What Goes Up Must Come Down: A Third Reich Cold War TL
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Interesting. Odd thing I noticed, the spoilers don't show up when I try to get to them. Reagan as this TL's Brokaw, nice.
The idea of Ronald Reagan and Hunter S. Thompson working on the same news show together is mildly amusing.
Aside from that, you’ve got a promising start.
Aside from that, you’ve got a promising start.
I think they straight up pulled a Maoist China in preventing their government from falling apart. However, I think this scenario has a huge opportunity in the way it has been structured as a late Cold War TL.
My guess would be Soviet remnant beyond the Ural Mountains having a tianaman square type incident, except that it leads to democracy rather than just economic reforms.
I’ll be watching this.
Window into Another World
Bookmark1995
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Here are series of ITTL "future" news stories that will give you hints about some events, as well to illustrate how...out there this world is going to be.
Varryors Van Kannan [1] Desecrate Statutes and Monuments of Recently Diseased Prime Minister Primo Levi Across Antananarivo
Der Morgn Velt-[2]English Edition
Yosef Glasser
March 10, 2012
When death of Former Premier Primo Levi was announced earlier this week, it was met with both domestic and international mourning. But for some, is has been a time of celebration and petty attacks.
Dozens of members of Varryors Van Kannan, also known as the VVK, have spent the last few days ahead of his burial vandalizing the various statues and memorials to the late Prime Minister. Some attacks have been downright childish, involving spray paint, usually with the words "schvartze [3] lover", on them, and putting women's garments on the statues. Others have been downright dangerous with some gangs attacking and destroying monuments with baseball bats and crowbars.
Rabbi Shmuel, Chief Rabbi of Antananarivo has issued a press statement denouncing the attacks.
"Primo Levi fought for a Madagascar where all men are treated equally. These shnuks [4], unable to comprehend that due to some kind of madness or trauma, have taken their frustrations out on his memory. I call on all members of our community to ignore the hateful memory and continue to preserve what Levi spent his life fighting for."
VVK was founded in 1994 by Joel Zevtei. Zevtei has been the part owner of a collectively owned farm whose members agreed to sell it to a group of Madagascar natives under the AFN-sponsored buy back program. Varyyors adheres to a staunch right-wing ideology, opposing black suffrage and civil rights. It is particularly notorious for its pseudo-religious and pseudo-historical claim that Cannan was actually located in Madagascar, not Palestine, and that native Malagasy people are in fact the descendants of the Canaanites.
"Like many hate groups, VVK attempts to justify itself with cherry-picked quotes from religious texts," remarks Francois Bizize, an investigator of Native Malagasy background. "They justify the crimes against the natives by claiming they were the will of Hashem to punish us for ignoring His word."
Dimitri Kaminski, Nazi Collaborator, Sentenced to Life in Prison By The ICTNR [5]
New York Times
April 15, 2009
Dimitri Kaminski, the infamous head of the Russian National Liberation Army, was sentenced to life imprisonment for 8 charges of crimes against humanity at the International Court in San Jose, Costa Rica.
Kaminski, from 1978-1991 he served as head of the Russian National Liberation Army, or RONA, the military arm of the collaborationist Holy Kingdom of Muscovy [6], was found guilty of numerous counts of ethnic cleansing, torture, forced labor, mass murder, and deliberate starvation. His is especially notorious for leading in the Lokot massacre of 1971, while serving as Burgomeister of the Lokot Province, in which 5,000 Russia civilians were killed in response to a food riot.
Kaminski was born on August 28, 1944 to Bronislav Kaminski, who was the first leader of the Russian National Liberation Army. The elder Kaminski set the tone for many Slavic collaborators, through open collaboration with Nazis and participation in the mass murder of civilians, execution of partisans, and employment of forced labor and brutal work quotas, and suppression of revolts in Western Europe. Kaminski served until 1978, when he was succeeded by his son Dimitri.
