List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Yes, yes, yes, implausible, but it's fun, okay?
2010-2015: David Cameron (Conservative)
def. 2010 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015-2016: Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats) [1]
def. 2015: Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), David Cameron (Conservative), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru), Nigel Farage (UKIP), Natalie Bennet (Green)
2016-now: Tim Farron (Liberal Democrats) [2]
1- No one really knows what happened on election night, 2015. Polling day was strange, filled with a number of oddities and several bursts of bright light across the sky (seemingly coming from around Whitehall Court), and when Britain woke up the next day, a stranger thing had happened- Nick Clegg was Prime Minister. Five years ago, whilst this would have been unexpected, it wouldn't have been so strange to so many. But in 2015, with the Liberal Democrats widely unpopular and having trailed in the opinion polls for years, it was positively astounding. Clegg himself was perhaps the most taken back, having become a figure to be pitied and hated among the countries diverse quarters. Was there a mistake? Following a mass recount in over 400 seats, this was obviosuly not the case. Clegg found himself kissing hands with the Queen and stepping though the doors of Downing Street- alone. The Tories had been nearly wiped out. UKIP and the Green Party lost all representation. The SNP had surged, and Labour, whilst taking a beating, was limping on. A strange new world had dawned, and with a majority larger than that of Margret Thatcher's in 1979, the Prime Minister (something that Clegg would find himself unable to be comfortable being called) would go forward into the dawn.
As soon as the final recounts had been completed, Clegg called Cabinet. It was largely as Clegg had planned his Cabinet before the election, with the notable exception of Danny Alexander, who was replaced with Vince Cable as he had lost his seat. The first meeting was somewhat awkward; after an initial few moments of back patting and self congratulations (and more than enough gloating), an uncomfortable question was raised by Michael Moore- now what? Obviosuly run a Government and implement the manifesto, but it was a deeper question that drove the Cabinet that day. No one expected the party to win, many around the table had expected to loose their seats. There was little preparation, no idea of what to do with their new found power. Fulfills their manifesto promises, obviously, but did people really find it so inspiring they voted Liberal? An idea that was floated around and quickly died was to invite the annihilated Conservatives to join them- there were only 3 MPs, and Theresa May had been Home Secretary for some five years, but she had no intention of jumping aboard.
As it was, the first Liberal Government since Lloyd George government functioned, though at times was a stop-and-go affair. Personal allowance was raised, Universal Credit was implemented further, the NHS saw a budget increase, and there were efforts to retread old ground on Tuition Fees and heal the wounds. Ground was broken on the first of nearly a dozen Garden Cities, Britain moved closer to Europe, and there were reforms in the Policing service and taxation. There were hiccups; the Governments Foreign Policy of 'Liberal interventionism' was controversial and highly criticised, and their approach to Northern Ireland receiving an angry and violent backlash from Unionists in the Province. But White Papers stacked like bricks, and the Government of 'nice things' progressed with ease through its first year.
Clegg would step down in May, 2016. His tenability as Prime Minister was always a private question, as he had offered to step down in 2014 during a crisis of confidence. Quickly following his surprise victory, Clegg found himself pressured both by elements in his Party, who wanted him to step aside for someone more willing for the job, and himself, struggling under the stress of job and what effect it was having on his health and his marriage. After the 2016 Local Elections, which saw a sharp drop in Liberal Council Seats, he saw an opening. Meeting with the Queen, the surprise Prime Minister resigned, and left Downing Street to depart into the history books.
2- The ascension of Foreign Secretary Tim Farron was not entirely unexpected. Since the revelation of Clegg's crisis of faith, the Party turned its eyes on a number of potential candidates to succeed the soon-to-be departing Prime Minister. The strongest candidates were in the Great Offices of State, Chancellor Vince Cable, Home Secretary Lynne Featherstone, and Farron; Cable declined, citing that he has no interest in the Leadership at present, whilst Featherstone would be dogged by a number of gaffes and the ongoing violence in Northern Ireland. Farron could have walked it, but instead faced strong resistance from lower ministerial ranks, particularly with the Health Secretary Norman Lamb. Positioning himself on the Left, Farron had support in the grassroots and was able to use the moral outrage against the Islamic State and the support for intervention in Syria to his advantage, aggravating Lamb's more dovish instincts in an effort to make seem unsuitable for the Premiership in the ongoing international crisis. Farron would come under sharp criticism for his tightlipped views on homosexuality and abortion, notably telling an interviewer that "my record speaks for itself" when asked of his views, which backfired when the interviewer bought up his mixed history on LGBT rights. Still, he would subsequently win a narrow victory over Lamb, who was himself caught in a gaffe surrounding immigration control (which led to a particularly cutting rendition of 'Golden Brown').
Upon entering office, the former Lecturer made his position clear; he would continue his predecessors programs, but also to go further beyond. Laying out a broad program of education and health care reforms, a coherent environmental policy, a strong British presence overseas in both a combat and humanitarian capacity, and further devolution to Provincial levels, Farron is set to be productive. However, he has a perhaps larger goal in mind, one pertaining to constitution reform. It is expected that, at the Queens Speech, the Government will introduce a two prong plan to radically transform Britain; an elected Lords, and a rerun of Electoral Reform, but this time on the grounds of either STV or MMP.
Only time will tell if he can succeed.
Yes, yes, yes, implausible, but it's fun, okay?
