What Goes Up Must Come Down: A Third Reich Cold War TL

[Anarcho-Occultist]

President Jimmy Stewart??

My first thought as well. Though it’s a bit strange since Jimmy was fairly conservative IIRC. Though of course a reverse Reagan situation is possible.

 

[The Red]

My first thought as well. Though it’s a bit strange since Jimmy was fairly conservative IIRC. Though of course a reverse Reagan situation is possible.

Was he not more of a “Rockefeller” Republican? I might be misremembering but his post-war pacifism and other traits seemed to lend itself to that.

 

[GDIS Pathe]

Did the Polish Underground State survive the war?

 

[Bookmark1995]

so the nazis actually did the entire jews to madacasgar plan and just told them to grow a facist ideolgy instead of trying to kill them some other way (say starvation and overcrowding), thats seems abit out of charecter for them.

Yes, the Madagascar plan went through.

You missed something crucial.

VVK was founded in 1994 by Joel Zevtei.

I'm not going to go into detail about Madagascar now, but the Reich wouldn't be able to conceive of this in 1994.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Very interesting picture of a horrifying world in the Nazi parts. But I am glad that America has a successful Socialist Labor Party that has been in power.

My belief is that a great evil is often balanced with a great good. A LOT of terrible things are going to happen, but a lot of goods things will also come about. It won't be a fun 20th century for a lot of people but it certainly won't be a dystopia.

The idea of Ronald Reagan and Hunter S. Thompson working on the same news show together is mildly amusing.

Aside from that, you’ve got a promising start.

From Fear and Loathing in Greater Germany

"We were somewhere around Stettin on the Autobahn when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like 'I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive . . .' And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred sixty kilometers per hour. And a voice was screeching 'Heiliger Jesus! What are these Gottverdamnt animals!?'

"Then it was quiet again. Doktor Gonzo had taken off his shirt and was pouring beer on his chest . . ."

“The Circus-Circus is what the whole hep world would be doing Saturday night if the Nazis won the war. And then I remembered the Nazis did win the war. My attorney’s ether clearly wasn’t strong enough.”

That was pretty good.

But Hunter isn't going to be the same guy we know and-loathe. He IS going to be awesome (he is in the middle of Nazi Germany as it is undergoing major societal upheaval), but in a far, far different way. I mean, professional journalism doesn't allow for drug binges-at least openly.

Reagan, well, I am not going to spoil anything, but ITTL he'll be the most trusted man in America. And for good reason.

 

[The Red]

I mean, professional journalism doesn't allow for drug binges-at least openly.

It could be argued that Gonzo journalism requires drug binges but I guess the implication that is Gonzo doesn't happen ITTL or at least that Thompson isn't a part of it.

 

[Bookmark1995]

It could be argued that Gonzo journalism requires drug binges but I guess the implication that is Gonzo doesn't happen ITTL or at least that Thompson isn't a part of it.

In any case, NBC would not be eager to employ someone who writes while high. And trying to be high in the middle of the Reich is just plain stupid.

 

[President Earl Warren]

In any case, NBC would not be eager to employ someone who writes while high. And trying to be high in the middle of the Reich is just plain stupid.

So the Nazis are taking classes from
the dutrte/Mao text book on drug enforcement eh. Its absolutely hilarious considering that both Goreing and Hitler were perpetually higher than sattalites,will that little fact of history ever be revealed Ittl or will it be buried?

 

[Bookmark1995]

So the Nazis are taking classes from
the dutrte/Mao text book on drug enforcement eh. Its absolutely hilarious considering that both Goreing and Hitler were perpetually higher than sattalites,will that little fact of history ever be revealed Ittl or will it be buried?

No, its that you can't be high in a place where the secret police are watching you at every moment.

 

[President Earl Warren]

No, its that you can't be high in a place where the secret police are watching you at every moment.

So no killing druggies in the street and just sending them to Russia? Also I have to ask will Hitler's drug habits ever be revealed to the world?

 

[The Red]

And trying to be high in the middle of the Reich is just plain stupid.

Unless you're the Fuhrer of course, or one of the hundreds of thousands of Ostheer who were given amphetamines to increase their "will" but I digress...

 

[Bookmark1995]

Unless you're the Fuhrer of course, or one of the hundreds of thousands of Ostheer who were given amphetamines to increase their "will" but I digress...

So no killing druggies in the street and just sending them to Russia? Also I have to ask will Hitler's drug habits ever be revealed to the world?

Spoilers.

But a reporter watching his back would never do drugs on assignment.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Here is the beginning of the POD: although if you clench your eyes, you'll notice what it is.