Dimitri served as the head of RONA until 1991, when the Russian Reconquista lead to the collapse of his unit as the Russian army plowed through Nazi-occupied Russia. Fearing execution at the hands of the Russian army, he went into hiding in Scandanavia. In 1994, the International Court issued a warrant for his arrest. In 2001, he was discovered by the Finnish government and deported to the ICT in San Jose in 2002. His trial first began in 2005.
Henryk Piludski, Polish Genocide Survivor and Author of "In the Lion's Maw," dead at the age of 95
Chicago Tribune
Matthew Rogers
April 15, 2018
Henryk Piludski, Polish Genocide survivor and author of the best-selling novel and survival tale In the Lions Maw, died in his home on the South Side. He was 95 years old.
The office of the Governor of Illinois has issued a statement declaring that the flag of the state will be lowered at half-mast next Tuesday, on the day his funeral is scheduled.
Piludski, being among the last few who remembered life in Pre-War Poland, became a celebrity when he arrived in the city in 1993.
Piludski was born on January 10, 1923 in Krakow, Poland. He was the son of Leopold Piludski, an upholsterer, and Marie. His childhood was relatively eventful, with numerous celebrations of friends and family. As his parents, (Leopold was a veteran of the Polish Soviet War), were ardent Polish patriots, he was exposed to Polish culture and language.
"Free from the Germans, I can once again remember my uncle on the violin, playing Chopin, "wrote Piludski. "In my time as a slave, I had to forget I even had a father." In his childhood, he worked part-time as a waiter for upper-class Polish people, and often entertained German guests as well. His work as a waiter for haughty upper-classes instilled in him an attitude of polite indifference, as well as a basic understanding of the German. Qualities that would save his life.
In 1939, his happy life came crashing down with the German invasion. Pliudski and his family were sent to German labor camps, maintaining roads and digging ditches on behalf of the Wehrmacht. He was separated from his family and forced to work digging ditches for the Wehrmacht, where he never saw them again
"Everyday, I endured hardship and beatings," Piludski wrote, "and I asked God at times, how could it get worse. I realized I never understood the true depths of human hatred."
In 1942, he was gang-pressed to serve at a party for high-ranking German officials. His professionalism, skill, understanding of German, allowed became the manservant of Hans Rockeling, a German SS officer. After the war, Rockeling was granted a 300 acre estate in Plugstadt, formally known as Zamosc. Piludski served the Rockeling estate for nearly 50 years, nearly the span of the Cold War, sparing him the fate of his countrymen at the height of the Holocaust, when the average life expectancy fell as low as 28.
In his service at the Rockeling estate, Piludski endured a mixture of condescension, threats, abuse, and tiny acts of kindness at the hands of Rockeling and his guests. His ability to tolerate elitism and abuse allowed him to endure treatment that would have driven saner men to revolt.
"One day, whenever a revolt took place, or the American pids, Herr Rockeling would through his beer mug at me. Whenever he heard good news of victory, he referred to me as a 'good Pole' and wish my fellow Untermenschen would willingly serve the Aryan race."
The Rockeling children and grandchildren, indoctrinated under the Nazi wing, also gave Piludski alternating degrees of kindness and cruelty.
"Only Elsa, among Herr Rockeling's descendants, would ever tell me thank you," he said. "Whenever I brought them their meals, they would simply say Heil Hitler, and scream dumb Pole if I ever brought them something he didn't like."
Piludski believes that he was merely a drone during this period, as he was forced to give up on emotions to deal with the abuse and the loss of his country. In almost every interaction with Herr Rockeling, no matter how nice sounding, was meant to remind of his place as a slave.
"That was the end goal of the Nazis. They wished to reduce man to robot. For the Nazi only desired control. Men like Rockeling desire domination."
After the collapse of the Nazi Reich, he was forced to into hiding as Hans' grandson, Gunther, tried to execute him. On December 10, 1991, while living in an abandoned warehouse, in a state of near-starvation, he was shaken by a language he he hadn't heard in years.
