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On that note, here's Japan or The Nihonjin:

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It's a little generic but I think it gets the message across
 
The new challenge is ready in the challenge thread!
FLAG CHALLENGE #162: The Burgundian Roman Empire

In TTL the so-called Francian Empire has divided into 5 kingdoms: Aquitaine (inc. Spanish March), Austrasia, Burgundy, Italy, and Westrisia [the western lands from Neustria to Frisia].
By 1000CE King Lothere of Burgundy has acquired Aquitaine and conquered Italy, having himself crowned Roman Emperor by the Pope.

Your challenge is to create 2 flags that fit TTL c1500s (or equivalent level).
1 is for the BRE itself, 1 is for a significant territory within the BRE (and can be ruled by an external power).
AS the POD predates OTL heraldry any use of exact OTL local symbols is restricted, specifically the following are banned: Cross of Burgundy (saltires in general are allowed), Cross of Toulouse/Occitan (voided crosses are allowed), the Leopard of Aquitaine.

As this is a multiple flag challenge please limit entries to within 200x400px - you may include both flags on a single image file so long as the flags themselves fit into 200x400px.
Please see The Rules for details.

Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: 18th March 2017
Voting Period: 19th - 26th March 2017
 
well there it is, as always let me know your thoughts, the next three will be: Malaysia, Mauritius and Mexico. and as always, hope ya like!
some may remember this (its on page 219 if you need reference) and i want to bring it back, what do you think?
 
Flag of a communist Iran. The scimitar represents war while the hammer represents the working class. I got rid of the green in my second version of the flag because it's supposed to represent Islam. However, it's still possible that a communist regime could link their ideology to the tenets of Islam.
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Flag of a communist Iran. The scimitar represents war while the hammer represents the working class. I got rid of the green in my second version of the flag because it's supposed to represent Islam. However, it's still possible that a communist regime could link their ideology to the tenets of Islam. View attachment 311999 View attachment 312000
Ahem, *Shamshir :winkytongue:

Jokes aside this would be pretty awesome if the sword lined up more with actual Persian swords, like say, the ones in Pavali dynasty symbolism.
 
Cross-posting my WFC entry

After a few changes to the design (click for higher quality) so as to make it look better, I present....


The Banner of His Imperial Majesty Lothere, by the Grace of God, Emperor of the Romans, King of Burgundy, Aquitaine, and Westisia, Caesar of Italia, Sovereign of Austrasia, Defender of the Faith, Protector of the Holy See

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"Upon his final subjugation of the trade republics of the Italian peninsula, King Lothere of Burgundy had himself declared Emperor of the Romans, with a proper coronation in St. Peter's Basilica, being crowned by the Pope. The Empire restored, a practice taken from the Romans was put back into the forefront of military culture: the vexillum. Though no longer a vertically hung cloth for each legion, Lothere believed firmly in the use of symbols to show the strength of the Empire. As such, his personal war banner, a tricolor of blue, white, and green, was altered and used as the standard of the military, each blessed by priests and soaked in holy water, every soldier told that to lose the banner was to lose a blessed piece of the Empire's soul. In doing so, this banner became the standard of the Empire itself."

- Empire Reborn, 2012 Documentary

"...The reason for the existence of his war flag was his personal dislike of his father, and so Lothere preferred not to use a banner of his family arms when leading his own armies into battle during his time as Prince. The origin of the colors blue, white, and green, is not entirely clear to modern scholars. There is, in fact, a great amount of debate over them. Some believe they come from the idea of ground, air, and sky, and that Lothere, being known for his art and poetry, took to using these colors as a symbol of his dominion of all that he surveyed. Others call this completely ridiculous, and instead contend that it first comes from the blue-white banner used by member of the Order of the Shield of Charlemagne, a chivalrous order of knights to which Lothere belonged as Prince of Burgundy. This then, leaves the question of why green was added. Some of the aforementioned scholars that subscribe to the "Order Theory", as opposed to the "Symbol Theory", will either reply "I don't know," or propose that perhaps it was simply added for individuality, being that as a King and later Emperor, using the war flag of a holy order as ones own would not be entirely proper. A third group of theorists also exists, and while readers may wonder why there is such debate over something as simple as a flag, it should be remembered that the topic of the Restorer of Rome is one of the most popular for all historians, and nearly every historian that studies the matter carries his own opinion. Now, the third group are subscribers to the "Eye Theory", which holds that, given the famous legend of the Emperor's heterochromia, perhaps that is the source for his banner. Due several surviving paintings and reconstructed paints for a bust, we do know that, at times, Lothere was painted with possessing one eye that was blue, and one eye that was either brown or green; many believe it may have been hazel, and thus possessing flecks of green and brown. Assuming the Emperor was either green-blue or hazel-blue heterochromatic, it is believed by these theorists that he used this striking feature as inspiration for his personal flag of war, with a white stripe being used as a contrast between the two colors...

..There is also debate over the tail of the flag. Some hold that it was a short spike of only a few inches, while others report stories of it being up to three feet in length. The shape was a common design of the era for war banners, and it is possible (and likely) that different makers of the flags had a variety of lengths in use, based on how much fabric they had left to use. After all, it was unlikely that the Emperor was going to go around inspecting each armies' banner, and in effect it was the banner in itself that served as a symbol, not its proportions."
- Examining Men and Women of History, AP European History textbook, published 2005

"The arms of the House of Juvaire is simple, but displays the familial history well. Four Francian Crosses are used to show the family's ancient roots as lords under King Charlemagne, and the red saltire represents the family's Catholic roots, and specifically its veneration of St. Andrew..."

- Basics of Heraldry, published 1967

The Banner of His Royal Majesty Gaspard, Prince of the Romans, Dictator of Latium

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"...this title was created by Lothere purely because of the nagging of his heir, Gaspard. Being the Crown Prince of of the Romans, Burgundy, Aquitaine, Westisia, Italia, and Austrasia was not enough for the boy, and he wanted to show his ability to rule and create a powerbase of his own. Believing it could work to make his disliked son more popular amongst the people, and to create greater ties between the Italians and their Frankish conquerors, Emperor Lothere agreed to his request and, taking from both the merchant republic tradition of the peninsula and that of the Roman Republic, he named Gaspard Dictator of Latium, thus making his son the direct ruler of half of the Italian peninsula. Ever since, the heir apparent of the Second Roman Empire was been named Dictator of Latium. In truth, Latium as the territory rule by the Dictator, is in fact comprised of the First Roman regions of Latium, Etruria, Samnium, Picenum, Emilia, Liguria, and Umbria..."

- When in Rome: the Rise and Fall of the Second Roman Empire, 2016 documentary

"Prince Gaspard is said to have designed the banner himself, echoing his father's famed artistic manner, although this may very well have just been told as a story to improve his image. However, as the Banner of the Dictator of Latium, it became a symbol of the region, and even the republican movement that controlled the area centuries later looked to this flag for inspiration. The red and tyrian were used to represent the area's history as the heart of both the Roman Republic and the First Roman Empire, the famed "S.P.Q.R." taking a central place as well. The crest of the House of Juvaire is set centrally, showing their control of the land. Some believe the flag ended in a point, while others contend it was cut to be trapezoidal."

- Flags of Antiquity, published 1991
 
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