2010-2015: David Cameron (Conservative)
def. 2010 (Liberal Democrats Coalition): Gordon Brown (Labour), Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats)
2015-2016: Nick Clegg (Liberal Democrats) [1]
def. 2015: Ed Miliband (Labour), Nicola Sturgeon (SNP), David Cameron (Conservative), Leanne Wood (Plaid Cymru), Nigel Farage (UKIP), Natalie Bennet (Green)
2016-now: Tim Farron (Liberal Democrats) [2]
1- No one really knows what happened on election night, 2015. Polling day was strange, filled with a number of oddities and several bursts of bright light across the sky (seemingly coming from around Whitehall Court), and when Britain woke up the next day, a stranger thing had happened- Nick Clegg was Prime Minister. Five years ago, whilst this would have been unexpected, it wouldn't have been so strange to so many. But in 2015, with the Liberal Democrats widely unpopular and having trailed in the opinion polls for years, it was positively astounding. Clegg himself was perhaps the most taken back, having become a figure to be pitied and hated among the countries diverse quarters. Was there a mistake? Following a mass recount in over 400 seats, this was obviosuly not the case. Clegg found himself kissing hands with the Queen and stepping though the doors of Downing Street- alone. The Tories had been nearly wiped out. UKIP and the Green Party lost all representation. The SNP had surged, and Labour, whilst taking a beating, was limping on. A strange new world had dawned, and with a majority larger than that of Margret Thatcher's in 1979, the Prime Minister (something that Clegg would find himself unable to be comfortable being called) would go forward into the dawn.
As soon as the final recounts had been completed, Clegg called Cabinet. It was largely as Clegg had planned his Cabinet before the election, with the notable exception of Danny Alexander, who was replaced with Vince Cable as he had lost his seat. The first meeting was somewhat awkward; after an initial few moments of back patting and self congratulations (and more than enough gloating), an uncomfortable question was raised by Michael Moore- now what? Obviosuly run a Government and implement the manifesto, but it was a deeper question that drove the Cabinet that day. No one expected the party to win, many around the table had expected to loose their seats. There was little preparation, no idea of what to do with their new found power. Fulfills their manifesto promises, obviously, but did people really find it so inspiring they voted Liberal? An idea that was floated around and quickly died was to invite the annihilated Conservatives to join them- there were only 3 MPs, and Theresa May had been Home Secretary for some five years, but she had no intention of jumping aboard.
As it was, the first Liberal Government since Lloyd George government functioned, though at times was a stop-and-go affair. Personal allowance was raised, Universal Credit was implemented further, the NHS saw a budget increase, and there were efforts to retread old ground on Tuition Fees and heal the wounds. Ground was broken on the first of nearly a dozen Garden Cities, Britain moved closer to Europe, and there were reforms in the Policing service and taxation. There were hiccups; the Governments Foreign Policy of 'Liberal interventionism' was controversial and highly criticised, and their approach to Northern Ireland receiving an angry and violent backlash from Unionists in the Province. But White Papers stacked like bricks, and the Government of 'nice things' progressed with ease through its first year.
Clegg would step down in May, 2016. His tenability as Prime Minister was always a private question, as he had offered to step down in 2014 during a crisis of confidence. Quickly following his surprise victory, Clegg found himself pressured both by elements in his Party, who wanted him to step aside for someone more willing for the job, and himself, struggling under the stress of job and what effect it was having on his health and his marriage. After the 2016 Local Elections, which saw a sharp drop in Liberal Council Seats, he saw an opening. Meeting with the Queen, the surprise Prime Minister resigned, and left Downing Street to depart into the history books.
2- The ascension of Foreign Secretary Tim Farron was not entirely unexpected. Since the revelation of Clegg's crisis of faith, the Party turned its eyes on a number of potential candidates to succeed the soon-to-be departing Prime Minister. The strongest candidates were in the Great Offices of State, Chancellor Vince Cable, Home Secretary Lynne Featherstone, and Farron; Cable declined, citing that he has no interest in the Leadership at present, whilst Featherstone would be dogged by a number of gaffes and the ongoing violence in Northern Ireland. Farron could have walked it, but instead faced strong resistance from lower ministerial ranks, particularly with the Health Secretary Norman Lamb. Positioning himself on the Left, Farron had support in the grassroots and was able to use the moral outrage against the Islamic State and the support for intervention in Syria to his advantage, aggravating Lamb's more dovish instincts in an effort to make seem unsuitable for the Premiership in the ongoing international crisis. Farron would come under sharp criticism for his tightlipped views on homosexuality and abortion, notably telling an interviewer that "my record speaks for itself" when asked of his views, which backfired when the interviewer bought up his mixed history on LGBT rights. Still, he would subsequently win a narrow victory over Lamb, who was himself caught in a gaffe surrounding immigration control (which led to a particularly cutting rendition of 'Golden Brown').
Upon entering office, the former Lecturer made his position clear; he would continue his predecessors programs, but also to go further beyond. Laying out a broad program of education and health care reforms, a coherent environmental policy, a strong British presence overseas in both a combat and humanitarian capacity, and further devolution to Provincial levels, Farron is set to be productive. However, he has a perhaps larger goal in mind, one pertaining to constitution reform. It is expected that, at the Queens Speech, the Government will introduce a two prong plan to radically transform Britain; an elected Lords, and a rerun of Electoral Reform, but this time on the grounds of either STV or MMP.
Only time will tell if he can succeed.