"I heard Polish, and I woke up and saw these soldiers hanging over me," Piludski said. "When I got up, they spoke to me in German. When they told me they represented the Polish Free Army [7], I cried for the first time since the war."
In 1993, Piludski immigrated to Chicago. As one of the few pre-war survivors of Poland, he was recruited by the Polish Government in-Exile and the University of Chicago to provide information about urban Polish life. His insights proved invaluable in the resurrection of Polish tradition.
In 1998, Piludski published his memoir, in The Lion's Maw, and received a Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, and in 2004, it was adapted to Broadway by acclaimed playwright Sidney Lumet, where it won four Tonys. Despite receiving millions in royalties, Piludski lived in a small bedroom on Chicago's South Side, with much of his royalties going toward the Polish reconstruction.
Ted Goose Exhibition to be Held in High Museum of Art, May 15-20!
Ted Goose (then writing under the name Dr. Seuss) famous cartoon deriding imperialism, dated to April 10, 1941
Atlanta Constitution
Frank Washington
May 10, 2015
From May 15-May 20, the High Museum of Art will be hosting an art exhibition of the famous American cartoonist and satirist Theodore Geisel, best known as Ted Goose.
The exhibition will be divided into three parts.
The first part covers Geisel's earlier career as a budding children's novelist, with samples of his earlier work, when he began using the pen-name Dr. Seuss. The next one it covers his work at AM Magazine in 1940-1942, when he began his first foray into sharp political satire [8]. It was in this work that he became the voice of a generation of Americans that saw their government ignore domestic problems, and stood by as Europe and Asia were decimated by the Nazi and Japanese horde. Much of his work was bitter criticism of America's head-in-the-sand isolationism. The final part covers Geisel's change of alias to Ted Goose in 1944, his shift from children's carton to mature satire, and his 45 years at GC Comics with William Gaines, where his most famous ladybug characters, the dimwitted Bug and and irascible Lug, became icons of American comic history with their irreverent and merciless depictions of American life.
Tickets retailing at $10.95 per adult, $7.35 for seniors/children . RSVP at High.US or call 404-733-4400
Transcript of Decision '80, November 8, 1980
Dan Rather: ...Even though we are very early into the election, we can already protect that West Virginia will go Socialist Labor, as it has done for the last nine elections. We can already call its six electoral votes for President Stewart [9]. We can also call the gubernatorial race to incumbent governor Ken Hechler. Ken Hechler, first elected to the governorship in 1968, will be re-elected to a fourth term as governor. His previous re-election, in 1976, was the toughest election he had to face, because of his embrace of the Green Earth movement, which was anathema in the heavy industry, coal state. His rapid re-election has shown that most West Virginians have come to endorse his mandate, and have decided that green is good after all. Mississippi is too close to call...
[1] Yiddish for "Warriors of Canaan".
[2] Yiddish for "The Morning World".
[3] Yiddish slur for black people.
[4] Yiddish for jerk.
[5] International Criminal Tribunal For the Former Nazi Reich.
[6] Long story.
[7] Also a long story.
[8] Yes, OTL Dr. Seuss made political cartoons. There is a whole book about it called Dr. Seuss Goes to War. His ITTL career reflects the social and political path of the ITTL US.
[9]Someone very...famous OTL who has followed a very different path.
Varryors Van Kannan [1] Desecrate Statutes and Monuments of Recently Diseased Prime Minister Primo Levi Across Antananarivo
Der Morgn Velt-[2]English Edition
Yosef Glasser
March 10, 2012
When death of Former Premier Primo Levi was announced earlier this week, it was met with both domestic and international mourning. But for some, is has been a time of celebration and petty attacks.