Excerpt From Transcript of Final 24 [1] Season 1 Episode 4: Franklin Roosevelt

Airdate March 10, 2001

(shot of Franklin Roosevelt and Lewis Howe chatting in a hotel room. Franklin Roosevelt is seated in a wheelchair)

Narrator: Franklin Delano Roosevelt. American aristocrat, politician, and icon of recovery.

Historian Eric Foner: He was a man who could not only inspire hope, but come to embody it.

(Various pictures of Roosevelt)

Narrator: Elected in a landslide, he set out to embark on a mission to rescue America from its economic depression.

(Shot of a quietly disgruntled Giuseppe Zangara angrily loading his pistol and glaring at a campaign poster of FDR)

Narrator: But in the end, he would be cut down by one of the very victims of that depression. And what could have been a great political legacy...

(Cut to FDR giving a speech, standing up while being held by Anton Cermak and his cane. Zangara climbs onto a chair)

Narrator: Would be cut short.

(sound of a gunshot)

(Title shot of Final 24)


Wat Eff.us [1]-The Cybernet's [2] Greatest Site for Speculative History [3]

Discussion Dated March 10, 2015


WI: Franklin Roosevelt Was Not Assassinated.

King of Rochester said:

I think people have asked this question, like 50 times, but, what if FDR is assassinated? I'm sorry, I'm new to this site

Dutch Cruise said:

Oh God:

Cue "FDR is Jesus" memes.

Tsar Kiselyov I said:

Well, he could have potentially prevented World War II, he was a navy guy, so most definitely-

Dutch Cruise said:

I swear to god that is literally your hot fantasy! You think FDR would literally lead an amphibious invasion of Belgium, come roaring into Germany, and dropkicking Hitler AND Heydrich personally. And get free health care and civil rights.

Tsar Kiselyov I said:

I am Siberian, you know. That IS our orgasmic fantasy.

Jeanne D'Afrique said:

Well, that movie portrayed him as a good decent man, so it is possible he could have leveraged American power to at least put a damper on Hitler's mad ambitions. I mean, he was an aggressive navy man during the First World War. It is unlikely he would have remained silent as-

Dutch Cruise said:

Please don't tell me you get your FDR history from One Day In Chicago. It portrays Roosevelt as a real Bobby Joe [4]!

It glosses over his affairs, his own backroom dealings, and his-anyways, it is unlikely he could have somehow prevented everything from the surrender of Britain to the Shiganye [5]

Kibitzer said:

To be fair to Dutch, it is important to understand that, at the time, the American presidency was still very limited. Roosevelt couldn't just send troops to wherever he wanted. There was no AFN he could use to go around Congress to launch interventions.

Also, the isolationist wing of both parties in Congress was certainly very powerful. It is unlikely that he could have sent even ten dollars to England without Taft and (angry scoff) Nye getting into his shit. And too many powerful people were making money selling to the Nazis and Japanese, so yeah.

And, he still had to deal with the Jim Crow nasties, that were part of his coalition.

Ghost of Tainos said:

Remember the bulk of the war was fought in Russia. A lot of Americans distrusted socialism (hilarious to say today), and they thought Russians were pure evil (again, weird to say today). So, it is doubtful he would have sent aid to Stalin's Russia, which was smacked by a two-by-four.

Tsar Kiselyov I said:

Oh god. Are you one of those people who bought the "rotten structure historiography?!" That same BS those neo-Nazis put out, to make us Siberians look like savages who deserved to die?

Ghost of Tainos said:

Dios! I'm sorry.

Tsar Kiselyov I said:

It is OK. To be fare, Stalin himself was a rotten structure. And that war was too much to handle for his deranged, paranoid little mind.

King of Rochester said:

Wasn't he also sick with polio? Couldn't that have made him die sooner under the stresses of the presidency?

Jeanne D'Afrique said:

Well, he did have an incredible workout routine. I heard he had a pretty hot body, which he could use to hold himself up, and catch sharks.

He could have lived a pretty long time.

Tsar Kiselyov said:

Are we getting romantic toward a dead political figure? Oh Jeanne...

Jeanne D'Afrique said:

Us French take pride in not being prudes. I am not going to be afraid of loving love.

