Flag Thread IV

[ToxicStorm22]

"It's hard to tell which flag I see more each day, the stars and stripes of the nation, or the stars and eagle of the party that controls it."

 

[Ephraim Ben Raphael]

"It's hard to tell which flag I see more each day, the stars and stripes of the nation, or the stars and eagle of the party that controls it."

Ooh, that's a fun flag.

 

[Scipio Africanus Major]

Some more flags i made besides Abbasid and Ummayad
ps: DaiViet is just "DaiViet" because i didn't come up with it's form of government, yet

edit: made some small tweaks to Roman, Japanese and DaiViet flags
edit 2: i know brittany is spelled wrong

 

[PolishMagnet]

The Republic of Andongo:

For one reason or another, Portugal remains a monarchy. Portuguese-educated Mesticos in modern Angola try to push for a mixed-ethnicity national identity the same way Latin Americans did in the 18th Century, and create the "Sociedade de Andongo" (Andongo being a new "nationalist" name for Angola, derived from Ndongo the same way Angola was derived from Ngola). The movement is also influenced by Sukarno's Indonesia and comes into conflict with Black Nationalist groups (which were largely communist). The result is a right-wing Nationalist movement that the Portugese government is more willing to negotiate with. The Portuguese Empire formally accepts the independence of the "Republic of Andongo" in 1964 and maintains close relations.

First flag of the Andongo Society, later replaced for having "communist symbols"

Second and current flag of the Republic of Andongo, bearing the national machete which is standard issue for all militia and military forces.

The Republic has been accused of many human rights abuses over the course of its lifetime, but it has been praised by many Portuguese and right-wing commentators for "keeping order in a cutthroat region". In 2008, dictator-for-life [redacted] died and the military seized control of the government. General [redacted] declared the intention of the government to hold the country's first elections since independence, and in 2012 the state of emergency was lifted. The first democratic government, formed mostly by the National Democratic Party, reaffirmed the nation's alliance with Portugal and the European Union. Economic reform and new social programs were also promised. The country ranks fifth in HDI (Human Development Index) for Africa, just after Tunisia. Corruption is fairly low but the military is widely considered the strongest in Africa.

 

[Aztekk]

Flag of the Golden Circle Party
Part of a "darker" Confederate victory TL. POD's the same as Turtledove's TL 191, although the story itself is much different.
In 1867, Robert E. Lee of the libertarian Patriot Party wins a heated presidential race against hardline Southron Nathan Bedford Forrest. Starting with Lee's victory, the Confederacy undergoes a tumultuous process of political reorganization as national politics become dominated by the progressive-minded Patriots, while the South's plantation class firmly resists any attempt at social reform. These people think that the Patriots have betrayed the Southern ideals which brought about the Confederacy in the first place, while the Patriots understand that the only way to rescue the CSA from decades of stagnation and decay is through change.

In 1873, the Patriots win yet again, placing P. G. T. Beauregard in Richmond. He is even more progressive than Lee, although less able to wrestle with a riotous Congress dominated by right-wing Whig conservatives and hardline Dixie reactionaries, led by Forrest. In 1875, Forrest forms the Golden Circle Party, an alliance of ultra-nationalist, conservative, anti-abolitionist radicals which advocate for aggressive territorial expansionism southwards to a), curb the United States' power, and b), to ensure the continuation of slavery.

The party does stunningly well in the 1876 midterms, although they still trail behind the Whigs (the Dixies have joined the GCP by this point). Forrest's death a year later threatens to upset the movement; however, popular figures such as Jubal Early and Roger A. Pryor would continue the movement. Jubal is nominated for President in 1879, but he barely stands a chance against the Patriots' ultra-popular James Longstreet, and he comes second in the race.

