List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

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FalconHonour

FalconHonour

curlyhairedhippie said:
Ok, I'm just gonna throw this out here...POD is the survival of Henry Frederick Stuart.

HOUSE OF STUART
James I/VI Stuart, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1566, d. 1625) m. Anne of Denmark (b. 1574, d. 1619) in 1589, had issue
1) Henry IX Frederick Stuart, King of England, Scotland, and Ireland (b. 1594, d. ?) m. Elisabeth of Hesse-Kassel (b. 1595, d. 1647) in 1614, had issue​
2) Elizabeth Stuart, Queen of Bohemia (b. 1596, d. 1662) m. Frederick V, Elector Palatine (b. ?) in 1613, had issue​
3) Margaret Stuart (b. 1598, d. 1600)​
4) Charles Stuart, Duke of York and Albany (b. 1600, d. ?) m. Charlotte de La Tremoille (b. 1599, d. ?) in 1525, had issue​
5) Robert Stuart, Duke of Kintyre (b. and d. 1602)​
6) Mary Stuart (b. 1605, d. 1607)​
7) Sophia Stuart (b. and d. 1606)​
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Love the tree, but you've got Charles and Charlotte marrying in 1525 when neither of them were born before the turn of the 17th century...
 
Awkwardvulture

Awkwardvulture

More children for Ferdinand and Isabella

King Ferdinand II of Aragon (b.1452, d.1516), m.Isabella I of Castile (b.1451, d.1508), had issue

1) Isabella of Aragon, Dowager Princess of Portugal (b.1470, d.1509)
2) Stillborn son (1475)
3) Juan, Prince of Asturias later Juan III of Spain (b.1478, d.1527) m. Margaret of Austria, Queen of Spain (b.1480, d.1541) had issue
4) Juana of Aragon, Duchess of Burgundy (b.1479, d.1555) m. Phillip IV, Duke of Burgundy (b,1478, d.1514) , had issue
5) Maria of Aragon, Queen of Portugal (b.1482, d.1529) m, Manuel I, King of Portugal (b.1469, d.1521) had issue
6) Ana of Aragon, Holy Roman Empress (b.1482, d.1534) m. Maximillian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459, d.1519) had issue
7) Catalina of Aragon, Queen of Naples (b.1485, d.1540) m. Arthur Tudor, Prince of Wales (b.1486, d.1502) Ferdinand III, King of Naples (b.1488, d.1550) had issue
8) Infante Ferdinand, Duke of Cadiz (b.1487, d.1548) m.Magdalena of Navarre, Duchess of Cadiz (b.1494, d.1551) had issue
9) Infante Alfonso, Archbishop of Toledo (b.1489, d.1553)
10) Leonor of Aragon, Queen of England (b.1491, d.1564) m. Henry VIII, King of England, had issue (b.1491, d.1547)
 
kasumigenx

kasumigenx

Henry VIII m. Catherine of Aragon d. 1518(a) Anne Boleyn d. 1536(b) Jane Seymour d. 1538(c)

1a. Margaret b. 1510 m. Archduke Philip, later Philip III, Holy Roman Emperor b. 1509[1]

2a. Henry IX b. 1511 m. Catherine of Austria b. 1507

3a. Edward, Prince of York b. 1513

4a. Mary b. 1516 m. Francis III, Duke of Brittany d. 1536(a) Henry II of France(b)

5a. Catherine b. 1518 m. James V of Scotland

6b. Elizabeth b. 1533 m. Philip II of Spain

7b. Edmund b. 1534

8b. Cecily b. 1535 m. John IV of Portugal b. 1530

9b. Jasper b. 1536

10c. Owen b. 1538

1. Third son of Joanna I of Castile and Philip I of Castile
 
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Kellan Sullivan

From my thread here:
Charles Ferdinand, Duc de Berri (1778-1820) m: 1816 Maria Carolina of Sicily (b.1798)
Louise Isabelle (1817-1817)​
Louis (1818)​
Louise Marie Thérèse (b.1819) m: 1832 Ferdinand Philippe, Duc de Chartres (b.1810)​
Henri V, King of France [from 1830] (b.1820) m: 1842 Elizabeth Mikhailovna of Russia (b.1826)​