365 {↑308}- 40.8% {↑17.8%}- Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrats
210 {↓046}- 30.1% {↑01.1%}- Ed Miliband, Labour
050 {↑044}- 04.9% {↑03.2%}- Nicola Sturgeon, SNP
003 {↓300}- 18.0% {↓18.1%}- David Cameron, Conservative
003 {-000}- 00.6% {-00.0%}- Leanne Wood, Plaid Cymru
000 {↓002}- 03.8% {↑00.2%}- Nigel Farage (UKIP)
000 {↓001}- 01.1% {↑00.2%}- Natalie Bennet (Green)
001 {other}- Speaker John Bercow
018 {Northern Irish}
(Conservatives still in the House: Theresa May (Maidenhead), Greg Hands (Chelsea and Fulham), Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire))
210 {↓046}- 30.1% {↑01.1%}- Ed Miliband, Labour
050 {↑044}- 04.9% {↑03.2%}- Nicola Sturgeon, SNP
003 {↓300}- 18.0% {↓18.1%}- David Cameron, Conservative
003 {-000}- 00.6% {-00.0%}- Leanne Wood, Plaid Cymru
000 {↓002}- 03.8% {↑00.2%}- Nigel Farage (UKIP)
000 {↓001}- 01.1% {↑00.2%}- Natalie Bennet (Green)
001 {other}- Speaker John Bercow
018 {Northern Irish}
(Conservatives still in the House: Theresa May (Maidenhead), Greg Hands (Chelsea and Fulham), Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire))
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rpryor03 - A Different Moral Majority
A Different Moral Majority
1981: Howard H. Baker Jr./Phillip M. "Phil" Crane [1]
def. 1980 James E. "Jimmy" Carter/Walter F. "Fritz" Mondale
1981: Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/vacant [2]
1981-1985: Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/George H. W. Bush [3]
1985-1989: Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings/Gary W. Hart [4]
def. 1984 Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/George H. W. Bush
1989-1997: John C. Danforth/Nancy L. Kassebaum [5]
def. 1988 Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings/Gary W. Hart
def. 1992 William J. "Bill" Clinton/Thomas R. "Tom" Harkin, Henry R. "H. Ross" Perot/James B. "Jim" Stockdale
1997-2001: Nancy L. Kassebaum/Carroll A. Campbell Jr. [6]
def. 1996 Albert A. "Al" Gore/William. W. "Bill" Bradley, Henry R. "H. Ross" Perot/Pat Choate
2001-2007: Johnny R. "John" Edwards/Patricia L. "Patty" Murray [7]
def. 2000 Carroll A. Campbell Jr./Michael O. "Mike" Leavitt
def. 2004 John E. "Jeb!" Bush/Elizabeth "Betsy" DeVos
2007: Patricia L. "Patty" Murray/vacant [8]
2007-2009: Patricia L. "Patty" Murray/Thomas J. "Tom" Vilsack [9]
2009-2013: John S. McCain/Joseph I. "Joe" Lieberman [10]
def. 2008 John F. Kerry/Barbara A. Mikulski
2013-0000: Willard M. "W. Mitt" Romney/Marco A. Rubio [11]
def. 2012 Brian D. Schweitzer/Barack H. Obama Jr.
def. 2016 Hillary D. R. Clinton/Timothy M. "Tim" Kaine
1. As Ronald Reagan geared his campaign up for 1980, Jerry Falwell, the leader of the burgeoning Christian Right/Moral Majority, looked for a candidate that was a committed family man to represent them and chose to support Howard Baker, the Senator from Tennessee and noted deal breaker. After a brutal nomination fight that saw George Bush, the third place finisher, earn the position of Chief of Staff in a Baker administration and Reagan get a voice in the naming of the VP nominee, they chose Phil Crane, a representative from Illinois, to join Baker. Falwell, gaining in popularity, capitalized on President Carter's Playboy interview, sinking Carter's campaign.
2. John Hinckley Jr., looking to impress Jodie Foster, assassinated President Baker in March of 1981.
3. Crane chose an in-house candidate to get the promotion, Chief of Staff George H.W. Bush.
4. An unpopular economic plan labeled as "voodoo economics" and a shoddily run campaign saw Crane and Bush lose to Fritz Hollings, a former Governor and current Senator for South Carolina.
5. As the 1988 campaign geared up, Falwell decided to endorse John Danforth, an Episcopal priest, saying that "no one loves God and America more than John Danforth." With Falwell's help, Danforth, alongside Nancy Kassebaum, are able to defeat Hollings over an unstable economy that he wasn't able to fix.
1981: Howard H. Baker Jr./Phillip M. "Phil" Crane [1]
def. 1980 James E. "Jimmy" Carter/Walter F. "Fritz" Mondale
1981: Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/vacant [2]
1981-1985: Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/George H. W. Bush [3]
1985-1989: Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings/Gary W. Hart [4]
def. 1984 Phillip M. "Phil" Crane/George H. W. Bush
1989-1997: John C. Danforth/Nancy L. Kassebaum [5]
def. 1988 Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings/Gary W. Hart
def. 1992 William J. "Bill" Clinton/Thomas R. "Tom" Harkin, Henry R. "H. Ross" Perot/James B. "Jim" Stockdale
1997-2001: Nancy L. Kassebaum/Carroll A. Campbell Jr. [6]
def. 1996 Albert A. "Al" Gore/William. W. "Bill" Bradley, Henry R. "H. Ross" Perot/Pat Choate
2001-2007: Johnny R. "John" Edwards/Patricia L. "Patty" Murray [7]
def. 2000 Carroll A. Campbell Jr./Michael O. "Mike" Leavitt
def. 2004 John E. "Jeb!" Bush/Elizabeth "Betsy" DeVos
2007: Patricia L. "Patty" Murray/vacant [8]
2007-2009: Patricia L. "Patty" Murray/Thomas J. "Tom" Vilsack [9]
2009-2013: John S. McCain/Joseph I. "Joe" Lieberman [10]
def. 2008 John F. Kerry/Barbara A. Mikulski
2013-0000: Willard M. "W. Mitt" Romney/Marco A. Rubio [11]
def. 2012 Brian D. Schweitzer/Barack H. Obama Jr.
def. 2016 Hillary D. R. Clinton/Timothy M. "Tim" Kaine
1. As Ronald Reagan geared his campaign up for 1980, Jerry Falwell, the leader of the burgeoning Christian Right/Moral Majority, looked for a candidate that was a committed family man to represent them and chose to support Howard Baker, the Senator from Tennessee and noted deal breaker. After a brutal nomination fight that saw George Bush, the third place finisher, earn the position of Chief of Staff in a Baker administration and Reagan get a voice in the naming of the VP nominee, they chose Phil Crane, a representative from Illinois, to join Baker. Falwell, gaining in popularity, capitalized on President Carter's Playboy interview, sinking Carter's campaign.
2. John Hinckley Jr., looking to impress Jodie Foster, assassinated President Baker in March of 1981.
3. Crane chose an in-house candidate to get the promotion, Chief of Staff George H.W. Bush.
4. An unpopular economic plan labeled as "voodoo economics" and a shoddily run campaign saw Crane and Bush lose to Fritz Hollings, a former Governor and current Senator for South Carolina.
