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I am exhausted and I will reply to comment tomorrow. Eugenics sucks btw- did you know that Black and Hispanic women in America were still getting sterilized without their consent or even notification as late the War on Poverty?
 
Fucking thicc Drakan making infees toil not for their own benefit...

I wonder when those SSOB’s will do TTL’s version of Cleansing Month.

EDIT: How was California also divided, though?
 
1) Why exactly Russia is not effectively taking over Persia, even if as a de facto vassal? Those borders seem to just call for it, and I suppose the power differential allows that.
2) Although, to be honest, this Russia is fucking hugely huge anyway.
3) Dear God, Drakia is BIG.
 
I can see -some- native African 'princely states' adopting the eugenics craze for their own, particularly where there is a strong, distinct upper class. Some of the the 'martial races' also would take being called 'martial races' completely seriously, and buy in that way.

Ethnic identity is a hell of a drug.
 
I am exhausted and I will reply to comment tomorrow. Eugenics sucks btw- did you know that Black and Hispanic women in America were still getting sterilized without their consent or even notification as late the War on Poverty?

There is very real evidence that the discovery and understanding of evolution and the subsequent cultural response to it made people understand the world as a more cruel, capricious and uncaring than before. Which, of course, then made it so. In every sphere of existence.

Fuck Eugenics, Fuck Poverty, Fuck Racism, Fuck Aristocracy.

Those posters are horrifying.
 
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So with the trend towards physical fitness in the West do we see a decline in smoking and alcohol consumption? What about an improvement in public health systems? Could you tell us more about the Drakian Princely States? Are they like the Princely States in India?
 
There is very real evidence that the discovery and understanding of evolution and the subsequent cultural response to it made people understand the world as a more cruel, capricious and uncaring than before. Which, of course, then made it so. In every sphere of existence.

Fuck Eugenics, Fuck Poverty, Fuck Racism, Fuck Aristocracy.

Those posters are horrifying.
Are you saying the discovery of evolution is a bad thing?
 
How high is the US population? It should be a lot higher then OTL, thanks to more territory and being a lot more accepting of other races.
 
Am I correct in reading the map that other than German Syria and Spanish Morocco, no countries other than the UK and the USA have "overseas posessions"?
 
Am I correct in reading the map that other than German Syria and Spanish Morocco, no countries other than the UK and the USA have "overseas posessions"?

I think French and Portuguese should have something, if only tiny islands and enclaves.
 
Am I correct in reading the map that other than German Syria and Spanish Morocco, no countries other than the UK and the USA have "overseas posessions"?

I think French and Portuguese should have something, if only tiny islands and enclaves.

The French do have some islands in the Pacific, if you look at the map really closely.

But yeah, this world is going to be rather Anglophone.
 
In the 1860s a civil war in China saw the rise of a religious sect called the “Tiandao” or “Way of Heaven”, an offshoot of the Xiantindao religious movement that syncretized some elements of Christianity with its belief in a universal Dao that worshipped the unborn ancient mother goddess Wusheng Laomu. The Tiandao followers were ultimately victorious, overthrowing the Qing Dynasty in favor of a new “Tian” Dynasty whose rulers claimed merely to be the stewards of Wusheng Laomu, conveying her wishes via automatic writing. The new dynasty was unapologetically Han-supremacist, discriminating against other ethnic groups in China- in particular the Mongols and the Manchu. Manchus saw their land and wealth seized and were forced to denigrate themselves through public humiliations.
Ah Taiping Rebellion Expy gets to play Mao but with whacky religon instead of Communism earlier and with very little way to moderate (cults ussually cant this will not end well...

Russia- which had finished off the khanates of Central Asia- took advantage of the civil war to seize outlying parts of China, including Xinjiang, Mongolia, and Manchuria itself (the usual suspects) and install a puppet monarch in Korea.
Of course they did, what tl in the 19th Century these days does not have the Russians build a super state in these areas?

Germany ran Syria as a neo-crusader state- technically its own kingdom within the German Confederation it was ruled by a class of colonial nobility with a Christian-only military whose officers referred to themselves as knights.
This is not going to end well...


America never went isolationist ITTL after all, and New York’s influence started colliding with London’s in the Asia-Pacific region as early as the 1840s when the two powers clashed over Hawaii. A different American opened up Japan than Commodore Perry, and a different Shogun bowed to his demands, but otherwise the opening up of Japan ran similarly to OTL. Britain intervened in TTL’s version of the Boshin War in favor of the Shogunate, prompting American intervention in favor of the Imperial Restorationists, leading the conflict to take on characteristics of a proxy war. The victory of the Emperor (someone who knows how Japanese imperial names work can help me come up with a name for him) saw Japan continue to modernize with help from an America that considered a strong ally in Asia to be useful against Britain. (OTL there was a wave of Americophilia in Japan in the late 19th and early 20th centuries- ITTL it will be even stronger and more pronounced.) An American adventurer secured control over Sabah in Borneo, and the United States annexed Hawaii in the 1870s after a pro-British Hawaiian monarch tried to align his kingdom with the British Empire and an alliance of American planters overthrew him (for what it’s worth he’d aligned himself with Britain to prevent exactly such an American overthrow in the first place).