Louis Philippe III, Duc d'Orléans (b.1773) m: 1809 Maria Amelia of Naples (b.1782)
Ferdinand Philippe, Duc de Chartres (b.1810) m: 1832 Louise Marie Thérèse d'Artois (b.1819)​
Louise Marie, Mademoiselle (b.1811) m: 1829 Pedro I, Emperor of Brasil (b.1798)​
Marie Christine (b.1813) m: 1829 Fernando VII, King of Spain (b.1784)[1]​
Louis, Duc de Nemours (b.1814) m: [2]​
Françoise (1816-1818)​
Marie Clémentine (b.1817) m: 1836 Maximilian, Crown Prince of Bavaria (b.1811)​
François, Prince de Joinville (b.1818) m: [2]​
Charles, Duc de Penthièvre (1820-1828)​
Henri, Duc d'Aumale (b.1822) m: [2]​
Antoine, Duc de Montpensier (b.1824) m: [2]​
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[1] I know this is probably the unlikeliest match here, given Angoulême's personal dislike Fernando VII, but in lieu of any other Catholic kings available (plus, she's at least a better match genetically than his niece - first cousin once removed instead), I figured it's worth a shot.
[2] Wasn't sure who these boys would marry with them being "lower" in the succession than OTL. Figure it will depend on when they marry (since once Chartres and Henri start sprogging off, their prospects go down - Condé will will his estates to Henri instead of Aumale (he originally intended to do this, then the July Revolution intervened AIUI). Probably second-tier royals (cousins and nieces to kings rather than daughters)
 

Jan Olbracht

Joanna the Mad widowed in 1499.

Joanna (1479-1555) Queen of Castile 1504, m. a) Philip IV (1478-1499) Duke of Burgundy b) Manuel I (1469-1521) King of Portugal

1a) Eleanor (1498-1558) Duchess of Burgundy, m. Ernest I (1497-1547) Holy Roman Emperor*

2b) Isabella (1502-1507)

3b) Beatrice (1504)

4b) Catherine (1505-1542) m. Henry IX (1507-1557) King of England**

5b) John III (1507-1562) King of Spain, m. Louise of France (1515-1568)

6b) Maria (1508-1549) m. Francis I (1494-1547) King of France

7b) Ferdinand (1510-1542) Duke of Beja

8b) Alfonso (1512)

9b) Joanna (1515-1576) m. James V (1512-1554) King of Scotland

* Son of HRE Maximilian and Bianca Maria Sforza

** Son of Henry VIII and Catherine of Aragon, who ITTL married earlier
 

VVD0D95

Banned
Arthur I of England (b.1486: d.1537) m Catherine of Aragon (b.1485: d.1536)

Issue:

stillborn girl (b.1503: d.1503)

Henry of Wales (b.1504: d.1511)

Elizabeth of Ludlow (b.1506)

Arthur II of England (b.1508)

Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b.1509)

stillborn son (b.1512: d.1512)

Catherine of Westminster (b.1514)

Mary of Eltham (b.1517)

Edward, Duke of Bedford (b.1519)

Note:

Arthur's survival means Henry VII and Liz of York don't try for another child, thus Liz doesn't die in 1503. Henry VII reigns until 1511, dying from cancer, the same type that kills his grandson and namesake. Arthur reigns as King from 1511 to his death in 1537, as year after Catherine dies.
 

VVD0D95

Banned
James V, King of Scots (b.1476: d.1530) m Margaret Tudor (b.1489: d.1536)

Issue:

James, Duke of Rothesay (b.1505: d.1506)

Robert, Duke of Rothesay (b.1507: d.1510)

Arthur I, King of Scots (b.1509)

Alexander, Duke of Ross (b.1511)

stillborn daughter (b.1512: d.1512)

Margaret of Scotland (b.1514)

miscarriage (1515)

Elizabeth of Scotland (b.1517)

Malcolm, Duke of Kintyre (b.1519)

stillborn son (b.1521: d.1521)

Mary of Scotland (b.1524)

James V is the younger brother of James IV of Scotland, he takes the throne in 1497, after his brother is assasinated.
 

Zazou

POD: Cromwell sent trusted English ladies to accompany Anne on her journey to England. They guided her through Henry’s courtly love charade. Henry consummated his marriage with Anne on their wedding night. She got pregnant. Also, Francis Durham got Katherine Howard pregnant.

Henry VIII, King of England and Ireland (1491-1547) m.a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1536), m.b) Anne Boleyn (1501-1536) m.c) Jane Seymour (1508-1537) m.d) Anne of Cleves (1515-1557)

1 a. Mary of England (1516-1558) m. Philip, Count Palatine of the Rhine, and Duke of Palatinate-Neuburg (1503-1548) with issue.

2 b. Elizabeth of England (1533-1603) m. William of Orange (1533-1584) [1] with issue.

3 c. Edward VI, King of England and Ireland (1537-1553)

4 d. Edmund I, King of England and Ireland *former Duke of York (1541-1603) m. Anna of Sweden (1545-1610) with issue.

5 d. Henry, Duke of Richmond and Earl of Pembroke (1542-1604) m. Jane Dudley (1551-1611) with issue. [2]

6 d. Margaret of England (1543-1605) m. Frederick II of Denmark and Norway (1534-1588) with issue.



[1] Anna of Saxony married Eric XIV of Sweden. This left William free for Elizabeth.