5. As the 1988 campaign geared up, Falwell decided to endorse John Danforth, an Episcopal priest, saying that "no one loves God and America more than John Danforth." With Falwell's help, Danforth, alongside Nancy Kassebaum, are able to defeat Hollings over an unstable economy that he wasn't able to fix.
AidanM - Gerald Ford 2: Electric Boogaloo
Gerald Ford 2: Electric Boogaloo
1974-1977: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller
1977-1981: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
def. 1976: Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller
1981-1985: Gerald Ford/Bob Dole*
def. 1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale
1985-1989: Bob Dole/Phil Crane
def. 1984: Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro
1989-1997: Mario Cuomo/Joe Biden
def. 1988: Bob Dole/Phil Crane
def. 1992: Alexander Haig/Donald Rumsfeld
1997-2001: Joe Biden/Bill Clinton
def. 1996: Phil Crane/Lamar Alexander
2001-2007: John McCain/Elizabeth Dole
def. 2000: Joe Biden/Bill Clinton
def. 2004: Bill Clinton/Howard Dean
2007: Elizabeth Dole/Vacant**
2007-2013: Elizabeth Dole/George W. Bush
def. 2008: John Edwards/Dennis Kuckinich
2013-2021: Russ Feingold/Barack Obama
def. 2012: Elizabeth Dole/George W. Bush
def. 2016: Chris Christie/Bobby Jindal
* In 1980, Former President Gerald Ford announced he would run for the Republican nomination for President. He had previously lost to Jimmy Carter in 1976, but went on to defeat him for re-election in a tight race. He became the second President to serve two non-consecutive terms, unseating Grover Cleveland as the sole holder of that distinction.
** On August 12, 2007, 17 terrorists from Al-Qaeda hijacked three planes and flew them into: the Twin Towers in New York City (2) and the White House (1). President John McCain was killed in the attack, and Vice President Elizabeth Dole, who was at Capitol Hill breaking a tie on a bill, ascended to the Presidency. She nominated Former Texas Governor George W. Bush to serve as her Vice President. She went on to win a term of her own in 2008.
AidanM - Et Tu, Bannon?
Et Tu, Bannon?
January 20, 2017-May 18, 2018: Donald J. Trump/Mike PenceOn May 16, 2018, an anonymous source leaked footage of Mike Pence having an extramarital affair. He resigns in disgrace, apologizing to the nation for his "abhorrent, devilish" behavior.
May 18, 2018-June 18, 2018: Donald J. Trump/Vacant
There is wide media speculation regarding who Trump will nominate as Pence's successor. Major outlets have speculated Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson as likely nominees. On May 20, Trump announces that he "has something big planned".
On May 23, Donald Trump, after inviting both Chris Christie and Tom Cotton to Washington, D.C., announces on live television that he will nominate Steve Bannon to replace Mike Pence.
The House and Senate Democrats express extreme outrage over the nomination, and within two days every single Democratic member of Congress (including Independent Senators Bernie Sanders and Angus King) announce that they will vote against Bannon.
On June 4, Senator Ted Cruz calls upon his colleagues to "put aside partisanship, and understand that the country is in need of a second-in-command. Donald Trump believes that Mr. Bannon is well-suited for the role, and I am inclined to agree with him".
By June 5, 200 House Republicans have confirmed that they will vote for YES for Steve Bannon. By June 15, 16 more Republicans in the House have declared their support for Bannon. With two votes short of a majority, both parties scramble.
On June 9, Steve Bannon had received 218 votes from the House of Representatives, after 23 Republicans strongly refused to support Bannon. These 23 are praised by the House Democrats as "heroes who put country over party".
On June 18, every single Democrat, both Independents, and Republican Susan Collins voted against Bannon. By 5:45 PM, 99 Senators had voted for Bannon, 49 against and 50 for, with Senator Marco Rubio serving as the swing vote. He had criticized Bannon in the past, but as of late had expressed his support of Donald Trump, especially after he had sent federal funds to Florida following Hurricane Jonathan. In the end, Senator Rubio had voted in favor of Steven Bannon, allowing him to secure the 51 necessary votes to become the next Vice President of the United States.
June 18, 2018-January 23, 2019: Donald J. Trump/Steve Bannon
Over the next six months, Steve Bannon is called upon to break numerous ties in the Senate, following Lindsey Graham and Susan Collins leaving the Republican Party, and caucusing with the Democrats on several occasions.
News media outlets had a field day come December 15, 2018.
Footage had been leaked by an anonymous source of Donald Trump taking a briefcase of money from Putin. ("I really appreciate you helping me with this election, Vlad, I really do. We're going to do great things for each other, great things for this country. Oh, and those sanctions? Gone. They're gone. Done. The sanctions have been a disaster, can you believe it? Thank you again.")
All but sixteen members of the House voted to impeach Donald Trump. And on January 3, after the new Congress has started, the House votes to impeach him 420-15. The Senate removes him from office 94-6 on January 23, 2019.
Immediately, Trump was forcibly removed from the White House after refusing to leave. Steve Bannon was inaugurated as the 46th President of the United States seconds later.
January 23, 2019-January 25, 2019: Steven Bannon/Vacant
President Bannon immediately announced that David Koch would serve as his Vice President. He is confirmed by the House and the Senate 300-245 and 51-49.
January 25, 2019-present: Steve Bannon/David Koch
Turquoise Blue - "After Chamberlain comes... Anthony Eden?"
Alright, decided to finish off the "After Chamberlain comes... Anthony Eden?" list. Warning, it probably makes no sense, given I just typed it all out with cursory references to Wikipedia to get names. Feel free to roast me for this doubtlessly-terrible list.
"After Chamberlain comes... Anthony Eden?"