The GCP would orchestrate acts of violence and discrimination against blacks. Patriot legislation largely reduced slavery into a very small and economically insignificant practice, with only 4% of the CSA's black population remaining in servitude. The right to vote had been granted in 1878; indeed, Longstreet's victory could've been largely attributed to the Patriots' dominance of the black vote. The GCP clearly opposed this, and the mass murder of blacks across the countryside was becoming a serious issue, aggravated by the local authorities' support for these atrocities. In 1881, Longstreet banned the GCP and arrested its leadership, claiming that the party was a "radical institution of evil".

Many accused Longstreet of eliminating the GCP for political gain, since now Congress was almost entirely composed of Patriots. For the regular folk of the Confederacy, who had fought and died to end authoritarianism from a central government, it was an unforgivable betrayal of Southern principles. Rioting and violence ensued, primarily in the more rural Deep South states. The military was called in to suppress the unrest; however, soldiers refused to follow Longstreet's orders, and many joined the protestors in droves. State governments also ignored Richmond's commands, demanding instead an end to the ban against the GCP, as well as a termination to the government's liberal agenda. Just a few days after the outbreak, Congress passed a law officially suspending the autonomy of all riotous states, and called for the formation of pro-government guerrillas to combat the insurrection.

Late in the autumn of 1881, Alabama became the first state to secede from the Confederate States. End Part I.

 

[Born in the USSA]

View attachment 525278
Flag of the Golden Circle Party
Part of a "darker" Confederate victory TL. POD's the same as Turtledove's TL 191, although the story itself is much different.
In 1867, Robert E. Lee of the libertarian Patriot Party wins a heated presidential race against hardline Southron Nathan Bedford Forrest. Starting with Lee's victory, the Confederacy undergoes a tumultuous process of political reorganization as national politics become dominated by the progressive-minded Patriots, while the South's plantation class firmly resists any attempt at social reform. These people think that the Patriots have betrayed the Southern ideals which brought about the Confederacy in the first place, while the Patriots understand that the only way to rescue the CSA from decades of stagnation and decay is through change.

In 1873, the Patriots win yet again, placing P. G. T. Beauregard in Richmond. He is even more progressive than Lee, although less able to wrestle with a riotous Congress dominated by right-wing Whig conservatives and hardline Dixie reactionaries, led by Forrest. In 1875, Forrest forms the Golden Circle Party, an alliance of ultra-nationalist, conservative, anti-abolitionist radicals which advocate for aggressive territorial expansionism southwards to a), curb the United States' power, and b), to ensure the continuation of slavery.

The party does stunningly well in the 1876 midterms, although they still trail behind the Whigs (the Dixies have joined the GCP by this point). Forrest's death a year later threatens to upset the movement; however, popular figures such as Jubal Early and Roger A. Pryor would continue the movement. Jubal is nominated for President in 1879, but he barely stands a chance against the Patriots' ultra-popular James Longstreet, and he comes second in the race.

The GCP would orchestrate acts of violence and discrimination against blacks. Patriot legislation largely reduced slavery into a very small and economically insignificant practice, with only 4% of the CSA's black population remaining in servitude. The right to vote had been granted in 1878; indeed, Longstreet's victory could've been largely attributed to the Patriots' dominance of the black vote. The GCP clearly opposed this, and the mass murder of blacks across the countryside was becoming a serious issue, aggravated by the local authorities' support for these atrocities. In 1881, Longstreet banned the GCP and arrested its leadership, claiming that the party was a "radical institution of evil".

Many accused Longstreet of eliminating the GCP for political gain, since now Congress was almost entirely composed of Patriots. For the regular folk of the Confederacy, who had fought and died to end authoritarianism from a central government, it was an unforgivable betrayal of Southern principles. Rioting and violence ensued, primarily in the more rural Deep South states. The military was called in to suppress the unrest; however, soldiers refused to follow Longstreet's orders, and many joined the protestors in droves. State governments also ignored Richmond's commands, demanding instead an end to the ban against the GCP, as well as a termination to the government's liberal agenda. Just a few days after the outbreak, Congress passed a law officially suspending the autonomy of all riotous states, and called for the formation of pro-government guerrillas to combat the insurrection.

