List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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loneranger - Let Them Destroy Each Other
Let Them Destroy Each Other

1940-1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt / Henry A. Wallace [1]
1944-1948: Thomas Dewey / John Bricker [2]
1948-1956: George Marshall / James Roosevelt [3]
1956-1964: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge [4]
1964-1972: John F. Kennedy / Henry M. Jackson [5]
1972-1980: Barry Goldwater / Donald Rumsfeld [6]


[1] Franklin Roosevelt was re-elected over growing tensions in Europe. Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland, and a year later betrayed and invaded each other. While France and Britain made noises of disapproval, neither nation acted out of fear of a return to the slaughter of the Great War. Roosevelt's term was marked by growing discontent from Democratic conservatives, but he was able to more deeply entrench the New Deal so that it would be harder to remove. He was narrowly able to negotiate a trade agreement with the Japanese, easing tensions between the two powers.
[2] Dewey was a popular candidate, easily defeating the divided Democratic field. He famously decided to keep America "out of European affairs". However as the aftermath of the Russo-German War began to be felt, the European economy crashed which then put a tremendous strain on the American economy, leading many to become afraid of a "Return to the Great Depression".
[3] George Marshall came into office as a direct result of these concerns with Dewey. He formed the NACO (North Atlantic Cooperation Organization) which tied military matters between Britain, France, and the United States (among others) and also loosely linked the group economically as Marshall invested in Western European-American relations. He also oversaw the completion of the American nuclear weapon program and the creation of the Interstate Highway System.
[4] Former Governor Richard Nixon came into office as the status quo in Europe changed, the world economy was going rough, leading to Germany to invade Western Europe. However it would become clear that Nazi Germany was basically a "hollow shell" from years of occupying former Soviet Russia. NACO forces made their way to Berlin quickly and while they oversaw the peace agreement, were not very much inclined to invest in the thoroughly crippled Central and Eastern Europe. Meanwhile Italy basically destroyed their economy and international reputation over multiple blunders in Africa (primarily Eastern Europe). Nixon also changed American-Asian policy from favoring Japan to favoring the growing power in China under President Mao Zedong (himself an acolyte of President Yat-sen).
[5] Kennedy continued to grow American power with the creation of the United Nations (initially an outgrowth of NACO), however he is largely blamed for the economic "malaise" of his administration and his poor handling of the economy and the civil rights movement, which after much violence was finally resolved by the Civil Rights Act of 1969 (after Kennedy campaigned on Law and Order, ironically).
[6] Goldwater tapped into discontent over American internationalism and also a perceived overgrowth of national government. He promised to reign in government spending and also focus on "America First". Ironically his detachment from international matters allowed China to gain power within the UN and place itself onto the main Council. This worked as the world largely turned against European colonialism and Africa began to be vacated by European settlers of various stripes.
 
Cevolian - THE RISE, FALL AND RISE AGAIN OF AMERICAN LIBERALISM
LIBERTY NOW HAS A PARTY
Or;
THE RISE, FALL AND RISE AGAIN OF AMERICAN LIBERALISM

1945-1945: Franklin Roosevelt/Wendell Wilke (National Union -- Democratic/Republican)

1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker (Republican)
1945-1948: Wendell Wilkie/none (Republican)
1948-1949: Wendell Wilkie/none (Liberal)
1949-1952: Robert Taft/Harold Stassen (Republican)

1948: Harry Truman/Cordell Hull (Democratic), Wendell Wilkie/Henry A. Wallace (Liberal)
1952-1953: Harold Stassen/none (Republican)
1953-1961: Harold Stassen/Richard Nixon (Republican)

1952: Adlai Stevenson/Harry F. Byrd (Democratic), Earl Warren/Paul Simon (Liberal)
1956: Stuart Symington/Robert F. Wagner (Liberal), Robert B. Meyner/Fielding L. Right (Democratic)

1961-1969: Nelson Rockefeller/Lyndon Johnson (Liberal)
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Prescott S. Bush (Republican), Harry F. Byrd/Curtis LeMay (Democratic)
1964: Prescott S. Bush/James L. Buckley (Republican), Harry F. Byrd/George Lincoln Rockwell (Democratic)