Neville Chamberlain (Conservative, then Conservative-War-Labour-Liberal-Social Democratic-National Liberal-National Labour coalition) 1937-1939
Anthony Eden (War-Conservative-Labour-Liberal-Social Democratic-National Liberal-National Labour coalition, then Unionist transitional government) 1939-1945
Harold Macmillan (Social Democratic-Liberal coalition) 1945-1955
1945: def. Anthony Eden (Unionist), Clement Attlee (Labour), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1950: def. Malcolm MacDonald (Unionist), Aneurin Bevan (Labour), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist majority) 1955-1963
1955: def. Harold Macmillan/Archibald Sinclair (SDP-Liberal Alliance), Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1959: def. Harold Macmillan/Archibald Sinclair (SDP-Liberal Alliance), Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
Megan Lloyd George (Democratic majority) 1963-1966*
1963: def. Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist), Michael Foot (Labour), Emlyn Hooson ("Continuity" Liberal)
Roy Jenkins (Democratic majority) 1966-1971
1967: def. Peter Thorneycroft (Unionist), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Michael Foot (Labour), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist)
Anthony Barber (Unionist-Liberal coalition) 1971-1973
1971: def. Roy Jenkins (Democratic), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist), Tony Benn (Labour)
Roy Jenkins (Democratic minority, then majority) 1973-1978
1973: def. Anthony Barber (Unionist), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Tony Benn (Labour), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist)
William Whitelaw (Unionist majority) 1978-1989
1978: def. Roy Jenkins (Democratic), Alasdair Mackenzie (Liberal), Tony Benn (Labour)
1983: def. Shirley Williams (Democratic), Alasdair Mackenzie (Liberal), Tony Banks (Labour), Tony Whittaker (Ecology)
1987: def. Shirley Williams (Democratic), Francis Pym/Alasdair Mackenzie (League of Christian Democrats and Liberals), Tony Banks (Labour), Tony Whittaker (Ecology)
Michael Heseltine (Unionist majority) 1989-1992
David Owen (Democratic majority, then minority) 1992-1999
1992: def. Michael Heseltine (Unionist), Francis Pym/Alasdair Mackenzie (League of Christian Democrats and Liberals), Tony Whittaker (Ecology), Ken Livingstone (Labour)
1995: def. Peter Lilley (Unionist), Chris Brocklebank-Fowler (Christian Democratic and Liberal), Tony Blair (NEW), Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Teddy Goldsmith (It's OUR Country)
John Cable (Democratic minority) 1999-2000
Michael Howard (Unionist-Christian Democratic and Liberal coalition, then Unionist minority) 2000-2004
2000: def. John Cable (Democratic), Chris Brocklebank-Fowler (Christian Democratic and Liberal), Tony Blair/Jeremy Corbyn (NEW-Labour), committee (It's OUR Country)
Charles Kennedy (Democratic majority) 2004-2011
2004: def. Michael Howard (Unionist), Tony Blair/Jeremy Corbyn (NEW-Labour), Chris Huhne (It's OUR Country), Tim Farron (Christian Democratic and Liberal)
2009: def. Nicholas Clegg (Unionist), Caroline Lucas/John McDonnell (NEW-Labour), Chris Huhne (It's OUR Country), Tim Farron (Christian Democratic and Liberal)
Jeremy Ashdown (Democratic majority) 2011-2012
Theresa May (Christian Democratic and Liberal-Unionist coalition, then Christian Democratic and Liberal majority) 2012-present
2012: def. Jeremy Ashdown (Democratic), Patrick Harvie (GreenLeft), David Cameron (It's OUR Country), Nicholas Clegg (Unionist)
2016: def. Norman Lamb (Democratic), Patrick Harvie (GreenLeft), Jill Evans (Plaid Cymru), Zac Goldsmith (It's OUR Country), Peter Hitchens (Unionist)
"After Chamberlain comes... Anthony Eden?"
Neville Chamberlain (Conservative, then Conservative-War-Labour-Liberal-Social Democratic-National Liberal-National Labour coalition) 1937-1939
Anthony Eden (War-Conservative-Labour-Liberal-Social Democratic-National Liberal-National Labour coalition, then Unionist transitional government) 1939-1945
Harold Macmillan (Social Democratic-Liberal coalition) 1945-1955
1945: def. Anthony Eden (Unionist), Clement Attlee (Labour), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
1950: def. Malcolm MacDonald (Unionist), Aneurin Bevan (Labour), Archibald Sinclair (Liberal)
Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist majority) 1955-1963
1955: def. Harold Macmillan/Archibald Sinclair (SDP-Liberal Alliance), Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
1959: def. Harold Macmillan/Archibald Sinclair (SDP-Liberal Alliance), Aneurin Bevan (Labour)
Megan Lloyd George (Democratic majority) 1963-1966*
1963: def. Alec Douglas-Home (Unionist), Michael Foot (Labour), Emlyn Hooson ("Continuity" Liberal)
Roy Jenkins (Democratic majority) 1966-1971
1967: def. Peter Thorneycroft (Unionist), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Michael Foot (Labour), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist)
Anthony Barber (Unionist-Liberal coalition) 1971-1973
1971: def. Roy Jenkins (Democratic), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist), Tony Benn (Labour)
Roy Jenkins (Democratic minority, then majority) 1973-1978
1973: def. Anthony Barber (Unionist), Emlyn Hooson (Liberal), Tony Benn (Labour), Bob Mellish (Patriotic Socialist)
William Whitelaw (Unionist majority) 1978-1989
1978: def. Roy Jenkins (Democratic), Alasdair Mackenzie (Liberal), Tony Benn (Labour)
1983: def. Shirley Williams (Democratic), Alasdair Mackenzie (Liberal), Tony Banks (Labour), Tony Whittaker (Ecology)
1987: def. Shirley Williams (Democratic), Francis Pym/Alasdair Mackenzie (League of Christian Democrats and Liberals), Tony Banks (Labour), Tony Whittaker (Ecology)
Michael Heseltine (Unionist majority) 1989-1992
David Owen (Democratic majority, then minority) 1992-1999
1992: def. Michael Heseltine (Unionist), Francis Pym/Alasdair Mackenzie (League of Christian Democrats and Liberals), Tony Whittaker (Ecology), Ken Livingstone (Labour)
1995: def. Peter Lilley (Unionist), Chris Brocklebank-Fowler (Christian Democratic and Liberal), Tony Blair (NEW), Jeremy Corbyn (Labour), Teddy Goldsmith (It's OUR Country)
John Cable (Democratic minority) 1999-2000
Michael Howard (Unionist-Christian Democratic and Liberal coalition, then Unionist minority) 2000-2004