Late in the autumn of 1881, Alabama became the first state to secede from the Confederate States. End Part I.

That's super neat

 

[Historyman 14]

View attachment 525278
Flag of the Golden Circle Party
Part of a "darker" Confederate victory TL. POD's the same as Turtledove's TL 191, although the story itself is much different.
In 1867, Robert E. Lee of the libertarian Patriot Party wins a heated presidential race against hardline Southron Nathan Bedford Forrest. Starting with Lee's victory, the Confederacy undergoes a tumultuous process of political reorganization as national politics become dominated by the progressive-minded Patriots, while the South's plantation class firmly resists any attempt at social reform. These people think that the Patriots have betrayed the Southern ideals which brought about the Confederacy in the first place, while the Patriots understand that the only way to rescue the CSA from decades of stagnation and decay is through change.

In 1873, the Patriots win yet again, placing P. G. T. Beauregard in Richmond. He is even more progressive than Lee, although less able to wrestle with a riotous Congress dominated by right-wing Whig conservatives and hardline Dixie reactionaries, led by Forrest. In 1875, Forrest forms the Golden Circle Party, an alliance of ultra-nationalist, conservative, anti-abolitionist radicals which advocate for aggressive territorial expansionism southwards to a), curb the United States' power, and b), to ensure the continuation of slavery.

The party does stunningly well in the 1876 midterms, although they still trail behind the Whigs (the Dixies have joined the GCP by this point). Forrest's death a year later threatens to upset the movement; however, popular figures such as Jubal Early and Roger A. Pryor would continue the movement. Jubal is nominated for President in 1879, but he barely stands a chance against the Patriots' ultra-popular James Longstreet, and he comes second in the race.

The GCP would orchestrate acts of violence and discrimination against blacks. Patriot legislation largely reduced slavery into a very small and economically insignificant practice, with only 4% of the CSA's black population remaining in servitude. The right to vote had been granted in 1878; indeed, Longstreet's victory could've been largely attributed to the Patriots' dominance of the black vote. The GCP clearly opposed this, and the mass murder of blacks across the countryside was becoming a serious issue, aggravated by the local authorities' support for these atrocities. In 1881, Longstreet banned the GCP and arrested its leadership, claiming that the party was a "radical institution of evil".

Many accused Longstreet of eliminating the GCP for political gain, since now Congress was almost entirely composed of Patriots. For the regular folk of the Confederacy, who had fought and died to end authoritarianism from a central government, it was an unforgivable betrayal of Southern principles. Rioting and violence ensued, primarily in the more rural Deep South states. The military was called in to suppress the unrest; however, soldiers refused to follow Longstreet's orders, and many joined the protestors in droves. State governments also ignored Richmond's commands, demanding instead an end to the ban against the GCP, as well as a termination to the government's liberal agenda. Just a few days after the outbreak, Congress passed a law officially suspending the autonomy of all riotous states, and called for the formation of pro-government guerrillas to combat the insurrection.

Late in the autumn of 1881, Alabama became the first state to secede from the Confederate States. End Part I.

Thus the beginning of the end.

Meanwhile, the Union is gearing up to invade and reclaim Dixie while whatever allies the CSA has start to panic.

 

[Born in the USSA]

Do the Patriots have their own flag? What's the political situation in the Union?

 

[Aztekk]

Do the Patriots have their own flag? What's the political situation in the Union?

Currently working on the Patriot flag. As for the Union, they're in no better shape: they've lost a separate war against Britain and France, which cost them some territory but most importantly, their pride. Losing two wars back-to-back has obviously led to the rise of both socialism and fascism, although both movements remain in their infancy. The dark clouds of civil conflict, however, tower somberly over the horizon.