1969-1973: Barry Goldwater/Strom Thurmond (Republican/Democratic)
1968: Robert Kennedy/George Romney (Liberal), George Wallace/Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
1973-19---: Gerald Ford/John F. Kennedy (Liberal)
1972: Barry Goldwater/Strom Thurmond ("Faith, Flag and Freedom" Alliance -- Republican/Democratic), Richard Nixon/Jim Rhodes (Independent "Republican")
1976: Ronald Reagan/George Wallace (National Conservative), Spiro Agnew/Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)


ITTL Roosevelt offers Wilkie the Vice Presidency, which he accepts, and he then goes on to form his own "Liberal Party" and serve one term. Although his party is relegated to third place, the Democrats slowly come under the control of the Dixiecrat wing after losing a lot of liberal support in the North and as Northern and affluent Conservatives drift to the now very right-wing Republican Party. A poor campaign by Cabot Lodge and the bankrolling of the Rockefeller family means that Nelson becomes POTUS narrowly in 1961 and cements the Liberals' place as a major national party as the Democrats slide increasingly into irrelevance and as the ultra right of the Republicans begins to bicker with the rest. After a hung college in 1968 puts Goldwater together with the Dixiecrats they conspire to put together a new force on the American right, which culminates with a "National Conservatie" Party breaking off in the mid 1970s as the old Parties back sink into history...
 
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LIBERTY NOW HAS A PARTY
Or;
THE RISE, FALL AND RISE AGAIN OF AMERICAN LIBERALISM

1945-1945: Franklin Roosevelt/Wendell Wilke (National Union -- Democratic/Republican)

1944: Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker (Republican)
1945-1948: Wendell Wilkie/none (Republican)
1948-1949: Wendell Wilkie/none (Liberal)
1949-1953: Robert Taft/Harold Stassen (Republican)

1948: Harry Truman/Cordell Hull (Democratic), Wendell Wilkie/Henry A. Wallace (Liberal)
1953-1953: Harold Stassen/none (Republican)
1953-1961: Harold Stassen/Richard Nixon (Republican)

1952: Adlai Stevenson/Harry F. Byrd (Democratic), Earl Warren/Paul Simon (Liberal)
1956: Stuart Symington/Robert F. Wagner (Liberal), Robert B. Meyner/Fielding L. Right (Democratic)

1961-1969: Nelson Rockefeller/Lyndon Johnson (Liberal)
1960: Henry Cabot Lodge Jr./Prescott S. Bush (Republican), Harry F. Byrd/Curtis LeMay (Democratic)
1964: Prescott S. Bush/James L. Buckley (Republican), Harry F. Byrd/George Lincoln Rockwell (Democratic)

1969-1973: Barry Goldwater/Strom Thurmond (Republican/Democratic)
1968: Robert Kennedy/George Romney (Liberal), George Wallace/Strom Thurmond (Democratic)
1973-19---: Gerald Ford/John F. Kennedy (Liberal)
1972: Barry Goldwater/Strom Thurmond ("Faith, Flag and Freedom" Alliance -- Republican/Democratic), Richard Nixon/Jim Rhodes (Independent "Republican")
1976: Ronald Reagan/George Wallace (National Conservative), Spiro Agnew/Donald Rumsfeld (Republican)


ITTL Roosevelt offers Wilkie the Vice Presidency, which he accepts, and he then goes on to form his own "Liberal Party" and serve one term. Although his party is relegated to third place, the Democrats slowly come under the control of the Dixiecrat wing after losing a lot of liberal support in the North and as Northern and affluent Conservatives drift to the now very right-wing Republican Party. A poor campaign by Cabot Lodge and the bankrolling of the Rockefeller family means that Nelson becomes POTUS narrowly in 1961 and cements the Liberals' place as a major national party as the Democrats slide increasingly into irrelevance and as the ultra right of the Republicans begins to bicker with the rest. After a hung college in 1968 puts Goldwater together with the Dixiecrats they conspire to put together a new force on the American right, which culminates with a "National Conservatie" Party breaking off in the mid 1970s as the old Parties back sink into history...

Awesome as always!
 
BlackentheBorg - "I'll show the Roosevelts how to build a dynasty!"
"I'll show the Roosevelts how to build a dynasty!"

