stewart (b.1573: d.1575)
Elizabeth Stewart (b.1576)
James VI of Scotland (b.1542) m Claude of France (b.1547) in 1560
Issue:
Henry, Duke of Rothesay (b.1563: d.1563)
James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1564)
Mary Stewart (b.1566)
Catherine Stewart (b.1569)
stillborn son (b.1570: d.1570)
Robert, Duke of Albany (b.1571)
Margaret Stewart (b.1573: d.1575)
Elizabeth Stewart (b.1576)
I can imagine James VII of Scotland (b.1564) marrying in 1581, Christina of Lorraine (1565–1637), keeping the French close to Scotland, with Protestant not being able to push James VI like they did with Mary.
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Ah unfortunately, with Claude marrying james, Christina has been butterflies away due to Claude beinf her mother. But agreed on statement more generally
Ah yes. Although this could be an ATL Christina born to Charles III and new wife. Although who France will allow him to marry to keep him loyal, is wide open.
French option for Charles III:
- Lucrezia Maria d'Este (1535 – 1598)
- Eleonore d'Este (1537-1581)
- Henriette of Cleves (1542–1601)
- Charlotte de Bourbon (1547–1582)
- Princess Catherine of Lorraine-Aumale (1550–1606), daughter of Claude, Duke of Aumale.
This issue with Spain or England would be giving a foreign woman the opportunity to be regent which is why Charles was in France in the first place, with Lorraine being invaded by France, Charles’ mother's regency being terminated and Charles being raised at the French royal court in accordance to the needs of French interests.
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This is true, tho I was more meaning for james vi and his son thay if England is on the cards for them to inherit, the Spanish may get involved ro offer them a bride.
Eleonore could be an interesting match for Charles
Philip II will still want to see Elizabeth dethroned without sending his own army, but his sister is too old and daughters too young.
As for England, Elizabeth will see any marriage of her noblewomen to James as treacherous similar to Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk trying to marry Mary.
His Majesty King Edward VIII of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire (23 June 1894 - 28 May 1939) and Her Royal Highness Princess Astrid of Sweden (17 November 1905 - 29 August 2001)
Marry in 04 November 1926
* Second child and eldest daughter of the 5th Duke of Abercorn and his wife. She and William have no childrens and she died in a crash acident. Upon her death Willian never remarry and his sister became the heiress of the throne.
** At the time of her birth Alice would be entitled Princess Royal but in 1989 her father signed the Equality titles bill. With that she remained a Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain until 1994 when she married and was created Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Holderness and Baroness Merioneth in her own right. When her brother died, in 2039, she renounced the throne in favour of her son.
**** At birth, George became the first descendant of a female member of the royal family (not heir to the throne) to enjoy the title of royal highness.
Marry in 04 November 1926
- 11 October 1927 - 10 January 2016 Her Royal Highness Princess Charlotte Louise Mary Victoria of the United Kingdom - Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, marry His Royal Highness Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg (05 January 1921 - 23 April 2019) in 09 April 1953 and have 3 sons and 2 daughters
- 07 September 1930 - 31 July 2021 His Royal Highness Prince George Edward Charles William Frederick Alexander John of the United Kingdom, the Prince of Wales - King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire, marry Her Grand Ducal Highness Princess Johanna Marina Eleonore of Hesse and by Rhine (20 September 1936 - 14 June 2030) in 10 October 1959
- 29 May 1962 - 16 September 2039 His Royal Highness Prince William Louis Ernest Frederick George Theodore August of the United Kingdom, the Prince of Wales - King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire, marry The Right Honourable Georgina Victoria Katherine Hamilton* (23 October 1971 - 26 November 2016) in 09 November 1996
- 03 November 1967 - 20 November 2067Her Royal Highness Princess Alice Maud Eleonore Cecilie of the United Kingdom** - Duchess of Edinburgh, Duchess of Connaught and Strathearn and Duchess of Fife, marry His Grace Lord Alexander William Arthur Windsor, 3rd Duke of Connaught and Strathearn and 4th Duke of Fife*** (18 May 1951 - 26 September 2024) in 16 October 1994