[2] Alt only daughter of John Dudley 2nd Duke of Northumberland and Anne Seymour. Since Edward VI had protestant heirs the Dudley family didn’t conspire and fall from grace.
 
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Gokbay

Gokbay

Alice I*, Sovereign of the United Commonwealth (b. 1865: d. 1936) m. Peter III and VI of Brazil and Portugal** (b. 1875: d. 1940)
  • John VII***, Sovereign of the United Commonwealth (b. 1902) m. Beatriz, Infanta of Spain (Bourbonist)**** (b. 1909)
    • Peter Charles; Prince of Wales, Duke of Braganza and Mazovia, Prince Imperial of Brazil (b. 1937)
    • Alfonso Edward, Duke of Kent and Poznan (b. 1938)
    • Alice, Princess Royal (b. 1939)
    • Elizabeth/Isabella (b. 1943)
  • Elizabeth/Isabella, Countess of Paris (b. 1904) m. Henry, Count of Paris***** (b. 1908)
    • Had issue
  • Mary (b. 1905), unmarried
  • Henry; Duke of York and Prince of Minsk (b. 1907) m. Cecilie, Princess of Prussia****** (b. 1917)
    • William (b. 1940)
    • Victoria (b. 1944)
  • Catherine, Queen of Denmark-Norway (b. 1910) m. King Frederick IX of Denmark-Norway******* (b. 1899)
    • Had issue

Main POD is Arthur Tudor surviving. Fast forward to 1570s and instead of becoming elective the Crown of Poland-Lithuania (by election) comes to the Catholic Tudor Kings of England. Polish Crown after that is nominally elective but stays with the Tudors/their descendants. Fast Forward to 1740s and Tudors face a succession crisis. Until then England had managed to keep the Catholics and Protestants mostly in peace but both England and English colonies were growing very Protestant (Colonies more so than England itself but in England it would be within 60%-40%). But with the death of the King the Protestant dominated Parliament would invite the Protestant King of Scotland for England, Ireland and the Colonies. A Tudor Duke in Poland would declare himself king with support from the Irish and Polish Nobility, while the former King's daughter would have the support of some colonies, most Catholics in England, Lithuanian and Ruthenian nobles. She would win in Poland with some support by Frederick the Great of Prussia but lose in Britain and colonies. After her the crown would fall to Hanoverians who promised to respect the Sejm and their catholic faith. George I (basically OTL George III) would be recognized by the American rebels as their King in TTL American War of Independence (making US basically a dominion). And by 1790s a Glorious Revolution analogue would occur (the original Stuart takeover was also partially the Glorious Revolution, I suppose. That and the English Civil War) allowing them to reclaim England and Ireland (Stuarts would still keep Scotland). Catholics and those married to Catholics are not barred from succession. In place of the Act of Union (thought Stuarts would have also done basically the OTL one, forming Great Britain) the United Commonwealth would be founded as a Federation and a nominally elective monarchy, combining America, Ireland, England, Poland and Lithuania. Also the French Revolutionary Wars would end by early 1800s and the French 1st Republic would survive (as a result, the House of Orleans are never Kings). Brazil becomes an empire but remains in Personal union with Portugal under Dom Pedro. Succession goes mostly OTL to let "Pedro III and VI" on the throne. Spanish Glorious Revolution of 1868 would still happen, removing the Bourbons but Spain would be partitioned into a Savoyard Aragon and a Hohenzollern Castile/Spain.

* Basically a female George V. But with a somewhat later marriage. Perhaps Albert Victor (or an ATL equivalent) surviving somewhat longer but without issue could explain a marriage that would lead to personal union being allowed.
** Basically Pedro de Alcântara, Prince of Grão-Pará. The children are mostly based on his OTL children but aged up 9 years.
*** Partially based on Pedro Gastão.
**** OTL person but with a much more prestigious marriage.
***** Is not a pretender to France due to no Orleans Monarchy.
****** No world wars ITTL (yet) and also no "Germany", Prussia remains a monarchy. She would be the daughter of Wilhelm, German Crown Prince who OTL married an American Soldier in 1949.
******* 1. Denmark keeps Norway with the lack of Napoleonic Wars. 2. Also without the Napoleonic Wars, Bernadottes do not become the Royal Family of Sweden. Frederick's OTL wife therefore doesn't exist. I think this marriage is a suitable enough replacement.
 
