Passing through on this thread. I would dearly love to know what Turtledove would make of these ideas expressed here
Yes ans if he is please input Mr Turtledove!Well, we would all sincerely hope he's reading and listening!
Yes ans if he is please input Mr Turtledove!
Some have speculated that Mr Turtledove is a member here but prefers to remain incognito.Yes ans if he is please input Mr Turtledove!
Yeah more than likely.I wouldnt be shocked. Its probably the largest collection of his audience anywhere
Found this online and both seem to be pretty solid contenders for Confederate uniforms.
Found the source: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/cemzf4/art_my_settings_version_of_the_usa/
The Confederate uniform is okay (without the kepi hat). It's the uniform of the Army of the Union that I don't like. Too boring for me.
I dont know about the comment about the Kepi, bearing in mind that the south won the civil war then retaining the head cover makes erfect senseFound the source: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/cemzf4/art_my_settings_version_of_the_usa/
The Confederate uniform is okay (without the kepi hat). It's the uniform of the Army of the Union that I don't like. Too boring for me.
I have actually been mulling over this recently. One of the main issues I find with the Freedom Party from a literary standpoint is that they aren't nearly as compelling villains as the Nazis. Their Southern Fried Fascism is more boring by comparison, mainly because Jake the Snake is sort of like a record player with a fixed record. He has a few tunes he plays, and thats it. The CSA has cool weapons, and some cool outfits (adding a bit of cowboy and Waffen-SS to the WWII American look). But they signally lack the deeper Romantic Nationalist ideology that makes Nazi iconography and ideology so interesting as antagonists. The Nazis had an institutional attachment to Germanic pagan symbology, but the Freedom Party is far more pragmatic. Like Communists without the communism.
In the book, the imagery evoked is, from what i gathered, SS uniforms in CSA gray. Rhode Island State Police uniforms seem to fit the imagery better:The cut yes however I pictured the camp guards in a dark brown for some reason
Found the source: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldbuilding/comments/cemzf4/art_my_settings_version_of_the_usa/
The Confederate uniform is okay (without the kepi hat). It's the uniform of the Army of the Union that I don't like. Too boring for me.
That's pretty good but Turtledove had the US invent the stalhelm before the Germans did so it was the Germans in TL-191 who copied the Americans not the other way around as far as the helmet went.I agree. I always pictured the US wearing Americanized versions of German uniforms, as the WWII pattern from real life dates from...well, WWII .
a good approximation i've found is Bundeswehr uniforms from the 1950's:
Does that matter all that much?That's pretty good but Turtledove had the US invent the stalhelm before the Germans did so it was the Germans in TL-191 who copied the Americans not the other way around as far as the helmet went.
That's pretty good but Turtledove had the US invent the stalhelm before the Germans did so it was the Germans in TL-191 who copied the Americans not the other way around as far as the helmet went.
Ah I see, never mind.I was more referring to the cut of the Uniforms. I elaborate a bit in the US counterpart to this forum page.