2000: def. John Cable (Democratic), Chris Brocklebank-Fowler (Christian Democratic and Liberal), Tony Blair/Jeremy Corbyn (NEW-Labour), committee (It's OUR Country)
Charles Kennedy (Democratic majority) 2004-2011
2004: def. Michael Howard (Unionist), Tony Blair/Jeremy Corbyn (NEW-Labour), Chris Huhne (It's OUR Country), Tim Farron (Christian Democratic and Liberal)
2009: def. Nicholas Clegg (Unionist), Caroline Lucas/John McDonnell (NEW-Labour), Chris Huhne (It's OUR Country), Tim Farron (Christian Democratic and Liberal)
Jeremy Ashdown (Democratic majority) 2011-2012
Theresa May (Christian Democratic and Liberal-Unionist coalition, then Christian Democratic and Liberal majority) 2012-present
2012: def. Jeremy Ashdown (Democratic), Patrick Harvie (GreenLeft), David Cameron (It's OUR Country), Nicholas Clegg (Unionist)
2016: def. Norman Lamb (Democratic), Patrick Harvie (GreenLeft), Jill Evans (Plaid Cymru), Zac Goldsmith (It's OUR Country), Peter Hitchens (Unionist)
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What are you complaining about? You got Bob Mellish, Peter Hitchens and Theresa May.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
I'm going to dig through Macmillan's bio later and see if I can find any vaguely homoerotic mentioning of Sinclair.
Mumby - The Lincolnshire Poacher
I'm not even sure if this is the right place to put this
1919: (Rural and Independent minorities)
1922: (Rural minorities)
1925: (Rural minorities)
1928: (Socialist Labour and Rural minorities)
1931: (Workers of Lincolnshire majorities)
All-Lincolnshire Industrial Congressional elections
1929: (National Union of Agricultural and Allied Workers)
1931: (National Union of Agricultural and Allied Workers)
Basically, WW1 is fought to a stalemate which considering Russia, Austria and the Ottomans collapse, the Kaiserreich becomes a military dictatorship with the Kaiser on his throne but under house arrest and France enduring a civil war as radicalised soldiers try and overthrow the government and argue with one another about what the new France should be, Britain comes out fairly lightly. Lloyd George's Coalition Coupon only barely wins a majority, with the rise of new and radical forces like Labour, the National Party, and of course the Rural party who do particularly well in Lincolnshire. The traditional non-partisan county council elections in Lincolnshire's three counties deliver Rural minorities in all three counties, albeit ones which only persist because of the tolerance of substantial numbers of sympathetic independents.
They secure a stronger grip in 1922, and by 1925 the Lincolnshire Rural Party is beginning to explore a very different thread to the national party, namely Land Reform, Mutualism and Agrarian Trade Unionism. The General Strike happens on cue despite butterflies, and it's a lot worse. Lincolnshire's highly unionised agricultural labour force goes out on strike too and the Rural Party splits between those who support the strikers and those who don't. With Labour trying to stay above it all on a national level, the pro-strike Ruralists defect to the Scottish based Socialist Labour Party, Britain's branch of DeLeon's Socialist Labor Party.
The strike is brought to an end in 1927, but at the county council elections in 1928, Socialist Labour wins a minority and forms an alliance with their former comrades in the Rural Party. One of their first reforms, disputed by but eventually accepted by the minority Labour government in Westminster is the creation of the All-Lincolnshire Industrial Congress which established workplace democracy, and elections on the basis of occupation, alongside maintaining normal county council elections.
Shortly after the first industrial election, the Socialist Labour Party had a tremendous dispute between the national body and it's Lincolnshire branch over ideological nuance. The same went for the Rural Party, whose national party could no longer tolerate the 'Bolshevism' that had taken root in their Lincolnshire branch. Both Lincolnshire parties broke from their respective national party and merged into the Workers of Lincolnshire Party. At the 1931 election, they got the union vote out and won majorities in every county council.
THE LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER
Democracy in England's Syndicalist County
County Council elections in Kesteven, Lindsey and HollandDemocracy in England's Syndicalist County
1919: (Rural and Independent minorities)
1922: (Rural minorities)
1925: (Rural minorities)
1928: (Socialist Labour and Rural minorities)
1931: (Workers of Lincolnshire majorities)
All-Lincolnshire Industrial Congressional elections
1929: (National Union of Agricultural and Allied Workers)
1931: (National Union of Agricultural and Allied Workers)
Basically, WW1 is fought to a stalemate which considering Russia, Austria and the Ottomans collapse, the Kaiserreich becomes a military dictatorship with the Kaiser on his throne but under house arrest and France enduring a civil war as radicalised soldiers try and overthrow the government and argue with one another about what the new France should be, Britain comes out fairly lightly. Lloyd George's Coalition Coupon only barely wins a majority, with the rise of new and radical forces like Labour, the National Party, and of course the Rural party who do particularly well in Lincolnshire. The traditional non-partisan county council elections in Lincolnshire's three counties deliver Rural minorities in all three counties, albeit ones which only persist because of the tolerance of substantial numbers of sympathetic independents.
They secure a stronger grip in 1922, and by 1925 the Lincolnshire Rural Party is beginning to explore a very different thread to the national party, namely Land Reform, Mutualism and Agrarian Trade Unionism. The General Strike happens on cue despite butterflies, and it's a lot worse. Lincolnshire's highly unionised agricultural labour force goes out on strike too and the Rural Party splits between those who support the strikers and those who don't. With Labour trying to stay above it all on a national level, the pro-strike Ruralists defect to the Scottish based Socialist Labour Party, Britain's branch of DeLeon's Socialist Labor Party.