With Spain diplomatically isolated following its attempt to play both sides during the Last Crusade there was no one to protect it in 1884 when an incident on the Haiti-Santo Domingo border led to the Spanish-American War. Peace in 1886 saw Cuba and Santo Domingo added to the Union as states (Cuba woulda been IOTL if the South hadn’t nixed it for reasons of racism)- voluntarily on the part of Cuba, an insurgency would simmer in Santo Domingo for decades to come- the Philippines becoming an American Protectorate that ceded territory for American military bases, and Puerto Rico remaining Spanish. The Red government that had controlled Spain under different leaders since the Canadian was toppled, and an absolutist revolution ended with King Ferdinand IX realigning Spain with Britain (to the disapproval of the majority of Spaniards
The American Empire continues its expansion. Sad to screw the Hawaiians and Dominicans (and in deed the Spanish, who have to deal with absolutist idiocy and eventually face Radical Geoism), wonder if our expansion will continue in that direction... Alt Facism can only do so much,we can’t take in so many new people and expect their cultures to die out or for them to sit back and take it. if we conquer say Indonesia or Indo China from the Brits next time we go at em, we are going to saddle ourselves a nice big Bomb in our laps...


When the liberal Emperor Pedro II (genetically the half-brother of this guy) began passing democratic reforms and initiated the process to ban slavery in Brazil, rich landowners and elements within the Brazilian military came together in an attempt to overthrow the monarchy and replace it with a Republic. They successfully killed the emperor, but his son Pedro III vengefully crushed the revolt and followed it with a purge of suspected Republican sympathizers. This sparked an exodus of Brazilian aristocrats and conservatives (who ironically weren’t monarchists), about 25,000 of whom settled in Drakia, where they joined the pre-existing Lusophone community.
Okay that’s cool, have I just seen another member of the Earl Warren Bad ass club?

Colombia (it was never officially named Gran Colombia in either OTL or TTL) fought a civil war won by the Liberals, La Plata fought its own civil war won by the Federalists.
Interesting to see OTL failed nation’s stay together...

Peru (which includes OTL Bolivia ITTL) had an interesting time of it, including a revolution in the 1840s by Native Quecha who proclaimed a restored Incan Empire, followed by a period of military rule, followed by an attempt create a republic along utopian socialist lines. By the late 19th century however, the country had settled down under a fairly normal (by OTL standards) republican oligarchy.
Sad to see a nation get screwed although creatively (a Restored Inca Empire, want to know what type of Drugs this guy was on)



With an earlier, more extensive, and more intense industrial revolution the factors that drove the OTL rise of social reform and Socialism emerged in spades. The Red Movement split into a conservative wing affiliated with the Reds who had gained power back when the French Sister Republics were taken down, and a Christian Democratic wing called the Christian Populists.
Good to see this coming about,wish the Christian Populists the best of Luck in the future.
Radical forms of Socialism akin to OTL Communism emerged in the absence of substantive change
Okay, now wondering what’s its alt name?

it. That ideology was Geoism- .
Cool Ideology, but defnitley with the potential to radicalize...

In the United States Geoism took the form of the Nationalist Party, a rural party of French-style positivism and Geoist economics (Christian Populists would eventually join the Nationalist coalition, giving it an urban wing) that called for state ownership of railroads, free coinage of silver, a single tax on economic rent, and an end to the crop lien system. The National Party rapidly became the primary opposition to the Whigs and remained moderate as it proved able to achieve some of its goals through legislation.
Yeah an Ideology like Geoism would do really well in the 19th Century USA, I assume their getting the cooperation of the *facists in getting those legislative successes.

In other countries though- such as Russia and Spain- Geoism was suppressed by governments that regarded it as dangerous, driving it underground where it festered and radicalized.
This will not end well at all... I wonder if these states are allies of the Draka in the future, I mean they are going to be big on Christianity so they share that bit in common. However the Draka would not like Peasant Rebellion period, So probably not.
The Polish nationalists sought independence from Prussia and Russia, the Finns from Sweden.

Good luck guys your going to need it...
German pan-nationalists successfully brought Hannover into the German Confederation after a British-allowed plebiscite that firmly reoriented Germany from the Russian bloc into the British one, and unsuccessfully agitated for unity in Bavaria, Austria, and the French Rhineland.
Interesting, this got my wheels turning...due to the Hostilities of the last crusade I doubt pan nationalism will work with the Austrians and Bavarians, However fighting the Prussians could help bond them. Add in already similar cultural traditions and their Catholic religon and we may have the ingredients for a successful South German State.

