Delaware shouldn't need to worry too too much, but wilmington needs to become a troop hub ASAP so the Delmarva penninsula is protected from invasion.
Until Every Drop of Blood Is Paid: A More Radical American Civil War
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I wonder what the Confederate flag should look like ITTL, it could easily still be the stars and bars but they only kept it at first because people wanted some semblance of the nation they seceded from but ITTL they might not want to have a flag so closely related to the flag made by that yank Betsy Ross.
Sorry for the delay!
Confederates are going to learn that lesson the hard way.
Yes. While in OTL the Kentucky and Missouri Confederate governments had no real power and were in-exile for most of the war, here they are true contenders for every state. And that's a possibility.
Chestnut is the master vampire behind the war, of course.
Also, the Confederacy needs all the troops it can get to establish control over Baltimore and create a line of defense.
Defending Wilmington is of the utmost importance. It will probably be one of the Union's supply bases.
Perhaps the Battle flag or something similar is adopted here.
Tbh i always thought the stars and bars looked better than the battle flag, though admittedly it was similar enough to be mistaken for old glory on the battlefield. Maybe some variation on the bonnie blue flag?
Speaking of flags, can i make a request? Idk how it went for other states that chose the seal/coat of arms+blue field design, but i know that Wisconsin's was based on the regimental flags used in the war(and it only got worse from there). Maybe that crime against vexillology can be prevented
An ancestor from the Swiss French Border area apparently registered for the draft but wasn't drafted 1863. He lives in Ohio. While I don't know if he would volunteer yet, since he didn't serve in OTL, perhaps after he is married in '62 night consider it in this one.
This will be a mess. But, the slaveocracy will be totally destroyed now.
This will be a mess. But, the slaveocracy will be totally destroyed now.
Great last chapter! I've always disliked Beriah Magoffin (and liked him even less the more I researched him for my TL) and his actions here are even worse than OTL!
I think though, you might want to make it sound like Polk invaded at the invitation of Magoffin, reads a little close to OTL.
But the changes in Kansas and Missouri are fantastic! Looking forward to what goes down in Delaware!
I think though, you might want to make it sound like Polk invaded at the invitation of Magoffin, reads a little close to OTL.
But the changes in Kansas and Missouri are fantastic! Looking forward to what goes down in Delaware!
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Im getting second hand embarrassment from all these quotes, which all seem to be real in some form. “The people of this Commonwealth are freemen, not slaves, and will defend to the last extremity their honor, lives, and property, against Northern mendacity and usurpation.” Seriously? Not even Orwell could come up with this sh*t. Reading contemporary statements from the Civil War is crazy, one minute its all about abstract "We are fighting for our God Given Rights against a tyranical goverment, liberty shall not perish on these states" and the other is literally "This is a White Supremacist Revolution, Blacks are not Human Beigns"
I'd like to see a map of the initial control so far.
How is West Virginia? Is it still the hotbed of anti-secessionist sentiment? Plus I can definitely see East Tennessee being formed ITTL.
RIP the Democratic Party. It will be interesting to see how the party coalitions fare with the GOP vs. National Union. I'm thinking that we could see a whole new political map develop.
How is West Virginia? Is it still the hotbed of anti-secessionist sentiment? Plus I can definitely see East Tennessee being formed ITTL.
RIP the Democratic Party. It will be interesting to see how the party coalitions fare with the GOP vs. National Union. I'm thinking that we could see a whole new political map develop.
It all makes sense because when they talk about their "god-given rights", all they mean is "our god-given rights to own slaves". It really was all about slavery for the South, and all the "rights" mentioned were just attempts to sound more noble. The South was fighting for slavery, nothing more, but OTL they tried to hide that- after losing the war - with their filthy lies about "states right".
Not especially shocking, given what the CSA stood for.
It's almost like they were traitors who started the bloodiest war in North American history in order to continue the undeniably evil practice of chattel slavery.
Next you'll say that people hate Nazis.
There's a difference between hating the Southern rebel government and the ideals it rested upon and hating the South as a geographic region. This threads anger is directed distinctly to the former. Literally one of the worst ideas in history.
Thanks!
I also like the stars and bars better. The Bonnie Blue is too simple. Also, I'd like to use OTL ilustrations, and most of them show the stars and bars or the battle flag prominently, and unfortunately, I don't have the photoshop skills to change them.
Yeah! Request are always welcome, and the US state flags really frustrate me. I may be able to come up with a design, but if anyone wants to give it a shot they're welcome!
The draft OTL served more as the government's big stick, like "volunteer or else..." A worse war may force the government to install a more through draft. While in OTL of 776,000 men drafted only about 76,000 actually went into the army, this time the rate may be higher. Your ancestor may be drafted then if he doesn't volunteer.
You are right, I should make it clear that Breckinridge told Polk to never ever invade Kentucky but Polk went in anyway after Magoffin invited him in.
Liberating East Tennessee was historically one of Lincoln's most cherished war goals. We will see a concentrated effort here.
McPherson's insight is again very useful. He confesses that he remained skeptical about such statements, but men wrote things like that in private letters to loved ones, not meant to be seen by anyone else. They actually and firmly believed in what they said. And that includes Southerners for whom freedom actually was slavery. Some actually said things like "democratic liberty exists solely because we have black slaves," that slavery "promotes equality among the free" and "freedom is not possible without slavery." These are all real quotes. For them, Black people were not human beings. When they talked of liberty and rights it was understood by everyone that you meant liberty and rights for white people. In their eyes, there was no other people, just the property those Yankees were trying to steal.
I've refrained from making another map because I haven't explained events around Maryland yet. And yes, West Virginia is strongly pro-Union. They are even angrier ITTL because post-John Brown, Richmond gerrymandered them practically out of existence, and because Virginia seceded before any coercion had been made and then went on to start the war.
Thank you very much!
Probably as popular as the Nazis are in current-day Israel and Germany, if the bastards even come into existence in this TL, that is.
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Will you continue the ATL into the future long after the Civil War?