- 12 December 1999 - 21 November 2100 His Royal Highness Prince George Nicholas William Alastair of Edinburgh, Earl Holderness, Sussex and Macduff**** - 4th Duke of Connaught and Strathearn, 5th Duke of Fife (2024 - 2039) and later King of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Empire (since 2039), marry His Royal Highness Prince Sebastian Heirinch Albrecht August Friedrich Wilhelm Konrad Otto Welf Henry of Hanover, Duke of Brunswick-Lüneburg***** (12 October 1997 - 29 October 2097) in 24 October 2026 and have 2 daughters
- 15 April 1971 - 21 July 2064Her Royal Highness Princess Sophie Beatrice Helena Victoria of the United Kingdom - Duchess of Clarence and Marchioness of Cholmondeley, marry The Most Honourable Lord David George Philip Cholmondeley, 7th Marquess of Cholmondeley (27 June 1960 - 09 August 2045) in 10 July 1999
- 20 July 2002 - 29 December 2099 Her Royal Highness Princess Charlotte Louise Alice of Sussex, Countess of Athlone and Rocksavage - 2nd Duchess of Clarence and 8th Marchioness of Cholmondeley, marry His Royal Highness Prince Achileas Andreas of Greece and Denmark (12 August 2000 - 20 May 2094) in 19 May 2029 and have 2 sons and 1 daughter
- 06 June 1936 - 20 October 2012 His Royal Highness Prince Alfred Arthur Henry Ernest of the United Kingdom - Prince Consort of the Netherlands, marry Her Majesty Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands (31 January 1938 - 08 September 2032) in 10 March 1966 and have 3 sons
* Second child and eldest daughter of the 5th Duke of Abercorn and his wife. She and William have no childrens and she died in a crash acident. Upon her death Willian never remarry and his sister became the heiress of the throne.
** At the time of her birth Alice would be entitled Princess Royal but in 1989 her father signed the Equality titles bill. With that she remained a Princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain until 1994 when she married and was created Duchess of Edinburgh, Countess of Holderness and Baroness Merioneth in her own right. When her brother died, in 2039, she renounced the throne in favour of her son.
- The Equality titles bill Initially allowed aristocratic women to pass their titles and surnames to their children/husband and to inherit peers.
- After the law, the title of Princess Royal becomes extinct. With it All princesses receive the title of Duchess as they get married.
- In 2006, five years after the approval of gay marriage, the law was "updated" allowing husbands and wives of members of aristocracy and royalty to share the titles of their spouses.
**** At birth, George became the first descendant of a female member of the royal family (not heir to the throne) to enjoy the title of royal highness.
- In 2024 he becomes HRH Prince George of Edinburgh, 4th Duke of Connaught and Strathearn and 5th Duke of Fife, Earl of Holderness.
- In 2032 he and Sebastian have their first child - HRH Princess Alice Elisabeth Victoria Johanna of Edinburgh. The girl is the result of an artificial insemination made with the donation of George's semen and Alexandra's (Sebastian sister) ovum and is generated by a British aristocrat who is a friend of the couple. The couple's second and last daughter - HRH Princess Amelia Maud Marina Eleonore of Edinburgh - is born through a procedure identical to her sister in 2036.
- Both Alice and Amelia have right to the title of Lady by George but are created Royal Highnesses by King William V, who obviously will not have children because he remains single and attached to the image of his deceased wife.
- He inherits the throne in 2039, with the death of his uncle and renounce of his mother.
- In 2026 he remains a Royal Highness and renounces the titles of Hanover/Brunswick-Lüneburg. From then he becomes HRH Prince Sebastian, Duke Consort of Connaught and Strathearn and Duke Consorte of Fife.
- In 2039, when his husband inherited the throne, he receive the title of King Consort.
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It’s down to Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor to offer the marriage. Philip isn’t in the position to offer.
Until Charles III's regency, France generally had a "hands-off" approach regarding Lorraine. Was only with the Guises climbing as high as they did in the French government (plus Kristina being ousted from the regency of her son) that France decided to take an interest.
Since Charles III's dad was betrothed to Anne of Cleves perhaps he marries Henriette de la Marck or a sister.
Feel sorry for Claude though, cause unless her health is better here, I think the Scots climate is going to be seven sorts of Hell for her.
Huh?
Felipe II is still likely going to back Elizabeth against a pro-French/French-allied James. OTL he defended Elizabeth to various popes for nearly thirty years (until Mary Stewart was beheaded)