The strike is brought to an end in 1927, but at the county council elections in 1928, Socialist Labour wins a minority and forms an alliance with their former comrades in the Rural Party. One of their first reforms, disputed by but eventually accepted by the minority Labour government in Westminster is the creation of the All-Lincolnshire Industrial Congress which established workplace democracy, and elections on the basis of occupation, alongside maintaining normal county council elections.
Shortly after the first industrial election, the Socialist Labour Party had a tremendous dispute between the national body and it's Lincolnshire branch over ideological nuance. The same went for the Rural Party, whose national party could no longer tolerate the 'Bolshevism' that had taken root in their Lincolnshire branch. Both Lincolnshire parties broke from their respective national party and merged into the Workers of Lincolnshire Party. At the 1931 election, they got the union vote out and won majorities in every county council.
What are you complaining about? You got Bob Mellish, Peter Hitchens and Theresa May.
I did like the list, especially St. Peter being included. Tbf I'm not a big fan of Chairman May, I did like her push for grammar schools, but I'm still not really on board with supporting her.
Salem_Saberhagen - Blind Luck
BLIND LUCK
A timeline in which Argentine President Roberto M. Ortiz never goes blind from diabetes.
Democratic Normalization takes place during his Presidency and Argentina joins the Allies during WW2.
1943 coup never happens and thus Peronism never becomes a political movement.
Argentina takes part in the Marshall Plan selling grain to Europe and becomes a staunch US ally and G7 nation in the Post-war
A timeline in which Argentine President Roberto M. Ortiz never goes blind from diabetes.
Democratic Normalization takes place during his Presidency and Argentina joins the Allies during WW2.
1943 coup never happens and thus Peronism never becomes a political movement.
Argentina takes part in the Marshall Plan selling grain to Europe and becomes a staunch US ally and G7 nation in the Post-war
1938 – 1944 Roberto M. Ortiz (Concordancia: UCR-A + PSI + PDN) - Conservative
1940 – POD: Ortiz doesn’t go blind from diabetes and doesn’t quit the Presidency
1942 - Argentina enters WW2 on the Allied side
1944 – 1950 Jose P. Tamborini – Alfredo Palacios (UCR + PS) – Social Democrat War Coalition
1950 – 1956 Amadeo Sabattini – Alejandro Gallardo (UCR) – Social Democrat
1952 – Argentina sends troops to the Korean War as part of the UN Coalition
1956 – 1962 Luciano F. Molinas - Horacio R. Thedy (PDP) – Conservative
1962 – 1968 Arturo Illia – Miguel Ángel Závala Ortiz (UCR) – Social Democrat
1968 – 1974 Carlos Sylvestre Begnis - Adalbert Krieger Vasena (PDP) - Conservative
1974 – 1980 Martínez Raymonda - René Balestra (PDP) - Conservative
1980 – 1986 – Raúl Alfonsín – Víctor Hipólito Martínez (UCR) – Social Democrat
1986 – 1990 – Eduardo Angeloz – Juan Manuel Casella (UCR) – Social Liberal
1990 – 1996 –Alberto Natale - Carlos Caballero Martin (PDP) – Market Liberal
1991 – Argentina sends troops to the Gulf War as part of the UN Coalition
1996 - 2002 - Horacio Massaccesi - Federico Storani (UCR) – Market Liberal
2002 – 2008 – Ricardo López Murphy - Castor López – (UCR) – Market Liberal
2007 - Argentina is affected by the Global Financial Crisis
2008 – 2014 – Hermes Binner – Griselda Tessio (PS) – Social Liberal
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@Turquoise Blue I like the list overall, but I'm really not a fan of "National Whatever" - I personally would much rather you listed the various parties involved. I'm not really sure why the Christian Democrats split from the Unionists - it does look like an economic split? Maybe it's a social one, but then Fowler and Farron are hardly social Conservatives, and Howard is hardly a social liberal...
Economic split, yeah. Christian Democrats are One Nation people, really.
In which case it still doesn't make much sense - you'd have to be soaking wet to find Whitelaw too right wing...
Fair. I suppose the list is flimsy if you look at it too closely.
Heliogabalus - Powell/McCain run in '96 as Reform
1993-1997 Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic)
def 1992 George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican) and Ross Perot / Paul Tsongas (Independent)
1997-2005 Colin Powell / John McCain (Reform) [1]
def 1996 Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic) and Dick Cheney / Elizabeth Dole (Republican)
def 2000 Bill Frist / Connie Mack (Republican) and Paul Wellstone / Nancy Pelosi (Democratic)
2005-2007 Herman Cain / Fred Thompson (Republican) [2]
def 2004 John McCain / Joe Lieberman (Reform) and Jon Corzine / Jay Rockefeller (Democratic)
2007-2007 Fred Thompson / vacant (Republican) [3]
2007-2009 Fred Thompson / Lisa Murkowski (Republican)
2009-2017 Condoleezza Rice / Lincoln Chaffee (Reform) [4]
def 2008 Hillary Clinton / Chris Dodd (Democratic) and Fred Thompson / Lisa Murkowski (Republican)
def 2012 Joe Biden / Barack Obama (Democratic) and Richard Burr / Bobby Jindal (Republican)
2017-pres Zephyr Teachout / Steve Cohen (Democratic) [5]
def 2016 Rand Paul / Meg Whitman (Republican) and Jesse Ventura / Jim Webb (Reform)
[1]: As the Republican nomination whittled down two unpopular choices - Former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and paleoconservative columnist Pat Buchanan - Colin Powell reluctantly accepted the Reform Party nomination after party founders Ross Perot and Paul Tsongas refused to seek it. Powell's campaign was greatly helped by allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of Preseident Clinton that came out in early October.