1961 – 1963: John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.
1964 – 1969: Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey
Barry Goldwater/William E. Miller
1969 – 1973: Robert F. Kennedy/George A. Smathers
Ronald Reagan/Charles H. Percy
1973 – 1976: Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney
[incumbents]
1976 – 1981: Sargent Shriver/Frank Church
[incumbents]
1981 – 1993: Alexander Onassis/Dan Quayle
[incumbents]
Gary Hart/Ernest Hollings

1993 – 1997: Ted Kennedy/Birch Bayah
Dan Quayle/Bob Dole
1997 – 2005: Anthony Kennedy/Jack Kemp
[incumbents]
Dick Gephardt/Bill Richardson
2005 – 2009: John N. Kennedy/Dick Cheney
Joseph P. Kennedy II/Al Gore
2009 – 2017: John F. Kennedy Jr./Paul Wellstone
[incumbents]
Robert F. Kennedy Jr./Mike Huckabee

2017 -: Arnold Schwarzenegger/Lindsey Graham
Caroline Kennedy/Tim Kaine
 
spookyscaryskeletons - McGoverning: A Case Study in Failure
McGoverning - A Case Study in Failure

1973-1977
: George S. McGovern / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic)
1972: Richard M. Nixon / Robert Finch (Republican), Lester G. Maddox / Thomas J. Anderson (American Independent)
1977-1981: James L. Buckley / George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1976: George S. McGovern / Gaylord Nelson (Democratic)
1980: Lloyd M. Bentsen / Dick Clark (Democratic), Ronald Dellums / Victor Navasky (Independent)

1981-1981: George H. W. Bush / vacant (Republican)
1981-1985: George H. W. Bush / Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
1985-1989: George H. W. Bush / Paul D. Laxalt (Republican)

1984: Peter F. Flaherty / Nelson Wolff (Democratic)
1989-1993: Jim Guy Tucker / Henry Cisneros (Democratic)
1988: Alan Simpson / Jack F. Kemp (Republican)

Chuck Colson goes ahead with the firebombing of the Brookings Institute (an actual plan). As he attempts to recover Pentagon Papers, he's spotted by the firefighters and detained. Pretty soon, the whole thing comes crashing down as the President is accused of conspiring to commit arson against a federal building. Quickly Nixon's approvals tank as McGovern racks up victory after victory in the primaries as the candidates attempt to 'out-Anti Nixon' each other. Quickly, the party reluctantly coalesces around McGovern as he selects Muskie as an olive branch towards the Hump and Labour. Nixon is dealt another blow with the 'busting' of Agnew, though privately he's glad to see the back of him. The failure in Vietnam and explosion of troubles in China towards the end of the campaign wrecks Nixon's credentials, and McGovern pulls out a clear victory in November. McGovern's term, however, is no clean sailing, as his humanitarian intervention in Cambodia is poorly received by anti-war activists and his welfare reforms confuse the public, failing to pass the senate. At least folks got some good government health insurance out of it.

In 1976, the Republicans field Jim Buckley at a brokered convention between Schweiker, Percy, and Reagan. He wins in a near enough landslide, promising to win Cambodia with honour and pledging to reduce the burgeoning deficit. He roll backs spending on social programs and leads an air offensive against Castro. Surprisingly enough, even the relatively conservative congress refuses to repeal McGoverncare, and each of Buckley's initiatives to promote private options only dent the program. He wins again in 1980 amid concerns about Iran on a frail 49% of the vote, as Ron Dellums splits from the Democrats. He's killed shortly into his second term by an RPG attack while visiting the dying shah, who is also dead as a result. Bush launches a War on Terror, upping troop involvement in Iran and extraditing radical clerics for trial. Re-election is somewhat secure as growth finally comes back. This evaporates as well, as a 'flash crash' leads to stumbles in the midterms and a winding down of troops in Iran at Congress' request. Hoping to finally move past the McGovern years, the Democrats nominate the 'clean slate' ticket of Senator Tucker and Governor Cisneros. They handily won against the dull Wyoming senator, who failed to inspire confidence in either himself or his running mate.
 