 

[Historyman 14]

Currently working on the Patriot flag. As for the Union, they're in no better shape: they've lost a separate war against Britain and France, which cost them some territory but most importantly, their pride. Losing two wars back-to-back has obviously led to the rise of both socialism and fascism, although both movements remain in their infancy. The dark clouds of civil conflict, however, tower somberly over the horizon.

Which territory might I ask?

Honestly, third time the charm if the Union can successful invade the Southland during it own civil war.

 

[Aztekk]

Which territory might I ask?

Honestly, third time the charm if the Union can successful invade the Southland during it own civil war.

The Yankees gave up Maine, Washington State, and Oregon. They took a pretty rough beating.

 

[Historyman 14]

The Yankees gave up Maine, Washington State, and Oregon. They took a pretty rough beating.

Damn. I'm surprised the British went that far. Seem to pretty much damned future relations with America.

 

[EmperorSimeon]

Here is a flag of the Empire of New Rum, now known as the Republic of New Rum from this world https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/fromtheashes-png.515432/

 

[Aztekk]

Colors of the Freedom Army
Letter from Corporal Benjamin "Ben" Leland, 18th Alabama Freedom.

We've been whipping them nigger-lovers good these past few days. We ain't got no minutes' rest though; Wheeler's been up and down the river, dishing them kaffir-kissers hell all the way through. We saw some real good fighting over in this lil' town named Loudon, but after a few days we managed to break their ranks and head straight for Knoxville. Us 'bama boys were placed front-row in the assault... however, Hood's boys botched the attack over the river (damn Texas ain't don't know how to hold a damn rifle) and we were whipped real hard. Wheeler called in a siege of the city. However, if we can't break the deadlock before winter comes, we'll be screwed right up our ass.

I don't know a lotta stuff, now, but after spending so much time with a rifle I've sure as hell learned to note friend from foe. And lemme tell you, it's been getting real damn hard telling which of these dirty Tennessee boys are which. The brass been telling us the western folk are our allies... me and my boys, we don't buy shit. Just last week, one of those supposed friends blew a hole through Sergeant Chiltern's brains... turns out he was a goddamn nigger-loving bastard. With the supplies running short, things are getting real hot in camp. I sure as hell pray to God Almighty that He sends those nigger-loving devils in Knoxville right to hell so we can keep on marching to Richmond and hang that Longstreet son-of-a-bitch by the beard. If He doesn't... well, if He doesn't, then we're the ones going to hell.


Excerpt from Jonathan Langley's The Tennessee Campaign of 1883-1884.

The Battle of Knoxville wiped out 11,000 of the Freedom camp's best fighting men. Despite his numeric inferiority and overwhelming lack of supplies, Ewell admirably held what was considered an "indefensible position". Disobeying orders to abandon the garrison and facing the disapproval of his own men, the old veteran firmly stood his ground and managed one of the most impressive victories of the war. Wheeler's undermanned VII Corps, having taken the brunt of the casualties in the campaign so far, was tasked with pinning down Ewell's troops and inflict as many losses as possible, while John Bell Hood's 8th Texas Freedom Division attacked from South Knoxville.

The attack began on 17 November 1883, with the 18th Alabama leading the march. Issues were immediately faced when the Freedom soldiers faced impenetrable artillery positions in the hills of Concord, which significantly bogged down Wheeler's advance. A quick although costly cavalry action further north succeeded in funneling the entirety of the VII Corps into Ewell's strongest positions. Wheeler would only manage to dislodge from the meat-grinder in the afternoon of 18 November, after one of the deadliest charges of the entire war. As per Ewell's calculations, Wheeler's forces were so spent that the attack on Knoxville itself could not be mounted.

To make matters worse, Hood's forces still hadn't arrived: the Texan general had failed to grasp the seriousness of the operation and he was leisurely making his way up the Tennessine countryside. A telegram sent on the morning of 19 November was enough to hasten Hood's arrival. He could still make a lightning assault over the Tennessee River and force Ewell to divert his forces, buying Wheeler time to reorganize and replenish his strength. At 5:40 PM, Wheeler notified Hood of the plan, and readied an offensive to distract the enemy of Hood's movement.