[2]: Senator Herman Cain was the first president to be elected after the 2002 ratification of the Twenty-Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a resurrection of the previously proposed Bayh-Celler Amendment. A key factor in his election was dissatisfaction on the left with the both the Democratic and Reform nominees, leading many liberals to either stay home on election day or vote for minor party candidates like Jello Biafra and L. Neil Smith. In the runoff between Cain and McCain, turnout was unexpectedly low and Cain was able to use his outsider status and economic policies to win a narrow victory.
[3]: After a controversial term involving the invasion of Iraq, President Cain stepped down following substantial allegations of sexual misconduct.
[4]: In 2008, President Thompson managed to fend off a primary challenge by Representative Ron Paul, but knew that he was extremely vulnerable in the general election. With a slew of candidates in the Reform Party - from technocratic moderates like Jon Huntsman and Michael Bloomberg, to Rockefeller Republicans like Mitt Romney, to libertarians like Jesse Ventura and Gary Johnson, to "McCainite" neoconservatives like Joe Lieberman, to liberals like Howard Dean - a popular comprise candidate in the vein of President Powell was sought and found in the form of his former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, who was also reluctant to run at first, but ultimately decided to, for the good of the party and the country. President Thompson was pushed into third place and a runoff was held between a Rice and Senator Hillary Clinton, wife of the former president. Clinton, an Iraq dove, used Rice's interventionist policies against her, but was unable to win the election.
[5]: 2016 was the year of the outsiders. President Rice's domestic policies were relatively popular, but her foreign policy, which had kept troops in Iraq and intervened in Syria, was the subject of considerable controversy. Both the Democrats and Republicans nominated antiwar candidates - small-r reformist New York Governor Zephyr Teachout and small-l libertarian Kentucky Senator Rand Paul respectively - and even the Reform Party was not free of the antiestablishment attitude: Vice President Chaffee, promising a continuation of Rice's domestic policies and a more peaceful foreign policy lost in an upset to Minnesota Senator Jesse Ventura. In the end, Ventura came off as the craziest of them all and was left in third place, and Teachout won comfortably in the runoff. She becomes the first Democrat to hold the presidency in twenty years, and will hopefully govern better than the last two Democratic Presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, who were also elected as promising outsiders, but then came to be characterized as incompetent moderates and lost reelection.
def 1992 George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican) and Ross Perot / Paul Tsongas (Independent)
1997-2005 Colin Powell / John McCain (Reform) [1]
def 1996 Bill Clinton / Al Gore (Democratic) and Dick Cheney / Elizabeth Dole (Republican)
def 2000 Bill Frist / Connie Mack (Republican) and Paul Wellstone / Nancy Pelosi (Democratic)
2005-2007 Herman Cain / Fred Thompson (Republican) [2]
def 2004 John McCain / Joe Lieberman (Reform) and Jon Corzine / Jay Rockefeller (Democratic)
2007-2007 Fred Thompson / vacant (Republican) [3]
2007-2009 Fred Thompson / Lisa Murkowski (Republican)
2009-2017 Condoleezza Rice / Lincoln Chaffee (Reform) [4]
def 2008 Hillary Clinton / Chris Dodd (Democratic) and Fred Thompson / Lisa Murkowski (Republican)
def 2012 Joe Biden / Barack Obama (Democratic) and Richard Burr / Bobby Jindal (Republican)
2017-pres Zephyr Teachout / Steve Cohen (Democratic) [5]
def 2016 Rand Paul / Meg Whitman (Republican) and Jesse Ventura / Jim Webb (Reform)
[1]: As the Republican nomination whittled down two unpopular choices - Former Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and paleoconservative columnist Pat Buchanan - Colin Powell reluctantly accepted the Reform Party nomination after party founders Ross Perot and Paul Tsongas refused to seek it. Powell's campaign was greatly helped by allegations of sexual misconduct on the part of Preseident Clinton that came out in early October.
[2]: Senator Herman Cain was the first president to be elected after the 2002 ratification of the Twenty-Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution, a resurrection of the previously proposed Bayh-Celler Amendment. A key factor in his election was dissatisfaction on the left with the both the Democratic and Reform nominees, leading many liberals to either stay home on election day or vote for minor party candidates like Jello Biafra and L. Neil Smith. In the runoff between Cain and McCain, turnout was unexpectedly low and Cain was able to use his outsider status and economic policies to win a narrow victory.
[3]: After a controversial term involving the invasion of Iraq, President Cain stepped down following substantial allegations of sexual misconduct.
[4]: In 2008, President Thompson managed to fend off a primary challenge by Representative Ron Paul, but knew that he was extremely vulnerable in the general election. With a slew of candidates in the Reform Party - from technocratic moderates like Jon Huntsman and Michael Bloomberg, to Rockefeller Republicans like Mitt Romney, to libertarians like Jesse Ventura and Gary Johnson, to "McCainite" neoconservatives like Joe Lieberman, to liberals like Howard Dean - a popular comprise candidate in the vein of President Powell was sought and found in the form of his former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, who was also reluctant to run at first, but ultimately decided to, for the good of the party and the country. President Thompson was pushed into third place and a runoff was held between a Rice and Senator Hillary Clinton, wife of the former president. Clinton, an Iraq dove, used Rice's interventionist policies against her, but was unable to win the election.
[5]: 2016 was the year of the outsiders. President Rice's domestic policies were relatively popular, but her foreign policy, which had kept troops in Iraq and intervened in Syria, was the subject of considerable controversy. Both the Democrats and Republicans nominated antiwar candidates - small-r reformist New York Governor Zephyr Teachout and small-l libertarian Kentucky Senator Rand Paul respectively - and even the Reform Party was not free of the antiestablishment attitude: Vice President Chaffee, promising a continuation of Rice's domestic policies and a more peaceful foreign policy lost in an upset to Minnesota Senator Jesse Ventura. In the end, Ventura came off as the craziest of them all and was left in third place, and Teachout won comfortably in the runoff. She becomes the first Democrat to hold the presidency in twenty years, and will hopefully govern better than the last two Democratic Presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, who were also elected as promising outsiders, but then came to be characterized as incompetent moderates and lost reelection.
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