Italian nationalists pulled off a coup in the Republic of Ragusa with the help of Italian-speaking elites
This has the Hall marks of a interesting story...

Zionism emerged as a Jewish response to racial nationalism that refused to admit that Jews could ever be loyal citizens of their different home countries, and a version of the Jewish Colonial Association settled Jewish agricultural colonies in parts of America, Argentina, and the Holy Land.
Cool to see those guys emerge... wonder how successful they’ll be ITTL. Guess it depends on how much the German British run monstrosity in the Holy land allows in. Mind you, they may regret moving when the Draka show up (see predictions below)



The Scandinavianists were far more successful than OTL, securing official support from the governments of Denmark and Sweden (each of which had ambitions to unify Scandinavia under itself). The Schleswig War of 1880, in which Denmark and Sweden fought together against the German Confederation and won, with Danish and Swedish airships dropping white phosphorus bombs on Berlin, brought the countries closer together and ultimately a dynastic marriage between the House of Glucksburg and the House of Bernadotte led to the United Kingdoms of Scandinavia in 1888.
Love how they essentially pull a Franco Prussian war on the Germans, all you would need for it to be complete would be to have them marry in Aachen Cathedral for the exact amount of Humiliation the Germans are just to got.



Someone is in for a rude awakening sooner or later.
Looking forward to see Air ships fall out of the air like rain as the awesome Drachen Flieger play the song of the valkryies on the job.

Anyway, back to ideologies. American Fascism influenced some schools of thought abroad, but America’s unique situation meant that most countries had little use for a multiracial, monocultural society, and those who could have (like Drakia or the other minority-white British dominions) were fundamentally hostile towards it. Fascism did influence France towards greater acceptance of its Afro-Caribbean and Polynesian citizens though, and it played a role in Scandinavia’s project to create a pan-Scandinavian culture (while suppressing the cultures of the Sami, Finns, and Inuit). The ideology had more success in Latin American countries like Brazil, where the government promoted it as an alternative to the old race-based colonial ethnic divisions. It was the Japanese however who embraced Fascism whole-heartedly, de-emphasizing the importance of the Yamato Race compared its national identity OTL, and incorporating the Ainu and the Ryukyuan peoples into Japanese society wholesale- provided they assimilated of course.
Cool to see *facism fixing up both Brazil and Japan. Hopefully they’ll be good American allies for the future.

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Before I get into the Depressing meat, can I say this card is cracking me up. I want to ask this doctor what exactly qualifies as Eugenic Love...



God, this is the most evil disgusting Ideology to infect our world, OTL and ITTL. I just want to take a shower after going through this, literally the only silver lining to me is the part about increased health awareness...

. The Firstborn Dominion glorified ancient Sparta, and of course the Spartans had performed a form of Eugenics themselves.
Glad to see I got another per diction correct..

Euthanasia .
Jesus, I really really don’t want to imagine how much horror this wreaked on the African population...thousands possibly millions dead just to keep fear...

The Dragon’s Nest Project
this is the most horrifying thing I have read in AH, and to know it was based on real programs just makes my skin crawl... Now more than ever I want to burn the Draka state down to the ground and let it keep burning forever and ever.


The mass forced sterilization was public from the start and strongly criticized even in Britain, where attitudes had been liberalizing steadily towards the mistreatment of colonial Natives- let alone Whites. But that was really just a more extreme version of what was happening already in many parts of Europe, and Drakia could get away with it. Not for much longer- not with criticism mounting of the Bonded labor system, Drakian Eugenics, and the Firstborn Dominion’s general cruelty towards the Native Africans. But it wasn’t until word broke of the Euthanasia program, until the testimony of Audrey Ratcliff before the British Parliament, until Black Lamb’s Blood entered publication in Scandinavia… but we’re getting ahead of ourselves.

Give it a few years.

And a world war.
What another one, how many had their been ITTl already Three maybe... Okay besides the Joking I wanna hope the Draka get a big bloody nose but sadly
Give it a few years.

And a world war
sadly this is Probably going to be another really depressing chapter...

Let’s see if I can keep going on my winning prediction streak:

Britian will eventually learn all the horrors of Draka and demand change, the Draka give them the middle finger and go for a war of Independence, taking all of Their Colonies in Africa and allowing their enemies to jump on them while their down (USA gets New Foundland and maybe territories in the Pacific, German Confederation has its ass handed to them again, this time by a South German State and Russia grabs their sphere of China). Also the Draka expand again, this time taking the Holy Land and Syria when their is a Rebellion (and knowing how messed up the German kingdom is it will happen), setting the ground work for the conquest of the Middle East
 
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