Dozens of members of Varryors Van Kannan, also known as the VVK, have spent the last few days ahead of his burial vandalizing the various statues and memorials to the late Prime Minister. Some attacks have been downright childish, involving spray paint, usually with the words "schvartze [3] lover", on them, and putting women's garments on the statues. Others have been downright dangerous with some gangs attacking and destroying monuments with baseball bats and crowbars.
Rabbi Shmuel, Chief Rabbi of Antananarivo has issued a press statement denouncing the attacks.
"Primo Levi fought for a Madagascar where all men are treated equally. These shnuks [4], unable to comprehend that due to some kind of madness or trauma, have taken their frustrations out on his memory. I call on all members of our community to ignore the hateful memory and continue to preserve what Levi spent his life fighting for."
VVK was founded in 1994 by Joel Zevtei. Zevtei has been the part owner of a collectively owned farm whose members agreed to sell it to a group of Madagascar natives under the AFN-sponsored buy back program. Varyyors adheres to a staunch right-wing ideology, opposing black suffrage and civil rights. It is particularly notorious for its pseudo-religious and pseudo-historical claim that Cannan was actually located in Madagascar, not Palestine, and that native Malagasy people are in fact the descendants of the Canaanites.
"Like many hate groups, VVK attempts to justify itself with cherry-picked quotes from religious texts," remarks Francois Bizize, an investigator of Native Malagasy background. "They justify the crimes against the natives by claiming they were the will of Hashem to punish us for ignoring His word."
Dimitri Kaminski, Nazi Collaborator, Sentenced to Life in Prison By The ICTNR [5]
New York Times
April 15, 2009
Dimitri Kaminski, the infamous head of the Russian National Liberation Army, was sentenced to life imprisonment for 8 charges of crimes against humanity at the International Court in San Jose, Costa Rica.
Kaminski, from 1978-1991 he served as head of the Russian National Liberation Army, or RONA, the military arm of the collaborationist Holy Kingdom of Muscovy [6], was found guilty of numerous counts of ethnic cleansing, torture, forced labor, mass murder, and deliberate starvation. His is especially notorious for leading in the Lokot massacre of 1971, while serving as Burgomeister of the Lokot Province, in which 5,000 Russia civilians were killed in response to a food riot.
Kaminski was born on August 28, 1944 to Bronislav Kaminski, who was the first leader of the Russian National Liberation Army. The elder Kaminski set the tone for many Slavic collaborators, through open collaboration with Nazis and participation in the mass murder of civilians, execution of partisans, and employment of forced labor and brutal work quotas, and suppression of revolts in Western Europe. Kaminski served until 1978, when he was succeeded by his son Dimitri.
Dimitri served as the head of RONA until 1991, when the Russian Reconquista lead to the collapse of his unit as the Russian army plowed through Nazi-occupied Russia. Fearing execution at the hands of the Russian army, he went into hiding in Scandanavia. In 1994, the International Court issued a warrant for his arrest. In 2001, he was discovered by the Finnish government and deported to the ICT in San Jose in 2002. His trial first began in 2005.
Henryk Piludski, Polish Genocide Survivor and Author of "In the Lion's Maw," dead at the age of 95
Chicago Tribune
Matthew Rogers
April 15, 2018
Henryk Piludski, Polish Genocide survivor and author of the best-selling novel and survival tale In the Lions Maw, died in his home on the South Side. He was 95 years old.
The office of the Governor of Illinois has issued a statement declaring that the flag of the state will be lowered at half-mast next Tuesday, on the day his funeral is scheduled.
Piludski, being among the last few who remembered life in Pre-War Poland, became a celebrity when he arrived in the city in 1993.
Piludski was born on January 10, 1923 in Krakow, Poland. He was the son of Leopold Piludski, an upholsterer, and Marie. His childhood was relatively eventful, with numerous celebrations of friends and family. As his parents, (Leopold was a veteran of the Polish Soviet War), were ardent Polish patriots, he was exposed to Polish culture and language.