Asami - Hakkō Ichiu - Presidents of the United States (1912-1931)

Asami

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Hakkou Ichiu - Presidents of the United States (1912 - 1931)

1909 - 1913: William Howard Taft / James Sherman (Republican)
1908 def. William Jennings Bryan / John Kern (Democratic)
1913 - 1917: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912 def. William H. Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican), Hiram Johnson / Robert La Folette, Sr. (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs / Emir Seidel (Socialist)
1917 - 1921: William Borah / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1916 def. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921 - 1923: Theodore Roosevelt* / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1920 def. Carter Glass / William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1923: Henry Cabot Lodge* (Republican) / vacant
1923 - 19--: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles G. Dawes (Republican)

1924 def. William Gibbs McAdoo / Cordell Hull (Democratic), George W. Norris / Henry L. Stimson (Liberty/Anti-Japan)
1928 def. Cordell Hull / James Reed (Democratic)


* Died in office

If you want the pure context, you'll need to read my timelineeeeee :p
 
McGoverning - A Case Study in Failure

1973-1977
: George S. McGovern / Edmund S. Muskie (Democratic)
1972: Richard M. Nixon / Robert Finch (Republican), Lester G. Maddox / Thomas J. Anderson (American Independent)
1977-1981: James L. Buckley / George H. W. Bush (Republican)
1976: George S. McGovern / Gaylord Nelson (Democratic)
1980: Lloyd M. Bentsen / Dick Clark (Democratic), Ronald Dellums / Victor Navasky (Independent)

1981-1981: George H. W. Bush / vacant (Republican)
1981-1985: George H. W. Bush / Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
1985-1989: George H. W. Bush / Paul D. Laxalt (Republican)

1984: Peter F. Flaherty / Nelson Wolff (Democratic)
1989-1993: Jim Guy Tucker / Henry Cisneros (Democratic)
1988: Alan Simpson / Jack F. Kemp (Republican)

Chuck Colson goes ahead with the firebombing of the Brookings Institute (an actual plan). As he attempts to recover Pentagon Papers, he's spotted by the firefighters and detained. Pretty soon, the whole thing comes crashing down as the President is accused of conspiring to commit arson against a federal building. Quickly Nixon's approvals tank as McGovern racks up victory after victory in the primaries as the candidates attempt to 'out-Anti Nixon' each other. Quickly, the party reluctantly coalesces around McGovern as he selects Muskie as an olive branch towards the Hump and Labour. Nixon is dealt another blow with the 'busting' of Agnew, though privately he's glad to see the back of him. The failure in Vietnam and explosion of troubles in China towards the end of the campaign wrecks Nixon's credentials, and McGovern pulls out a clear victory in November. McGovern's term, however, is no clean sailing, as his humanitarian intervention in Cambodia is poorly received by anti-war activists and his welfare reforms confuse the public, failing to pass the senate. At least folks got some good government health insurance out of it.

In 1976, the Republicans field Jim Buckley at a brokered convention between Schweiker, Percy, and Reagan. He wins in a near enough landslide, promising to win Cambodia with honour and pledging to reduce the burgeoning deficit. He roll backs spending on social programs and leads an air offensive against Castro. Surprisingly enough, even the relatively conservative congress refuses to repeal McGoverncare, and each of Buckley's initiatives to promote private options only dent the program. He wins again in 1980 amid concerns about Iran on a frail 49% of the vote, as Ron Dellums splits from the Democrats. He's killed shortly into his second term by an RPG attack while visiting the dying shah, who is also dead as a result. Bush launches a War on Terror, upping troop involvement in Iran and extraditing radical clerics for trial. Re-election is somewhat secure as growth finally comes back. This evaporates as well, as a 'flash crash' leads to stumbles in the midterms and a winding down of troops in Iran at Congress' request. Hoping to finally move past the McGovern years, the Democrats nominate the 'clean slate' ticket of Senator Tucker and Governor Cisneros. They handily won against the dull Wyoming senator, who failed to inspire confidence in either himself or his running mate.

Nice, and one of the better pieces of writing McGovern in (bah-dah bah-bah-bah...) that I've seen. You should possibly run with that at more length once you've gotten the other Mr. Carter (better known by his stage name) to the White House. The Brookings firebombing makes a stark contrast with Watergate on so many levels, and goes straight to Colson from the start so you've eliminated about two rings of buffer between the event and Nixon. Because I just can't quit pedantry (there's a support group for that...) I'd say Bush bypasses Vander Jagt and goes straight for Laxalt from the get-go because Laxalt was Reagan's Congressional bestie and a leftover Establishment guy like Bush needs to kiss the New Right's ring when they've just had one of their great leaders shot down precipitating a hugely dangerous war. Total hipster points for Jim Guy Tucker. And Peter Flaherty. Are Cisneros' indiscretions going to go boom at some point, or is he helping to hold a fragile new Democratic coalition together?