General Hood, however, failed to strike at the virtually undefended rear of Knoxville and wasted precious time assaulting an insignificant garrison in Kingsley Station, which alerted Ewell of Hood's stratagem. He sent his remaining cavalry to intercept and rout Hood, massacring hundreds of his soldiers within minutes. Hood's division was completely vulnerable, and it would've been extinguished hadn't Wheeler's remaining units not arrived to pull him out. By the early hours of 20 November, the battle was over.

The ensuing Siege of Knoxville would last all winter, and ravage the very backbone of the Freedom Army. "I pray to the Lord that I'm spared Hell when my Day of Judgement arrives," wrote Wheeler on the night of the 21st, "for I have seen it with my own eyes, and I shuddered in fear."

 

[Born in the USSA]

View attachment 525404
Colors of the Freedom Army
Letter from Corporal Benjamin "Ben" Leland, 18th Alabama Freedom.

We've been whipping them nigger-lovers good these past few days. We ain't got no minutes' rest though; Wheeler's been up and down the river, dishing them kaffir-kissers hell all the way through. We saw some real good fighting over in this lil' town named Loudon, but after a few days we managed to break their ranks and head straight for Knoxville. Us 'bama boys were placed front-row in the assault... however, Hood's boys botched the attack over the river (damn Texas ain't don't know how to hold a damn rifle) and we were whipped real hard. Wheeler called in a siege of the city. However, if we can't break the deadlock before winter comes, we'll be screwed right up our ass.

I don't know a lotta stuff, now, but after spending so much time with a rifle I've sure as hell learned to note friend from foe. And lemme tell you, it's been getting real damn hard telling which of these dirty Tennessee boys are which. The brass been telling us the western folk are our allies... me and my boys, we don't buy shit. Just last week, one of those supposed friends blew a hole throw Sergeant Chiltern's brains... turns out he was a goddamn nigger-loving bastard. With the supplies running short, things are getting real hot in camp. I sure as hell pray to God Almighty that He sends those nigger-loving devils in Knoxville right to hell so we can keep on marching to Richmond and hang that Longstreet son-of-a-bitch by the beard. If He doesn't... well, if He doesn't, then we're the ones going to hell.


Excerpt from Jonathan Langley's The Tennessee Campaign of 1883-1884.

The Battle of Knoxville wiped out 11,000 of the Freedom camp's best fighting men. Despite his numeric inferiority and overwhelming lack of supplies, Ewell admirably held what was considered an "indefensible position". Disobeying orders to abandon the garrison and facing the disapproval of his own men, the old veteran firmly stood his ground and managed one of the most impressive victories of the war. Wheeler's undermanned VII Corps, having taken the brunt of the casualties so far, was tasked with pinning down Ewell's troops and inflict as many casualties as possible, while John Bell Hood's 8th Texas Freedom Division attacked from South Knoxville.

The attack began on 17 November 1883, with the 18th Alabama leading the march. Issues were immediately faced when the Freedom soldiers faced impenetrable artillery positions in the hills of Concord, which significantly bogged down Wheeler's advance. A quick although costly cavalry action further north succeeded in funneling the entirety of the VII Corps into Ewell's strongest positions. Wheeler would only manage to dislodge from the meat-grinder in the afternoon of 18 November, after one of the deadliest charges of the entire war. As per Ewell's calculations, Wheeler's forces were so spent that the attack on Knoxville itself could not be mounted.

To make matters worse, Hood's forces still hadn't arrived: the Texan general had failed to grasp the seriousness of the operation and he was leisurely making his way up the Tennessine countryside. A telegram sent on the morning of 19 November was enough to hasten Hood's arrival. He could still make a lightning assault over the Tennessee River and force Ewell to divert his forces, buying Wheeler time to reorganize and replenish his strength. At 5:40 PM, Wheeler notified Hood of the plan, and readied an offensive to distract the enemy of Hood's movement.