Wat Eff.UASR Member Profiles


King of Rochester

Real Name: Peter Joyce
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Straight
Nationality: American (of Irish descent)
Religion: Catholic (Non-practicing)
Location: Rochester, NY
Occupation: Store clerk
Political Affiliation: Liberty Party
Personality: Nice, naïve, a bit of doormat.
WatEff works: none
Likes: Chocolates, New York Pizza, American history.
Dislikes: Spitwads, bullies, Nazi apologists, isolation apologists

Dutch Cruise:

Real Name: Sugrim Meijer
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Bi
Nationality: Dutch (Half Indo/Half White Dutch descent)
Religion: Athiest
Location: Oranjestad, Aruba, Dutch Union
Occupation: Marina manager
Political Affiliation: PVD
Personality: Somewhat melancholic, depressed, gregarious
WatEff.us works: Orange Days: It depicts the Dutch building an empire in North America after refusing to sell New Amsterdam.
Likes: Reading, tanning at the beach, working out.
Dislikes: Laziness, spicy food, loud music

Tsar Kiselyov:

Real Name: Katsuya Dastanovich Aliyev
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Straight
Nationality: Siberian (of Kazakh/Japanese descent)
Religion: Non-practicing Islamic
Location: Hakodate, Hokkaido Oblast, Russian Republic (Siberia)
Occupation: Data Processor
Political Affiliation: Worker's Party
Personality: Arrogant, patriotic, somewhat indignant
WatEff.us works: The Miracle Behind the Urals: Siberia 1961 mass teleported to OTL 1941.
Likes: Russian comedy, vodka, skiing, ice-fishing along the Okhotsk, family
Dislikes: Broccoli, Stalin apologists, Wehrmacht apologists, warm-weather, neo-Nazis

Jeanne D'Afrique

Real Name: Francoise Banguli
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Sexuality: Bi
Nationality: French (of Teke descent)
Religion: Catholic
Location: Brazzaville, Republic of France
Occupation: Bank Teller
Political Affiliation: Socialist Party
Personality: Kind, generous, loving, sometimes passive-aggressive.
WatEff.us works: The Heart of Greatness: A contact with a European businessman helps central Africa modernize and compete with Europe by the 19th century.
Likes: Boyfriend, croissants, camembert, being thin and exercising, mwabe chicken, romantic comedies
Dislikes: Vichy apologism, colonial apologism, soda, fast food

Kibitzer

Real Name: Efram Goldstein
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Sexuality: Straight
Nationality: Malagasy (of Polish-Jewish descent)
Religion: Agnostic
Location: Maklyev [6], the Republic of Madagascar
Occupation: Accountant
Political Affiliation: Arbeter Bund (Worker's Federation)
Personality: Rational, calm, but occasionally flustered.
WatEff.us works: Shabbat in Mombasa: A world where a Jewish state was formed in Kenya after an African villager (supposedly) saved a Zionist official from a lion attack.
Likes: Passover Seder, Yiddish theatre, Congolese Beer
Dislikes: Nazi apologism, racism toward natives, fake kosher food.


Ghost of Tainos

Real Name: Miranda Rodriguez
Age: 19
Gender: Female
Sexuality: Lesbian
Nationality: Dominican (Republic)
Religion: Agnostic
Location: Santo Domingo
Occupation: Waitress
Political Affiliation: Independent.
Personality: Empathetic, emotional, caring.
WatEff.us works: Empire of Cortez. Cortez building his own empire after marrying into Montezuma's family.
Likes: Beaches, surfing, girlfriend, short skirts.
Dislikes: Racism toward Haitians, Trujillo apologists, sunburn, obnoxious Chinese tourists.

[1] ITTL Alternatehistory.com. A misspelling of the expression "what if".

[2] ITTL Name for the World Wide Web

[3] What people ITTL call alternate history.

[4] ITTL term for "Mary Sue".

[5] The ITTL term for the Holocaust. Russian for "burning".

[6] The ITTL name for the Madagascar city of Mahajanga, named after a Polish shtetl that no longer exists.

 

[stirlingdraka]

So it`s the MITHC POD alright. While the alternate AH.Com is very realistic I hope to see more it in future updates.

 

[Bookmark1995]

So it`s the MITHC POD alright. While the alternate AH.Com is very realistic I hope to see more it in future updates.

What does MITHC stand for?

I'm glad you liked the alternate AH.com. Yeah, there is going to be a lot more of it.

 

[stirlingdraka]

Oh sorry I thought you knew that the Man in the High Castle used the same POD of FDR being shot by Giuseppe Zangara.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Oh sorry I thought you knew that the Man in the High Castle used the same POD of FDR being shot by Giuseppe Zangara.

Oh. That's what that stood for? No, I've read the story, and know the POD.

 

[rjd1997]

Nice update.

Looking forward to seeing how Siberia getting control over Hokkaido happened.

 

[SomeFollowTheStars]

Wat Eff.us [1]-The Cybernet's [2] Greatest Site for Speculative History [3]

AH.com works: Empire of Cortez. Cortez building his own empire after marrying into Montezuma's family.

Is it WatEff.us or AH.com?

 

[Bookmark1995]

Is it WatEff.us or AH.com?

It is WatEff.us

Sorry. I'll make the correction.

Aside from my mistake, did you like the contribution?