ETA: I'm not sure on this because my source background is weak, but since James Buckley was even more rigidly Catholic than his brother, he may have had an untypical soft spot in his New Right armor for medical care for all people, a little flicker left of Holy Mother Church's charitable impulse cf. Matthew 25: most of it really (the later verses especially but pretty much the whole chapter.)
 
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Hakkou Ichiu - Presidents of the United States (1912 - 1931)

1909 - 1913: William Howard Taft / James Sherman (Republican)
1908 def. William Jennings Bryan / John Kern (Democratic)
1913 - 1917: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912 def. William H. Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican), Hiram Johnson / Robert La Folette, Sr. (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs / Emir Seidel (Socialist)
1917 - 1921: William Borah / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1916 def. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921 - 1923: Theodore Roosevelt* / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1920 def. Carter Glass / William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1923: Henry Cabot Lodge* (Republican) / vacant
1923 - 19--: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles G. Dawes (Republican)

1924 def. William Gibbs McAdoo / Cordell Hull (Democratic), George W. Norris / Henry L. Stimson (Liberty/Anti-Japan)
1928 def. Cordell Hull / James Reed (Democratic)


* Died in office

If you want the pure context, you'll need to read my timelineeeeee :p

Can we just decide this alternate color scheme bilk is out of control and go back to blue/red, please?
 
Oppo - On A Clear Day, You Can See The White House (A John DeLorean Presidency)
I'm thinking about doing a timeline based on this in the near future. Would anyone like to see it?
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1981-1989: Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush (Republican)
1980: Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale (Democrat), John Anderson/Pat Lucey (National Unity)
1984: Reubin Askew/Dianne Feinstein (Democrat)

1989-1997: John DeLorean/Chancy Croft (Democrat)
1988: George H.W. Bush/Guy Vander Jagt (Republican)
1992: Bill Clements/Clint Eastwood (Republican)

1997-2001: Chancy Croft/Branson La Follette (Democrat)
1996: Dick Armey/Dan Lungren (Republican)
2001-2005: William Scranton III/Gale Norton (Republican)
2000: Chancy Croft/Branson La Follette (Democrat)
2005-2009: Branson La Follette/Wayne Dowdy (Democrat)
2004: Ed Schafer/Gale Norton (Republican)
2009-2013: William Scranton III/Gordon Smith (Republican)
2008: Branson La Follette/Wayne Dowdy (Democrat)
2013-2021: Doug LaFollette/James Stavridis (Democrat)
2012: Gordon Smith/Jim Talent (Republican)
2016: Todd Staples/Dana Robachaer (Republican)
 
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shiftygiant

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Hakkou Ichiu - Presidents of the United States (1912 - 1931)

1909 - 1913: William Howard Taft / James Sherman (Republican)
1908 def. William Jennings Bryan / John Kern (Democratic)
1913 - 1917: Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1912 def. William H. Taft / Nicholas Butler (Republican), Hiram Johnson / Robert La Folette, Sr. (Progressive), Eugene V. Debs / Emir Seidel (Socialist)
1917 - 1921: William Borah / Charles W. Fairbanks (Republican)
1916 def. Woodrow Wilson / Thomas R. Marshall (Democratic)
1921 - 1923: Theodore Roosevelt* / Henry Cabot Lodge (Republican)
1920 def. Carter Glass / William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1923: Henry Cabot Lodge* (Republican) / vacant
1923 - 19--: Charles Evans Hughes / Charles G. Dawes (Republican)

1924 def. William Gibbs McAdoo / Cordell Hull (Democratic), George W. Norris / Henry L. Stimson (Liberty/Anti-Japan)
1928 def. Cordell Hull / James Reed (Democratic)


* Died in office

If you want the pure context, you'll need to read my timelineeeeee :p
>Orange
>Red

It actually took me a moment to notice Wilson because it all blurred together.
 
And the LaFolette's are back!

I think, between that and DeLorean and Chancy Croft, you get to have some kind of official "HIPSTER AF" decal on your TL, like the ones they have for vegan or kosher foods. Necromancing the LaFollette dynasty is just the kind of weirdness we all signed on for...

ETA: Like the title too, though you could also go with Where We're Going, We Don't Need Votes...
 
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