Honestly, I'd rather have had another round of Taft. Wilson deserves the memetic monster status he has on this site.
Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War
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He was racist enough to be Grand Wizard, but superficially genteel about it most of the time.
He did pass some good social services and economic policies for white people, though, so people remember him well even though he made jackals look pleasant.
As I said, I'd be happy to get book recommendations. Thinking about the Berg biography.
I recall reading a TL on this site (semi-recently) where Hitler grew up in the US and he found a kindred spirit and mentor in Wilson. It was terrifying how well they lined up with each other (obviously not full OTL Hitler-level but still).
EDIT: we’ve gone from talking about socialism in the US to Jackson, Wilson, and now Hitler in a Civil War TL.
The Iron Eagle: An Adolf Hitler Presidency | alternatehistory.comI recall reading a TL on this site (semi-recently) where Hitler grew up in the US and he found a kindred spirit and mentor in Wilson. It was terrifying how well they lined up with each other (obviously not full OTL Hitler-level but still).
EDIT: we’ve gone from talking about socialism in the US to Jackson, Wilson, and now Hitler in a Civil War TL.
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Well, African Americans have been the subject of killings by police, like the murder of George Floyd, when he was kneed to the neck for like 9 minutes. You're just not self-esteemed. So better shaddup, since he was a legendary rapper. You want me to explain it to you all over again? Fuck off to the murder of George Floyd on Wikipedia! Just literally read the page so it explains more, but also the goddamn slave trade was also a freaking joke cuz it was raping every black people.
Well, gee. this has really opened my eyes...
...to the fact that you've had three actions in the last three months, the last of which expired 16 hours ago.
Not going to play this sort of game. Life's too short, ya know?
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Well... that has to be one of the stranger tirades I've seen in a successful suicide-by-mod attempt in a while....
Though, having seen some of his other posts, it wasn't exactly out-of-character....
Though, having seen some of his other posts, it wasn't exactly out-of-character....
I liked this sidestory, @Red_Galiray. Another reminder of the brutality and harshness of this war, and of the fact that evil men exist on both sides, no matter how much the Union has the moral high ground in the war as a whole. I wonder just how destructive this war has gotten by now, I imagine situations like these are getting commonplace.. also can't wait to see what ol' Breckinridge does next.
I wonder what the total death toll in the South will be by the end of the war.
I know it has been brought up before and I believe Red said it was indeed a bit bloodier than OTL but not excessively so…yet.
god this one of the funniest things I have ever seen on this website. I am glad you have the appropriate tools to handle every situation.
Mfw I go away five minutes and you guys go in a completely off-topic discussion that got one person kicked and another banned. Come on guys...
I hoped for more of a reaction to the side-story too. It has half of the usual amount of likes, which is somewhat disappointing to me. Perhaps it was too violent? Anyway, please share your opinions and like the update if you can. It means a lot.
(PS: I do hate that son of a bitch Wilson though).
I hoped for more of a reaction to the side-story too. It has half of the usual amount of likes, which is somewhat disappointing to me. Perhaps it was too violent? Anyway, please share your opinions and like the update if you can. It means a lot.
(PS: I do hate that son of a bitch Wilson though).
Definitely. The South will not know real peace for a long time.
Yeah, I was totally thinking of The Outlaw Jossey Wales when I wrote this.
The ex-guerrilla will probably be a stock character of westerns ITTL.
"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it."
I do think the worst Union guerrillas deserve the noose as well. There will certainly be some that refuse to lay down their arms and will have to be chased and put down by the Federals.
An entire generation will probably bear physical and psychological scars due to the war.
Thanks!
You said just what I wished to convey with the update! Many guerrillas don't fight for romantic motives of flag and country, but to vent violent urges and kill to their hearts' content, using the war as an excuse. So many guerrilla units combine genuine Unionists or Confederates with psychopathic killers.
Yeah, even if the Union cause itself is righteous some men have appropriated it for less than righteous motives. Ultimately, war is cruelty, even one that so closely approaches being a just war as the Civil War.
Depends if you count only soldiers or both soldiers and civilians, which can be tricky since you'd first have to determine whether they should be counted at all. In any case, OTL Civil War estimates are usually from 600k to 1 million dead soldiers. ITTL, they range from 1 million to 1.5 million soldiers. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. The greater death toll is due to the harsher war, but also to the deployment of hundreds of thousands more soldiers to fight guerrillas and protect the countryside. Though the guerrilla warfare does claim more victims, the great killer remains disease. As for civilians, here it would depend whether you count post-war violence and famine as part of the Civil War toll. I think that yes, they should be counted. Neither section is fighting a war of extermination that targets civilians, but with large land areas devastated by war, guerrillas swarming the countryside, and civilian populations fleeing the combat or even being expelled by the armies, the civilian death toll is much higher than OTL. I think it could range from 300k to 500k civilians, most killed by hunger, disease and privation. They are mostly Southern civilians, though people in the Border South have suffered a lot too. This means that once the wounded are counted a grand total of 10% of the US has lost life or limb to the Civil War - an extremely traumatic experience that doesn't even take into account psychological wounds.
It's also fairly ironic considering just WHO that Vietnamese man was.
He also changed several ambassador positions to countries in the Caribbean that had had Black ambassadors for nearly as long as the positions existed. Haiti being one of the examples I remember.
Blame Wilson for every bad thing that happened on the 20th century.
Even if it wasn't 100% his fault, he was a jerk so who cares? Lol.