"Free from the Germans, I can once again remember my uncle on the violin, playing Chopin, "wrote Piludski. "In my time as a slave, I had to forget I even had a father." In his childhood, he worked part-time as a waiter for upper-class Polish people, and often entertained German guests as well. His work as a waiter for haughty upper-classes instilled in him an attitude of polite indifference, as well as a basic understanding of the German. Qualities that would save his life.
In 1939, his happy life came crashing down with the German invasion. Pliudski and his family were sent to German labor camps, maintaining roads and digging ditches on behalf of the Wehrmacht. He was separated from his family and forced to work digging ditches for the Wehrmacht, where he never saw them again
"Everyday, I endured hardship and beatings," Piludski wrote, "and I asked God at times, how could it get worse. I realized I never understood the true depths of human hatred."
In 1942, he was gang-pressed to serve at a party for high-ranking German officials. His professionalism, skill, understanding of German, allowed became the manservant of Hans Rockeling, a German SS officer. After the war, Rockeling was granted a 300 acre estate in Plugstadt, formally known as Zamosc. Piludski served the Rockeling estate for nearly 50 years, nearly the span of the Cold War, sparing him the fate of his countrymen at the height of the Holocaust, when the average life expectancy fell as low as 28.
In his service at the Rockeling estate, Piludski endured a mixture of condescension, threats, abuse, and tiny acts of kindness at the hands of Rockeling and his guests. His ability to tolerate elitism and abuse allowed him to endure treatment that would have driven saner men to revolt.
"One day, whenever a revolt took place, or the American pids, Herr Rockeling would through his beer mug at me. Whenever he heard good news of victory, he referred to me as a 'good Pole' and wish my fellow Untermenschen would willingly serve the Aryan race."
The Rockeling children and grandchildren, indoctrinated under the Nazi wing, also gave Piludski alternating degrees of kindness and cruelty.
"Only Elsa, among Herr Rockeling's descendants, would ever tell me thank you," he said. "Whenever I brought them their meals, they would simply say Heil Hitler, and scream dumb Pole if I ever brought them something he didn't like."
Piludski believes that he was merely a drone during this period, as he was forced to give up on emotions to deal with the abuse and the loss of his country. In almost every interaction with Herr Rockeling, no matter how nice sounding, was meant to remind of his place as a slave.
"That was the end goal of the Nazis. They wished to reduce man to robot. For the Nazi only desired control. Men like Rockeling desire domination."
After the collapse of the Nazi Reich, he was forced to into hiding as Hans' grandson, Gunther, tried to execute him. On December 10, 1991, while living in an abandoned warehouse, in a state of near-starvation, he was shaken by a language he he hadn't heard in years.
"I heard Polish, and I woke up and saw these soldiers hanging over me," Piludski said. "When I got up, they spoke to me in German. When they told me they represented the Polish Free Army [7], I cried for the first time since the war."
In 1993, Piludski immigrated to Chicago. As one of the few pre-war survivors of Poland, he was recruited by the Polish Government in-Exile and the University of Chicago to provide information about urban Polish life. His insights proved invaluable in the resurrection of Polish tradition.
In 1998, Piludski published his memoir, in The Lion's Maw, and received a Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, and in 2004, it was adapted to Broadway by acclaimed playwright Sidney Lumet, where it won four Tonys. Despite receiving millions in royalties, Piludski lived in a small bedroom on Chicago's South Side, with much of his royalties going toward the Polish reconstruction.
Ted Goose Exhibition to be Held in High Museum of Art, May 15-20!
Ted Goose (then writing under the name Dr. Seuss) famous cartoon deriding imperialism, dated to April 10, 1941
Atlanta Constitution
Frank Washington
May 10, 2015
From May 15-May 20, the High Museum of Art will be hosting an art exhibition of the famous American cartoonist and satirist Theodore Geisel, best known as Ted Goose.
The exhibition will be divided into three parts.