General Hood, however, failed to strike at the virtually undefended rear of Knoxville and wasted precious time assaulting an insignificant garrison in Kingsley Station, which alerted Ewell of Hood's stratagem. He sent his remaining cavalry to intercept and rout Hood, massacring hundreds of his soldiers within minutes. Hood's division was completely vulnerable, and it would've been extinguished hadn't Wheeler's remaining units not arrived to pull him out. By the early hours of 20 November, the battle was over.

The ensuing Siege of Knoxville would last all winter, and ravage the very backbone of the Freedom Army. "I pray to the Lord that I'm spared Hell when my Day of Judgement arrives," wrote Wheeler on the night of the 21st, "for I have seen it with my own eyes, and I shuddered in fear."

Confederate civil wars: not for the faint hearted. The worldbuilding deepens, I'm into it.

 

[WhiteDragon25]

It's been a while since I last posted any flags, huh? Well, continuing from my last post here that featured Star Wars-themed flags, here's three more with that same theme:

First off, the flag of the Galactic Republic, which existed since the Ruusan Reformation in 1000 BBY (Before Battle of Yavin) to the end of the Clone Wars in 19 BBY.

Next up, the flag of the Confederacy of Independent Systems - also known as the Separatist Alliance - which existed during the Clone Wars between 22 BBY to 19 BBY.

And lastly the flag of the Rebel Alliance/New Republic, operating under the former title from ~19 BBY to 4 ABY (After Battle of Yavin), and under the latter title from 4 ABY to 19 ABY.

And that's all for tonight! Until next time!

 

[NorthTension]

And that's all for tonight! Until next time!

You thinking about doing the GFFA or the canon New Republic next?

 

[Gokbay]

And that's all for tonight! Until next time!

Technically the actual (official) name of the Rebel Alliance was "the Alliance to Restore the Republic". Also are you planning to do Empire of the Hand flag?

 

[WhiteDragon25]

You thinking about doing the GFFA or the canon New Republic next?

The (Disney) canon New Republic flag is likely to be the same as the Legends one, so the one here should work just as well for both of them; as for the GFFA, I haven't really delved into it much (or at all, really), so I don't know its emblem all that well... besides, the NJO series is infamously terrible anyways, and I find the name of the GFFA to be stupid as well (because really!? "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances"? It's just a dumb backronym made up as a cute reference to "Galaxy Far Far Away").

Technically the actual (official) name of the Rebel Alliance was "the Alliance to Restore the Republic". Also are you planning to do Empire of the Hand flag?

Yeah, whatever, I was just using the commonly known colloquial name. As for the Empire of the Hand: I want to, and wish I could, but unfortunately I can't seem to find any good reference images of the EotH symbol used by the Thrawn's Revenge mod for EaW:FoC. However, I am playing around with making some Imperial Warlord-themed flags, so you can look forward to that.

 

[NorthTension]

The (Disney) canon New Republic flag is likely to be the same as the Legends one, so the one here should work just as well for both of them; as for the GFFA, I haven't really delved into it much (or at all, really), so I don't know its emblem all that well... besides, the NJO series is infamously terrible anyways, and I find the name of the GFFA to be stupid as well (because really!? "Galactic Federation of Free Alliances"? It's just a dumb backronym made up as a cute reference to "Galaxy Far Far Away").



Yeah, whatever, I was just using the commonly known colloquial name. As for the Empire of the Hand: I want to, and wish I could, but unfortunately I can't seem to find any good reference images of the EotH symbol used by the Thrawn's Revenge mod for EaW:FoC. However, I am playing around with making some Imperial Warlord-themed flags, so you can look forward to that.

Was asking more cause they do have different symbols