List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage

[kasumigenx]

Charles II and m. Claudia Felicitas of Austria(a)

1a. James II and VI of Britain b. 1669

~further issue

James, Duke of York m. Catherine of Braganza b. 1638 d. 1669(a) Isabel II of Spain b. 1652(b)[1]

1a. Mary of York b. 1662

2a. Charles, Duke of York b. 1668

3b. Infanta Anna b. 1670

4b. Charles III of Spain b. 1672

~further issue

1.Daughter of Mariana of Austria and Baltasar Carlos of Spain

 

[isabella]

I made him marry a Braganza girl to silence the Braganzas.

No way who Spain would do that and Baltasar Carlos was long engaged to Mariana and Spain would NEVER willing exchange an Austrian Archduches with who? The daughter of a rebel nobleman? The daughter of an usurper? There is a reason for which Catarina of Braganza in OTL was offered to an illegitimate son of the King of Spain. Maybe Joana can become the second wife of Felipe IV if Balthasar lived and that already would be hard enough to accept for Spain, but she is simply unacceptable as wife of Balthasar.
You are talking of Spain (you know who the ones who insisted for having absolutely the eldest daughter of the King of France as bride for their future King, because the second daughter was less prestigious and so not worth enough, and that putting aside the fact who the second sister was only slightly younger and more suited for age and the eldest was already engaged in Savoy)

 

[VVD0D95]

Richard III of England (b.1473:d.1524) m Joanna of Castile (b.1479)

Issue

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1496:d.1507)

Elizabeth of England (b.1497)

Richard IV of England (b.1499)

Joanna of England (b.1502)

Miscarriage in 1504

Miscarriage in 1506

William, Duke of Rutland (b.1508)

 

[VVD0D95]

Richard III of England (b.1473:d.1524) m Joanna of Castile (b.1479)

Issue

Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1496:d.1507)

Elizabeth of England (b.1497)

Richard IV of England (b.1499)

Joanna of England (b.1502)

Miscarriage in 1504

Miscarriage in 1506

William, Duke of Rutland (b.1508)

Related to the above:

Edward IV of England (b.1442: d.1483) m Elizabeth Wydeville (b.1437: d.1492)

Issue:

Elizabeth of York (b.1466) m Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459)]

Mary of York (b.1467: d.1482)

Cecily of York (b.1469) m James IV of Scotland (b.1473)

Edward V of England (b.1470: d.1485)

Richard III of England (b.1473) m 1. Anne de Mowbray (b.1472: d.1481) 2. Joanna of Castile (b.1479)

Anne of York (b.1475)

Catherine of York (b.1479)

Bridget of York (b.1480)

Unsure about who Anne of York would marry if Elizabeth is married to Max and unsure about who Catherine would marry if Richard is married to Juana

 

[RedKing]

Here's a tree where Henry VIII marries Catherine in 1506:

King Henry VIII (11491-1549), reigned from 1510 [1], M. Catherine of Aragon (1485-1547), had issue:

1. Princess Elizabeth (1507-1547) M. King John III of Portugal (1502-1557), reigned from 1521, had issue:

1 (A). Princess Isabella Maria (1525)
1 (B). Princess Manuela Joanna (1527)
1 (C). Prince John-Henry (1529)
1 (D). Prince Manuel (1531)

2. Prince Arthur, later King Arthur I (1508-1559) M. Catherine of Austria (1507-1572), had issue:

2 (A). Prince Henry, later King Henry IX (1525)
2 (B). Princess Catherine (1528)

3. Princess Margaret (1511-1561) M. King James V (1512-1547), reigned from 1513, had issue:

3 (A). Prince James, Duke of Rothesay, later King James VI (1529)
3 (B). Princess Margaret (1531)
3 (C). Prince Henry, Duke of Lothian (1534)
3 (D). Princess Mary (1536)

4. Prince Henry, Duke of York (1515-1540) M. Anne Parr (1515-1550), had issue:

4 (A). Lady Catherine (1538)
4 (B). Lady Anne (1541) [2]

5. Princess Mary [3] (1516-1560) M. Dauphin Francis of France (1518-1536), had issue:

5 (A). King Henry II of France (1534)
5 (B). Prince Francis of France, Duke of Anjou [4] (1537)


....

[1] Henry VII lives longer due to the birth of his Grandchildren
[2] Posthumous issue
[3] OTL Queen Mary II
[4] Posthumous issue

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Unsure about who Anne of York would marry if Elizabeth is married to Max and unsure about who Catherine would marry if Richard is married to Juana

Max might want to sell his sister-in-law to Vladislaus II of Bohemia-Hungary in order from preventing him from marrying French bride.