The first part covers Geisel's earlier career as a budding children's novelist, with samples of his earlier work, when he began using the pen-name Dr. Seuss. The next one it covers his work at AM Magazine in 1940-1942, when he began his first foray into sharp political satire [8]. It was in this work that he became the voice of a generation of Americans that saw their government ignore domestic problems, and stood by as Europe and Asia were decimated by the Nazi and Japanese horde. Much of his work was bitter criticism of America's head-in-the-sand isolationism. The final part covers Geisel's change of alias to Ted Goose in 1944, his shift from children's carton to mature satire, and his 45 years at GC Comics with William Gaines, where his most famous ladybug characters, the dimwitted Bug and and irascible Lug, became icons of American comic history with their irreverent and merciless depictions of American life.
Tickets retailing at $10.95 per adult, $7.35 for seniors/children . RSVP at High.US or call 404-733-4400
Transcript of Decision '80, November 8, 1980
Dan Rather: ...Even though we are very early into the election, we can already protect that West Virginia will go Socialist Labor, as it has done for the last nine elections. We can already call its six electoral votes for President Stewart [9]. We can also call the gubernatorial race to incumbent governor Ken Hechler. Ken Hechler, first elected to the governorship in 1968, will be re-elected to a fourth term as governor. His previous re-election, in 1976, was the toughest election he had to face, because of his embrace of the Green Earth movement, which was anathema in the heavy industry, coal state. His rapid re-election has shown that most West Virginians have come to endorse his mandate, and have decided that green is good after all. Mississippi is too close to call...
[1] Yiddish for "Warriors of Canaan".
[2] Yiddish for "The Morning World".
[3] Yiddish slur for black people.
[4] Yiddish for jerk.
[5] International Criminal Tribunal For the Former Nazi Reich.
[6] Long story.
[7] Also a long story.
[8] Yes, OTL Dr. Seuss made political cartoons. There is a whole book about it called Dr. Seuss Goes to War. His ITTL career reflects the social and political path of the ITTL US.
[9]Someone very...famous OTL who has followed a very different path.
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I’m intrigued as to how we got to a point where a socialist party is now a major one. I’m guessing there were some deviations during the Great Depression?
so the nazis actually did the entire jews to madacasgar plan and just told them to grow a facist ideolgy instead of trying to kill them some other way (say starvation and overcrowding), thats seems abit out of charecter for them.
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I had been aware that Dr Seuss had done political cartoons, most infamously the “Honourable Fifth Column” of Japanese-Americans (depicted as the usual racist stereotypes of the time) lining up to receive explosives with which to commit acts of sabotage. I hadn’t seen the America First cartoon before, although I guess it’s somewhat comforting that he was almost as visceral towards isolationists as he was against a community that was near unanimously pro-American and whose troops fought heroically against fascism.
If the reference to the “last nine elections” applies exclusively to Presidential elections then there’s been a socialist ticket winning states ever since 1940. That would imply a PoD that goes a bit further back than most Axis victory scenarios.
If the reference to the “last nine elections” applies exclusively to Presidential elections then there’s been a socialist ticket winning states ever since 1940. That would imply a PoD that goes a bit further back than most Axis victory scenarios.
From Fear and Loathing in Greater Germany
"We were somewhere around Stettin on the Autobahn when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like 'I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive . . .' And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred sixty kilometers per hour. And a voice was screeching 'Heiliger Jesus! What are these Gottverdamnt animals!?'
"Then it was quiet again. Doktor Gonzo had taken off his shirt and was pouring beer on his chest . . ."
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stirlingdraka
Donor
Very interesting picture of a horrifying world in the Nazi parts. But I am glad that America has a successful Socialist Labor Party that has been in power.
“The Circus-Circus is what the whole hep world would be doing Saturday night if the Nazis won the war. And then I remembered the Nazis did win the war. My attorney’s ether clearly wasn’t strong enough.”