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isabella

Reworked tree for Another Anjou Queen of England (Still WIP)
POD: The future Edward IV married before becoming King

Richard, Duke of York (1411-1460) married Cecily Neville (b. 1415)
  1. Anne of York (b. 1439) married Henry Holland, Duke of Exeter (b. 1430) with issues
  2. Henry of York (1441)
  3. Edward IV, King of England (b. 1442) married a) Isabella of Lorraine (1445-1465)* in 1452 b) Eleanor Talbot (1436-1469) in 1465 c) Anne of Savoy (b. 1455) in 1470
    1. a) Edward V, King of England (b. 1461) married Mary, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1457)**
    2. a) Elizabeth (b. 1463) married Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459)
    3. a) Cecily (1465-1473)
    4. b) Eleanor (b. 1466) married Francis I, King of Navarre (b. 1467)
    5. b) Richard, Duke of York and Norfolk (b. 1468) married Anne Mowbray, Countess of Norfolk (b. 1472)
    6. b) John, Duke of Bedford (1469-1470)
    7. c) George, Duke of Cambridge (1471)
    8. c) Anne (b. 1472) married Charles VIII, King of France (b. 1470)
    9. c) Edmund, Duke of Rutland (1473-1475)
    10. c) Yolanda (1475-1478)
    11. c) Madeleine (b. 1476) married James IV, King of Scotland (b. 1473)
    12. c) Catherine (b. 1478) married John VI, Duke of Brittany (b. 1463)***
  4. Edmund, Earl of Rutland (1443-1460)
  5. Elizabeth of York (b. 1444) married John de la Pole, Duke of Suffolk (b. 1442) with issues
  6. Margaret of York (b.1446) married Charles I, Duke of Burgundy (b. 1433) without issues
  7. William of York (1447-1452)
  8. John of York (1448-1449)
  9. George, Duke of Clarence (b. 1449) married Margaret Tudor (b. 1457)**** with issues
  10. Thomas of York (1450-1451)
  11. Richard, Duke of Gloucester (b. 1452) married Anne Neville (b. 1456) with issues
  12. Ursula of York (1455-1456)



NOTES:
* Isabelle of Lorraine is niece of Queen Marguerite (and also niece by marriage of Charles the Bold) and the elder sister of Nicholas of Lorraine
** Edward married Mary after inheriting Lorraine from his childless uncle
*** John is the son of Francis II of Brittany and his first wife Margaret of Brittany. Catherine is his second wife (he had only two surviving daughters by his first wedding to Catherine of Navarre (1468-1490), niece of his stepmother). John’s half-sister Anne (b. 1477) was married to John d’Albret (b.1469)
**** Margaret Tudor would be OTL Henry VII born as girl. She is a very rich heiress so George married her leaving Warwick’s eldest daughter to someone else
 
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RedKing

RedKing

Here's one where Margaret of Austria's stillborn daughter lives:

John, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) M. Margaret of Austria (1480-1533), had issue

1. Queen Isabella II of Castile (1498-1555), reigned from 1505 [1] . Alfonso of Aragon [2] (1489-1522), had issue

1 (A). Princess Margaret of Castile and Aragon (1518-1570) M. Duke Francis III of Brittany (1518-1538)
1 (B). Prince John, later King John III of Castile and IV of Aragon (1520-1580) reigned from 1555 in Castile and in Aragon M. Marguerite of Valois (1523-1576)
1 (C). Princess Isabella of Castile and Aragon (1522-1570) M. Philip of the Holy Roman Empire [3] (1527-1598)


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[1] Isabella I of Castile lives longer with the relief of her Granddaughter's birth.
[2] A distant relative of the Trastamara who is married to Isabella to save the House of Trastamara.
[3] OTL Philip II, not sure how many Emperor Philips there were so I just named him that.
 
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isabella

RedKing said:
Here's one where Margaret of Austria's stillborn daughter lives:

John, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) M. Margaret of Austria (1480-1533), had issue

1. Queen Isabella II of Castile (1498-1555), reigned from 1505 [1] . King John III of Aragon [2] (1506-1568), had issue

1 (A). Princess Margaret of Castile and Aragon (1522-1570) M. Duke Francis III of Brittany (1518-1538)
1 (B). Prince John, later King John III of Castile and IV of Aragon (1524-1580) reigned from 1555 in Castile and 1568 in Aragon M. Marguerite of Valois (1523-1576)
1 (C). Princess Isabella of Castile and Aragon (1526-1570) M. Philip of the Holy Roman Empire [3] (1527-1598)


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[1] Isabella I of Castile lives longer with the relief of her Granddaughter's birth.
[2] An alt son of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Germaine of Foix, the marriage is made in order to save the Iberian Union and the Trastamara Dynasty.
[3] OTL Philip II, not sure how many Emperor Philips there were so I just named him that.
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No need for Ferdinand to remarry here. Little Isabella will marry either Miguel or John III of Portugal
 
RedKing

RedKing

isabella said:
No need for Ferdinand to remarry here. Little Isabella will marry either Miguel or John III of Portugal
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True, but he may see a golden opportunity for the House of Trastamara to be saved. That and also his nobles might not be content with a young girl as their heir and so may pressure Ferdinand into remarrying.
 
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