 

[VVD0D95]

Max might want to sell his sister-in-law to Vladislaus II of Bohemia-Hungary in order from preventing him from marrying French bride.

He’d need an agreement from Richard first I think

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

He’d need an agreement from Richard first I think

Yeah, but it's not a bad match for Richard - his sister gets to be a Queen and is not a hindrance in domestic politics.

 

[VVD0D95]

Yeah, but it's not a bad match for Richard - his sister gets to be a Queen and is not a hindrance in domestic politics.

True though the area to which she’d be queen of isn’t quite tied to English interests yet

 

[Zazou]

Related to the above:

Edward IV of England (b.1442: d.1483) m Elizabeth Wydeville (b.1437: d.1492)

Issue:

Elizabeth of York (b.1466) m Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b.1459)]

Mary of York (b.1467: d.1482)

Cecily of York (b.1469) m James IV of Scotland (b.1473)

Edward V of England (b.1470: d.1485)

Richard III of England (b.1473) m 1. Anne de Mowbray (b.1472: d.1481) 2. Joanna of Castile (b.1479)

Anne of York (b.1475)

Catherine of York (b.1479)

Bridget of York (b.1480)

Unsure about who Anne of York would marry if Elizabeth is married to Max and unsure about who Catherine would marry if Richard is married to Juana

Since Richard III marries Joanna then Philip the Handsome is an option for either Anne or Catherine.

 

[VVD0D95]

Since Richard III marries Joanna then Philip the Handsome is an option for either Anne or Catherine.

Liz marrying max won’t discount them?

 

[Awkwardvulture]

Liz marrying max won’t discount them?

Maybe Phillip could marry Maria of Aragon or Catherine of Aragon instead if the dispensation isn't forthcoming....

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

True though the area to which she’d be queen of isn’t quite tied to English interests yet

There are scarcely any marriages for her in English interests.

 

[HortenseMancini]

There are scarcely any marriages for her in English interests.

If she could get Philip the handsome, that would be a good match and in line with English interests. It all depends on whether a dispensation could be got.

 

[isabella]

Liz marrying max won’t discount them?

No, as both England and Burgundy would be interested in a direct tie, who they have not, and is unlikely who the Pope will NOT give a dispensation for Philip and Anne

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

If she could get Philip the handsome, that would be a good match and in line with English interests. It all depends on whether a dispensation could be got.

Since the need of Habsburg-Spanish alliance still exists, Philip would've probably marry Maria of Aragon.

 

[isabella]

Since the need of Habsburg-Spanish alliance still exists, Philip would've probably marry Maria of Aragon.

Not if Philip is already engaged (and likely married at this point) to Anne of York. A single match between Juan and Margaret is more likely at this point.

 

[Zygmunt Stary]

Not if Philip is already engaged (and likely married at this point) to Anne of York. A single match between Juan and Margaret is more likely at this point.

And that's essentialy an random thing. EIV could think that Max-Liz match is enough.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

Arthur Stewart (son of James IV) lives.

Arthur I (1509-1563) King of Scotland 1513, King of England 1554 (with Mary until 1558) m. a) Renée of France (1510-1550) b) Mary of England (1516-1558)

1a) James (1530-1535)

2a) Margaret (1533)

3a) Anne (1535-1587) m. Philip II (1527-1598) King of Spain

4a) Margaret (1537-1599) m. Henry II (1519-1566) King of France*

5a) James (1540-1546)

6a) Arthur II (1542-1602) King of England and Scotland 1563, m. Claude of France (1547-1575)

7a) Alexander (1545-1546)

8a) Mary (1550)

* OTTL Catherine de Medicis died in childbirth in 1556, Henry II OTOH lives a bit longer, as he avoids jousting accident

 

[VVD0D95]

Arthur Stewart (son of James IV) lives.

Arthur I (1509-1563) King of Scotland 1513, King of England 1554 (with Mary until 1558) m. a) Renée of France (1510-1550) b) Mary of England (1516-1558)

1a) James (1530-1535)

2a) Margaret (1533)

3a) Anne (1535-1587) m. Philip II (1527-1598) King of Spain

4a) Margaret (1537-1599) m. Henry II (1519-1566) King of France*

5a) James (1540-1546)

6a) Arthur II (1542-1602) King of England and Scotland 1563, m. Claude of France (1547-1575)

7a) Alexander (1545-1546)

8a) Mary (1550)

* OTTL Catherine de Medicis died in childbirth in 1556, Henry II OTOH lives a bit longer, as he avoids jousting accident

Arthur II is Arthur I and Mary's kid I'm assuming?